Hey, Mr. Keith, I enjoy your blog and the interaction on there is a lot of fun to read over, too. I did notice something on there, though, when it came to people reacting to the Husky Harris chants that Bray Wyatt was getting. I find it strange that everyone got all angry at those chants, but it's seemingly okay that the crowd did the same things to Orton and Big Show the night after Mania. Why's it okay during a match like that as opposed to Bray Wyatt?
To me, I don't find that much of a difference. I know people have high hopes for Wyatt, and I think that's why people are more upset, but I find it hypocritical to think it's okay for a crowd to get themselves over in one match, but not okay for something else like that.
Because although smart mark etiquette has fallen by the wayside over the years, there used to be a very distinct hierarchy of smart-ass fans until the internet broke down the barriers for good. And the worst kind of people, like the ones who make us embarrassed to be fans, have always been the idiots who sit in the front row and yell real names or former gimmicks at guys like a kid who's just found a new toy. For anyone who's either been online for more than a month or had a subscription to the Observer, it's like "OK, you know he used to have a different name, very good then". If you're going to a show, cheer or boo who you want and chant announcer's names if you want, or sing along with Fandango's music ironically, whatever, but don't ruin it for everyone else by deliberately trying to break the fourth wall. WWE ruins things that way enough by themselves. But maybe that's just me.
Couldn't have said it better.
ReplyDeleteMost everyone in the building has paid for a ticket, which is more than any of us watching at home has sacrificed to watch the show.
ReplyDeleteIf they aren't breaking the law, they should be free to chant whatever they like, smarky smark judgment be damned.
I felt the 'Husk-Y Har-Ris' chants were endearing in nature. people are just fans of the guy, as am I. He should have been on the main roster the whole time.
ReplyDeleteNobody said anybody shouldn't be free to do so, just that people who do it suck.
ReplyDeleteSo Scott Keith is nobody?
ReplyDelete"don't ruin it for everyone else by deliberately trying to break the fourth wall."
I think it's okay when it's apparent from the start a character is going to be awful but the Wyatt thing looks awesome so it was annoying to hear the chants. Chanting a former wrestlers name because you're frustrated with getting an unwanted character shoved down your throat is different than chanting a former gimmick because you want to let the world know you're a jackass smark
ReplyDeletedescribes tensai vs. wyatt, i think
ReplyDeleteWho are you to judge why those people were chanting Husky Harris? Just because you liked it, nobody else is allowed to think that it was the drizzling shits?
ReplyDeleteI can safely say that they were doing it to show they were smart.
ReplyDeleteIt's not much different than taking a kid to a sporting event and having someone near you screaming curse words all game long. It's not illegal, but it's still asshole behavior. And as such deserves to be called out.
ReplyDeleteThat quote doesn't say they aren't free to do so...
ReplyDeleteLOL.
ReplyDeleteAgain he's not suggesting anybody be prohibited from doing it but maybe that they should actually try to enjoy the show instead of needing to show the world how "in the know" they are. What a fascist that Scott Keith is.
ReplyDeleteBut all of people were getting on their case BECAUSE they were trying to enjoy themselves!
ReplyDeleteAre you the kind of guy that goes to see The Rocky Horror Picture Show and tells the people around you to shut up so you can watch the movie in peace?
Public profanity is illegal in many states.
ReplyDeleteStop making fun of things I like! You're ruining everything!"
ReplyDeleteGet a hobby.
Not really the point but okay.
ReplyDeleteIt's someone is screaming curse words, it is against the law, and I agree that it shouldn't be done.
ReplyDeleteWherever shouting is allowed, nowhere in the world is it against the law to shout Husky Harris, so I have no problem with it whatsoever.
Except it isn't against the law *everywhere* so in the areas where no law is being broken, the offending party can do so to their heart's content with zero repercussions. But at the end of the day, it's asshole behavior. So while they are free to do whatever they want within the law, that doesn't prevent others from having a problem with it. Regardless of whether or not they bought a ticket.
ReplyDeleteI don't personally have a problem with the chant, I just don't understand its purpose. Are you voicing displeasure for the current character or the performer? Are you simply attempting to mock the performer? Are you showing off your smark cred? Most chants are pretty self-explanatory. This one, I just don't get.
Really? Fuck, is New York one of those states? Everything else that's any fun is illegal here. Though even if it's not there's still the old dis-con charge.
ReplyDeleteI'd more inclined to agree with you if it wasn't such a common trend with crowds now that they have to remind us of people's previous gimmicks. How long have crowds been chanting "sexual chocolate" at Mark Henry? Or "Albert" at Tensai? This isn't a new thing where crowds bring up people's previous gimmicks.
ReplyDeleteI find it hard to believe that crowd was merely "voicing their opinion" when so many crowds are chanting guys previous names at them.
Like I said last night, I would have absolutely no problem if the crowd just sat on their hands during the segment or if they chanted "this sucks" Instead, it felt like they noticed other crowds chanting "Albert" and decided they wanted to get in on that action.
I'd be interested in what it would be like if this trend started many years ago.
ReplyDeleteAustin is cutting the "Austin 3:16" speech when a Ringmaster chant breaks out.
The Undertaker walks out at Survivor Series 1990 to a Mean Mark Callous chant.
