I know everyone was building up Weidman before the fight but I don't think anyone actually expected someone to knock out Silva's cocky ass after his clowning. During the first round while Silva was doing his bullshit after getting his ass kicked for the first few minutes, I was practically yelling at Weidman to take him down and make him pay for being such an ass, and then he just KNOCKED HIM THE FUCK OUT instead. Silva may be great, possibly the greatest ever, but you can only stick your chin out so many times before someone is going to hit you and end it. That was truly a historic moment and probably the greatest finish I've seen. You literally couldn't have scripted a more poetic end to Silva's run. Good thing my actual money WASN'T on Silva after all tonight.
Congratulations Weidman, you've just made yourself the biggest star in MMA.
These past few Sliva fights have seemed like he was just looking for a good death. He found one tonight.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to get roasted for this, but I honestly feel that Silva threw that fight in a round about way. He practically admitted it in the post-fight.
ReplyDeleteI agree. He was bored with UFC and was basically asking to be put out of his misery and has been for some time.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but even Silva trying to throw a fight is still good enough to beat almost anyone in the sport.
ReplyDeleteWhat was even more bizarre about the fight was the promo by Silva afterwards. It was like he wanted to be beaten, but not make it look like someone was more talented than him... just beat himself. Doesn't want the rematch so we'll never know if Weidman was really better, and he can move on to superfights. Kind of like the serial killer who wants to be caught. So weird!
ReplyDeleteFor some reason I don't see Taker using this fight as the template for his match at WM30.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. It was basically his way of passing the torch to the younger talent to take over the title picture.
ReplyDeleteIt was like every great fucking wrestling match you've ever seen, with the cocky heel showboating, but getting caught by the plucky babyface after one too many taunts.
ReplyDeleteIt's crazy to say but I feel like that too. Chris Weidman absolutely deserves credit for knocking him out. Weidman came in and did what he needed to do given the situation.
ReplyDeleteI just have a weird feeling Silva wanted to lose.
Fair to say that this is the most surreal fight I've ever seen. I think "Was Montreal a work" has just been replaced by "Did Silva throw the fight" as the conspiracy theory.
ReplyDeleteSilva was going, "Australia! America! Australia! America!". The Weidman punched him, and informed him that, in America, they don't tolerate that crap.
ReplyDeleteBiggest title change on July 6th: Goldberg defeating Hollywood Hogan or Weidman defeating Silva?
ReplyDeleteI can't wait for WWE to replicate this, only with Cena kicking out and giving Henry an AA a minute afterwards.
ReplyDeleteIt'll be interesting to see if Dana will/can convince Anderson to change his mind because the second the fight was over, my immediate thought was 'Oh my god, this rematch is going to do MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!' ... but then Anderson cut his promo that pretty much ended that.
ReplyDeleteGiven that Punk and Heyman were going nuts on Twitter during the whole deal, you'd have to think they'll desperately try to find a way to steal that finish ASAP.
ReplyDeleteWe'll see....Goldberg's win ultimately meant nothing. Weidman could be a big star.
ReplyDeleteWe could only be so lucky.
ReplyDeleteWeidman should come right and challenge Silva. Act offended that Silva didn't take him seriously.
ReplyDeleteGoldberg wasn't a big star?
ReplyDeleteThe more I think about it the more I'm believing Silva threw the fight or something to that degree. There has to be more to this story. Either that or I'm just in disbelief and denial, which is completely possible.
ReplyDeleteHogan wasn't undefeated for 7 years in a real sport. Weidman over Silva *has* to be bigger on those grounds alone.
ReplyDeleteI think the poster means that the win wound up meaning nothing because the title run itself wasn't memorable, Goldberg's heat started to decline after the win in part due to the lack of intriguing opponents and because despite a very brief ratings win, WWF just continued to kick WCW's butt until they purchased the company.
