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The SmarK RAW Rant–06.17.13

The SmarK RAW Rant – 06.17.13

Live from Grand Rapids, MI

Your hosts are Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler & JBL

Alberto Del Rio starts us out, thankfully no longer playing the smiling babyface in anything but the most ironic way. He’s pretty upset that people cheered for Ziggler attacking an injured man to win the title in Jersey, but booed him for doing the same. Also, USA is not OK and Ziggler is a pig and a coward, JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU. Well, I’d say he’s a heel. This brings out CM Punk, who is a heel getting bigger babyface reactions than most of the babyfaces. Punk (still with Heyman) is once again offended at someone calling themselves the “best in the world”. Heyman doesn’t feel that Punk fighting for free is a good idea, but Punk blows him off and Vickie comes out to make it the main event. That felt pretty flat after Punk’s entrance blew the roof off.

Meanwhile, Punk breaks up with Heyman, but hopes they can be friends.

Intercontinental title: Curtis Axel v. Wade Barrett

Doesn’t happen, as Vickie changes it to…

Wade Barrett v. Christian

I guess it’s a phantom face turn for Christian. Christian tosses him and follows with a crazy dive off the top. Back in, Barrett catches him in the corner and wisely pounds on the injured shoulder, for two. Christian comes back with a missile dropkick and tornado DDT for two. Barrett boots him down for two, but misses a charge, allowing Christian to finish with the Killswitch at 3:05. Poor Wade got kind of screwed over there. ** Good return for Christian.

The Rhodes Scholars v. Sheamus

The heels wisely go after Sheamus, but he clubs them down until Rhodes hits the disaster kick. ELBOW OF DISDAIN gets two, and the heels slap him around until he gets his Irish up. So to speak. Rhodes gets dumped as Sheamus makes the comeback and beats on both guys. White Noise for Cody, but Sandow sneaks back in and rolls him up off the Brogue Kick for the pin at 3:30. Sheamus of course Pedigrees Brogue Kicks Cody to regain his heat afterwards. Fun stuff. **

Meanwhile, HHH isn’t terribly impressed with Vickie’s big decision making tonight.

Meanwhile, Kane wants to get the band back together, but Bryan is more concerned with Team DB, and Kane notes that he’s being a DB. OH TAG! Bryan is more concerned with becoming WWE champion, which should set up the MITB main event.

Randy Orton v. Daniel Bryan

The app (which has been WAY toned down tonight) reveals that it’s a no-DQ match. Bryan takes him down and works the leg, throwing the kicks in the corner, but Orton stomps a mudhole in retaliation. Slingshot suplex and Orton takes him down with a Thesz Press, but Bryan rolls through into a half-crab. Bryan goes nuts with kicks, so Orton pokes him in the eyes and dumps him, acting a bit heelish. Jesus, we went MONTHS with fuck all happening in this promotion and now they’re turning everyone in the company. Back in, Orton grabs a chinlock and slugs away in the corner, very heelishly not letting the crowd count to ten. Bryan comes back with a clothesline and dropkick in the corner, which gets two. Orton charges and hits the floor, but Bryan’s suicide dive misses and he wipes out. Orton grabs a kendo stick and dishes some abuse with that, for two. And we take a break. Back with Orton trying for a superplex, but Bryan hits a missile dropkick and makes the comeback. Head kick misses and Orton throws him to the apron, but Bryan escapes the draping DDT. Orton catapults Bryan to the apron and punts the ribs, putting Bryan on the floor as the crack WWE medical team wants to stop the match. Bryan keeps fighting, so Orton suplexes him onto the railing and the ref stops the match at 15:48. WEAK SAUCE. Orton shows good sportsmanship afterwards, at least. This was rolling along great before they forgot to come up with a finish that didn’t suck. ***1/4 Stopping a match when the guy isn’t covered in his own blood or getting clubbed to death with his own severed leg is STUPID. Thankfully we know where this is going and in this case they really are telling a story.

AJ joins us to reinforce that she’s still a heel, and Dolph isn’t here tonight due to his concussion. Also, she’s issuing an open challenge to anyone in the locker room, which brings out Stephanie. Oh great, that’s just what we needed. She reminds AJ that she’s the alpha female and can fire AJ any time she wants, making sure to emphasize how much taller than AJ that she is by standing right next to her, and then bitches out Kaitlyn as well on the way back to the dressing room. WHY IS SHE ON THIS SHOW AGAIN?!

US Title: Dean Ambrose v. Kane

The trilogy ends here. Hopefully. Kane gets a sideslam and goes up with the flying clothesline, but the Shield runs in for the DQ at 1:30. Really?

Meanwhile, Vickie reminds the Shield who the boss is. That’s the theme of the show: People reminding other people who the boss is. She’s about to fire them, but Vince steps in and sticks up for them, because this whole show is apparently a dick-waving contest between Vince and HHH and everything else is minor.

