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The SmarK Rant for TNA Destination X

The SmarK Rant for TNA Impact – 07.18.13 (Destination X)

Live from Louisville, KY

Your hosts are Mike Tenay & Jeremy Borash.

Bully Ray joins us, and all week long he’s only been hearing about Chris Sabin. Perhaps because he’s one of the few who haven’t been fired yet. So he brings out Brooke, and she’s all “You should move on, Mark” because it’s a SHOOT. Or something. Hulk Hogan joins them and he’s had enough of Bully.

Bound For Glory Series: Bobby Roode v. Austin Aries

Sadly, it appears that Aries’ mustache was unable to come to terms on a new contract and was let go. Their cheat-fu is evenly match to start, but Roode gets backbreaker to put Aries on the apron. He tries a suplex back in, but Aries escapes with knees and follows with a dive to the floor. Back in, Roode catches him coming off the top and follows with a clothesline off the apron to take over. We take a break and return with Roode in control as they slug it out on the top rope. Aries wins and follows with a 450, but it only gets two. They brawl onto the ramp as Aries dives onto him, and comes back in with a missile dropkick. They trade suplex attempts and Aries gets a rollup, reversed into the crossface by Roode. They trade near-falls and Roode gets a backslide for two. Aries blocks a spear and goes for the brainbuster, but Roode reverses out and clotheslines him for two. Aries throws the forearm and gets the brainbuster to finish at 11:48. Hell of a match right there. ***1/2 Roode is pretty upset at this and destroys a monitor and some chairs. Jesus, Dixie Carter only had two payments left on that monitor! Now the rent-a-center is never gonna take it back.

Meanwhile, HOMICIDE is back.

Meanwhile, new VP Mr. Anderson rallies the troops in the post-Doc era.

X Division qualifier: Homicide v. Petey Williams v. Sonjay Dutt

So the theme here is “X Division stars of the past”. Winner of this moves onto the Ultimate X final next week. Homicide dumps both guys and follows with a dive, but Dutt comes back with ranas. Petey slingshots in with a shoulderblock for two and wraps up Dutt with a leglock, but Homicide breaks it up with a diving headbutt. He puts both guys down with neckbreakers and sets up Petey for the Gringo Killer, but Petey reverses out. Another try hits and gets two. Sonjay hits Homicide with the double stomp moonsault to finish at 4:06. Crowd was dead for this and they weren’t clicking at all. **

X Division qualifier: Manik v. Chavo Guerrero v. Kenny King

I guess this is stars of the present? King pounds Manik down and appears to squat and take a shit on him. That’s quite the taunt. Manik gets a bridging leglock on King, and then hits Chavo with a suplex while holding it. Chavo dumps Manik and hits King with a missile dropkick, and they set up a contrived spot where Chavo tosses Manik into King for a dropkick. Weak. Chavo hits Manik with the suplexes and then switches to King, but Manik finishes King with the double knees to advance. This was another one where it was kind of a big messy style clash. *1/2

The Main Event Mafia joins us, and they want to beat up Aces & Eights and drink their beer. So they head backstage where Anderson is waiting, and Angle gets kidnapped in the back of a pickup truck. Is Russo writing this again? How incompetent do the Mafia need to be for this plan to work?

X Division qualifier: Rubix v. Rockstar Spud v. Greg Marasciulo

Those last two might be two of the worst names in wrestling right now. And that includes a lot of NXT geeks. You’d have to think that Rubix wins this one by virtue of at least being a real wrestler and not having a name like an 80s TV jobber. Everyone hits the floor and Marasciulo takes over on Spud back in the ring, but Spud pounds away in the corner. Rubix comes back in with a low dropkick on Spud while Tenay calls this “PPV quality”. Really? This is PPV quality? Three developmental guys sent out there to die? Marasciulo comes back into the match with an impressive flip dive onto Spud, they do some more stuff, and Marasciulo pins Spud at 6:30 to advance. Don’t they have any idea how annoying it is to type that name? They should have just called him “Greg Mara” or something. These guys all looked green as fuck out there. * And this three-way experiment is a total flop and they just need to end it.

So next week, in the battle of the per-appearance payments, it’s Sonjay v. Manik v. Marasciulo. And you thought Kenny King’s reign was dull.

Meanwhile, Angle escapes his predicament when the slow moving truck stops at a red light or something.

Mickie James is out to promote her music career, but Gail Kim interrupts and they argue over star ratings before getting into a brawl.