ReplyDeleteTotally threw the fight. This ain't boxing and he was doing it with his eyes closed. If he gets hit, he's going down, and if he's going down, he gets hit some more. Maybe he though he'd have a hard time winning and took the path of least resistance, but that's pretty terrible business there.
ReplyDeleteHis eyes were closed, if he gets touched, he's probably going down. You're not winning shit bobbing around like that blind. He's not Neo. And Neo wasn't real.
ReplyDeleteIf Silva WAS going to throw a fight, he would have done it against Sonnen because then the rematch would have probably done legit 1.5 million buys. Plus you don't throw a fight by letting someone knock you into the middle of next week. Occam's razor applies here: He was being a cocky asshole like in all his other fights, and this time someone called him on it and knocked him out.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's what I meant. WCW went out of business, and the decline started around the time Goldberg won the belt, say what you will. I'm not saying it was because Goldberg won the belt they started to decline, he obviously was the biggest star WCW had, but they booked him like shit.
ReplyDeleteI don't know. From 1984-1998 how many times did Hogan lose? In Anderson's MMA career he has lost 5 times. I'm guessing they are pretty close. Okay that's probably an exaggeration but the aftermath has to be taken into account too. If Weidman doesn't catch on as a draw or loses his next fight I think Goldberg wins.
ReplyDeleteYou're probably right, but the throw-the-fight theory is SO much easier for me to swallow right now.
ReplyDeleteTwo separate points.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I hope happened. Silva throwing the fight is a thought but what I truly hope happened is that Anderson got what he finally deserved for being a clown. I've hated that hands down, waking arm waving inflattable guy routine for years and FINALLY and the Rock means...FINALLY got caught. Hallelujah.
ReplyDeleteASAP as in Brock/Punk at Summerslam?
ReplyDeleteHogan had lost the belt to both Luger and Sting in the previous 12 months. If you look at Hogan's entire career, I can somewhat see your point, but Silva had never lost the strap and he had never been KO'd. That's pretty big IMO. Regardless of how Weidman pans out.
ReplyDeleteAndre, Warrior, Mountie, Lugar... was Arn before then? That's all I can think of...
ReplyDeleteThe theory I've heard most so far is not so much that Silva threw the fight (and like Scott said, you're not going to purposely get KO'd), but that Silva just didn't care about the result and just did whatever he wanted. Basically just fucking around because he "knows" he's the best. That would explain his lack of desire for a rematch when he didn't get his ass kicked for 25 minutes or anything.
ReplyDeleteHe took two punches. It wasn't like you said, he went for 25 minutes and just danced around and took some shots. He might not even have gotten tagged that badly with the first one. Just what he was doing means you go down.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt about it. Weidman's win is huge.
ReplyDeleteI think that finish would require an additional fee. "Brock toys with Punk, toys too much, gets kicked in head, must sell like death, Punk wins."
ReplyDeleteProbably not going to happen.
Piper, IIRC
ReplyDeleteWhat if Weidman ends up losing the title in his first defense?
ReplyDeleteNo doubt. I remember this time last year, the subsequent RAW match between Punk and Bryan had a spot where Punk missed a spinning back-fist and Bryan kneed him in the chest.
ReplyDelete2013 is Silva's "worst year ever". Weidman will lose 5 non-title matches in a row before losing the title in his first defense.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely don't think Anderson threw the fight, I just don't think he really cared if he won or lost.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely do think that if Anderson had taken this fight seriously he destroys Weidman. He got off his back in the first w/out taking too much damage, defended against the takedown in the second and was picking him apart in the stand-up when he wasn't clowning.
It just sucks that the guy who finally dethroned the king already has so many "what ifs" hanging over his head. If/when Silva comes back I just don't know what super fights people are going to care about. He got knocked out and looked like a dick in the process.
ReplyDeleteAlso, watching the press conference almost all of the conversation centers on Anderson's toying with Weidman as opposed to Weidman's victory.