Antonio Cesaro v. William Regal

This is a random return for Regal. Cesaro is now a Zeb Colter Guy, which is a good fit because it makes Zeb even more of a hypocrite and he’s 100x better than Swagger. Cesaro squashes the shit out of Regal, including an awesome double chicken wing drop, and the swinging chinlock to set up the NEUTRALIZER at 2:40. Then he buries Regal under a “Don’t Tread On Me” flag. How can you not love that? Now that’s a heel! He’s giant hypocritical douchebag because he and Zeb are BAD PEOPLE. I love it!

John Cena is out, and he’s feeling so good that he’s pretty sure he’s gonna beat whoever wins the briefcase this year. They’re all like “Good to see John Cena regaining his confidence after all the unpleasantness of 2012!” I bet 95% of the population would like to have as bad a year as Cena did in 2012. Anyway, this brings out Mark Henry, who has been teasing retirement. He’s rocking the Vince McMahon 1979 salmon suit jacket, so you know shit’s gonna get serious. Henry puts over Cena as one of the greatest, and Cena lets him hold the belt to take in his moment. Henry has a tearful speech for an appreciative crowd…and then turns on Cena. WIGS HAVE BEEN SPLIT. And the crowd goes even CRAZIER for him, because this was magnificent. So there’s your MITB main event.

Chris Jericho v. Heath Slater

That last one really should have ended the show, but instead we have another hour. Sigh. Jericho quickly hits the bulldog, but the Lionsault gets broken up by Drew and Slater gets two. Codebreaker finishes at 2:20, however. *1/2

Meanwhile, Matt Striker wants to know the scoop on Paul Heyman, but he just wants to talk about Axel.

Curtis Axel v. Sin Cara

The stupid yellow lights are back for Sin Cara. Axel works him over, but Cara comes back with an inverted DDT for two. He goes up and misses something that’s not clear, and Axel finishes with a DDT at 2:32. This appears to set up a feud with the Miz. Thrilling. ½*

Meanwhile, all three McMahons squabble with Vickie and each offers contradictory orders. As someone with three bosses at work, I can sympathize, but I don’t want to watch it on my wrestling show.

Alberto Del Rio v. CM Punk

ADR kicks him down and slugs away in the corner, but Punk tries the GTS early, so Del Rio escapes to the floor and Punk follows with a dive. Back in, Del Rio goes after the arm and we take a break. Back with Punk making a comeback, but he runs into a backbreaker that gets two. Punk fights back with kicks, but Del Rio takes him down with an armbar and a backstabber for two. Punk counters the superkick into a rollup for two, but Del Rio kicks him in the head for two. Punk counters the armbar into the running knee and GTS, but Del Rio falls out of the ring. ADR takes a walk at 12:24, and Dolph is here after all, beating the crap out of Del Rio to cement his turn. **3/4 And here’s Brock Lesnar, apparently unhappy about Punk’s decision to fire Heyman. He teases a promo, and then just F5s him instead. That’s our Brock! Obviously they need to save this one for Summerslam.

The Pulse

Holy cow there was some great stuff on this show. Storylines actually moved FORWARD, things changed and got shook up, and it didn’t feel like a three hour show outside of the filler crap in the third hour between the Cena angle and the main event. Best show since the post-Wrestlemania one, easily, and it’s actually setting up stuff that people WANT to see. Big thumbs up this week.

Comments

  1. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryJune 17, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Dammit, I'll have to shelve the Simpsons joke until the next bad show. But that's a small sacrifice when Daniel Bryan, Mark Henry, and Antonio Cesaro are allowed to be awesome. Seriously, that fake-out Twitter Henry put out last night then made the swerve tonight was GLORIOUS.

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  2. Obviously no one can know for sure, but it would appear to me that Punk might have refused to comeback whilst going to baseball games unless the company turned itself around. Counting Payback, Ziggler and Punk turned, Cesaro and Bryan are getting renewed pushes, and Christian returned. I can't help but see Punk telling the WWE that he'd walk out to ROH or TNA unless they start doing things properly.

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  3. Punk is under contract. He's not going anywhere.


    Plus, he hates TNA.

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  4. This show just proved how completely fickle I am. I haven't watched any WWE(besides Payback) and have hated their direction. I watch Payback and Raw tonight and suddenly I am ecstatic with the possible direction of several wrestlers and programs.

    The Ziggler stuff at Payback and Raw were well done. Ziggler is heating up.

    It feels like they are building to Bryan beating Orton and then challenging Cena at Summerslam. In the meantime Cena has a HOT match with Mark Henry at MITB. Mark Henry was sensational tonight. Seriously, he was so good tonight and he had the crowd in the palm of his hand.

    Punk vs. Lesnar? Probably for Summerslam so what excuse do they have for keeping Brock away that long, unless they do Punk vs. Lesnar at MITB.

    Either way I'm excited for these next two months. I know it won't go how I'm hoping but there are still exciting match ups on the horizon that I can't wait to see.

    I'm guessing Money in the Bank looks like Cena vs. Henry, Ziggler vs. Del Rio, Bryan vs. Orton. Not sure about the Money in the Bank winners. Maybe Wade Barrett and Cody Rhodes(wishful thinking).