TNA World title: Bully Ray v. Chris Sabin

Sabin gets all up in Bully’s face and they throw down, which results in Sabin pounding away in the corner after some high kicks. Bully takes him down and goes to work on the bad knee, but the Mafia and Aces come down for some discourse as we take a break. An exceptionally long 5:30 break, in fact. TNA’s gotta pay some bills, except they do it six weeks late. So we’re back with Bully still working on the knee and pulling off Sabin’s boot to expose the bare knee. Sabin fights up and Bully puts him down with a clothesline, then continues destroying the knee like a big bully. Sabin fights back again, so Bully puts him down and mocks Hogan. After another lengthy beating, he misses a charge and Sabin comes back and goes to the top, but Bully brings him down with a superplex. That gets two. Sabin reverses the Bullybomb into an enzuigiri and comes back with a missile dropkick, but the ref is bumped. A second ref was supposed to run in, but he got in a contract dispute on the way to the ring and left the company. The Mafia brawls with the Aces, leaving Bully and his hammer alone, but Sabin steals it and uses it to escape the BullyBomb…and wins the World title at 20:00?!? Well that was certainly unexpected. Hope he enjoys it for a couple of weeks before Bully wins it back. Match was just Bully working the leg for extended periods. **1/4 I think in a lot of ways they would have created a bigger star by having Sabin put up the good fight and lose after a heated match, rather than basically fluking his way into the World title when he was clearly not in the same league as the champion.

The Pulse

I kind of hated this show, to be honest. None of the X division matches worked and I just didn’t buy Sabin as a threat, even after he won the damn belt. And what the FUCK was with that Aces v. Angle show-long storyline that led to nothing? They should fire the guy who wrot…oh, yeah, never mind.

Comments

  1. I remember last year Aries had a lot more momentum than than Sabin did last year with an insane X title run, and beat Roode clean as a whistle which elevated him to be perceived as a main event player, whilst Sabin beat Bully via fluke... so I was shocked they went through with it, I hope this doesn't damage Sabin in the long term where he's seen as this midcarder who got lucky rather than putting him on a pedestal with the rest of the top guys in TNA.



    Also when are TNA going to give up on lame stables and concentrate on individuals like did last year before this whole Aces & 8's shenanigans?

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  2. Fuck this company.

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  3. Insightful as always Fuj.

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  4. I mean come on Cult.


    They did the SAME EXACT THING last year with someone even LESS OVER than Aries.


    You cant applaud this move.

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  5. They're already fucked.

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  6. I have a feeling that SK either didn't make the Trent Baretta/Greg Marasciulo connection OR he has never seen Trent before tonight (that's entirely possible...when was the last time dude appeared on RAW...probably never!)

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  7. I only know of him through message board posts. If you only watch RAW and Smackdown, it's entirely possible that you missed Trent's WWE run.

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  8. He was featured in the Zack Ryder videos with "Where's Trent?"

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  9. I know of the name and that's all. Plus he's been gone for years now.

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  10. He was released this year Scott!

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  11. Where's Lars Only?

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  12. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJuly 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    "Those last two might be two of the worst names in wrestling right now."

    I dunno about that, I'd say Pepper Parks is worse than both of them, and Rockstar Spud would be fine for a lower mid-carder.



    BTW... Chris Sabin? I haven't watched TNA in about a year, anyone want to explain this?

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  13. Considering all the whining about a guy called BRAY WYATT, I don't see how Greg Marasciulo is even in the running. At least it sounds like a real name, and has that same thing as "Schwarzenegger" did, in that it makes you remember it.

    Oh, and if every time the Observer or the Torch had been accurate when they said that "TNA is in major DDOM! The end is near!" etc., then TNA would have already died more times than Kenny McCormick and Daniel Jackson combined. TNA let a few barely used mid- and lower- card people go. Wow!

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  14. It doesn't really roll off the tongue.

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  15. I like Sabin and all, but they really couldn't have at least built him up to look credible before this?

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  16. Yeah, I may be one of the few people who saw his epic feud with Curt Hawkins on Superstars.

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  17. I was thinking something similar about TNA's future, but hey, at least it gives Scott a running gag.

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  18. This sounds terrible! Yeah I'm glad Sabin got the world title, but the doom cloud hanging over the company at this point is just too thick.

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  19. They are cutting nearly everyone, they've cut off most of their PPV's...if that doesn't feel apocalyptic to you, then I don't know what would.

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  20. They should have just called him Greg Scalia. After all, Jack Scalia is way past overdue for a homage.

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  21. i dont know if you know this but their checks came late.


    This means they either forgot to make payroll (which is bad)
    OR
    They had to scrounge the capital from somewhere else (worse)


    A couple of those guys were PPA.


    So this also says to me at least that they are cutting the guys that arent drawing money but who are cheap as fuck and probably would work at a (more) reduced rate to keep the people who arent drawing money but cost a lot more to keep.


    Isnt that bad business practice?


    If Hogan...Sting... Angle...Hardy... etc etc are costing 1M a year together to keep on payroll and you arent drawing, why not fire them to keep Jobber Jones and Randy McKickflip at a fraction of the cost and try to build them up. They might catch on.


