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DC Scraps JL3000 Already?


Damn, this was one of the books I was really looking forward to after the Villains Month mess ended.  What is going on with that company right now?  

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  1. As someone who gave up on DC after the New 52 reboot, I really don't know why either company bothers to even make comics anymore. They don't seem to be terribly profitable and kids aren't reading them at all anymore.


    From a business standpoint, it's much easier to just grow the brands via TV, movies, gaming, and merchandising.

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  2. You've missed some really great stuff.

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  3. Isn't it obvious? Maguire was simply too old to be writing for DC Comics key demographic of 45 year olds and had to be let go.

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  4. You've missed some really great stuff!

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  5. Speaking of comics. I finally decided to watch Batman and Superman TAS.


    I chose Superman first and OMG its soooooooo dry and terrible.

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  6. Respectfully, sir, you have no taste.

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  7. At least watch 'The Late Mr. Kent' episode and see if you can still call the series terrible.

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  8. im about 12 eps in, and i fell asleep on 2 of them.

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  9. Well, maybe skip to season 2 then, some of the best episodes are from there. http://acomicbookblog.com/2010/06/top-10-superman-animated-series-episodes/

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  10. Tell me when Dan Didio leaves DC Comics .

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  11. he really has fucked dc up.

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  12. Justice League 3000 was a horrible horrible idea and this is great news.



    Would rather they fucking give Maguire and Giffen JLI to write, with the old roster (including Ted, Max, Ralph, Sue, Guy).



    Have the end result of Forever Evil (which no one gives a flying fuck about) being the utter scorch earthing of Geoff Johns and Jim Lee's abortion of a failure of a Justice League relaunch and giving the franchise to the JLI team with the JLI team as the one and only JLA


    Purge the taint of Geoff John's fail and fucking bring back JLI as the big time JL team with the classic creative team. THAT will make JL important, as opposed to the toilet paper joke it's been since Johns and Lee came along

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  13. DiDio is no longer the patient zero of fail and AIDS. You have Geoff Johns (who hasn't been worth a damn since he fucked up the ending of Blackest Night), Jim Lee, Bob Harras, and a bunch of Time Warner suits now involved alongside DiDio making shit decisions.

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  14. When they finally drive the company into the ground that's when.....


    (The rebranding is their pathetic attempt to create their own "reboot" branding, since they don't make a dime off of people saying "Post-Crisis" and "Pre-Crisis")

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  15. Paul Pope should have taken DiDio up on doing Scooby Doo. No one gives a fuck about Kamandi, but a Paul Pope Scooby Doo would bring in kids AND adults in terms of making the project must read.

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  16. No one gives a fuck about Kamandi? Yeah, think again there, brother. I like Kamandi and so do a lot of people.

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  17. But they ARE still profitable. They don't rake in great amounts of dollars compared to movies or games, but they're still profitable. Otherwise, they wouldn't be around so much.


    Plus, Marvel has been putting out some quality stuff in the last few years, like Daredevil and Hawkeye. And some of the DC stuff has been good, like Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Batwoman, and Scott Snyder's Batman.

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  18. Johns' JLA team is far too profitable for them to do something like that. At this point the JLI stuff is a niche market in comparison.

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  19. Bro... its boring.


    Again, Im like 12 eps in but every ep is this:


    Bad guy gets his powers, beats up Superman...


    Superman comes back.


    Lather. Rinse. Repeat.


    Im gonna stick through it, but this first season of sorts its just origin after origin and ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  20. I recommend hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com It's pretty amazing how quickly they do a new stupid thing.

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  21. THREADJACK:


    Fantasy Football League of DOOM 2 update.


    I have 2 slots open in the Yahoo league and 6 slots open in ESPN.


    So if you want to jump in please email me at rahmin_w@hotmail.com before the 31st of August and I will put you in.


    Specify which league you would like to be put in as well.


    Thank you.

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  22. I tried the new Batman/Superman #1 out of curiosity and couldn't even finish it.

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  23. Ugh that series is such a train wreck. I literally had no idea what was happening in either issue. There's, like , two Supermen and two Batmen and ones young and the other is from a parallel universe or something, maybe, I think. Who the fuck can even follow this shit?

