How do you guys define addiction? I remember reading Stephen King's "On Writing" and found he realized he had some serious drinking (among other) issues when he would go out to restaurants and be absolutely baffled at people who could only have *A* class of wine, or a *A* beer - his logic being, why would you drink if you didn't intend to get a little buzz-faced?
What do you define as alcoholism / addiction? Any quality "oh man I gotta slow this shit down" stories you want to share if they aren't toooo tragic?
Despite the fact I drink roughly once every three months, I have to agree with King's perception of booze. I don't like the taste of any alcohol or mind altering substance, and am more in it for its obviously intended affects. I'm the same way with folks who spend like fifteen minutes running down a list of what makes THEIR weed, so special - I.E I don't care if its a microbrew, green ninja, happy funtime express, or whatever, I just care that it'll get me a little, or a lot silly.
Could just be me, though.
To bring it back to wrestling, when I look at a guy like Ric Flair, I don't really get alcoholic vibes, so much as...lonely vibes. On the SCSA Podcast you could almost here how excited he was to throw down brews with Stone Cold, and once he had a single beer, you hear the man open up and become a lot more loose.
It's wild. My dad does the same thing, he doesn't even seem to *need* the beer, he'll have a sip or three and suddenly be bonkers. It's wild.
Similarly, while I don't know if the guy needs help or what not, I think in reality he's probably made peace with his drinking and what not - figuring that he's made it this far being that guy who likes to drink, and as far as demons go, that's not the worst one to have, save for an occasional domestic disturbance.
When it comes to addiction recovery I find it insane what DDP has been able to do via the DDP yoga stuff. Naturally time will tell, and not to speak for the guy, but I feel Scott Hall moving out of the accountability ranch wasn't a swell move.
Though DDP said something that made me realize that I probably shouldn't 'smoke' as often as I do. He said something like "Do you like what do you do when you're high or fucked up? No? Then WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?!". It's a good point, and as a result I've stopped the whole "Oh man I wanna be high before this movie!" thing, because I hate being high in public places. Good thoughts from a smart dude.
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What do you define as alcoholism / addiction? Any quality "oh man I gotta slow this shit down" stories you want to share if they aren't toooo tragic?
Despite the fact I drink roughly once every three months, I have to agree with King's perception of booze. I don't like the taste of any alcohol or mind altering substance, and am more in it for its obviously intended affects. I'm the same way with folks who spend like fifteen minutes running down a list of what makes THEIR weed, so special - I.E I don't care if its a microbrew, green ninja, happy funtime express, or whatever, I just care that it'll get me a little, or a lot silly.
Could just be me, though.
To bring it back to wrestling, when I look at a guy like Ric Flair, I don't really get alcoholic vibes, so much as...lonely vibes. On the SCSA Podcast you could almost here how excited he was to throw down brews with Stone Cold, and once he had a single beer, you hear the man open up and become a lot more loose.
It's wild. My dad does the same thing, he doesn't even seem to *need* the beer, he'll have a sip or three and suddenly be bonkers. It's wild.
Similarly, while I don't know if the guy needs help or what not, I think in reality he's probably made peace with his drinking and what not - figuring that he's made it this far being that guy who likes to drink, and as far as demons go, that's not the worst one to have, save for an occasional domestic disturbance.
When it comes to addiction recovery I find it insane what DDP has been able to do via the DDP yoga stuff. Naturally time will tell, and not to speak for the guy, but I feel Scott Hall moving out of the accountability ranch wasn't a swell move.
Though DDP said something that made me realize that I probably shouldn't 'smoke' as often as I do. He said something like "Do you like what do you do when you're high or fucked up? No? Then WHY ARE YOU DOING IT?!". It's a good point, and as a result I've stopped the whole "Oh man I wanna be high before this movie!" thing, because I hate being high in public places. Good thoughts from a smart dude.