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  5. Christian was already a face.

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  6. I could see him playing ball to maybe get more money, but I'm pretty sure they're not going to listen to him creatively. Cena can't even get his buddies pushed most of the time.

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  7. Overheard on Twitter tonight: "Now the muttonchops make sense. It's Wolverine vs Juggernaut!"

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  8. Wasn't he a heel when he made a brief return months ago for a meaningless in-ring segment and did the "One more match" gag?

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  9. kbwrestlingreviewsJune 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    You really think WWE remembers that part?

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  10. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryJune 17, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    He's not going to fucking TNA.

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  11. Awesome fucking show.

    Mark Henry was incredible, I was skeptical but he made me believe, just incredible acting on his part.

    Keeping Brock and Punk separate for so long made tonight so much more special, the slow burn. equals great storytelling.

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  12. Mark Henry trolling the interwebs? Goddamn right it was glorious.

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  13. Last I remember seeing him he was a face losing the IC title to Miz at Raw 1000.

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  14. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryJune 17, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Hell, even I didn't remember that shit.

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  15. There is ZERO chance that Punk goes to TNA. He hated his brief run there and shit talks it at every chance. He probably wouldn't mind doing a part-time role in ROH though since he's very financially comfortable at this point.

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  16. Great show tonight. I can't wait to see how they fuck it up!!!

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  17. I'm kinda doubting it happened, unless it happened on Smackdown. Anything could have happened on Smackdown.
    They could have a triple threat of Rock/Austin/Angle and no one would know it happened.

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  18. kbwrestlingreviewsJune 17, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    At Payback Cole said that Bryan pinned Rollins for the first Shield loss in a six man tag. He can't even remember the matches from the last episode he was on.

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  19. He was in favour of banning the brogue kick during the endless ADR v. Sheamus feud but it wasn't really a heel turn.


    When he went out of action, he was a face.

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  20. And yeah, the woman's segment was a trainwreck. There were two boobs involved, and they subjected us to the one no one wants to see, and blacked out the other one.


    I think if Mark Henry had capped off his night by finishing off Stephanie once and for all, we'd be on our way to a new boom period. Her ship as a character sailed years ago. It doesn't help that she's jacked up and bigger than most of the divas, either.

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  21. Nuh uh. Brock's bigger, blonde, and mean.


    It's Wolverine vs. Sabretooth.

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  22. You see, Chris, there is this little thing called a "contract"...

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  23. Its funny but during this current angle Vince comes off as a bit senile, HHH comes off as a bit wooden and Steph comes off as exactly the way I bet she really is in the back...

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  24. The sad thing for Henry is that now nobody will ever take his REAL retirement speech seriously

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  25. It's crazy how much they've ruined Brock. Indisputably. All they have done with Brock over the past year have immensely cooled the fans on Brock. The fans were excited for Brock but his reaction was much more muted than a year ago. Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Ziggler, and Jericho all got way stronger reactions than Brock did. Proof that losing to John Cena and wasting the rest of your time with Triple H does hurt your heat.


    Still excited for Punk vs. Lesnar though.

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  26. Wade winning the briefcase would be Swagger all over again, unless he gets an unprecedented push leading up to his cash in. I'm with you on Cody, though, and I could see him getting the World Title case.

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  27. He's a heel who gets face reactions. It's not going to blow the roof off the dump like when he debuted. If he got a monster reaction it would tell you something was wrong. I thought the "oh shit! (some cheers)" reaction he got on the way out was perfectly fine.

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  28. Cody vs. Ziggler for the World Title down the road could be fun. They really need strong heels now that John Cena, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Randy Orton, and Sheamus are all faces.


    I hope they turn Orton and Sheamus and build up a few guys like Cody Rhodes, Cesaro and Barrett.


    The face side is waaaaaaaay stronger than the heel side.

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  29. Punk was a heel who got and gets crazy face reactions. I'm not saying the fans are indifferent towards him but he has lost that "Brock's here yay!: factor.

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  30. Sorry but Brock is simply not going to get a monster face reaction against the most over guy on the roster.


    If Brock was coming out to kill Cena, he gets a big face reaction, but against Punk, that simply isnt going to happen for anybody in 2013....

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  31. Ok...so he told them he'll walk out when his contract is up in a year if he's not happy with the way he's being used, my original point still applies

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  32. The way he's being used? He was champion for more than a year, got two PPV matches v. The Rock and got to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.


    Why would he go to TNA, which he hates or go to ROH? The guys he wrestled in ROH when he was there aren't even in ROH anymore.

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  33. If you havent noticed, Punk is kind of in that Cena role these days where the office doesnt really ride him and dictate what he does. He's at that level where while under contract, and still having the obligation to meet his scheduled dates, he kind of does what he wants

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  34. I am sure that he is under contract for much, much more than a year.

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  35. There's always CHIKARA, and that big money feud with CP Munk.