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  24. A horrible idea that YOU NEVER SAW if it was going to work or not. Ted is dead, let him be.

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  25. You didn't like the Lobo 2 parter? You fail.

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  26. JLI was one of the most profitable mid-level New 52 books. And Forever Evil/Trinity Wars is laying one huge egg.



    They need to fucking kill the fucking thing NOW and start fresh. JLI has brand name (no matter what you might say) and is more loved and respected than Geoff's abortion droppings.



    Give Giffen/Maguire their league back (full roster) and give them blanket immunity from shitty grim and gritty for grim and gritty and it would be DC's top seller.

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  27. it was cute.


    But then again, I never dug Lobo. I understand he was a parody of grim and gritty characters and all, but he doesn't do it for me.


    That being said, I enjoyed the ep. It wasn't anything I could sink my teeth into but it was serviceable.


    Sorry I'm not jumping in with the hive-mind.

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  28. That's what I'm talking about. Not the JLI that came with the reboot, but the original "Bwa-ha-ha" comic. I loved it, but the Formerly Known as the Justice League comics (two mini-series) did not sell like hot cakes. They sold well enough, but not enough to change everything on its head from what they have now.

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  29. superman has just been raped since the start of the new 52. His Clark Kent side is so dry and lacking in humanity, and the Superman side is about as generic as the characters ever been.

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  30. I find Dark Knight to be the better Batman book. Don't get me wrong Snyders stuff is still entertaining ,miles above the shit that is Detective Comics.

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  31. So you want them to turn one of their biggest books into a mid-level book? Brilliant!

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  32. I love it when you think your opinion represents the whole world.

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  33. You read half an issue of one title? I stand corrected.

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  34. Grant Morrison. He ruins everything.

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  35. No one gives a flying fuck about an event that literally hasn't started yet. Oh Jesse. You strange little person.

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  36. You really should've started with Batman tas. The best cartoon ever, hands down. I still like superman tas, but the Batman series is wonderful.

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  37. I miss Wally...

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  38. AverageJoeEverymanAugust 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Yeah at least give the series finale a try then, its incredible.

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  39. Okay, I'll probably get flamed like nobody's business for this but I'm just gonna go ahead and say it...
    I miss mid-late 90s DC. Sure there was stupidity like Red and Blue Supermen, but it just felt like they weren't afraid to try different things and take established characters in new directions. Then came goddamned Dan Didio who so clearly hated that DC was evolving and just wanted to take shit back and subject us to what he remembered when he was a kid. I stopped collecting comics regularly after that Superman arc written by Brian Azzarello wherein he shared feelings with a priest and... that's pretty much it (damn shame, I actually like Jim Lee's art).
    So while I wouldn't go so far as to say Barry Allen the character sucks, what sucks to me is the unbridled desire to cling to the past that saw him resurrected after killing off Wally West. Resurrecting Hal Jordan when we had Kyle Raynor, John Stewart, or even creating a new Earth-based GL character. And so on. I like to see progress, not regression.


    /my $0.02

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  40. I never watched the Superman ones, but Batman TAS is incredibly good.

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  41. I'm seriously getting ready to punt on most of the DC series I'm following. Outside of Snyder's Batman, Flash, and World's Finest, I have no attachment to any of the characters. JLA is awful. Green Lantern is resetting, and these new spin-off Superman titles make no sense (especially when the main title stinks). Maybe it really is generational... I grew up with Wally and the change to Kyle and I loved the Morrison JLA... it seemed so unpredictable then. Now I feel (not unlike the Attitude Era) that DC doesn't want me to like them anymore.


    I feel the same way about the current crop of Avengers titles and most other Marvel stuff. So much hype, little to no story. Indestructible Hulk, Daredevil, Hawkeye are the best of the bunch by far (cough - Waid and Fraction- cough) and Avengers A.I. has potential. But that's it.

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  42. Do they have an archive? I'd like to see their records from the beginning on stupidity.