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I hate not being high in public places so I dunno about all that. I'm gonna watch TV/play video games/go to a bar etc anyways so why not get high first? More fun
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ReplyDeleteDrug and alcohol addiction is not a pretty picture. I've know real junkies and alcoholics and its a bizzare and frightening thing from the outside looking in.
ReplyDeleteI used to drink a lot... I still do... but I used to, too.
ReplyDeleteAlcoholism/addiction is a subject that causes a great deal of cognitive dissonance for me. I know they're afflictions which really, truly, tangibly exist, but my knee-jerk reaction to them is always, "Just have a little bit of fucking self-control and you can still drink and enjoy it without ruining your life." When, in reality, that's hardly possible for addicts.
ReplyDeleteI love drinking, but I rarely drink with the express purpose of getting drunk these days. I won't even really drink something I don't like; I'm an IPA guy, and I'm not gonna slam some shitty beer just to get a buzz. I'll choose not drinking over that.
The first paragraph is pretty accurate to my view also... but I've known/seen enough people who just can't put that first beer down... or the second... or the tenth...
ReplyDeleteAs for me? I don't drink alcohol. No beer, wine, liquor, etc... I just don't feel the need to poison myself in that manner. No drugs, hell, I wouldn't know how to even get any around here. Nor do I need to know.
(No, I'm NOT better than you. Unless you're incapable of functioning beyond the sleep/eat/sex level. ;) )
Those are my thoughts too - essentially the initial thought is "Get it together!" when in reality it's nearly impossible too.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely.
ReplyDeleteI dunno, I just tend to get paranoid / feel weird / have trouble talking like a normal person haha. "Do these people know I'm high" then distractions, then feeling burnt, not really my thing.
ReplyDeleteMy father was an alcoholic. How could I tell? Because before I was truly old enough to understand (like, say, 15), he sat at home all day. He used to be a cable TV installer/repairman. Then one day, he's at home all day. So, he lost his job. My parents kept EVERYTHING from us kids. Then, when he was home all day, he would sit, shirtless, at the kitchen table and drink. Beer and rum. One night, just after my 15th birthday, I fell asleep on the couch in the den, which was next to the kitchen. My dad woke me up at, like, 2 in the morning, and told me to go upstairs to bed. A few short hours later, he blew his brains out.
ReplyDeleteYears later, I was part of a pub crawl, and had 12 screwdrivers through the whole ordeal. I was trying to get over a woman. I woke up the next morning and wanted something to drink, as I was parched. Well, all I had was chocolate milk. You know where this is going? In my second story bedroom, the chocolate milk was a bad choice. I threw my window open and puked on the first story room underneath it. I hosed it down later in the day. It was then that I swore not to drink ever again. That was July 2001. Not a drop since, and I don't miss it. Also, I have never touched drugs. Not even weed.
But that begs the question: why the fuck do people WANT to get fucked up? Is it boredom? I would think the "fun" part of it would be negated by the after effects (memory loss, hangover, police record).
Terribly sorry for your loss. Tragic story. I'm with you completely on the last part as well.
ReplyDeleteHa, I try not to get too crazy, but there is some value in getting a little silly - for me anyway. When you're high about you think about things in different ways, when you're drunk you're a little more loose and open, and 'not up inside your own head' as they'd say.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I'm sorry that had to happen to ya. Suicide seems to...run in my family, which is concerning, especially since they aren't all that keen on like, mental health and such.
I don't know anything about addiction to hard drugs (I've never once done coke/heroin/meth) or pills or anything, but I have witnessed it. My brother is a recovering heroin addict. He's been clean for about 2 years now and I expect him to stay clean because for him it was physical addiction, not a mental one. Ever see someone go through heroin withdrawal? It's fucking AWFUL, I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone. He wanted to stop, and tried to, but then he'd get dope sick and have to cop a bag. Eventually he got sloppy and got arrested (and I mean really sloppy, I was with him, that's a whole other story in itself) and got bagged. At that point he decided to go to outpatient rehab, because A: he thought it would help his court case (It did, a lot), and B: He needed to go anyway. He has the occasional beer, but outside of that he's totally clean now.