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  36. And Punk kinda met his match with the Rock. So Brock met his match with Punk, not a big deal. Punk just came back and is so over as a face that they didn't even bother turning him in the usual way. If the roof blew off for Brock that means something is really, really wrong.


    It's different than DB/Orton, they're both faces. So the crowd should cheer for them both.

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  37. Great wrestling, surprises, McMahons up the wazoo, and puppies. Is this show the new official end of the Attitude Era?

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  38. And the Oscar goes to *drum roll*..... MARK HENRY in 'That's what I do!'

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  39. Except his contract actually is up in a year, he signed a three year deal in the summer of 2011, it ends in summer 2014

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  40. Did they, are we certain that weird ass ending wasn't a work

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  41. He was IC Champion Scott! How could you forget that?

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  42. He apparently hated that depiction of him and called the CHIKARA/Quackenbush "nerds".

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  43. I think they'll be back eventually with that last ending being a huge cliffhanger for a while. The Wrestlefactory is still open.

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  44. Geez, I never Sao he was, I can't be bothered replying to the five people that said this, I clearly said that he'd TELL the WWE he would leave for TNA or ROH, I didn't say he would or that he wanted too

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  45. He wouldn't do that and they wouldn't believe him. He's not going to TNA or to wrestle for ROH full-time. Embarrassing.

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  46. Daniel Bryan is a face? I'm honestly confused about where his character is haha.

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  47. Henry splitting Cena and Steph's in the same night would have made this the best Raw ever, wouldn't it?

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  48. I think they are too, but if you're in a tag team with a face and you're always facing heels, that's good enough for me. It's not like they were into this whole "shades of grey" thing until yesterday.

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  49. If they did a shot backstage where AJ picked up her cell phone at the hotel, and it was Steph, still yelling and carrying on, they'd have her rumored real-life persona down pat.

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  50. "I'm The Brockernaut bitch!" Sorry, that was lame.

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  51. I know they need their selling points for Cesaro, but it's weird to keep saying he's "pound-for-pound the strongest man" in WWE ... when WWE employs The World's Strongest Man.

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  52. They really should build up those guys as real threats (and I'd add Sandow to that list). That said, with Del Rio, Ryback, the Shield, Henry (assuming he doesn't retire for real soon), Big Show, the Wyatt Family, and hopefully Orton in the near future, they have a decent crop of heels going forward.

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  53. HE'S NOT GOING TO FUCKING TNA!!!

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  54. He had a soft face turn shortly after his last injury break. He wasn't back for very long before going on the shelf again.

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  55. I'd like to see Vince's response to Punk threatening to go to TNA, if only because I want to see if he did a dismissive wanking gesture.

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  56. I really enjoyed RAW like most of you. It was just a fun episode where things actually happened, it didn't feel stagnant. A good amount of character turns that seem to freshen the wrestlers up. The writing of the show felt different, in a good way. I don't know if the recent poor ratings made them make some changes or what. I could do without the McMahon drama stuff but if they keep putting out RAWs like this ill put up with that crap.

    With all the turns though are we now a bit lacking in top heels? We have ADR and Henry as main event level heels that are around full time. That's kinda it though. They need to push/turn some guys to level out the heel/face playing field. But I'm really hyped for this summer, looks like we are going to get some solid stuff.

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  57. Well, they have The Shield as top-level heels, Orton looks like he's about to turn full heel, and Bray Wyatt is on the way. Maybe Big E is getting a push too. That should provide some balance.

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  58. I'm not sold. The dates that were cancelled couldn't have been real. Who the fuck runs Minot, ND? I was in the Air Force so I know for a fact that the only thing there is a military base and meth-head tweakers.

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  59. THIS is why I still watch wrestling. Lesnar-Punk. Was Lesnar's music as big a surprise as the night after Cena-Rock I? No, it wasn't. Is Lesnar as hot as he was prior to the HHH neutering? No, he isn't. Do I care? Nope, I don't. That was awesome tonight.

    This program and that match are, dare I say, WWE proof. It's going to be gold. Take my money.

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  60. #thatswhatido

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  61. http://banglanews24.com/l/images/shut-up-and-take-my-money-fry-494.jpg

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  62. I didn't watch because I don't watch.

    It sounded good!

    Let's hope for the next few months, they can fill three hours a week with fresh, quality material! [/sarcasm]

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  63. I don't know. I would ahve thought Orton was heading that way until the lovefest he put on tonight. Either that injury was real and he broke character or they blew that feud off with a show of respect.

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  64. I actually think that WAS his real retirement speech. He gave a heartfelt one and now he can go out as a heel and not have to break character.

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  65. LOL Who would dare downvote this? Are there members of the WWE creative team on this site?

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  66. What's "Smackdown"? A new show??

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  67. How is the Zeb/Cesaro combination awesome? yeah, saddling a guy with no direction with one of the most boring characters on the roster. A clear recipe for success!


    Everything else was pretty good though.

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  68. I think as a wrestling fan, you've got to be fickle.


    I don't watch WWE, so I can't comment on tonight's show. But whatever Fed(s) you watch, we as wrestling fans have to put up with a LOT of crap in order to get to the "good stuff". And we need to be prepared to react to that stuff in a heartbeat.