Triple H calls himself the game while people chant Terra Ryzing.
The possibilities are endless!
No one is a fan of Husky Harris.
ReplyDeleteDude, I watched NXT 2 and was PISSED when he got eliminated instead of Alex Riley!
ReplyDeleteThey used to chant "Mr. Perfect" at Curt Hennig during the Nitro days.
ReplyDeleteZana's being a troll because he doesn't like Wyatt and therefore has decided anyone who does like him is wrong. Safe to ignore him on the Wyatt thing.
ReplyDelete" In New York State, it is against the law for anyone “in a public place [to use] abusive or obscene language, or make[] an obscene gesture … with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof.”"
ReplyDeletehttp://christiannews.net/2013/04/18/foul-mouthed-suny-professor-arrested-after-tirade-cursing-out-pro-life-display-as-profane/
I didn't like the chants, kind of killed the moment.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I will say this to the WWE, take the time with your developmental wrestlers before calling them up and giving them a dumb ass name and simply putting them out there with no cause or reason. It may someday come back and bite you in the ass.
Regardless of the stupid chants, Wyatt is killing it so far as that character and look forward to seeing him work. I did find the electric lamp funny though.
Got to agree with Scott on this one, people should have some respect for their fellow audience members and the performers.
ReplyDeleteI've been in a London audience when Angle (as heel) was wrestling Rey and lots of the audience were cheering Angle with old school "lets go Angle" chants. No one was being a jerk or breaking the 4th wall, it was just out of respect to Angle and general frustration at the lame-ass way Rey had been booked as champion. There's a world off difference between that and the Husky Harris stuff when you're just burying new gimmick before its even had a chance to get going.
The sexual chocolate stuff these days I think is more out of affection - pretty well all the Smark crowd respect Henry for what's he's done over the couple of years. Even at the time the sexual chocolate gimmick had a "so bad its good quality" about it,
All that said, its not like the WWE can't predict this might happen especially in places like London or the East Coast which tend to be Smark heavy. Its the same as the crowd chanting "what" - you know its going to happen so plan for it in advance and work it into the promos.
Please, stop trying to change the argument. If someone started screaming racist slurs at, say, R Truth, somewhere where it's not illegal, would you sit here and say "I think that's awesome, I'm totally cool with calling R Truth racist names because it's legal!". That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Nobody here claimed it should be illegal to chant whatever they want, we said they were stupid to do it, and WE have every right to believe that.
ReplyDeleteI do what I do for my own reasons. I will not be pigeonholed into some genre for your convenience.
ReplyDeleteWell that's different, I mean, perfect was the only description for him.
ReplyDeleteDid you read that article or were you trying to be disingenous? It's not illegal to curse unless, and I quote (from the article), "with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof."
ReplyDeleteYou can fucking try again.
Where is that not illegal?
ReplyDeletePeople chanted racial slurs at wrestlers all the time 30 years ago.
With Orton vs. Shemus, the night after 'Mania. WWE got what they deserved.
ReplyDeleteYou can't put two boring wrestlers that most smart fans don't give a damn about in a very long and boring match in front of an extremely "smart" night-after- Wrestlemania crowd, and expect them to be respectful and enjoy the shit that you're making them endure.
I would say real fans of Wyatt would've chanted his new name rather than a name that was a bust and a terrible gimmick. At the least, chant his real name. It had "look at how smart" I am written all over it.
ReplyDeleteI was merely asking for the reason, jackass.
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty much every time you shout a fucking curse word in public.
ReplyDeleteThat blanket statement as you typed it is wrong and you know it. Intent and action go hand and hand with profanity.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm walking down the street and trip and break my leg and scream "fuck", that is not illegal. If I'm protesting and scream "fuck" really loud a lot, you'll get arrested for disorderly conduct and they'll use your language as intimidation.
You fail, sir.
So you agree that it's not illegal to curse, hence "pretty much every time". You lose.
ReplyDeleteI doubt anyone has ever chanted "Tim Curry" during The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
ReplyDeleteI was just about to say the same thing. And anything you do "with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm" would be considered disorderly conduct (at least) anyway, whether or not you're using "abusive or obscene language".
ReplyDeleteBut still, what words are considered "abusive or obscene language"? Is there a list, or is it at the cop's discretion? Does tone of voice matter? Saying "I'm going to fucking kill you!" to a friend in a joking matter and saying it to someone you're abut to punch in the face are to different things.
Zanadude is trying to play lawyer without having a fucking clue of what he's talking about. It's pretty much his M.O., what can you do.
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of what people are saying, people who chant former names aren't funny, however hopefully the WWE can learn a lesson from this and think twice before giving a terrible name to someone in the first place
ReplyDeleteWhere's Fuji? He can probably help here, after all, every black guy is a qualified paralegal. They know the laws and the penalties.
ReplyDeleteHe may be out of the country doing his...well, if I told you, he may have to kill me. ;-)
ReplyDeleteStrawman~!
ReplyDeleteI don't even want to know, man...
ReplyDeleteI like the Bray Wyatt act. That has nothing to do with my argument, regardless of the words you try to put in my mouth.
ReplyDeleteLOL. Please declare yourself the winner if doing so heightens your sense of superiority. That's like shouting HUSKY HARRIS at someone, which is also fine by me.