ReplyDeleteAs for me, I'm strictly a weed and booze man. I don't smoke that much, a quarter of some good bud will last me about a month. I probably drink more than I should, though not nearly as much as I did in my 20's. I barely remember anything from about 2006-2010 or so.
Yeah thank *god* my only experience with Heroin has been seeing it on TV - I remember the episode of The Shield where Vic gets that Hooker off the H and it's fucking terrible.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on the 'hard' drugs, too - If the substance has been used more than say...40 percent of the time with "It's a nightmare!" I try to avoid it.
"But that begs the question: why the fuck do people WANT to get fucked up? Is it boredom?"
ReplyDeleteMost of the time, yeah. That's why all these little podunk Midwest towns have a meth epidemic, there's literally nothing else to do but get fucked up.
In high school, I smoked a ton of pot. Hell, if I took a piss test, you would probably see little buds floating around. I drank on weekends too most of the time. I also experimented with LSD and Cocaine then too, using them on a few occasions. I took mushrooms once but they turned out to the fake.
ReplyDeleteWhen I turned around 22-23 years old, I stopped smoking pot. It just made me tired. Plus, I got a decent full-time job and it didnt fit my lifestyle.
I am 31 now and I drank occasionally on the weekends but that is about it. I might have a beer or two when I am out or at home but no way am I drinking and driving and risking going to jail or losing my license. If I go out for a special occasion, my buddies and I will get a cab or rent a van on special occasions.
When I do drink, I love craft beer (stouts, porters, ipa, ales) or ketel one and club soda.
I do not really have a problem with people smoking pot, I mean you can die from alcohol detox, which is a legal product, but at the same time I have seen the damages that it can cause. For instance, if you have a family history of paranoid schizophernia, frequent marijuana use can bring that out in you.
I will say while I don't condone it, Mushrooms at least once in a person's lifetime is worthwhile, you uh 'get in touch with nature' in interesting ways and really do expand your mind. I know it's a cliche, but if you ever wanted to give it a shot, I say go for it.
ReplyDeleteThought LSD is kinda the same, sorta.
I've never even considered doing coke, that shit costs a fucking fortune, and I've never been into uppers, I don't even drink coffee. Have you ever hung out with people that are high on blow? Most annoying people on the planet. I've never even seen meth in person, and a really severe opiate allergy means heroin was never an option.
ReplyDeleteHighly unfortunate. Everybody floats their boat differently, I guess. When I'm bored, I'll flip channels, or browse the web...or geez, go for a drive in the city. There are people who think I'm dull because I don't get fucked up, but I'm the guy who entertains the fucked up people. It's like....I don't need to be drunk or high to say crazy shit. Must be the comedian wannabe in me.
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ReplyDeleteAppreciate the sentiments. I can be a pretty cold motherfucker about the guy though. Even after 20+ years.
ReplyDeletePeople can have diarreah of the mouth from cocaine. When I did it , it was after a hard night of drinking, basically to stay awake and keep me from drinking more.
ReplyDeleteNever seen meth in person.
People get fucked up for different reasons. The most prevalent reason is trying to escape past abuse. Some people have experienced horrific trauma.
ReplyDeleteI work in mental health and I dealt with a patient, a 25 year old male, who told me that he used drugs every day because he does not want to remember the past. His past was that his father sexually abused him and would make him perform jumping jacks naked then pimp him out to his friends. I wouldnt want to remember that either.
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ReplyDeletei don't even own *A* gun, let alone many, which would necessitate an entire rack
ReplyDeleteI am just going to stay out of this thread... this is something I have very strong feelings about... that are the opposite of what most everyone here thinks... I think they have been well documented in the past... and I don't have the time or desire to engage in a flame war.
ReplyDelete"I hate not being high in public places"
ReplyDeleteWhy is that?