    Somehow, every time we think we're getting out, we get pulled back in. No other entertainment media (except for maybe comics) has that type of power. I think we've all seen shows where, after a bad stretch, we give up completely, only to be shocked when someone says "I know seasons 6 and 7 sucked, but 8 is awesome!". The thing is, we DON'T watch Season 8.


    However, wrestling is different. We can say "the last year (or two) was boring/sucked, but this new thing is promising as hell"


    I'm starting to think that either A) wrestling fans are the most optimistic people on the planet or B) we're the dumbest people on the planet.


    Either way, I still love it, and guess I always will.

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  69. How is saddling two no hopers like Billy Gunn and the Roadie ever going to lead to anything?

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  70. You know, I was just thinking that Stephanie throwing her weight around might be part of a long-term build of her dominating the women's division, only to lead the return of Chyna, who demolishes her Ultimate Warrior-style and then retires the title.

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  71. if the story about the pre-pipebomb timeframe is true, he was about to quit wrestling altogether.

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  72. That was the first Raw I've watched since the ep two weeks after 'Mania put me off for a few months. Had watched Payback and found it pretty good so thought I'd check out this week's show. Pretty good, though a fast-forward button (and delayed watching) is mandatory. Christian, The Shield, Punk, face Ziggler, AJ & Big E, Daniel Bryan and Lesnar are all compelling reasons to check out this show. Stephanie bitching out the Divas champion and challenger for the sport of it is not. Seriously, what was that about? Are Triple H's insecurities sexually transmittable?

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  73. I'm thinking Vince's response would be something akin to "You can't just invent acronyms and expect me to be afraid!" or "What's a TNA?"


    Either/or.

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  74. What's the deal with Riley? It seems like he has a lot of potential. I know he had that DUI arrest, so did that kill his push? He wrestled a show I went to last year and he was arguably one of the most over people on the roster.

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  75. Great show tonight. Stuff happened (really, it did!) and the app wasn't shoved down our throats. Hopefully they can keep it up.

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  76. I got he memo that we are all supposed to gush over Mark Henry's fake retirement...but has this character ever needed to lie to sucker someone in before?

    I thought his appeal was that he just straight up beats the crap outta people?

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  77. Randy Orton is still the most boring man in sports entertainment today. The sooner we get through Bryan/Orton the better. Watching Bryan try to sell Orton's lazy, meandering offense was seriously painful, and I was genuinely scared that Bryan had seriously hurt himself, which would have lessened my opinion of Orton even further. No way that match was more than ***.


    I liked this RAW but didn't really love it. Some interesting storyline development and a seriously awesome Mark Henry moment, but none of the good wrestling that's made the past few weeks watchable. I'm definitely optimistic for the next couple of months though.

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  78. You are correct but I can at least buy into the idea that Henry was angered by rumours of his retirmenet so then concocted the ruse as a means of saying "fuck you" to the fans and challenging Cena. That may or may not have been implied by what was televised but WWE booking so rarely makes sense that if I can make sense of it independently, I count that as a win.

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  79. That'd require dragging Chyna out of one of those damned pools she's constantly drowning in.

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  80. You can prove anything with evidence.

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  81. I mean its complete fantasy booking because there's no way Steph or Triple H is ever bringing her back. I often feel bad for Chyna. She's responsible for her own destructive choices, but after Triple H cheated on her with Steph her life went into a tailspin and she's never gotten out of that.

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  82. From what we know of how the Clique worked and what I read in Jericho's book, you can kind of infer that Chyna was an egotistical monster when with HHH and so you'd imagine that suddenly losing that power would've messed her up somewhat. I wouldn't begrudge her a final match (showing up and quickly kicking the ass of a snooty heel would be fine) but it ain't happening. You just saw on Raw how Stephanie is to employees she probably doesn't even hate, imagine how she feels about her husband's ex!

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  83. I keep saying wins and losses dont matter anymore.


    Brock comes out F5s Punk... MONSTER AGAIN.

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  84. Who's the guy with no direction and who's the boring character? I'm new here.

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  85. "I keep saying wins and losses dont matter anymore."

    99% of the time, my dear Fuj.

    Once Brock lost to Cena, the dream was dead.

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  86. Here's your homework assignment: go through Scott's rant and find the explanations for why it makes a good duo.

    Here's a cheat-sheet: Sometimes two negatives equals a positive.

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  87. I think we're both A and B!


    But yeah I can be down on wrestling and WWE in general but I've noticed that it takes a lot to get me really down on the product. But all it takes is Mark Henry hitting Cena with the World's Strongest Slam or Brock F5'ing Punk to get me as optimistic as ever.


    I really am pumped for the next few months. I may end up disappointed but I'm down for the ride.

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  88. But turning against Cena is actually more a face turn... ;)

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  89. Why would they care? It's not like we're talking about 1997-era WCW here. If he went to ROH, he could be the whole 60 minute show and no one would notice.... because it's on rural access channel 84, if it's even on in your market.