ReplyDeletePeace out, y'all. Word to your mother.
It only heightens your stupidity in this thread with you incorrect statements and your strawman argument. I'm just calling you out on it, live with it.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so sure, I like/love the concept of Bray Wyatt as an old-time Waylon Mercy mark. I want it to succeed.
ReplyDeleteBut there's definitely some groupthink going on here. Was this blog foaming with outrage at "jackass fans" who chanted "Albert" when Tensai took off his mask? Nope. Nor was Scott annoyed at people "deliberately breaking the fourth wall" then.
But unlike Tensai, this was a gimmick most of us really liked. People laughed when this happened to Albert because most of us didn't care. But after several weeks people were really invested in the Wyatts and to see this happen was disappointing.
I've noticed the same thing happening with DBry after a couple of lukewarm responses. "F these crowds, they are terrible". Do you say the same thing when they're lukewarm about Del Rio? No. Because we feel the crowds should appreciate DBry like we do.
I honestly think we feel the fans are only jackasses/crappy when they do stuff we personally don't agree with. =) Rant ovah...
Welcome to human nature.
ReplyDeleteOh I know it's human nature. But this blog seems to be in heavy denial about it. ;)
ReplyDeleteIt's not exclusive to this blog. I admit, when it happens to guys I like (Wyatt) it bothers me and it didn't bother me with Sweet T. What can I tell you, it's hard to be consistent in fandom.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason I was bothered by the Husky Harris chants was because this is the best character that's come along in years and I'm worried if the chants catch on, it'll end up like Tensai where WWE just give up on him because he's not getting the desired reaction.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Orton and Show are boring and stale, and fuck them.
ReplyDeleteMe too. That's the one part that bums me out about this.
ReplyDeleteI really don't see the big deal here. I mean, it's one thing if people were chanting "Tyler Black" at Rollins (which I wouldn't really have a problem with either), but he WAS Husky Harris on WWE TV. That's what happens when you treat your fans like you think they're stupid. "You're gonna just give him a new name and gimmick and think we won't notice it's the same guy? Fuck that..."
ReplyDeleteFWIW (as I posted above in another reply), I was bummed at the chants for Bray because I think a Waylon Mercy style gimmick had huge potential and he's an amazing character. I'm hoping he turns them around pretty quickly.
ReplyDeleteI can't speak for anyone else but the Albert chants annoyed me too. At least get creative. They should have chanted "grow your back hair" or something like that.
ReplyDeleteWhen I'm at a show, I like to play along myself and just get lost in it. I can block out the truth and just enjoy it as performance art with the current stories and characters.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't go to a play and shout out the actors real names during it.
They've done a good job with this ever since the contest style NXT was ended. Remember some interview where Trips said no one is being brought up anymore without have a plan for their use first. (Bo Dallas is really the only exception I can think of)
ReplyDelete"I wouldn't go to a play and shout out the actors real names during it."
ReplyDeleteThat's not really a fair comparison, a wrestling show is more like a sporting event than a play. Just a totally different crowd, plus plays let you know what the actors real names are anyway. But I agree with your overall point, and what gets me is that many wrestlers absolutely hate that type of shit and most fans know it, yet the continue to do it anyway? Like, why you pay to see people entertain you, then do stupid shit to piss them off? Real life trolls are even worse then internet ones...
I just think people are overreacting a bit here, that's all.
Obviously they thought A-Train had been gone long enough that most wouldn't recognize him....but in Wyatt's case I'm blaming WWE. They put him on television before they have any idea what they're doing with him and before he's ready for a significant role, they give him a ridiculous place holder name, and then they expect you to forget all about it. If they want people to believe the guy is Bray Wyatt, a creepy southern hick, don't put him on television as Husky Harris.
ReplyDeleteDude, you make a great point but.., gestalt thinking sucks and is easy for retards. Don't sweat the gay stuff, man. I think you're on point.
ReplyDeletePay your money, chant what you want. If calling the guy Husky Harris kills him, he sucked to begin with. It is a poor actor who cannot live down former roles.
… really? Ever been to a screening? I mean, they're not straight up "tim curry" holler chants, but every single time I go I hear a "Tim Curry is a god" or "Tim Curry rocks" chant. Every time. Brian Boswick gets one too, often. Sometimes Susan Sarandon gets a "Louise" themed chant (though not as often as I'd like)
ReplyDeleteDon't be butt hurt because society isn't responding the way you like. You're a grown man and should be used to a little chaos now and then. Jesus Christ.
75 comments so far on "Why didn't they chant what I wanted?!?" Gaaaaaay.
"Only rhetorical argument I know the name of!"
ReplyDeleteDude, how is it asshole behavior??? All things being equal, its not unlike the Albert thing. Or worse, the "you fucked up" chant. I mean, as long as we're talking asshole behavior…
ReplyDeleteActually, its the judge's discretion. And no idiot judge is going to hear that case in a city as backlogged as NYC. They don't even bother busting you for smoking a joint there. Get real, not semantic.
ReplyDeleteLegal and enforced are tow different things. Many cities have laws against spitting in the streets (goes back to the tuberculosis days) But no one bothers to enforce it. But its still a law. See the distinction??