Believe it or not I think most of the folks here would probably respect your opinions. They'll argue to the death about it, but not go nuts, unlike a debate I got into over at gawker.com that ended with like 400 posts!
ReplyDeleteThe drug conversation is boring. Who has tried "performance enhancing drugs" like all our heroes.
ReplyDeleteThey don't, and since I am right I am an asshole about it a character flaw I am aware of, but unwilling to change at this point. Its non productive and makes it hard to get along with people in the future... and I come here to unwind, not fight or try to prove a point or whatever.
ReplyDeleteLike caffeine?
ReplyDeleteLike if I'm just out to see a game, eat food, shop or whatever its just more fun. Its like putting frosting on the cake of life.
ReplyDeleteSince there's an anonymous disconnect between this site and real life, I guess I feel comfortable enough to say that I'm an alcoholic, but not in the traditional sense. I can function without beer until I start drinking, then I'm gone.
ReplyDeleteStory #1: First time trying college. Not my freshman year, and far enough along that I'd had enough experiences with alcohol to say I wasn't a lightweight, but still young enough that it was irresponsible and stupid. I was drinking at an apartment party with some friends. Heavy drinking all night -- beers, power hour, and so on. Night dwindles, I'm in a shitty mood because one of the friends was a girl I liked but she was basically interested in other dudes, so I kept at it. I don't know how but at some point I literally went off the fucking deep end. Friends tell me I had a fucking religious experience, was claiming to see angels, and they had to wrestle me to the ground to prevent me from going over a ledge to chase after one. I only recall the wrestling, which I thought was some sort of game. I don't remember the religious shit.
Story #2: Was at a friend's birthday and spending the night. We went to a local bar. More heavy drinking. On our way back I get into an argument with a female friend and for some reason ask her to slap me. She won't. So I slapped her. Worst moment of my life. Again, I don't remember much of it, but I don't doubt it happened. Basically, I had to be quarantined the rest of the night because I was blaming her. Yes, I'm a complete fucking shithead. I know.
Stories #3-10,000: Karma finally reaps its dividends for my shitty behavior. Years of alcoholism catch up to me in the military as the entire culture is built around drinking. They motivate people to come to squadron functions by bribing them with kegs and beer and liquor. So I obliged and drank. And drank. And drank. There are a bunch of stories I could bring up but the most pertinent is: one night I drank too much and ended up in jail in a border town for DWI. I spent 24 hours in a holding cell with drug dealers, gang bangers, and guys who beat their wives all because I was a fucking moron and thought I could drive. Funny thing is, I didn't come to that conclusion until a year or two later. I blamed everyone else. I blamed the cops because I technically passed the field sobriety test but they held me for a few hours until my BAC was high enough to administer the real test; I blamed the military for creating the sort of culture that promoted that lifestyle; and I blamed my friends because I had previously sought help for drinking but no one seemed to give a shit and would still try to get me shitfaced. It wasn't until I got out of the military and was able to reflect on the situation that I was able to come to a place where I was able to accept my responsibility for what happened, in part because I looked back on the previous events that happened before this and was able to put everything into context. Oddly enough, I got off relatively easy from the DWI but I still have the arrest on my record because the state in which it happened won't allow me to get it expunged. So that was also another wake-up call.
That said, I still drink. I do it because I've found that people are more uncomfortable being friends with someone who doesn't than they are with someone who will only drink one and done, and I'm not really a fan of typical alcoholics and support groups where everyone will replace their alcoholism with another addiction (religion, fitness, etc.). I've tried traditional support groups and found they don't work for me, so I manage. But I do know my problem exists and I don't blame anyone but myself for it. I think the most important part of managing an addiction is accepting personal responsibility.
That was my one "addiction", from my youngest years until about 10 years ago. Then I stopped drinking Coke and its caffeinated friends...