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  43. I barely read current comics anymore...I did read the new Firestorm series, which wasn't awful, but mostly I did it out of loyalty to the character. At least they ended up with what they would have had after Brightest Day (i.e. a Ronnie/Jason fusion of traditional FS). The other characters I am just turned off by from the Image-style makeovers alone.



    No, I stick with (the best of) the other-media releases and things from the '80s and back, with the brief glimpses of brilliance from the '90s and up (the latter is pretty much how I feel about wrestling, actually)

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  44. You probably shouldn't put the guys who bankrupted Marvel in charge of DC.

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  45. Why would someone downvote that? Action (under Morrison) and Batman have been must reads.

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  46. The Batman Animated Series is pretty great. There are some times where it devolves into kiddie territory but there are some great episodes.

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  47. I don't think you can blame DiDio when DC was streets ahead of Marvel from Infinite Crisis to Flashpoint.

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  48. I haven't been able to read comics as much the last few years (my box got closed down, money issues, hard to catch up, etc. etc. etc. I still read but I'm not dropping $100 a month like I was before) but it seems like DC has really fallen apart. Johns fell into the Bendis trap of overextending himself, though Johns was a more talented writer in the first place. I've also read that a LOT of the writers who made them so great in the mid-2000's (Rucka, Morrison, Simone, etc.) are leaving because they're being mistreated.

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  49. I hear you (although I still think Barry Allen sucks). I just don't understand why DC does the things they do.

    Under The Red Hood was a great movie...but did Jason Todd REALLY need to be brought back? What has he added to the Batman mythos since his return? His death was a great part of Batman's legend because he was Bruce Wayne's biggest failure and affected the character for YEARS.

    What the hell happened to Cassandra Cain? She was one of DC's most popular characters but Didio apparently hates her as Batgirl. So they put in Stephanie Brown, who had an entertaining solo book but then they just HAD to stick Barbara Gordon in the suit again, which actually WEAKENS the character! She was a strong female character as Oracle and almost iconic as a paraplegic who still fought the good fight. Hell, Barbara Gordon was BETTER as Oracle than Batgirl!

    John Stewart. My god, what a frickin' ball they dropped with this one. For a generation of kids, this was THEIR Green Lantern following Stewart's role in Justice League. But did DC do anything about it in the comics? Maybe give John Stewart a more sizable presence in the DC universe, a black character that could maybe engage the audience like no other in comics. Nope, can't do that. Same with Wally West and his wise-cracking character in the same cartoon. Instead, they brought back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, returns NO ONE was clamoring for. So why did they do it? Because they're Geoff Johns' favourite characters. Geoff Johns is the HHH of the DC Universe.

    The less said about the New 52 the better. For the most part, it blows and although there are a few bright spots, I'm not optimistic about DC's future unless they put some new people in charge of creative.

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  50. I was thinking the same thing!

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  51. So THAT'S what Jesse Baker looks like. I was expecting more crazed Comic
    Book Store Guy/It's Still Real To Me Guy and less hipster/nerd.

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  52. I like the Superman TAS theme song.

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  53. The series finale of Superman is pretty good with a Darkseid attack on Earth.

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  54. I hear ya...but man, imagine trying to be a writer on Superman. He's probably the most difficult character to write in comics.



    What do you with him? Turn him evil by a villain's manipulation? That's been done. Take him to space and away from familiar surroundings? Done. Take away his powers so he's more human? Done.

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  55. i saw bob harras is in dc...


    BWAHAHAHAHA


    /Heidegger

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  56. It'll be down to Geoff Johns writing every title...you just wait!

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  57. DC died for me the day Amanda Waller was no longer fat. 8 (

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  58. create new villains.


    or put a different spin on existing ones.


    worked for flash and GL

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  59. Bringing Jason Todd back didn't change him being Batman's biggest failure. The guy was still a nutcase who nobody would trust when he was resurrected. Bringing him back didn't change that......until the new 52 which changed his backstory to being on good terms with the bat family which was bullshit.


    Also Wally West's persona is more like what you saw in the young justice cartoon; he was always more of a smartass who could be REALLY inconsiderate. In Justice League, he was more like a weird hybrid of Barry and Bart Allen. About the only thing that was true to the character there, was him cracking jokes and hitting on women.

