Hey Scott! First I'd like to say love your blog and your reviews from past wrestling shows. I think the reviews are honest and something a TRUE wrestling fan would say instead of saying the political correct answer. Now on to my question; The Four Horseman were inducted into the 2012 WWE Hall of Fame and it was the stable that was inducted with Flair, Windham, Blanchard, Dillon and Anderson were representing? But my thing is that Benoit is in because it was the stable that was inducted not the 4 wrestlers that were on stage so he is in the Hall of Fame in my mind. I mean when Metallica was inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame; it was the band that was inducted which means that Dave Mustaine is in the Hall of Fame as well by association. So WWE in my view shot themselves in the foot because even though his name is not in the Hall of Fame he's in because of the group and the same can be said for guys like Luger, Malenko, Pillman and the not so great members like McMichael, Roma and Sid. What are your thoughts about that? thanks my friend carry on
They were pretty specific with inducting Flair/Windham/Arn/Tully/JJ that year. Plus the Benoit era was a decade removed from the classic era. And most convincing to me, no one gives a fuck about the WWE Hall of Fame anyway.
That means Mongo is in the HOF.
ReplyDeleteMongo is not in the HOF.
Oh you betcha ya
ReplyDeleteYou can take that argument to pretty absurd conclusions. If KISS Is inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame, does that include every member who had a cup of coffee with the band (read the family tree in the liner notes to Alive III - its pretty amazing).
ReplyDeleteWhat about Gary Cherone for Van Halen?
Re wrestling, I think there's more to it than just a name. If Doink was inducted, would that make every jobber who wore the mask a member?
Dave Mustaine was not inducted with Metallica, as he never played on a Metallica studio album. (he has a couple writing credits, but was long replaced before Kill Em' All was released) And the listing on the Rock Hall lists Metallica's entries as: Hetfield, Hammett, Ulrich, Burton, Newsted and Trujillo.
ReplyDeleteMustaine, Bob Rock and Ron McGovney didn't get in with Metallica and Benoit, Mongo and Paul Roma didn't get in with the Horsemen.
Is Lacey von Erich in the HoF?
ReplyDeleteHow about Lance?
Let it go.
ReplyDeleteI sort of give a fuck about the WWE Hall of Fame.
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong, mentally, with some fans who cannot accept that WWE doesn't want to publicize a good wrestler because he KILLED PEOPLE?!? I mean seriously, what's so hard to understand. He wasn't even all that over, and then he KILLED A WOMAN AND CHILD. You're never getting that 3 DVD set, just forget about it.
ReplyDeleteThat's one more fucks than the WWE gives.
ReplyDeleteChris Benoit is also a Time Person of the Year 2006
ReplyDeleteThe Hof means nothing. Who cares who goes in. Also why can no separate a body of work from a personal life. what Benoit did is unforgivable yes but it has nothing to do with his career. Just as if you found out John Cena threw puppies in a incinerator. It shouldn't make a difference in his professional career.
ReplyDeleteFound out? I firmly believe that anyway.
ReplyDeleteA Winner Is You!
ReplyDeleteSo I guess the family of Mark St.John shouldn't hold their breath for his posthumous Kiss HOF honor?
ReplyDeleteAlive III doesn't get the love it deserves
Paul Roma you finally did it!
ReplyDeleteMongo only pawn in Game of Life.
ReplyDeleteAnd send photos of your erect penis to young women shouldn't mean you don't get to be mayor of NYC and yet it probably will.
ReplyDeleteWhile I think the HoF is a nice outlet for a legend or two to give a nice speech and be appreciated by the fans, who actually gives a shit who's in it?
ReplyDeleteAnd also, Chris Beniot fucking murdered his family, I know he was a smark darling, but can we please just let him go.
By this logic, is Ole in?
ReplyDeleteThis is the dumbest shit I have seen on here in a long time.
ReplyDeleteMustaine was actually invited to the HOF but politely declined.He has more than a few writing credits and according to Dave they stole more than was given credit to him.
ReplyDeleteMustain is talented, and I own several Megadeth albums, but the guy cannot lie straight in bed..
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, Dave is fairly nutty.
ReplyDeleteMost people have souls. Congrats on not having one?