ReplyDeleteMy current drinks of choice are Powerade/Gatorade (not choosy, I like both), water, Sierra Mist/7-Up/Sprite (LOVE the "Natural" Mist and Cherry 7-Up), and the occassional root beer (NOT Barq's, that's the only one with caffeine.)
Fwiw if I could make a deal with the devil I'd abstain from all illegal substances for 30 days in a trade for a time machine to go back in time and talk you out of your marriage.
ReplyDeleteWe had a rocky start but I'm firmly on team parallax1978, sober or not buddy youre the shit
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ReplyDeleteLOL that's the strangest compliment I have ever gotten... but I know what a big deal that is for you so thank you.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the support, but I am really not that bummed about the situation, sometimes stuff works, sometimes it doesn't... and while I am not thrilled about it there is no need to dwell on it either and just keep moving forward... I will miss the kid though.
Right with you there. I'm less decisive and tend to get introspective, both of which are not great qualities to have when out in public being social. I limit myself to when I'm doing stuff at home, out for walks or something by myself, or sometimes with close friends who I can really relax around.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty good at hiding it and acting 'normal,' but where's the fun in that. Plus Bostonians and New Englanders in general reeeeally do not appreciate indecisiveness.
Speaking of addiction you really need to look into this otter fascination you have...
ReplyDeleteI have not but a guy who was a pretty good friend in college used them for years. We are no longer friends because he became a total dick.
ReplyDeleteI was actually just poking fun at Caliber... but caffeine is a legit addiction that doesn't get nearly the attention it should
ReplyDeleteI've been drinking since 15, and am 29 now. Never once tried a cigarette or any other drug.
ReplyDeleteI think it depends on the area. Amsterdam is right, boredom is a primary cause in most small towns. I'm from rural Pennsylvania where weekends exist solely to drink and escape the monotony of everyday life. Not so coincidentally, we have ridiculously high DUI rates. I saw the same thing in the military where the base I was at would have like one to two DUI arrests a week while the town it was near of roughly the same size would go weeks without one.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I miss the most about it, making mundane tasks awesome.
ReplyDeleteThere is indeed a huge correlation between childhood abuse, mental illness, and substance abuse. I'm a psychiatric nurse, and it's frightening how often all three go hand-in-hand.
ReplyDeleteI used to love my stores like yours but now I realize how frightening they are.
ReplyDeleteDoing the dishes and sweeping the floors while listening to something like Steve Austin's podcast or some standup comedy becomes incredibly fun too.
ReplyDeleteDrugs rrr bad. Mmmkay.
ReplyDeleteSame here.
ReplyDeleteI think it's important to know that good people can do really bad things sometimes. Everyone's a human, ya know? People should be judged on their actions, but those judgements should also take into account their life, how they lived it, and general situation.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
ReplyDeleteI am going back to school to become a psychiatric nurse. I have worked as a MHC on an inpatient unit for several years. Substance abuse is prevalent in more than half of the cases we see
ReplyDeleteHell yeah! Best entrances on the Saturday night bullshit posts.
ReplyDeleteDisagree. It doesn't typically interfere with ones ability to function and its nearly impossible to OD on it or have any other medical setbacks with it. Its glorious
ReplyDeleteHes the fucking Ted Turner to my Vince McMahon. Jk im a fan
ReplyDeletewith tiny nuts.
ReplyDeleteFrom reading your posts I feel that you hate drugs, alcohol, am a hardcore right winger and very level headed. Am I 4 for 4?
ReplyDeleteI drink 3 or 4 beers a night, a couple of bottles of vodka on the weekend.. but by no means am I an alcoholic, those people have a problem I don't :)
ReplyDelete3 for 4. I am a left of Lenin progressive/liberal/communist/socialist whatever ist... Every candidate I have worked for had been a left of center Democrat... and in some cases a far left of center Democrat. I had one local candidate I worked for drop out of the Democratic primaries and run as a Green (I quit working for him then... I am an idealist, but I am not interested in wasting my time).