    We have seen 3 years of Hogan, 7 years of Sting and 7 years of Angle and the needle hasnt moved a bit.


    Why not try something new in hopes of presenting a true alternative at a reduction of cost?


    Instead you slash everywhere else but.

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  22. Words that Bruce Prichard has repeated several times in the past 24 hours.

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  23. As usual, Scott's rant is more entertaining than the PPV itself. The rent-a-center joke takes me back to the glory days of the 'net, when reading reviews laced with hilarious smarky jokes and discussing the shows with intelligent people was fresh and fun.


    It's a shame that none of these promotions know what a strong champion is, let alone how to create one, book one or build one up. Hot shotting world titles is a plea for attention and it never works and always ends badly. "Oh, you won the world title! Congratulations! No get ready to job harder than you have ever jobbed in your pitiful little career!" My personal favorites include Hart losing to Mountie, who lost to Piper a few days later and Flair losing to Hart, who was the face champion McMahon wanted Yokozuna to topple. Shit though, they were transitional champions... I doubt Sabin will have the honor of even being *that*.

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  24. D'Lo getting shitcanned reminded me of a scam you would use in an EWR/TEW game where you switch the guy to a PPA deal so you can fire him without any financial repercussions. That was a real shady layoff.

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  25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsV-27zbHyI

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  26. Cena is a strong champion.

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  27. Voted up for Randy McKickflip.

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  28. FUCK ME!? I'M ALREADY FUCKED!
    FUCK ME!? I'M ALREADY FUCKED!

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  29. One thing nobody has bothered to explain: Why would a biker gang use a pickup truck? T

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  30. Just ask Nikki Bella.

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  31. Let Fuj name those guys. His names are ten times better without even trying.

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  32. I assume that Hogan, Angle, and Sting are no dummies, and structured their contracts to ensure that they get paid no matter what happens.

    IRONCLAD CONTRACT!

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  33. I like how Scott turned heel on TNA completely out of the blue.

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  34. ehhhh... firing costlier guys and keeping around cheap jobbers is what the AWA pulled in the 1980s & '90s. Remember how that one turned out?

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  35. Ummm who got fired from the AWA?


    Cuz IIRC, they all just left after Hogan was making MEGABUCKS

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  36. Shit, I might be thinking of Bill Watts' WCW. I mixed up my "Death of the AWA" with my "WCW's faltering '90s years" from my recollections of Scott's rants. Didn't AWA use a ton of cheapo jobbers plus Larry Zbysko for years, too?

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  37. I was actually at this taping. It's the first time I've ever gotten to go to any sort of wrestling show.

    One of the big reasons the crowd was kind of, well, shit in the early parts of the show was the hell of getting into the arena to begin with. One entrance and narrow hallway to accommodate several thousand people. The building entrance and arena entry were on opposite ends of the hall. In the middle was the lone concession stand, across from the lone merch. booth. Six streams of traffic colliding creating a total nightmarish hell. People were still filing in twenty minutes into the damn show because they couldn't get to their seats any sooner.

    Also, I got the feeling that a lot of the crowd wasn't actually that familiar with TNA, and just bought the tickets because they were cheap and there were some recognizable names (Hogan, and during the 2nd taping Jeff Hardy, were both *bonkers* over.) Lots of people in my section had *no clue* who folks like Hernandez, Suicide/Manik, Sonjay Dutt, even Bobby Roode..et al. were. So they sat on their hands.

    The only two non-WWE guys (perception-wise, any past dark matches or tryouts aside) who really were legitimately over with the crowd were Joe and, to my surprise, Austin Aries. The crowd *did* pick for the 2nd taping, as Sabin's win seemed to really energize everyone.

    Destination X, while overall the weaker of the two tapings, still came off as more enjoyable live than it presented on TV (per reviews/recaps). Not sure if it's the commercial interruptions, the live atmosphere, a mix of both, or something else.

    Still, $20 for decent seats for a world title change, the entirety of an X-division title tournament, a knockouts title match, and several otherwise good matches (the BFG match from this show, plus the ones coming up next week)...no regrets on the money spent.

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  38. That would be a good idea and TNA definitely needs more of those. But Fuj if you're reading this, make sure to only accept cash, definitely say no to the checks.

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  39. Rubix comes back in with a low dropkick on Spud while Tenay calls this “PPV quality”

    Good thing they cut down on PPVs then

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  40. Rushed for time. Them gates are closing.

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  41. Well, Sabin as Champion... that will put butts in the seats... NOT.

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  42. Love the EPCOT Center logo!


    If we can dream it, then we can do it, yes we can yes we can!

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  43. It's hard to support them nowadays

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  44. I really think they fucked up by going SO hard on the biker stuff and then never showing them on their bikes. Although FWIw, bikers usually do have one guy riding a truck on runs so if someone dumps their bike or has mechanical issues they can load it up and finish the run.