ReplyDeletewell yeah. it's not like he won in dominating fashion or anything. it certainly makes a rematch very interesting.
ReplyDeleteSo Weidman will lose the title to Vitor Belfort after Shogun sticks a cattle prod through the Octagon fence?
ReplyDeleteWe already saw that finish, basically, in Cena/Lesnar. Brock got cocky and went for the jump off the steps again, Cena hit him with the chain and went on to win the match.
ReplyDeleteSilva might've preferred to "throw" the fight to a respectable guy like Weidman rather than to a guy who had repeatedly insulted Silva, his wife and Brazil as a whole.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I don't think Silva threw his fight by any means. I think he simply didn't take Weidman seriously at all, and paid for it.
SILVA VS. TAKER WRESTLEMANIA XXX
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e84-FYgFLA
ReplyDeleteSILVA/SHIBATA WRESTLE KINGDOM '13
ReplyDeleteThat's the only way this works, because I don't see Silva coming out and challenging Weidman if what he said during his post-fight interview was any indication.
ReplyDeleteIs there any money in Sivla v. Jones now that Silva's been knocked out?
Arn beat Hogan in 1996.
ReplyDeleteThis remind anybody else of Ali/Liston?
ReplyDeleteWiedman's victory was as dominating as it needed to be. He won the 1st round and knocked him cold in the 2nd. Pretty dominating, I'd say.
ReplyDeleteNo one threw anything. Anyone who suggests otherwise either didn't watch what actually happened and/or has never watched an Anderson Silva fight.
ReplyDeletehe only won because silva was fucking around too much. didn't get the job done on the ground and it literally took silva laying down for him before he could finally catch him. he got him, yes, but what would've happened if silva actually came in and fought seriously against him? we'll see, i guess.
ReplyDeleteSilva said in the post-fight press conference that the "playing around" was a part of his game plan. He was trying to lure Weidman in to finish him. He said he trained 4 months to win and his game plan didn't work. To some extent Anderson always toys with his opponents. This time it didn't work.
ReplyDeleteWhat actually happened was him fucking around bobbing and weaving like a drunk, with his eyes closed. It's not so much directly "throwing" a fight, it's a "I don't give a shit what happens" attitude. If he's done it to that degree before, and hasn't gotten knocked down, he's either a lucky son of a bitch or no one in UFC can actually box. Difference is, in boxing, that's a standing 8 count and a "my bad!". In MMA that's a flying fistdrop to the mouth.
ReplyDeleteIf he pulled that shit with a boxer they'd be scraping him off the mat.
No, he actually got hit. His eyes were open then.
ReplyDeleteThis does nothing for Weidman. This "win" makes him look like a chump...or like one of those Divas who take advantage of a distraction to get a cheap rollup win.
ReplyDeleteBROCK VS SILVA WRESTLEMANIA XXX.
ReplyDeleteSo why does Scott love this after shitting on the Cena/Brock finish?
ReplyDeleteA week after Flair pinned him. It was the worst year of his life!
ReplyDeleteI feel like anyone who says Anderson didn't care or he threw the fight has never actually watched an Anderson Silva fight before. He does this toying around ALL THE TIME. He's done it for years. It just so happens that this time he got caught.
ReplyDeleteHe even said in his post-fight press conference that the toying around was part of the game plan. Weidman had him beat on the ground. So Silva decided to get in his head and keep the fight standing. Unfortunately, unlike when he was in the ring with guys like Maia or Bonnar, Weidman was able to catch him and make him pay.
I haven't watched a Silva fight for YEARS before tonight. I'm assuming his "fooling around" is a gameplan to try to get his opponents to over punch and open up so he can counter attack? Can someone tell me if he always does this? It obviously must work since he hasn't lost in forever?
ReplyDeleteReal sport lol.
ReplyDeleteLike I read somewhere else: if Silva wins a rematch it will be like this fight never happened.