ReplyDeleteWhat led you to believe I was a hardcore right winger?
Love this quote. Party on, Wayne.
ReplyDeleteI just assumed because you weren't up in the Feminism thread talking about being an "ally", "Privilege", "Mansplaining" and a variety of other terms liberal types use to marginalize the opinions of people who talk about those who have been marginalized.
ReplyDeleteAlways been very lucky, I've never had a real addiction outside of smoking for ten years which I quit cold turkey and never looked back at. I basically try to avoid anyone that has any sort of issue like that, don't go to bars or anything, I'd rather drink three beers or some wine at home. I avoid them like the plague but do honestly feel bad for them too, addiction looks like a real bottomless hell.
ReplyDeleteparty on, garth
ReplyDeleteYeah I watched a manager at work five years younger than me basically fuck his entire life in the face because he couldn't stop drinking. He's one of those guys where you're like "oh they're party animals" until you realize that your late 20s is when you need to STOP THAT SHIT because all of a sudden you're coming to work shitfaced.
ReplyDeleteI don't ht every checkbox for sure. I don't much care for women (or cuntbeasts as I like to call them) I am not for legalizing drugs, and I agree with Republicans on the amount of abuse there are of social welfare programs (though I don't agree with their approach to fixing them) and some of my attitudes on running a business are not necessarily popular with lefties... that's about it... but that is real world stuff... my ideal world is more left than people can wrap their brains around.
ReplyDeleteI thought I had seen you slam Obama in some posts. Youre always talking about capitalism also. Pleasently surprised by your left wing stance.
ReplyDeleteI think a bit part of the issue is the whole "Social Drinking" culture that's heavily propagated out there. It's probably hard as fuck to be an alcoholic in recovery because EVERYONE YOU KNOW probably still goes out for "a beer or two". Shit, my brother's not an addict by a giant beer snob, and so he has a "mid-afternoon BEER" every once in a while- if one of his friends had a drinking problem, he'd be fucked just hanging out with the guy.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I mean I think my issue with most left-wing folks is the kind of millitarism of it all? They refuse (generally, anyway) to take things as degrees. I made a point about how Julianne Hough dressing up with dark skin for her costume was *yes* a little insensitive, but not really like, blatantly racist and the shit storm I received was some kind of special, let me tell you.
ReplyDeleteLegit lol...fucking caliber, that never gonna get old
ReplyDeleteThere is a great South Park episode where one of the characters says basically what you said--"It's not a disease. Just have a little goddamn self-control!"
ReplyDeleteI never got the whole drinking until you're so passed out that people will draw things on you and shave your eyebrows. I don't grasp how that could be fun and something you'd want to experience again and again.
Also never got other people being so blase, shrugging and saying-- "It's college. What can you do?"
I've gone to work drunk ONCE, and I hated every second of it.
ReplyDeletePart of me never "got" addictions because I had it drummed into me from Day One by TV, cartoons, the media, my parents, etc. that "drugs are bad" and that drinking too much is bad, too. Since I hated the taste of alcohol and HATED being drunk, I never got how anyone could like it.
ReplyDeleteIt helps that I'm a grouch who can't fucking STAND to be around giggly high/drunk people who cause a giant ruckus and try to make themselves the centre of attention. Seeing drunk people more than once should be enough to keep everyone away from addiction, in my mind (if only it worked that way for everyone else).
But I still hate the modern apologetic culture of "oh he's just an addict", acting like they have zero control and they have a "disease" that makes them like that. Fuck that- we consider murderers psychopathic monsters who ruin lives without thinking, and I have the same philosophy regarding monsters who take as much as possible and ruin the lives of everyone around them because they can't stop. People have 100% accountability for the shit they do while they were high or drunk (a HUGE amount of property crime & assault is based off of addictions).