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  60. Morrison claiming he's being mistreated is just plain laughable. He's been doing whatever stupid crap he wanted to their most valuable character for years. If anything, he needed way more editorial control.

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  61. I was never a big fan of Lobo either. But Brad Garrett's voice with THAT character was so made of win.


    -"Holy fraggaroni, feels like I'm being torn apart.....cool."
    -"Alright, someone's definitely tired of breathing."
    -"And I'm the night manager of the hotel de frag, lookie there it's checkout time."
    -"Last call? Already?"

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  62. Yeah, Hal Jordan was super-boring for years, but Geoff Johns managed to make him and boring old Sinestro fascinating again for YEARS. It's the stories, not the characters, that are the problem.

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  63. Night, most everything you said x1,000,000,000. And I didn't wanna name names apart from Didio because like I said, I haven't been following comics closely, but yeah, Geoff Johns, Alex Ross (another favorite artist of mine, sad to say) and, dare I say, Grant Morrison (whom lots of comic geeks seem to love for some reason) are like the poster boys for "naaaaaah, I dunno who these new people are playing Barry, Hal and the rest. Let's just bring the ol' guys back!"


    My fave character is Aquaman. I must be like the only comic geek on earth who didn't hate Rick Veitch's run on Aquaman, just because it really felt like a new chapter in his overall story. It seemed to flow naturally from the Obsidian Age arc, and I was excited to see what was next for Arthur. Even the water hand concept wasn't as bad as most made it out to be in my opinion, just its execution wasn't great (The Thirst? REALLY?). Then came the Throwback Brigade... "Naaaaaahh, that ain't Aquaman, he ain't got no shirt. Give him back his hand and put 'im back in orange and green, just like we remembah!"


    And... I really tried to give New 52 a chance. I picked up a few issues of Aquaman, Nightwing and Batwing. They just don't want to seem to establish any continuity. I think there's still something of the Crisis on Infinite Everythings mentality where there's no cohesion for the sake of chaos, and it's not serving them well.

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  64. Gotta disagree - Wally was around long enough to establish his own persona, and in the JLU cartoon the closest he came to being Barry-like was when he almost didn't come back from the Speed Force (probably my favorite moment for him because I thought it was badass to see the pinnacle of what he was capable of). If anything, Roy Harper as Arsenal irked me more than Wally West ever did, especially during his stint in the Outsiders.

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  65. But don't they do that all the time with Superman? New villain enters, kicks down half of Metropolis and Superman takes him out. Every now and then they do it with a villain who tries to make it personal with Superman but it all ends the same way.

    It's different with GL and Flash because they aren't in the same situation as Superman. GL is basically a space cop and there's SO much you can do with space/sci-fi/aliens, etc. Flash has a great rogue's gallery and can be a fun character (although Barry Allen still sucks). But Superman...he's so stuck in his persona (despite DC's attempt to make him younger) and environment that it's difficult. It seems like only Grant Morrison's take on the character in All-Star Superman seemed particularly innovative yet feel classic/timeless.

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  66. THe problem with Superman new characters is that no one takes the time to cultivate the characters.


    "Bad Guy X isn't a smash hit?! Oh well Upgrade Brainiac and have Lex Luthor run for the House of Representatives!!!!"


    That'll put pages in hands.

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  67. I will admit, the voice was cool.

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  68. I will give him this.


    He may be a raving loon, but he has the balls to stand by his convictions and every now and then... he isn't too far off.


    Reminds me of the Question in JLU

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  69. I was referring to his one shot role of him being a forensic scientist for the central city police department. Which happened in "Flash and Substance". Also his gullibility mirrored Bart Allen too much for my liking. Young Justice's version of Wally West was him to a T.

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  70. What do you (and Scott) think of Superior Spider-Man?

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  71. Yeah, who'd think DC would stoop so low as to be inspired by the Green Lantern movie?

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  72. DiDio = Krankor.

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  73. B:TAS is a tough act to follow. But anything involving Darkseid on S:TAS was epic.

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