ReplyDeleteBe a Star and quit bullying the poor kid.
Tell me, former debate teacher, when precisely does an analogy become a "strawman argument?" I'd argue it is when the audience makes it one.
ReplyDeleteThis guy gets it.
ReplyDeleteI think the big issue was in the mindless way they were chanting it. It wasn't heal heat for Wyatte, which would have almost been acceptable, like the way fans used to chant "Paula" at Paul Orndorff. They weren't antagonizing him. It seemed as though they were simply doing it to say, "this is a guy we've seen before and you can't fool us." So it was completely dismissive of the present angle; it was a chant of protest. We saw the same thing with Tenzai, but in the situation it could have been played off as an antagonistic chant. The Wyatte family was making a statement, they weren't working the crowd. The reaction should have been an awed silence, but instead it was an outright rejection of the whole "repackaging" concept.
ReplyDeleteIt's not the worst action in theory--the fans should be tired of having their intelligence insulted--but it came at the expense of what should have been a genuinely compelling debut. With the front office being as fickle as it is, I'm worried there's genuinely a danger of this stable being retooled now that a vocal majority of fans refused to play along with the Wyatte family concept. Realistically, they'll probably get a couple more chances, but a lot of momentum was sacrificed. Remember Kizarny? WWE doesn't appear to.
Couldn't they acknowledge his history anyway? Say he was so burned out by the failure Punk turned out to be as leader of the Nexus so he went away and became who he is now
ReplyDeleteRacism isn't illegal either, nor is homophobia. That doesn't mean you should run around calling people niggers or faggots.
ReplyDeleteNobody here is saying they shouldn't be free to chant what they want, it's just kinda douchey that they did it and we're just pointing it out. I used to go to indy shows all the time, at one show a wrestler was coming back from neck surgery and having his first match back. He was a face and was wrestling another face in a respect/welcome back match. A few minutes into the match, a group of people started chanting "break his neck". The other wrestler wasn't working the neck by the way. The chant actually spread to half the crowd with the other half, like myself, having better taste. Now, they paid for their tickets, were free to chant whatever they wanted but it was still an asshole thing to do.
ReplyDeleteYou get your "news" from christiannews.net? That seems counterproductive to getting any sort of truth.
ReplyDeleteAnd before I get attacked here, I am not attacking Christians but a website.
Here's my take on why chanting "Husky Harris" is bad and chanting "Tyler Black" or "Jon Moxley" is not. (I agree that chanting Albert at Tensai is equally bad, but I like Harris more, so I actually care)
ReplyDeleteBray Wyatt (so far) is a completely different character than Husky Harris, they have nothing in common beyond being portrayed by the same performer. Tyler Black and Seth Rollins are the same character, Dean Ambrose and Jon Moxley are the same character, the American Dragon Bryan Danielson and Daniel Bryan are the same character. You can fit the indy stuff into canon with their current characters, especially because the commentators have made reference to them being indy stars.
Commentary or promos have made no reference to Wyatt being IRS' kid. So until it's canon, I believe it's impolite to reference it.
And You Fucked Up is a perfectly acceptable chant. If we're supposed to consider Wrestling to be real (as we should when we're at the show) calling the wrestlers out on their mistakes isn't at all violating the suspension of disbelief. Real athletes fuck up, why shouldn't people pretending to be real athletes also fuck up?
Using "gay" as an insult is gay, as it probably points to some unresolved homosexual tendencies you have.
ReplyDeleteThis! When the chants broke out Monday I wasn't OUTRAGED or anything, just slightly annoyed. But my fear is WWE saw that Monday and now are going to depush the whole thing. Or the chants will catch on and that will lead to the audience viewing the gimmick as a joke and WWE depushing them.
ReplyDeleteI can safely say the WWE shows are so bad, I'd probably end up cutting a hole in the bottom of my popcorn and try getting children to eat out of it.
ReplyDeleteFuckin' Cena fans.
I disagree.
ReplyDeleteKind of ironic that the person Wyatt attacked has had not one but TWO repackagings, if indeed the point of chanting a person's old gimmick is to "reject the repackaging concept."
ReplyDeleteWhere were your Isaac Yankem chants, Baltimore smart marks?
I don't see why people should be upset that they gave him a BETTER gimmick though.
ReplyDeleteShould people feel insulted that Isaac Yankem/Fake Diesel got repackaged as Kane?
Certain wrestling fans get worked up by the stupidest goddamn shit.
ReplyDeleteThis. Don't give people stupid fucking names or put them on TV before you have any idea what to do with them.
ReplyDeleteKane also took a ton of time off, and returned under a mask.
ReplyDeleteIn HHH's case, years had passed. And Ringmaster's was more of a gradual transition, with them bringing up his real name, and then announcing it on TV. They never acted like he was a different guy, they just said he had a name change.
ReplyDeleteAre you new to being a part of a fandom of anything? I've seen people get worked up over really stupid things when it comes to something they enjoy. I'm not worked up about it though, I was kinda annoyed by it on raw but that's about it. I'm just worried that because of this WWE will depush the whole thing.
ReplyDeletebecause it makes no sense. there is a reason why supporters of a sports team don't yell "you f..... up!" at their favorites after they had botched a pass/throw/...
ReplyDelete"I'm just worried that because of this WWE will depush the whole thing."