I think judgment is actually a good thing. I realize a lot of what I did was because of a pressure I felt to fit in, to go with the flow. A lot of people will do terrible things in the presence of others because they feel it's acceptable or promoted by the group. Evil is typically born out of banality:
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Yeah, they seem fun at 21, but a few years on and you realize, "Holy shit, I was a psychopath."
ReplyDeleteObama isn't really a left wing politician though, so it stands to reason.
ReplyDeleteIt just turns you into a fattie if you have to much.
ReplyDeleteOr a diabetic.
"Yeah, I mean I think my issue with most left-wing folks is the kind of militarism of it all? They refuse (generally, anyway) to take things as
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That is not just the left, folks on the right are exactly the same. People in general, especially in an "us vs them" 2 party system get militaristic about their party line
Well I think the problem is that there is an addictive element that is VERY hard to control. For some people it's buying something they 'need' but can't afford, for others it's getting that extra order of fries then realizing they probably shouldn't have. It's a compulsion that, when you're dealing with it, makes you CRAZY until the compulsion goes away.
ReplyDeleteI agree there is an element of will-power, and I don't think "I'm an addict" should be an excuse for bad things, but I can understand, as a fat guy who eats too much, how hard it is to not do something you really like, because you fucking like it, and when you want too, no one is going to change your mind.
" I've found that people are more uncomfortable being friends with someone who doesn't than they are with someone who will only drink one and done"
ReplyDeleteGOD YES. I'm not a big drinker, but I TOTALLY get how some people are basically pushed/forced/cajoled/badgered into doing it all the time. Drinkers LOVE to have company while they're getting shitfaced. Somebody who doesn't do it a lot gets treated like they're "weird" or that "you don't know how to have fun", because being loud in a bar counts as fun to some people.
But for example I can talk to like, hardcore, republican, religious folks and say "Hey, do you think Gay people should have the right to get married" and get a no, but then in the next breadth get a "But I think they should be allowed to have all the rights of a married couple".
ReplyDeleteLiberals tend to be very black and white - from what I've seen living in Chicago during the Obama honeymoon.
I have a friend who's a 100% legit junkie. He always lies about it, and every time I see him he just lies to me about his car being in an impound, or his stuff is in a storage locker or he tries to tell me something all just to get some money. He will just dissapear for weeks at a time etc etc man and its just like shocking to see his house and how he lives. Most of his other friends have shyied off of him because he's lied and stole and they expect him to just die but I know what he's about and I won't lend him money or believe his bullshit I just like his company. Like I took himwith me to summerslam last year. Good friend but iI'm bracing for his death.
ReplyDeleteOne more thing to add to this. High school kids are an impressionable bunch, right? I mean, I'm not a parent. I am a step-parent, but that's a whole other story. I'm talking about my own potential flesh and blood here, not some fucked up whack job that i inherited though marriage. So, if I'm wrong, I can give you the number to my lawyer and you can let him know you're suing me.
ReplyDeleteThe thing I'm getting at is this: a lot of high school kids are eager to get that drunk on. Look at movies like Project X and 21 & Over. Tell me that those movies are not targeted at high school kids. As an adult, I have no interest in seeing fictional kids celebrating getting fucked up and making a mess of things. No one tells the real kids that IT NEVER HAPPENS LIKE THAT! Kids think it's cool to binge drink and wind up in a hospital room, getting the contents on their stomach yanked out of them. Or some girl can't remember what guy(s) fucked up her life, leading to yet another problem...the viral video of them getting gang raped.
Again...I'm not a dad. But I would be fucking scared for my kid every time they left the damn house.
I'm late, did I miss all the Ryan Murphy jokes?
ReplyDeleteI grew up in the town with the highest teen pregnancy rate in Ontario (first outside the territories for awhile)
ReplyDeleteWhen there is nothing else to do in a dead end town--kids get drunk and fuck.
We have free condom dispensers in every bathroom at the high school to try and curb the issue
Why are we making Ryan Murphy jokes?