ReplyDeleteI never really got the UTTER HATRED so many people have for the Hall of Fame. I mean, it's just your everyday "pat on the back", "give some old timers a day in the sun" type of thing. Sure, it gets used for politics sometimes, and really has some obvious names off of it (though they only liked to name a couple big-time people a year), but come on- just let the old guys have their fun.
ReplyDeleteAnd enough about ripping on Koko B. Ware for being in it. The dude stared at the lights for like SEVEN YEARS, during some of the peak years of the business, as the lowest-end guy on the "non-jobber" roster. He earned that damn HOF induction.
Since way back to Two days ago with the Owen Austin hit.
ReplyDeleteDave was invited to attend the induction ceremony, but he was on tour with Judas Priest (IIRC) at the time. There was never any intention to induct Dave Mustaine into the Rock and Roll hall of fame as a member of Metallica.
ReplyDeleteA 4 DVD set perhaps?
ReplyDeleteYes, that means Jeff Jarrett is in.. and they said he never would be
ReplyDeleteSorry to say, but Benoit is now going to be mainly remembered for the last 3 days of his life to the general public. He might have been a great worker but he's a murderer and those aren't thought of in the highest regards.
ReplyDeleteNow, the WWE HOF will only be considered a legitimate hall of fame when they induct Man Mountain Rock.
And Nailz. The beating he gave the Big Bossman was EPIC!!!
ReplyDeletePlus he did more for pulling up your pants high they Urkel ever did.
ReplyDeleteI'll never understand the hard-on some fans have for Benoit getting into the HOF. Let me refresh your memory, he murder his wife and his 7 YEAR OLD! Who gives a shit about his wrestling abilities.
ReplyDeleteNah, I'm fine with no DVD set as long as they still release something in blu-ray.
ReplyDeleteIf Cena ever does turn heel he has to say something" You fans that boo me would cheer if Chris Benoit came out right now you sick freaks."
ReplyDeleteThe actually think Jarrett would be a good fit in WWE today, it would be cool to see him back for a little bit.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to have a camera around when someone lets him know.
ReplyDeleteFour!? Even Braden Walker only got three!
ReplyDeleteDoes Wolfgang get in?
ReplyDeleteHow about Ray Wilson? He carried Genesis on his back for a couple of weeks in late 1996.
Yes, WWE made it extremely clear that it was the "classic" (but not original" Flair/Arn/Tully/Windham lineup that were being inducted as "The Four Horsemen". Without really saying it, they firmly excluded Ole, Benoit, and just about anyone else that had ever been in the stable. I'm pretty sure the only other person who has ever been recognized as a member of the 4H on WWE TV was Dean Malenko.
ReplyDeleteGene Simmons has flat-out stated that "KISS" will forever be him, Paul Stanley, Eric Carr (RIP), and whoever Gene & Paul have hired to stick in the Ace & Peter costumes. That's what happens when you save your money instead of ending up a broke drug addict who has to sell your share of the original band.
ReplyDeleteAnother point: When Nirvana goes into the R&RHOF, it will be Cobain/Novoselic/Grohl (and probably Pat Smear, too, since Kurt always intended for the band to be a quartet). There won't be any awards waiting for Aaron Burckhard, Dale Crover, Dave Foster, Chad Channing, Jason Everman, or Dan Peters.
ReplyDeleteboosh, called it.
ReplyDeleteI agree, but I would regard the classic lineup to being
ReplyDeleteRic
Arn
Tully
Ole/Lex
THen Barry. Im not discounting what Barry did. I like Barry as a Horseman but Ole and Lex IMO were more "classic" than Barry.
Honestly its the iconic PWI pic that puts Barry above Lex and Ole.
Lex did the the original WarGames matches and Ole/Arn were the tag champs for the first 2 years of the group.
I firmly think that if it was "WWE Honors or Appreciation Night of...." it would be more received than flat out stating WWE HOF
ReplyDeleteTheir snubbing of Waldo is a travesty.
ReplyDeleteGreat, now Paul Roma will show up at wrestling conventions with a "WWE Hall of Famer" banner.