ReplyDeleteHe won the first round, but hardly dominated. Yes, he got Silva on his back...but didn't do any real damage and Anderson got the fight back to standing. And Silva was clearly winning the striking battle until he got caught.
ReplyDeleteit's totally out of his character, never done it before.
ReplyDeleteSo how long until the "Self Destruction of The Ultimate Weideman" comes out?
ReplyDeleteThread Jack: On this day in 1996, "you fans can stick it brother." Hogan joins Scott Hall and Kevin Nash at WCW's Bash at the Beach (7/6.96)
ReplyDeleteRougeau was in 97 or 98.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see that though. One thing we haven't really seen is Taker coming into Mania as a heel, acting cocky that he can't be beaten at Mania. Of course, that would have to involve the Streak ending, and the babyface he pulls it on would be Cena.
ReplyDeleteReal Sport!
ReplyDeleteSilva is an asshole. Happy he finally lost.
ReplyDeleteMaia, Leites, Forrest, Bonnar...
ReplyDeleteThe rematch absolutely has to happen, the chances of a Silva/GSP or Silva/Jones "dreamfight" were all but killed with this result, Silva/Weidman II is the next best thing. On Meltzer's post-show podcast he speculated that they would do it in Newark the night before the Superbowl and possibly attract the second biggest buyrate in company history. The second part seems like a bit of a stretch but the buzz coming off of this show is pretty off the charts. He also mentioned that Belfort was constantly texting Dana during the show begging for the next shot with White simply responding "rematch",
ReplyDeleteI don't think Silva threw the fight. As others have pointed out, he's done the showboating thing many times before - this time he just got caught.
ReplyDeleteThat being said (and as much as it annoys me because I was loving the streak gimmick) isn't this a pretty much perfect way for him to lose the belt without losing heat? Silva's not got too many fights left in him - this makes a new star in Weidman to carry the Middleweight division, and frees Silva up for superfights with Jones etc.
A Jones superfight loses some lustre without the undefeated streak on Silva's side, sure, but Anderson lost it by dicking around not by being outclassed. There's no sense from that fight that he's any less skilled, 'lost-a-step', whatever, than before - just that he was an incredibly arrogant ass who made a stupid cocky mistake. I still think Silva-Jones has plenty of appeal... Just me?
He pulled that shit against Thales Leites and Demian Maia, possibly Patrick Cote (don't remember because that ended in an injury). Anderon's had that coming for awhile.
ReplyDeleteAlso, to an extent, in the finish to the first Rock/Cena match.
ReplyDeleteCompletely ignorant post. Silva toyed with 10's of opponents before like he di last night. Weidman was the first to catch him and KO him.
ReplyDeletenever showed off once in any of those.
ReplyDeleteThat's how Silva fights, and his style has led to arguably the greatest MMA career in history. Did that style bite him in the ass? Absolutely. But now that things didn't go his way doesn't suddenly mean he didn't care about the outcome. Of course he did. Its just that what has always worked in the past didn't work in this fight.
ReplyDeleteAnd boxing is apples and oranges. I suspect he wouldn't act that way in a boxing match. You can get away with different things in an MMA fight cause the threat of the other disciplines is always at play - will this lead to a takedown? will he clinch and get me in a thai plum or dirty box me?
I say the knockout blow was that sweet pimp slap he landed before the left hook
ReplyDeleteYea, Silvas an ass but it seems like the "goofing around" is a ploy to get his opponents to over punch or over commit, allowing him to counter attack. This time he got fucked up on it.
ReplyDeleteFor all those saying "he threw the fight", no way. If he legit was gonna throw the fight I guarantee you it wouldn't have been like that.
Biggest star in MMA? Overreact much? I mean, yeah he's huge now, no doubt. But the biggest?