ReplyDeleteMe too. Once some fans chanted "Cena sucks!" it was over for him. Same for "You screwed Matt!"
It's stupid to just present a guy that used to have a different name with no explanation whatsoever though. They explained Axel. They explained Festus.
ReplyDeletePart of the problem is that nobody is allowed to think on their feet and improv anymore. How hard would it of been for Bray to say something like:
ReplyDelete"Husky Harris huh? They used to call me that a long time ago....
Destroy him."
Oh come on, you can't really compare my point to those two chants. Cena was established, and a proven commodity by the time the "Cena Sucks" chants really took off. He moves merch like crazy and the kids love the guy. Edge was also established and while not as huge as Cena was still valuable to the company. Also the "you screwed Matt" chants adding tremendous heat to an already over heel character.
ReplyDeleteNow you have the Wyatt family who are brand new, havent had a chance to prove themselves and haven't (according to how WWE feels and does things) paid their dues. I mean, it won't be the first time WWE changed plans on a new act because they didn't get the immediate right crowd reaction. And if this chant catches on, that'll kill their heat dead and the WWE will cool off on them quick.
Well, fuck that shit.
ReplyDelete"Sue Sarandon!"
ReplyDelete"Clap clap clap-clap-clap"
If he's going to be legit, he'll overcome this. Obviously there enough interest in the guy for fans to go through the trouble of remembering he was Husky Harris.
ReplyDeleteI'm perplexed by the reaction on this blog. People are acting like evil hillbilly Jim is some brilliant gimmick and how dare a crowd shit on that. But go ahead and shit on a sheamus match in the exact same manner, because he once went over Daniel Bryan. Like are we supposed to be in awe because some fatso behind him is wearing a goat mask? Hey he started singing a rolling stones song during a promo in nxt once, like a cliche movie bad guy, you have to treat him with respect!!! Big fat evil hillbilly isn't the nuanced, deep gimmick everyone is acting like it is. Frankly IRS was a better heel gimmick.
ReplyDeleteNo they usually just boo them off the field, see Red Sox/Yankees fans . . .
ReplyDeleteNot at all. Would you go to see Rocky Horror and start chanting all of the names of the characters Susan Sarandon played in other movies? I'm sure nobody would stop you but it'd still be lame
ReplyDeleteThat was the first time I have ever gotten mad at the Smark's even being one. Its not like there was a Johnny Curtis chant when Fandango showed up.
ReplyDeleteThe other thing you have to keep in mind is Vince is about a moody as a woman right now, and if Vince was very Cranky Vince on Monday, he could have ended the gimmick then and there because of what those few people in the crowd did.....
Also, this is only one appearance. Let's see how it plays out.
ReplyDeleteRandy Orton gave Husky brain damage when he punted him off of television?
ReplyDeleteBack in May or so I went to go see 42 and chanted Ha-n So-lo at Harrison Ford for the entire movie. I was pleased with myself :)
ReplyDeleteI agree. Smarks were shouting Cactus Jack at Mankind too. The trick is that Foley sold the Mankind gimmick extremely well. He believed it. Goldust sold his gimmick and made us believe it.
ReplyDeleteBray will do the same. Though I don't think you'll see many more Husky Harris chants in any case. For whatever reason (Maybe we're all the same people?) This issue has crept up on every board with tons of anger. It's bizarre. The entire...ugh...IWC seems to be wildly against the Husky chants.
I mean, I get it. Except that person on the screen isn't there, so I don't think you can exactly correlate the two.
ReplyDeleteI booed A-Rod at the Yankee game the other day and he wasn't even there!
ReplyDeleteDid you find that grossly oversimplifying the gimmick made it as easy to argue against as you were hoping?
ReplyDeleteThat, or the acknowledgement eggs fans on even more, the dumber fans pick up on it, it never ends and the gimmick is totally shot.
ReplyDeleteJust like they depushed Ryback because of "Goldberg" chants? (I mean, they eventually did depush him, but only after a year, and he still is in the upper midcard.)
ReplyDeleteJust like they turned Cena heel after years of boos?
Actually in certain parts of Canada it is...
ReplyDeleteHmmm...he's fat, his gimmick is he's a hillbilly and some guy is wearing a goat mask. Wow man that's sooooo evvvvillll!!!!Sorry to me its another dumb gimmick, but if you enjoy big fatsos doing campy acting more power to you.
ReplyDeleteAlso I love that you said over simplify. Its a wwe gimmick. There isn't a lot of depth to it.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of the time when, maybe, 5 people had high hopes for Chris Harris in the WWE. Then this happened
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17LDYDDPpFA
Or when you bring up a completely different (and useless) point to argue for something just to heighten your stance. It's not an analogy nor was it presented as one. I'm not a debate teacher or a former one, I just listen (or in this case read) the way people argue closely. You'll find plenty of fallacy, kind of like how you said he wrote an analogy.
ReplyDeleteEssentially, you read my posts and ignored the fact that there must be intent when you curse for it to be illegal. I don't think we were talking about enforcement. So either you have reading comprehension issues, are stupid, or both. I'll take Dan Bizzle is an idiot for a thousand, Alex.
ReplyDelete1. Who's "butt hurt"?