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  90. I thought everyone was convinced his contract ended this year.
    Who knows how many years he has, if he doesn't have a massive downside he could have 25 bajillion years on it

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  91. I just can't stand Orton in singles matches. I don't give a fuck if he's 'safe', outside of his comeback routine he's fast-forward material, even with Bryan's selling. Worst clothesline since Davey Boy.


    Mcmahon's aside though, this was really fun. You wait three months for story developments then they all come at once! Colter/Cesaro is positive, Punk/Brock could be great, and Mark Henry nailed one of the all-time great wrestling fake outs.

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  92. They could have had Kharma fill that role.. but of course they couldn't think up any storylines for her...

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  93. I take the 'pound for pound' thing as height/weight to strength ratio.

    Basically saying, for his height/weight, he is probably the strongest guy out there.

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  94. Rumor is he stood up for himself while being ragged on by Cena. Now I'm sure "he doesn't have what it takes" because he couldn't take a good ribbing

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  95. Did anybody really fall for it? I mean, who would go out of their way to travel to Grand Rapids to announce their retirement??

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  96. Yeah, it's hard to come up with things for a pregnant woman to do in the ring.

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  97. Pound for pound weakest would be Hornswaggle.

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  98. Seemed like most of the crowd did.

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  99. It's obvious that those people are exceptionally gullible, because somebody convinced them to live in Grand Rapids.

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  100. What would be the side plates of a Mark Henry WWE Title belt? Kicked Asses and Split Wigs?

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  101. They let her go after her pregnancy.

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  102. Great show imo. People talking up their belts like they mean something, a few returns, the brilliant Mark Henry bit, Vince championing the Shield, the beginning of what looks like Daniel Bryan's singles run toward the top and most importantly, MINIMAL APP SHILLING. You could really notice the lack of shilling and it was good

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  103. How about don't posting because you don't post?

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  104. Meh its not like you spent months calling Brock by a stupid gimmick name all the while thinking you are clever or something.

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  105. Same - no way those tears were fake, I'm guessing "MITB" will be his final match, and this was a way to give him a classy exit while still remaining in character.

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  106. Or does it all begin... again?

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  107. She had other issues as well

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  108. Ummmm...I take it you don't know what pound-for-pound means.


    They're not saying he's stronger than Mark Henry in a real-life "can lift more weight" sense. They're saying he's PROPORTIONALLY stronger for his size than anyone else.

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  109. I agree with what someone else said... It think he really was giving a retirement speech and the things he said and the emotions were real (he has shown in the past that he is a sensitive guy) but he knows he would likely not get to do a retirement thing like that so he relished it as much as he could.

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  110. i disagree.


    it was stupid for him to lose to cena and the mystique was gone


    but it never hurt him.

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  111. Yeah, God forbid people have fun at a fucking wrestling show.

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  112. Did anyone else notice in the backstage segment with all 3 McMahon's that you could hear the director say "cut" or something then Vickie looked right at the camera before they cut away to something else?


    And I kind of feel like some of you let your disdain for Steph the character color your opinion of Steph the person... I've always heard everyone say she was really nice and easy to get along with backstage and was nothing like her character...

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  113. Funny you mention Steph the person, for as much as we think Steph and HHH are these awful people, when you hear about former WWE Employees get asked about them, most of the time it's pretty favorable.


    I'm sure there's someone here that watches more shoots and pays more attention to interviews than I do.

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  114. How is it awesome? Because, for whatever reason, the WWE is high on the Zeb character - so, by proxy, Cesaro aligning with him means they'll push Cesaro.


    Also, Cesaro is a BILLION levels above Swagger. So at least between the xenophobia we'll get some excellent wrestling.

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  115. The selling Cena did during the Henry's retirement speech is probably going to be the best selling he does all year.


    I haven't been watching much outside of following the Rants but this brought me back for at least a month.

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  116. Which is only true by the technicality that he's kinda light for a 6'6 guy. 4 inches shorter and he'd be a cruiser. In ROH he was only 222, which is dinky for a guy that tall.

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  117. You serious, bro?


    Punk doesn't dictate anything beyond his role, and even that's questionable. If he had mega power, HE'D have faced Cena for the gold at Mania. As it stands, he's still below Cena on the pecking order - but at this stage is the number two to Cena, like HHH was to Rock.

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  118. Man between work and a booty call all I caught was the Cena/Henry segment, but that was glorious. I love when they shuffle the deck like this, because someone who was stale last week is exciting today. This "season" (Mania to Mania) is off to a good start!

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  119. Usually I'd bitch someone for being negative and not giving WWE a win for once, but things are so bad I don't blame you for saying that.

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  120. Anyone get the feeling Punk will possibly hang it up? It's not exactly news that he's wanted to retire early for awhile.

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  121. Whoa, back off, honey! Mark Henry is wearing a pink suit, I gotta see this!

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  122. As a Mooother Steph needs to go to all the IWC sites and downvote people who talk about her writing skills.