ReplyDeleteYeah, GSP is the biggest star, by a huge margin.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'd suggest as well.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, this might actually make the potential Silva/GSP match even bigger. Even though it's always been a "dream match" in terms of name power, I think almost everyone assumed Silva would (somewhat) easily defeat GSP since Silva's unbeatable. But now? This creates a little more doubt on Silva's side about his ability to beat GSP. I think he'd still win but it's now easier to sell people on GSP having a legit shot at defeating the no longer unbeatable Silva.
ReplyDeleteIt dampens the potential Silva/Jones fight because I think people were already slightly favoring Jones and now this pushes things more in Jones' favor, but if UFC can do Silva/GSP first with Silva winning and then do Silva/Jones (or a middleweight fight for Silva in between as he goes back up in weight since the Silva/GSP fight would be at a catch weight) where Silva would have most of his heat back coming off the heels of a win over GSP.
Weidman clearly won the 1st. Threatened subs and landed several good shots from the top. Silva landed 3 leg kicks in the 2nd round. 3 leg kicks. That was the extent of the striking he landed. Silva's posturing may make it seem like he was dominating, but it's just not the case.
ReplyDeleteI think it's crazy to say that's the only reason he won. Silva was fucking around so much, in part, because Weidman had him in trouble on the ground and he wanted to bully Weidman into keeping it standing. It was a reaction to success Weidman had already had in the fight.
ReplyDeleteWeidman beat him. He is that good.
I honestly think he kind of looks like a chump, and a fluke... which I think was intentional on Silva's part.
ReplyDelete"Completely accurate post."
ReplyDeleteFIFY
Uh, yeah he did. The exact same way...
ReplyDeleteI think that might've been the point.
ReplyDeleteMake Silva be an underdog for once.
You can put all the superfight talk to rest. Still going through with the Jones fight (GAP was never happening, he's basically said he wants no part of it) is the MAN equivalent of Brock losing in the 02 KOTR to TEST and then still getting the title shot at KOTR anyway. Our Goldberg bobbing the steak to Villano IF on the Thunder before the Hogan match. Not happening. The entire appeal was that neither of them had any challenges left at their respective classes so all that was left was each other. Unfortunately for business and us as fans that's all been rendered moot now.
ReplyDeleteNow that I think about it, they already did something similar with heel Taker and Maven at the 02 rumble. I was going to say that Cena can't pull this off, but he already did against Brock last year. Give Taker 99% of the offense and a few "pick him up at the 2 count to continue the beating" tactics and you'd have at least half the staduim rooting for Cena
ReplyDeleteThe problem is Anderson Silva is really good and after he won the title he was looking so good and getting so much hype that almost everyone who fought him was clearly afraid of him in the ring. I think he started to get bored and his cautious early fight strategy devolved into screwing around.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. I think Silva was momentarily stunned, and NOT pretending to be hurt.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm Weidman, I'd take lessons from Sonnen on promos and get Silva so pissed off he's BEGGING for the rematch.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I've hated Silva for years. He's one of these guys that's all about respect, yet he does all this showboating in the ring. So that's his strategy? Well you can say the same thing about Sonnen's promos that are oh so disrespectful. Silva is a clown and he got caught on his bullshit, but he has so many nuthuggers that people are talking about the fight being fixed. These are some of the same people that hated Brock because he came from pro wrestling.
ReplyDeleteWell said. I think he's trying to bait his opponent to over punch or over attack so they open themselves up for a big counter attack but he's just to good to do that shit. I'm glad he got caught once.
ReplyDeleteThere was an article on Bleacher Report discussing the difference between MMA fighters and boxers when it comes to striking with their hands.
ReplyDeleteMMA guys always alternate their punches, left to right or right to left. Boxers double and triple up the punches they throw with one hand. The pimp slap was the second consecutive right he threw at that moment and I think it messed him up big time.
The left hook was going to KO him regardless.
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ReplyDeleteI don't get it either, man. lol
ReplyDeletethe comment that anderson silva "totally" never does that was sarcasm. sorry, people.
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