ReplyDelete2. I've been to 5 screenings in my life and never heard those chants until AFTER the movie was over. I went during the 80s.
3. I've acknowledged that I wasn't happy with the chants, but nowhere on this or any other thread will you find a post from me saying that people shouldn't scream what they want.
4. You're a fucking idiot.
You may hate him now, but you don't win the '09 series without his cheating ass. Don't remember him getting many boos that year. That would've made the non-WS winning streak pretty long at this point...
ReplyDeleteApparently you've never met Star Wars, Star Trek, Video games, Sports...fans.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the gimmick is not for you and maybe it'll end up being stupid, but he's not playing a "fat hillbilly". That's like saying SES Punk was a "tattoed long hair guy".
ReplyDeleteI'm not kidding that if that happened to me in the theater, I would walk over and punch you in the face. Right in the babymaker.
ReplyDeleteSo what is he playing, a hillbilly Svengali? I don't have an opinion on it but to act like the crowd can't shit on a hillbilly gimmick but is to applauded for shitting on a match with an elite worker like sheamus is confusing to me. I don't get why this gimmick is above having husky Harris chanted at it?
ReplyDeleteYou might as well throw in the towel. Going against the group think is not permitted here...
ReplyDeleteand then raped Kidman
ReplyDeleteHe's not being atroll... he disagrees with the masses here and is stating such... going against the collective here is not tolerated however and gets you incorrectly labeled a troll...
ReplyDelete(see "What?" Austin, Steve)
ReplyDeleteEh, for me, the Albert chants didn't bother me because formerly being Albert didn't really do damage to the character. We were told he was a guy who went over to Japan, became a big deal (or, at the very least, became a mark for the culture) and came back as Tensai. They didn't say he used to be Albert, but they did say he used to be in WWE, so chanting Albert at the guy seemed like a not-entirely-inappropriate place for fans to go in trying to rile him up in kayfabe.
ReplyDeleteBut with Bray Wyatt, this is an entirely separate character. Unless we're saying that Orton kicking him in the head and sending him on his way two years ago led to a wholesale reinvention of his personality, I see no use for "Husky Harris" chants other than for fans to get themselves over by breaking the fourth wall. It's like the "Goldberg" chants with Ryback, but more irritating.
Seriously though. Ford was fantastic in that movie. Forget Robinsons plight I wanted to see more of Branch Rickey
ReplyDeleteYou made a fair point but even back then we never really liked him. Mostly we just tolerated him.
ReplyDeleteI'm annoyed that fans did that shit during the Wyatt segment, yet fans seemed totally into the Job Evaluation segment. I mean, they're well within their right to have enjoyed the latter more than the former, but it's just depressing that WWE might be discouraged from giving us more interesting, original gimmicks in favor of more GM Wars and McMahons vs. McMahons, simply because a few fans just had to let the world know they recognized a guy from two years ago had been repackaged.
ReplyDeleteWell, if you're a fan of the guy, chant for his new gimmick. Don't handicap him right out the gate by risking the chant catching on and killing the gimmick, a la Tensai.
ReplyDeleteUnless you want him to be the third member of Tons of Funk.
* Raises Hand *
ReplyDeleteMeh they didn't change their plans for the very vocal post Wrestlemania crowd I doubt they will for these goobers.
ReplyDeleteThe difference is the crowd doing the wave and shitting on an Undertaker match after he's been around for 15 years isn't really going to derail the character. The crowd chanting "mean mark" during his tv debut at the 1990 survivor series could have had management say "forget this guy, he's not worth it" and killed the gimmick right there. There's a line between "insulting our intelligence" (see tensai) and giving someone a fresh start (isaac yankem with dark hair and a mask= brand new guy). If Bray came out looking just like he did as Husky Harris, then the chants would be less "we're smart we know who he used to be" and more "hey even my friend who doesn't follow wwe on the internet knows who that is"
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, Tensai should have debuted with a mask and wrestling gear that would hide his body. Probably would have saved him from dancing every week
Smart fans want The Wyatt Family to succeed. Hearing the chants, we immediately envisioned Vince second guessing the whole gimmick as a result and that it was dead before it even started. We don't care what happens to Tensai, so it's okay to chant "Albert" at him. I think that's the underlying feeling, that it will jeopardize their push. What if they chanted "Waylon Mercy?" or "Charlie Manson?" Would that be funny, then?
ReplyDeleteI think it's interesting, because I saw several "IRS Jr." comments here during the Monday Night thread. That's okay? Oh, Vince won't hear it backstage and decide to job them out. I get it.
I also find it odd that some things that smart fans do are okay, such as essentially heckling Fandango the night after WrestleMania. But for a week afterward, the entire IWC was saying he was a huge star because one crowd chanted his absurd theme song to make fun of him.
Bret Hart was our guy until he hugged Shawn in the ring and we realized HBK wasn't a pill popping asshole anymore and gave us many great matches. Then Bret was the bitter man he always has been.
It's impossible to determine what is acceptable, I guess.
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ReplyDeleteAs much as I hate smart / mark fans and how they can ruin a show because they make it about themselves. They still pay for their tickets and, as consumers, have a right to chant what they want on a wrestling show as long as it is not offensive or derogatory.