ReplyDeleteSo wait they didn't even count ole as a horsemen when they inducted them???? Lol I had no idea, now that's a ruthless fuck you from Vince. Wow ole is such a prick they won't even acknowledge he's an og horsemen? That's both hysterical and incredibly unfair
ReplyDeleteI've never understood the hard-on some fans for pointing out Benoit won't get in the hall of fame. Pretty sure we got it
ReplyDeleteOn WWE.com HOF page, under the Von Erichs, only Fritz, Kerry, Kevin, and David are listed. Not Chris. The Horsemen listed are Flair, Windham, Tully, Arn, and JJ. Not Benoit, Mongo, etc.
ReplyDeleteSo yes, they can be selective, and they should be.
I already have hard knocks, great DVD.
ReplyDelete"Pretty sure we got it". You may have got it, but I wasn't commenting on you. I was commenting about the person who sent Scott the email. And there's many more who still feel Benoit needs to be in the HOF and will continue to post about it, so I will continue to reply to it.
ReplyDeleteDoes it make you feel better to point out something so obvious over and over. We get it, your anti-murder. Good for you. I'm pro-work rate. And guess what, the wwe hof is a carny sideshow work, not a actual thing. So if business ever gets real bad they might do something with him to make a quick buck. Jimmy snuka murdered a young girl, and he's in there.
ReplyDeleteChristie Quinn, and not only will he lose to Quinn, he's now in fourth place in a recent poll. What a dick.
ReplyDeleteDoes it make you feel better to point out your pro-murderer position over and over? We're both posting our same opinions over and over. So what's the difference?
ReplyDeleteWhat if Benoit strangled your kid or someone you care about to death. Or you don't care as long as you don't know the victims? He had great suplexes so that trumps everything else?
And why are you so bothered that Benoit isn't in the HOF. You totally devalue it by calling is "a carny sideshow work, not a actual thing". I actually care about it, and don't think that it should be disgraced by inducting a guy who strangled a 7 year old to death. There are others that shouldn't be in their for various reasons, but that doesn't mean we should add the strangler in there just because of that.
As far as Snuka goes, its not the same situation. The case has been open for 30 years, and the police have never had enough to charge Snuka. That doesn't make him innocent, but in Benoit's case, there is no doubt he killed 2 people. But let's just say Snuka is 100% guilty. That doesn't mean adding Benoit is okay. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Nothing says "hall of fame" like technicalities and pedanticism.
ReplyDeleteWhat Benoit did doesn't make any difference to me because it was probably caused by his degenerative health conditions. Its not a jerry sandusky type situation because it wasn't ongoing behavior, he just snapped. What he did isn't even what keeps the wwe from mentioning him, its that it was probably caused by him being wrestler that makes Vince want him washed from history. So pardon me if I don't jizz all over myself for the wwe banning him from their history, solely because they want to act like treating their performers like circus animals in the 1920's doesn't cause health problems. Benoit was the chickens coming home to roost. Also the wwe hall of fame is a work, its not a legitimate rewardfor outstanding pperformance in a career.
ReplyDeleteIt's not so much that he killed his wife and child, it's that by doing so he hurt Vince's feelings, and unfortunately he's dead and unable to do a Kiss My Ass club segment to make up for it.
ReplyDeletecalling all stations is an ok album. not great, but not horrible
ReplyDeletei remember when phil left and ray came on board
whats funny is that one of the dudes who played drums on the album was nick d'virgilio of spocks beard
when neal morse (vox/keys) left spocks, nick did both vox and drums on albums but they had a genesis-type set up for live shows with another drummer
and then nick left sb
neat coincidence
You don't know why he's not there? Yeah, dude, me neither.
ReplyDeleteThere are just as many issues with Halls of Fame for professional sports as there are with the WWE's. Baseball's Hall of Fame has been a mess for a while now, with members of the BBWAA using the Hall vote to express their personal opinions on former athletes.
ReplyDeleteWe all rip on the WWE Hall of Fame as people who will never ever be a part of it. But it seems like it actually does mean something to the people who have been inducted, so I have no problem with it. It's just something extra for fans to discuss.
I like it. Is it perfect? No. But I just take it as a nice little trip to the past.
ReplyDeleteTwo more than Spiderman gives. (Everyone is complaining about the HOF, and I'm just sitting her masturbating!)
ReplyDeleteAnd what about Marc Valiant? CY$5000 and a spin for those who get this reference.
ReplyDeleteWhat would be scary is that people would start liking Cena over something like that! (cause antiheroes and all)
ReplyDeleteHe'd better use the voice box for his acceptance speech.