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  45. Unless Russo added a ton of fine print to their contracts while he worked there.

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  46. He's actually pretty good. His finish is like Roderick Strong's Sick Kick, but he calls it the Everlasting Gobstopper! So he's got that going for him...

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  47. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 19, 2013 at 6:08 AM

    I agree with the l3-way stip being boring. As I've said in the live post, I think they should do a "Spin the Wheel" type deal with X Division matches. If X is the unknown, the champ should not know what type of match he's defending his title in.
    ..and that new belt is ugly as fuck.

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  48. I kinda think Sabin got hosed here, because either Bully dragged the heat segment too long and they had to rush for time, or just in general they didn't leave themselves enough time to build Sabin a good comeback. I get the feeling this gets overturned.

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  49. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 19, 2013 at 6:13 AM

    They didn't really make money on PPVs to begin with.
    I think they should split the difference and do every other Impact on the road.

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  50. Only here can a guy winning the world title be referred to as him being hosed.

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  51. Bikers have luggage sometimes.

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  52. Sabin winning the title is a horrendous decision, sorry.



    Bully Ray is the best thing this company has at this point, and his big-time heel title run ended after ONE successful defense. And yes, I'm sure he'll get it back, but this switch serves no purpose at all.

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  53. Yep. I agree with Scott that it'd have served his character better to fight the good fight and lose, than to win in a flukey fashion and look like he doesn't belong.

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  54. And also, I mean that the end looked rushed and he didn't get to even bask in it after the match for long, so I think he got hosed when someone went too long and cut his time down. So he got double hosed.

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  55. Yes, I feel very sorry that the guy is now the world champ. That's worse than ball cancer.

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  56. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 19, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    Stop downvoting me, Dixie.

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  57. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 19, 2013 at 6:50 AM

    So was it a legit 4000 in attendance?

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  58. It's Scott, zanadude! It's Scott, zanadude! It was Scott all along! You all bought it! You all bought it hook, line, and sinker!

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  59. I'm betting all my pairs of underwear that Sabin won the title to spite Prichard. He probably had Bully retaining and they decided to change it last minute. Sabin was probably promised a title reign by Dixie though because when Sabin returned in 2012, he made it clear in interviews and on the net that he didn't want to be in TNA anymore. This was probably just her way of saying "thank you".


    The only problem here is that with the 12 guys in the BFG Series, only Bully Ray makes sense as a #1 contender.Bully takes the belt back in a month or so then goes onto Bound For Glory to face AJ Styles who breaks out of his emo stage and wins the title.

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  60. I thought ball cancer was pretty cool?

    Sure looked that way on South Park.

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  61. TGGI. I think. I'm no businessman, but it makes sense.

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  62. For twenty bucks, i'd go see that.

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  63. Are they harking back to the Luger-Hogan title switch as they were leading to Sting taking Hogan down? I swear to God, TNA is just re-booking 1997. Swerving everyone to have Sabin win last night just doesn't make sense.

    Had the match ended with one of the Mafia hitting Bully into the loss, then at least there's some sort of logic, but Bully beat the living daylights out of Sabin.

    And speaking of the Mafia, they take Angle out, Bully says to "make him an offer he won't refuse" and then he shows back up at the arena like nothing happened? The pay off to the night should have been the Mafia fighting off Aces and out of nowhere, Angle knocks out Sabin to let Bully win. There was a whole lot of rising action to that story with no climax.



    And where the hell was Tazz? Did I miss something while I was fast forwarding?

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  64. Agreed. Bully's gonna drag the ref out next week and make him overturn it for Sabin using the hammer. (Unless it was no DQ? I dunno.)

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  65. Scott makes it sound like TNA is having some financial difficulties or something?? I think he needed to allude to it a few dozen more times so everyone could be clear on it.

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  66. You missed Tazz?

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  67. I didn't miss Tazz, I was just wondering if there had been any word from the newz sites about why he wasn't at the show. I did a cursory glance this morning and didn't see anything.

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  68. And there is a huge difference between AWA losing Hogan at his peak and TNA losing Hogan now.

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  69. Worst_in_the_WorldJuly 19, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Watched the show this morning before work— wow what a shit show. The X-division matches were a total joke, and then the world title change is just so incredibly dumb. I mean, is their plan to build the entire company around Chris Sabin? If not, then why the FUCK did they do that? All this does is take a load of the shine off of Bully Ray's reign, and cut the legs out from whoever beats Bully at BFG. (Assuming the plan is Bully gets back the title and drops it to either Homeless Emo AJ or Magnus.)



    Again, this all just feels like Hogan making sure he's the most over thing on the show. Listen, I want WWE to have competition as much as anyone, but TNA under retards like Dixie, Hogan and Bischoff just isn't it. What a joke.