ReplyDeleteThe fans chanting "Husky Harris" did nothing wrong other than ruin an on air wrestling character's debut; I cannot treat that as fans yelling fire in a crowded theater. It's not.
u-huh, but you still don't win without him, so you can say whatever you want know, but he was beloved in '09.
ReplyDeleteNice use of Svengali, points.
ReplyDeleteSee, I felt the crowd was into him. There are pretty audible pops for the group when they come out. The chants came in at the very end of the segment and it reeked of "look how smart we are".
The gimmick is more layered, as far as pro wrestling goes, than just a hillbilly. He's more of a cult leader. Think Manson. Funny enough, think SES Punk. In this case, he happens to maybe live in the swamps of Louisiana. I don't automatically make him Hillbilly Jim.
I disagree....I think its absolutely hilarious when they chant "Husky Harris"......
ReplyDeletea) It just points out the ridiculousness of the WWE naming system, which is often times insulting to the fans (though they dont listen to the WWE Universe anyway....unless its on some twitter poll)
b) It shows that at least they are invested in the product. I hate to say it, but when that got a bigger response (SHOCKINGLY) than Daniel Bryan did at the end of the show, I cringed.
As far as clever chants go, nobody tops the ridiculous ECW arena chants back in the day
ReplyDeleteIt's a strange twist on classic nerd phenomena, where people like to be contrarion just for the sake of it. Wrestling is the one genre of entertainment where people like to be overly critical of the inner workings, despite having only an outside working knowledge. I think it's a lot of fun to have some idea what is going on behind the scenes and brainstorming/re-booking interesting storylines, but I do agree with the Jericho's of the world who have said the internet ruined the element of suspense and surprise.
ReplyDeleteYeah, fair point. Maybe if they hadn't given him a retarded name the first time, fans wouldn't be so apt to chant it
ReplyDeleteI called him a troll because when I said "I THOUGHT the debut was great", he threw a fit claiming I declared it amazing and everyone else was wrong. When people in here expressed annoyance, he ranted about how dare we want it to be illegal to chant Husky Harris. That's troll behavior. Intentionally changing the argument of someone and then continuing to do so when they point out you're mistaken is exactly what a troll does.
ReplyDeleteYep, it's as if we only like things until WWE gives their actual stamp of approval to them (i.e. Benoit, Hart, Fandango, Shield, and I'm afraid maybe even Daniel Bryan)
ReplyDeleteWe talk ad nauseum about how little WWE listens to the fans. . .yet we're worried they may change a guy's push based on listening to what a few fans chanted?
ReplyDeleteI hope Bryan is pinned four times by Cena on RAW, so we can back to agreeing on what we complain about.
ReplyDelete/Couldn't give a shit about one-off fan chants. If the gimmick will work, it will work. It won't, but i'm just basing that off the 7,000 things that have failed previously.
LOL @ all these prissy fans complaining at what the crowd chants. Who cares? ECW was great for this reason. Would you guys have preferred NO reaction?
ReplyDeleteCollective? LOL! There are just as many people that agree with him as there are that disagree. I guess it makes you feel better if you think you're being "persecuted" or something ridiculous. This is a healthy debate, nothing more.
ReplyDeleteStop fucking overthinking it already, people. I guarantee that no one in the world cares that some dweebs (and not necessarily smart marks, its not like you need a dirtsheet to know that's the same guy) called this guy Husky Harris. And for what its worth, acknowledging it is a bad idea. It just turns him from a genuine character into another guy trying to put over a fake gimmick. It never works; I even thought it was lmae when Raven did it. Just brush it under the rug. At most, do a veiled cryptic reference: "I was once a lamb, following false prophets. But Bray Wyatt is a man reborn in the light!" Hangs a lampshade on it for all the anal retentives like you guys, and doesn't shoot his character down.
ReplyDeleteThere's always room for 1 more in Tons of Funk if people keep chanting Husky Harris like they did Albert.
ReplyDeleteLess time off than Bray Wyatt. Husky Harris hasn't been on WWE TV in over 2 years. Kane went from Fake Diesel to Kane in 9 months.
ReplyDeleteSo if Bray Wyatt was wearing a mask it would be different?
WWE could have easily kept his name as husky harris and simply said he got depressed after his first run so he went wandering into the wilderness and met those other guys and became the harris family. Trying to say Bray Wyatt is a totally different person to husky harris is very insulting to our intelligence. And please don't compare it to undertaker because he changed company from wcw to wwf so the gimmick change was ok.
ReplyDeleteYeah... shoulda just said "nerds"!
ReplyDelete"I would walk over and punch you in the face. Right in the babymaker."
ReplyDeleteThat's some Jim Ross-level metaphor mixing right there. to quote Judge Smails, "Next time, be more careful!"
They could do that, but it wipes out all the backstory of the Bray Wyatt character and makes it extremely forced to try to explain how the lame-o Husky became a cult leader. It doesn't serve the character AT ALL, all it does is placate some marks who are still a little pissy about wrestling being fake and can't accept a wrestler playing a new character.
ReplyDeleteThey could do that, but it wipes out all the backstory of the Bray Wyatt character and makes it extremely forced to try to explain how the lame-o Husky became a cult leader. It doesn't serve the character AT ALL, all it does is placate some marks who are still a little pissy about wrestling being fake and can't accept a wrestler playing a new character.