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  123. I think we all know the answer to that last question.

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  124. I could see Punk signing some sort of limited engagement deal. Something like Brock or Jericho.

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  125. I think it just took a long time for Henry to 'get' the world of wrestling. He was signed in 1996 with zero experience. Cena went fairly quickly from wrestling school to the WWE roster and it *still* took 2 years for that to happen.

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  126. I have evidence that I paid my water bill; therefore, Zack Ryder is the WWE Champion.

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  127. TRIVIAJACK!~

    Who were the first father/son tandem to hold the Intercontinental title?

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  128. I found it ironic that head of creative came out to chastise a character for being a sexist stereotype. Does Steph not see what she did there?

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  129. It may just be possible that she was balls crazy the whole time and that's why HHH ended things. Just a thought.

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  130. Putting Cesaro - a foreigner - with Colter the anti-foreigner is perfect, because now there is little chance Colter's teabagger wet-dream character is going to get face heat. Playing the hypocrite card is perfect.

    Plus, it hopefully means Swagger has finally gone away. That guy is useless.

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  131. Booty call? Pics or it didn't happen.

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  132. Nowadays, Mark Henry would have had a few years in FCW to develop, but it was the Monday Night Wars so they just shoved him into WWF and stuck him in stupid angles with transvestites and Mae Young.

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  133. Loved the Gracie Jiu Jutsu sweatshirt on Punk. They'll probably sell quite a few now.

    I'm also a big ol' mark for the old "sucker you in with a fake promo and attack instead." Fit Finlay did that once in WCW. Can't remember what time period it was (maybe the hardcore era?), but he took the mic in the ring with his opponent, opened his mouth, then just hit his opponent with it instead. It made a nice loud THUMP because it was turned on.

    I died laughing at that, and I've been waiting for someone to do it again since.

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  134. "How is the Zeb/Cesaro combination awesome?"


    Because Cesaro isn't American, thus making Zeb a giant hypocrite and thus a more effective heel.

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  135. I saw it coming, but between the tears and shout outs to the family, Mark Henry is now the F'n Man! Too much Vince, Steph, and HHH really hurt the show because they still try to make it about them, but the Punk/Brock, Cena/Henry, Bryan/Orton, the Shield, and Ziggler/Del Rio stuff was fantastic. I also love Cesaro is now with Zeb. If they add JGT to that group, give them a run!

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  136. Henry had me rolling when he mentioned his wife and then someone in the crowd chanted Mae Young. Henry then called the fan stupid or something. The entire speech was fantastic and if they don't hotshot that belt over now, they are REALLY missing the boat with Henry.

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  137. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    OK, so what if...


    MITB sees Cena over Henry, Del Rio over Dolph when AJ and Big E turn on Dolph (giving Del Rio a hot gf, a bodyguard, and his weasely announcer, ie a full rich-dude entourage), Bryan wins a briefcase by last "eliminating" Orton, either Ryback or Cesaro win the other briefcase, and Heyman and/or Lesnar cost Punk one of the ladder matches.


    That gives us a Summerslam card of:
    - WWE Title: Cena vs Bryan
    - WHC: Del Rio vs RVD (he wins a Smackdown #1 Contender battle royal or something)
    - WAR GAMES: HHH/Undertaker/Kane/Orton vs Curtis Axel & The Shield (Orton turns on his team)
    - CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar
    - Sheamus vs Ryback
    - Cesaro vs Rey Mysterio
    - Dolph vs Big E (w/ AJ)
    - Wyatt Family debut vs Midcard Faces (Christian, Miz, Kofi)


    I mean, I don't think a card like that is out of the question. In which case, honestly, that's a goddamn 4-hour stadium show right there. Holy shit, this could be good.

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  138. ROOOOEENNNED!

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  139. Think maybe they should hold off on Cena vs Bryan and give the Strap to Henry and have him start up a feud with Daniel Bryan (mitb winner) only to give him a major rub and put him over...maybe it's because that promo Henry did last night really pulled at my heartstrings and I want him to win the WWE title.

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  140. The wargames inclusion alone would be a buy

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  141. Wait - the brand extension is over, or so I thought. They're actually going to do two briefcases?

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  142. Payback review Scott?

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  143. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    They did last year too. One briefcase is WWE Title only, and one is WHC only.

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  144. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    I'm just gonna keep predicting it until it finally happens, but it REALLY fits the storyline. Especially if the underlying part of the feud is HHH vs Vince (who's backing Shield), then that's obviously an important enough feud to need a War Games blow-off.


    Seriously, a card like this should absolutely do huge numbers.

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  145. It was fine. There, now Scott doesn't need to do one.

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  146. Punk's done it a couple times, once to Zack Ryder in the 2010 Royal Rumble, and in 2009 to Jeff Hardy.

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  147. Punk/Lesnar
    Henry/Cena
    Bryan/Kane/Orton/Jericho/Ryback/The Shield MITB match
    ADR/Ziggler
    Sheamus/Rhodes/Sandow/RVD/Christian/Barrett/Sin Cara/Cesaro MITB match
    Axel/Miz(for HHH if they still want to go there)
    Kaitlyn/AJ




    If that is the card at MITB, it's the best non WM card in years.