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  70. UGH! I've liked this company's direction this past year, but UGH!. Maybe TNA the entity can file Chapter 7, a new promotion called Action, Total Nonstop can premiere on SPIKE with all the good wrestlers and zero of the Hulk Hogans.

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  71. Yeah I dunno. Very curious.

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  72. What about the possibility that if the company is dying, Bully didn't want to be the one holding the belt when it keels over? I remember reading that guys didn't want the WCW title towards the end.

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  73. Seriously just shoot the X-Division dead, bring back the TV title and run a barebones rasslin' promotion.

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  74. Because Dixie Carter has no idea how to run a wrestling business, so she puts the power in the hands of the people she THINKS have a idea, problem is it's all ego and politics, these are guys who WWE has shunned for various reasons, they get their own place, with it's own fanbase (how small it may be) on television, and they get to be the top dog every week. If she was better informed she'd realise that no one wants to see hogan or angle or sting anymore, she'd cut them and get someone who can make us care about the people we DON'T know about.

    It's also doesn't help when the majority of TNA's fans are so deluded to the point where in their attempt to be different, and in their attempt to be as anti-WWE as possible, they will always be a glass half full kind of person with TNA. Everything is alright and things are working out great and they are doing a good job according to TNA fans.

    WWE on the other hand, always gets shit from the fans, they watch it, they crap on the stuff that's bad, and cheer the stuff that's good. WWE doesn't usually listen to them, but we are basically the guys that call them for their shit. All TNA has...are fans filled up with yes men. (irony being that WWE fans all chant yes on every show.)

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  75. Doesn't he date AJ (Lee not Styles)? If so I bet that makes the pain of a horrible gimmick name in a dieing company a little easier to bare.

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  76. Cutting nearly everyone? D'LO, an Aces lackey and Bruce Prichard is everyone?

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  77. Chris Sabin is the new Ron Garvin

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  78. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    ...except greg marasciulo is his real name


    did you not recognize him as trent barreta?


    er, did you even know trent barreta?

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  79. We are the ones we have been waiting for?

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  80. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    epcot center?

    thats galactus's golf ball, brah

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  81. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    whats funny is that hogan is a spokesman for rent-a-center

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  82. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    i once had a big angle goin' with sting and the rock leading to wrestlemania and then sting fuckin' switched himself to a ppa deal or somethin' so i couldnt use him on raw, and instead just had to have rock cut promos on him leading to wm.


    i think the match got like **** using scott as the reviewer

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  83. Yes he did/does?


    And it's not a gimmick name, it's his real name, so that's even more depressing for him.

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  84. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    fuck tha police

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  85. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    hes also not roddy strong, so he has that goin' for him, too

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  86. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    dunno, but not sure why you wanna know just about him and not about jamez, kirk, or trujillo

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  87. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    'Chris Sabin? I haven't watched TNA in about a year, anyone want to explain this?'

    http://www.44o.com/media/images/25d24e4edf.jpeg

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  88. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    WHO DARES TO DOWNVOTE BISCUIT?!

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  89. Scott, I did not like this review you did. It was very unprofessional and showed a hatred only rivaled by Caldwell on PWTorch. Too many "out of business" jokes when there's no concrete evidence that that is the case.


    Shame on you.

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  90. Maybe Universal Studios extended their 'You must be this tall to ride the ride' policy to the Impact Zone.


    And yes, I know they aren't at Universal anymore, but I thought of the joke before I remembered that and just decided to go with it anyway.

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  91. TNA fans see how WWE fans feel with the majority of Scott's reviews.

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  92. Yeah, honestly, do we really WANT to see TNA go out of business, and WWE to have a complete monopoly? I thought the show was great and TNA has had a good run the past few weeks. Of course, WCW was getting good before it closed too...

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  93. His jokes were uncalled for in the TNA review, his jokes in the WWE reviews are definitely warranted.

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  94. Worst_in_the_WorldJuly 19, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Missing payroll is definitely evidence that their business is in trouble.

    As is increasing the costs to go on the road, which has led to ZERO increase in ratings. (Meanwhile Hogan & Bischoff always pushed live road shows as the magic bullet for ratings.) In fact, ratings are down from they were pre-Hogan/Bischoff.

    Throw in that their PPV numbers are in ROH-iPPV territory and yeah dude, things business-wise look really shitty for TNA right now.


    I don't want WWE to be a monopoly either, but TNA seems to be in a bad way right now. It is what it is.

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  95. Seeing as how this is professional wrestling and wins/losses are a means to an end, not the end-all, be-all, yes, you can absolutely get hosed in a match you win. Is it really that confusing that he looked like a total fluke who stole the title? That's kind of bad, considering he's a face.