ReplyDeleteUmmm, Hillbilly was pretty great. Like, arguably one of the best ever.
ReplyDeleteI'm just a little uncomfortable with how Hillbilly Jim's name is being bandied about as though it were an insult here. "Don't Go Messing with a Country Boy" used to generate some of the largest pops ever, arguably.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree that hillbillly Jim was very over, especially with the kids. He had some fun midget matches and stuff. I just think hillbilly gimmicks-work better as goofy fun things than something that is so serious you can't chant husky Harris at it.
ReplyDeleteIt is even more forced to try and say that he is a different person altogether. He has the same body and face as husky harris. Many people had gimmick/name changes but they always acknowledged it was the same person. The Ringmaster publicly changed to Stone Cold Steve Austin. More recently with Curtis Axle they explained the name change. What they are doing with Wyatt is sly and they are taking us for complete fools (more so than usual).
ReplyDeleteRegarding the train of thought that they should have Wyatt acknowledge on TV that he was Husky Harris: they're two different characters that just happen to be played by the same guy. Within kayfabe, Bray Wyatt doesn't HAVE to have been Husky Harris (as some seem to have implied), and I think the character works better if he wasn't. If he came out with a long-winded explanation about how he was in Nexus and the SES and got disillusioned with following Punk and decided to become a leader himself blah blah blah, I think that ruins a lot of his mystique. I think he works a lot better as a character that has never been in WWE before - just some creepy backwoods cult leader that nobody knows much about.
ReplyDeleteAnd what true crowd favorite has that chanted at them? It's usually heels or not over faces that get that chant.
ReplyDeleteCM Punk doesn't get "You Fucked Up" chants. Even when he does botch.
Wait, it's been 2 years since Harris? I haven't been watching much. That makes it worse, I agree.
ReplyDeleteBut no, the mask probably wouldn't make much difference, as it's clearly Smark fans. No casual fan would even remember Harris after that length of time.
Yeah, Orton punted him in the buildup to Punk vs. Orton at Wrestlemania 27 in 2011, and we haven't seen him since.
ReplyDeleteHe continued to work as Husky Harris in FCW for about a year after that but obviously that's different than being on the main roster.
Say what - which team do you support? They say that and a whole lot worse a football match in Britain.
ReplyDelete"Trying to say Bray Wyatt is a totally different person to husky harris is very insulting to our intelligence."
ReplyDeleteThey ARE different characters, though. It's not insulting to say that Bray Wyatt and Husky Harris are not the same character.
Love the character and them coming out with the lantern was great in adding creepiness to it all, but they should have laid Kane out with some high impact finishers and dragged him out DEAD to do the stair spot. As far as the Husky chants go, who cares? Christ, 30 years later there are people still cheering for Hogan..what's worse than that?
ReplyDeleteNothing unresolved about it. I'm about as full blown homosexual as it gets. Not sure why you're painting that as a bad thing though…
ReplyDeleteBut I have to say, I am soooooo lucky to have a guy like you around to make sure no one says anything that you THINK will offend me. See, being as I'm gay, I'm completely unable to defend myself or decide what I should find offensive to me and my orientation. Thank god you're here patrolling the internet or er might have rampant homosexuality in cyber space. Hell, next thing you know, I just might have a redneck and his buddies try to hammer my head flat for the audacity of coming into a straight bar. But again, we have you to make sure no one says gay. Good on you!
And here's a pro tip for you, retard. The only people who give a shit about using the word "gay" as an insult are white heterosexuals. The queer community could give a shit less. We're too busy giving our friends shit by calling them fags. But sorry if the word offends your sensibilities.
You, my friend, have been to 5 very lame screenings if that's true. Sorry. You should go again, might be a livelier crowd.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, I am pretty fucking dumb. Don't know why, could be congenital, could be I was dropped on my head as a kid, could be all the drugs I took back in the day. Hell, could be because I was ripped on blow when I wrote that. So yeah, I am quite stupid. But you, buddy, are a fucking retard. And thats worse on the stupidity gradient.
What gives it away that you're a retard? Possibly because you're arguing how awful it is that we're calling a pro wrestler a name you don't like (while it is perfectly fine if we do it to wrestlers you don't like… go figure… ) and you believe that you can hide behind your implication that people shouldn't do that by saying "well, I never SAID they couldn't call him that." That is flat out retarded. Worse, its disingenuous and dishonest. But thats just an idiots opinion, what do I know?
They are different characters I agree but you've missed my point. Stone Cold was a different character to the Ringmaster however he made the evolution publicly. Here WWE are trying to say that this is literally a different person which is taking things a bit too far.
ReplyDelete"They don't even bother busting you for smoking a joint there."
ReplyDeletetell that to my criminal record.
All my gay friends (I know that's cliche to use but I do have gay friends) all seem bothered when gay is used as an insult. Thats where it came from. If I offended you I'm sorry.
ReplyDeleteWrong answer. Correct answer is "well, it sucks that you're offended, but thats ok, you'll get over it. Its how life works. You don't get an Excused From Being Offended card, after all."
ReplyDeleteWork on it.
love the character a waylon mercy/charles manson-esque cult leader and he actually outcrazies manson
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