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  148. AJ and Big E have to stay with Ziggler.

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  149. Chris and Daniel B?

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  150. They're able to ignore the boos for Cena, but ignoring the roof blowing off the joint each week for someone we're not supposed to cheer for or like is proving a bit harder to do.

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  151. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    I love them as a crew too, but I think last night already planted the seeds of the breakup when AJ was all like "I wish Ziggy was here to bask in my moment". I mean, AJ is clearly a heel, so how would her and Ziggler still work together? Me thinks that either AJ has to turn face (which, sure, could easily happen) or AJ becomes Del Rio's part-latina squeeze.


    Also, AJ/Big-E costing Ziggler the rematch sets up a nice prolonged chase storyline for Dolph, since I don't see Del Rio dropping the title for at least a few months.

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  152. Wargames? That's wishful thinking to say the least...

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  153. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Oh totally, but MAYBE since the storyline would involve a McMahons feud PLUS Triple H PLUS Taker PLUS the heel group that they're pushing to the moon, well that would be enough to push them over the top.


    If not War Games, I think we're definitely getting Taker's return for some kind of giant match against Vince/Shield.

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  154. Is it just me or is it not that exciting to have Christian back? He is pretty bland imo

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  155. I think it's safe to say the vast majority of us saw it coming a mile away. Cena hanging around the whole time was the big, obvious clue.


    But then Mark's speech lingered on JUST long enough that I think it created a little bit of doubt in our minds. Not very much, obviously, but just enough that we marked out (heh) when he slammed Cena.

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  156. I think they should let Lesnar/Punk build for a while and make it the Summerslam marquee along with Cena/Bryan. That would be the best looking double main event since Lesnar/Rock and HBK/HHH at Summerslam 2002. (which i still consider one of the best wrestling cards ever.)

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  157. Do the rematch at Summerslam.

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  158. Scream09_HartKillerJune 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    Henry needs to retire and move onto Hollywood.

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  159. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    I'd be surprised if they did Lesnar/Punk at MITB.



    I think they look at Cena/Henry, the two ladder matches, and RVD as enough to sell the July PPV, and then they go balls out with a massive Summerslam card.


    Though Punk/Lesnar in front of the Philly crowd would be f'n nuts.

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  160. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    He's not super exciting or anything, but he'll definitely have some good matches with Cesaro, Ambrose, the Wyatts, etc. If he just has fast-paced 10-minute matches and puts over the up-and-coming heels, then I think he helps make the shows better even if he isn't setting the world on fire.

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  161. Why hold back? Like I said in the live thread last night, have Heyman claim innocence and be in a neutral corner for the match. He officially turns on Punk and costs him the match and then Punk goes over for the rematch at Summerslam.

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  162. HHH its a mixed response (some good, some bad)....Stephanie gets mostly good from what ive seen

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  163. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Hey, personally I wouldn't complain about getting two Punk-Lesnar matches. I'm just saying I doubt that's what they will do.



    The first match always has way more buying-pull than a rematch, and I just think they're gonna go all out to pull a huge buy at Summerslam.


    Plus the multi-man ladder matches at MITB give them booking room to advance feuds without having an actual one on one match. Maybe Lesnar actually enters himself in MITB, wins the f'n thing, murderizes Punk during the match. Then Punk over Lesnar at Summerslam, and Lesnar goes away with his briefcase.


    Six months go by, you've got the WWE Champion in the ring after a match (say it's D-Bry), Lesnar music hits, NEW CHAMP. And bam, you've got Lesnar's Wrestlemania match all set up.

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  164. Mr. Perfect and Curtis Axel

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  165. Too soon....Too soon

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  166. I just don't know how they'll explain the long wait for the match. I was expecting Lesnar to do something to Punk that would write him off tv for a month, like throwing him off the stage or something.

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  167. Worst_in_the_WorldJune 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Eh, last Summerslam's Lesnar-HHH match had multiple PPVs in between teh first angle and the opening match. And then Summerslam and Mania had 7 months in between. I don't think the 2-month build will be a problem.


    Basically between now and MITB, it can all be about Punk distancing himself from Heyman (maybe we get a mini Punk-Axel feud), and Heyman saying he had nothing to do with the Lesnar attack.


    Then MITB is where the Heyman "turn" becomes official, when he costs Punk a ladder match.


    Then the next night on Raw (in Brooklyn! Got my tickets woo-hoo!) is when they do the big pull apart brawl and Punk-Lesnar is officially on.

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  168. I hope he was gentle with you.

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  169. Mark is probably hurting a bit but he should still get the title and cut promos every week. He shouldn't wrestle too much.

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  170. He and Jericho are both excellent upper-midcarders IMO. All they seem to want to do is put people over, have good matches, and they play face/heel equally well when required. Just all-round great pros.

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  171. WSM side plate and a Hall of Pain type symbol?

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