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  96. Worst_in_the_WorldJuly 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Same here. That match made him look like a total jobber. Did Sabin even hit an offensive move aside from punchey-kickey or the hammer shot? Booking like that just devalues both wrestlers and the title itself.

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  97. He accurately reviewed a bad show. He has heaped a ton of praise on TNA over the last year or so. But one negative review = shame on you?



    And like it or not, TNA is going to be fighting the perception that they are in a freefall for a while. Weird and rash decisions aren't going to disprove that theory.

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  98. Worst_in_the_WorldJuly 19, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Except for Bully—who can still draw some money if he wasn't part of Bischoff's wet-dream biker storyline— TNA really needs to cut ties with everyone who's ever been associated with WWE or WCW. Dump Sting, Angle, Hardy, Anderson, Devon, and of course Hogan & Bischoff.



    Really bare bones and make some f'n new stars already. I think 10 years of this company has proven that the ex-WWE/WCW guys can't move the needle anyway, so what's to lose by focusing on lower-priced new talent?

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  99. Man, I really liked this show. Two of the three X-Division matches (the first two) were really fun, Aries/Roode was awesome, and TNA did a great job building Chris Sabin's underdog story throughout the show. It was a blast.

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  100. Looking like a paper champ who is out of his league, and basically only looking that way because the time constraints caused them to rush the ending, is not an ideal way to become champ. And either way, it sucks that they basically had to rush off the air while he was celebrating with the belt, when he should've had the Mafia and/or the whole locker room out giving him the on-the-shoulders celebration. But it was important not to cut into that rerun of last week's Ink Master!

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  101. Did everyone miss the story that the big bully heel got a taste of his own medicine? Hit with the very hammer he used to win the belt? I felt it was a good story. And honestly, it's nice to be surprised in wrestling once in a while, and it was a good moment for longtime fans who have followed Sabin since the beginning.

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  102. See Sting at Starrcade 97.

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  103. I wasn't really surprised, though, as the entire show was building to Sabin beating Bully. And I get the "taste of his own medicine" angle, but it just doesn't make sense to put the belt on Sabin, especially when there are bigger payoffs down the line.


    I think Bully losing the strap to AJ or to Magnus after the BFG series, after terrorizing the whole organization for however long he's had the strap, is a much better payoff to the Aces story than a random title loss to someone who has only had about a month worth of build.

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  104. They've cut 10 people in the past two weeks as a cost-cutting measure and they're weeks late on payroll and there's no evidence?

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  105. This guy doesnt get it.

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  106. Hotshotting titles worked fine in the most profitable time in wrestling history.

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  107. Not sure if you're trolling or just a deluded fanboy.

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  108. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    nom nom nom

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  109. Somebody needs to get laid

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  110. you're not a big picture kinda guy.

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  111. That's fair. I just have a much smaller problem with hotshotting the belt once in a while than most here do. Especially since so many people have complained about the angle being too predictable/slow-building. I'm sure Bully gets it back soon ... unless this is a way to set up Bully/Hogan for BFG and do something different with the strap.

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  112. Why can't he be both?

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  113. Yeah, that's true. I prefer to enjoy my wrestling now than worry about what it will be like in six months.

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  114. I thought the review was okay, but that Scott went to the well one time too often on the business-ending jokes. I didn't find them mean-spirited, just by the time I got to the end they felt a bit overdone.

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  115. Only if you want to go back to 2003-2007.

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  116. If they run with a different direction and craft a new post-Brother Love storyline, then I'm on board with Sabin's win. But if Bully gets the strap back before BFG, then it really was just a Ronnie Garvin kind of win, and it wastes a big moment for Sabin, as well.


    Also, I was kind of hoping they'd get the first "Option C" loss out of the way, so maybe they don't turn it into the same thing as the Money in the Bank briefcase.

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  117. TNA might not have 6 months.

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  118. with characters that were OVER.

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  119. There's a reason why some people adopt stage names in show business...

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  120. Yep. Should have kept the vibe at the beginning of the match with Sabin taking Bully's worst, but still coming on cause FIGHTING SPIRIT.


    Then you have Aces come out to turn the tide, Bully works the leg, Mafia runs them off, Sabin wraps his leg up in athletic tape and it's on.

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  121. Man, this review was a buzz-kill. I know Scott doesn't like the spotfests, especially weirdly paced ones. I wasn't really a fan of the X-division matches either. If he had one 10 minute qualifier with the three men who won it would have been better. Another mid-card match (something with Bad Influence) would have broken up things well. I could have used another 5 minutes (or hell, an hour) of Aries/Roode, and the Sabin upset didn't quite feel right, although it was completely unexpected. All that being said (and taking off my armchair booker hat), this was a theme night, not a PPV. Nobody paid for this. We weren't being shilled for an app. and as usually the show breezed by. Stories were advanced. The main event had a "big fight feel" to it. I just think that with the negativity surrounding TNA and the PPV expectations surrounding it, this show in some people's eyes was damned from the start.