ReplyDeleteHuh?
ReplyDeleteTalent-wise, that lineup of Flair/Tully/AA/Windham was the best, but yes, they only lasted 4-5 MONTHS. Guess they wanted to get Barry in there somehow.
ReplyDeleteWrestlecrap, man.
ReplyDeleteThat reminds me of a kind-of joke I made...Vince not letting Savage in the HOF has nothing to do with him banging Steph...it was because he went to WCW without asking, which to him is probably even WORSE.
ReplyDeleteKing Slender should be there! Starman is too much of a jobber.
ReplyDeleteHOF should a selection group that comprises of people who have been prominent and are well respected in the business i.e: Jim Ross, or notable writers like Meltzer or even Scott Kieth himself. The fact that Vince stated that it "exists in his head" is why people hate it so much.
ReplyDeleteI got no problem with Koko being in the HOF. He was a pretty big name in the late 80s/early 90s. Worked a few Manias, had some pretty good matches, and was on the first RAW. I think he earned his spot and having met him a couple months ago, seems like a really nice guy. I'm glad he got his moment.
ReplyDeleteI thought Mike Von Erich would've been given a pass. He had an unbeaten strike!
ReplyDeleteI said this the other day, Vince will do business with anyone as long as there is money to be made. However I just don't see JJ as a fit in the current product. Maybe backstage as an agent/booker but not in ring.
ReplyDeleteNow where do I sign the petition to get Virgil in the HOF. His speech alone would be money.
ReplyDeleteHe's still alive?
ReplyDeleteDave Mustaine can go fuck himself.
ReplyDeleteJason Everman's pretty over it, anyways. Did you read that recent article about him and his military career? Glad he's not bitter about getting fired from Nirvana AND Soundgarden.
ReplyDeleteJesus Christ, let it go. He wouldn't make it in in a real sport, and he is closely associated with the character he played who bears the same name as him. He isn't integral in retelling the history of wrestling, so it doesn't matter. I can't enjoy him anymore, and while it's fine if you do, a publicly-traded company isn't going to promote his midget ass anymore. End of story.
ReplyDeleteBut Vince let Savage go to WCW with his blessing. He even thanked him on Raw for all his service and wished him all the best.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with any of this. Dave Mustaine is not in the Hall of Fame, and he certainly doesn't think he is, according to his book. Can't really make up your own rules for their Hall of Fame, best just stick with what actually happens.
ReplyDeleteNot only is his logic inaccurate for Benoit & the Horsemen, it's not even that accurate for how the R&R HOF works. I don't know about Metallica but I do know for some bands that have had multiple lineup changes, they've only invited some members. When Fleetwood Mac was inducted - they included the famous lineup (Buckingham/Nicks/Fleetwood/McVie/McVie), and the original lineup with Peter Green: but they did NOT induct Bob Welch who was a singer/guitarist/songwriter for them from 1971-1975 (possibly due to a lawsuit he had with Fleetwood and the McVies).
ReplyDeleteNot sure about Metallica - the current guys may have specifically told them not to invite Mustaine.
They have acknowledged him as an 'original' horseman - on the Horsemen and Flair DvDs and other places. They just didn't include him in the HOF.
ReplyDeleteAnd it may have been Ole's decision, not Vince's. Ole is the one who apparently refused to be interviewed for the Horsemen DVD.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm on it!
ReplyDeleteWhat, you mean he wasn't in there already as a member of Power & Glory?????
ReplyDeletewhat am I looking for?
ReplyDeleteForgive the dumb guy, but what's the heat with Dave exactly?
ReplyDeleteHe's one of those crazy republican fuckheads. Like, he thinks all these recent mass shootings were planned by Obama so he can take all our guns, and that's one of least stupid things he's said.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait until they induct the nWo, so you have guys like Virgil, the Harris Twins, and Stevie Ray billing themselves as WWE Hall of Famers.
ReplyDeleteI honestly have more respect for Scott each time I see the e-mails he receives.
ReplyDeleteWrong.
ReplyDeleteLanny Poffo says that the real reason Vince hates Randy is because he took the Slim Jim account with him.
ReplyDeleteUm, WWF still did Slim Jim ads after he left for a while, only Bam Bam starred in the spots.
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