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  122. Jokes I think are funny are warranted and on-topic. Jokes I think are not funny are unprofessional and uncalled for.

    "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die." - Mel Brooks.

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  123. Why? Did they force you to watch this program Clockwork Orange style?

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  124. I know that I'm probably grasping, but if only for the fact that "Only" seems to be from Jerry Only and he seemed more punkish than a metalhead, I think maybe he was referencing Lars Fredriksen from Rancid? Either that or he's a really big Guitar Hero fan and it was an homage to Lars Umlaut.

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  125. Scott's heal turn wasn't so abrupt; it's been building. He didn't cover the last pay-per-view, has been glossing over quality segments (one that comes to mind is the Mickie James promo from the ladder two weeks ago), and skipped recapping the last Impact. He's still a tweener unless he boycotts the program.

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  126. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    i made the comment just cause when i hear the name lars i think of metallica. i know the only comes from jerry only, and i decided to be stupid with mah joke

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  127. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    biff = elvy?

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  128. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I don't think a title change is going to affect that.

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  129. I kind of agree regarding Option C.


    I can't see Sabin holding the belt til BFG, whether it means losing it back to Bully or to someone else (Aries? Angle?). I love the dude as a wrestler, but he's just not very good on the mic. He's a great midcarder/upper midcarder, but I've never seen him cut a main event promo.

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  130. This. I'd keep one legend, but probably not Sting and definitely not Hogan due to cost. There are plenty of guys out there who'd fit the bill. How much extra value does Christy Hemme add beyond everyone wanting to take her to the boneyard? Make the wrestlers work. I'll bet TNA could pay Hogan's contract with a raffle to be the person to fire him.

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  131. Agreed. This was perfectly fine for free TV. I think a lot of people like myself just wish they's hit homeruns so the company might not die.

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  132. Only legend I'd keep is Angle.

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  133. Big upvote for Lars Umlaut.

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  134. Doesn't mean they are going under, Scott. They have a billion dollar backer and out of all the guys they cut, can you name ONE that's worth anything? They were all scrubs that were making no progress. Why keep them on the payroll? When WWE does their "spring cleaning" and releases a handful of talent, no one says "OH WWE IS GOING UNDER!!!" It's simple. TNA going on the road cost $. They are doing the BFG Series currently. They have no use for the jobbers that they cut. It's a smart thing to do. I've been watching TNA since day one, so people can call me a fanboy I don't care. I prefer it at it's worst over WWE's cash guzzling "entertainment" at it's best. WWE makes me feel like an idiot when I'm watching it. TNA has had it's bad moments, a fair share of them. But WWE insults the viewer on a weekly basis.

    TNA got rid of Brother Love and D'Lo Brown as well. Giant losses there. WWE just lost Big John to TNA. Does that mean WWE is going out of business or in trouble? TNA will use Big John to do their scouting and talent relations now instead of Prichard. It's a smart move because he probably costs less and is just as intelligent.



    Internet "fans" are such pessimists. They'll whine about how bad WWE is then when TNA puts on great show (not saying Destination X was a great show) people make fun of it or say "I don't watch that crap." I've got some news for everyone, if TNA goes out of business then wrestling will be back to the absolute dump it was with the monopoly running everything.


    I read your reviews weekly usually and know that you give TNA credit where credit is due, but this board has completely blown TNA's last couple of weeks out of proportion.

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  135. Fucking Chris Sabin won the world title?!?

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  136. Lol wowza TNA is fucking dumb. Can't wait till hardy is back in the wwe though

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  137. They just inducted him into their HOF. I figure that has to give him job security for at least a year?

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  138. Hard work bobby walker > Chris sabin

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  139. It just seems that a having a bonafide home grown super heel drop the belt to some generic Indy geek is a major step backward.

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  140. People used to same the shit to Scott in 2000 when he was reviewing wcw

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  141. Yeah but it is funny half the roster is on food stamps

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  142. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    'I'm betting all my pairs of underwear...'


    liar. they dont call you 'commando' for nuthin'

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  143. Aries will go out there and MAKE you like him he's that good.

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  144. Scream09_HartKillerJuly 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    I'm with you. How many pay per views are essentially pointless because you know the title isn't changing yet? While title matches on Raw are entirely pointless because you know the title isn't changing. I don't have a problem with them throwing a surprise in here.

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  145. Charismatic e-Negro Jef VinsonJuly 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    [madd rapper]...tell 'em why you mad, son! Tell 'em why you mad! [/madd rapper]

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  146. Let me see if I have this straight. Two months ago, Sabin was MIA. He comes back, wins the x title, trades it for a shot at the world title, WINS THE WORLD TITLE and some of you think they're screwing him over? Seriously?

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  147. Sigh... looks like missing last night wasn't a bad idea after all. Even if I only did so out of a mix of stress and forgetfulness.

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  148. From someone who's mostly defended TNA this last year: Wait, Johnny Ace is taking Bruce's spot?

    Well, the Knockouts are fucked. And not just literally. Otherwise, as long as he's not as forgetful as Pritchard apparently was, then it might be a positive.

    And I do fully agree that most of the cuts are "minor", and similar to WWE's yearly dump. HOWEVER, unless TNA's roster is similar sized to WWE's roster, the number might be alarming.

    Doc and Hendrix, unless they were badly overpaid/"holding out", should NOT have been cut before quite a few people... Chavo for one?

    Last point: This week seems to have been a step back. Sonjay or Manik as X-Div champ? Okay, sure. Sabin as world champ, dethroning Bully Ray? Sorry, NO.


    Luger (and WCW) wasn't helped much by his six-day run... and I doubt Sabin will get any boost from this run, however short it is destined to be. At this point, you've damaged Bully, AJ (or whoever's penciled in as "savior"), Sabin (once he loses this belt), and the world title in general.



    I'll stay away from the fantasy booking, because a stressed me might make Jesse look sane.

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  149. You're struggling to realize whose review you're reading, it seems.

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  150. Yeah, he needs a better name.

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  151. WCW says hi. Or they would, if they were still alive. But they can't, because they're dead.

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  152. He was, but I think the sex tape killed that endorsement deal.

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  153. If watching WWE makes you feel like an idiot you've got too high standards. At worse nowadays WWE is just dull but not insultingly so. At least to me. It also helps that the Wyatt family is currently the smartest and most interesting going on in wrestling right now.

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  154. The WWE says hi. They're still alive and doing OK.

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  155. Your_Favourite_AssholeJuly 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    flip your name around and you could be beta ray bill


    thor corps ftw

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  156. How is the Wyatt's"smart"? All they say is they are the new faces of fear and call people sheep lol

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  157. Was I the only one waiting for the dusty finish at the end?



    Looks like Hogan might be wrestling Bully at BFG for control of TNA.

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  158. As you say, just because they're purging the roster is not a sign that they are in trouble.

    However, the fact that they are missing payroll is a huge sign that something is wrong.

    It doesn't mean that it's a 100% guarantee that they will go under next Tuesday. They could get a cash influx, new sponsor, reorganize the finances, file for bankruptcy protection, etc. Many companies find themselves in a dire financial situation but manage to turn it around.

    But a healthy company does not miss payroll.

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  159. My 4th ppv yo! My 4th ppv!!!

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  160. I think its funny that this thread has more down votes than people who watched destination x

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  161. Kind of like how you turned heel on Main Event for absolutely no reason.

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  162. Three years have passed and Elvy's still pissed about getting banned so he has to vent his anger. He's probably pissed off now because TNA hasn't paid him in the last month to continuously troll message boards by claiming that TNA's recent PPVs have drawn bigger buy rates than Wrestlemania, LOL.

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  163. "About 4,000" was my guess while there, based on what I could see. If 4,000 was the attendance given, I could believe it.

    The arena holds 6,600. Between the blocking of the side where the entrance was set up, and the fact that there no non-floor tickets sold on the side of the arena where the cameras were set up, about half of the arena's seats went unused - but there were also quite a lot of floor seats, almost all of which were sold - and the vast majority of the seats in the open half of the arena were sold.

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  164. I thought the show was good enough. Not terrible, not great, but I didn't fast-forward through much and I liked how they played out the Sabin story from the beginning of the show to him winning the title. Besides, I don't think anybody is under the impression Sabin will go on some long run with the belt -- I wouldn't be surprised if Bully takes it back from him next week.

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  165. "Jesus, Dixie Carter only had two payments left on that monitor! Now the rent-a-center is never gonna take it back."


    Don't worry Hogan and Rent-A-Center are tight. He'll put in a good word for Dixie brother!

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  166. Uh...Sabin's been with the company since TNA started. He's as homegrown as you get.

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  167. I think Hollywood Terry Bollea would've drawn millions.

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  168. It would've been a better moment if Sabin had gotten a chance to shine for a second. As is, he got beaten corner to corner and won by cheating. No classic Sabin smoothness or athleticism. He got what...an enzuigiri and some forearms as the extent of his offense?


    The main-event was dreadfully, dreadfully dull, and while I will put a majority of the blame on Bully's shoulders (his singles matches have always been bad) not letting the hot young babyface do his hot young babyface wrestling is awful planning, did they fire their agents too?

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  169. Because good wrestling can occur even if the finish sucks.

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  170. Do enzuigiri's count as punch-kicky?


    I don't think either of them took a single bump that entire match.

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  171. Sabin's a reference to Final Fantasy 6.


    Oh, you meant the title win.

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