ReplyDeleteSo kids have cell phones...computers...video game consoles...and they're bored? What passes for fun these days anyway?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I have a friend who is/was addicted to stupid shit like "lying around and being on the internet", addicted to sex, and addicted to spending money. He would blow through a paycheck like NOTHING on the most retarded movies imaginable (Plunkett and fucking McLean? MONKEYBONE?!?!). I frequently had to bail out his half of the rent money (we were roomates) because he accidentally spent it earlier that week because he miscalculated when his paycheck was coming.
ReplyDeleteYou can understand "an addictive personality", but it's still a big bad of stupid, dick moves. It's like someone who's intelligence is just naturally lower than everyone else's, or makes poor decisions, but there's also a clinical inability to see how what you're doing is affecting others, that makes me see these people as uncaring monsters at times.
I think you just hit why Tony Soprano is such a compelling character on the head.
ReplyDeleteI disagree. I have the opposite experience, and neither of us are wrong.
ReplyDeletewe see what we want too, and are more aware of their "side" fucking up then our own. It's easier to forgive bullshit logic or reason when, ultimately, they are going to vote with you.
For what it's worth, I live in a town that has elected a conservative for more then my entire life--so hive mentalities of the people we interact with is there as well
He is the BoD's resident alcoholic.
ReplyDeleteI have a good friend who's like that but is a shut in instead of an addict, doesn't leave, no desire to get a job and stuff, which is sad, but he also loves pro-wrestling and video games, and is one of the few people I can talk to about them both at length without getting a "okay man, we get it, you like wrestling" kind of look.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in my late teen's up to mid 20's I used to snort dope but I never actually shot it up. Its a very intense drug that feels great to do but I would always notice that I would end up doing drugs with these weird ass people I barely knew. It kind of made me like it less. I haven't done it 5 or 6 years at this point. It wasn't even a conscious decision, I just kind of moved on. I know a few people that I grew up with who really struggled with that particular drug and it ruined their lives until they embraced complete sobriety. I have one friend who is still a complete junkie and its sort of sad to see even though do I still like the guy and am not naive enough to fall for any of his junkie lies bullshit so I havent had to back away from him like many of our other friends.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing that always remember from back when I would get high like that was busting it out in some kind of social setting and people would freak the fuck out. It really carries a very dangerous reputation. And these were the same kinds of scenes where a little casual cocaine was acceptable. But take out a couple 20 bags of dope and people would run and hide like I showed them a gun.
Bored may not be the right word...Unfulfilled is better
ReplyDeleteIt's a really depressing town for a lot of reasons. Many of the teen pregnancies are ON PURPOSE because it's hicksville and they have no desire to DO anything with their lives. Had a friend say she wants a baby when she was 18, I told her to put a fucking rubber on it.
Games make me happy in that they are fun, but they don't fulfill me socially. Social drinkers are generally extroverts who crave action and companionship, so when they are lonely they try to fill the whole by drinking with friends.
It's always single people who drink the most in my experience--it's a crutch
Yeah, I think one of the things I'm happy about is the whole New England, Mick Catholic, do whatever the fuck you want just don't be in my face about it, thing.
ReplyDeleteI like seeing both sides - I can understand why people are put off by homosexuality (because to straight people, it doesn't biologically compute, and can have a...repulsive...effect, I think), but also think those same people should be able to understand that just because something isn't for them, doesn't mean we shouldn't protect it, etc.
Similarly, I can see the need for the ACLU, but find it incredibly difficult for cultures to come together when any kind of comment about a given subculture is met with the kind of vitriol that would turn someone who wants to support a given cause, off.
I made a point about how some Republicans can see Birth Control as a "get out of jail free card" as an attempt to perhaps see their side of a story to a couple of people who run a GLBT group, and they ravaged me like .
I think the problem in general is that we have so much trouble seeing the other side of a story. It's like people who swear by Jon Stewart and hate Fox News despite never seeing it. If you can understand *why* someone is a monster, you're that much closer to getting what you want, ya know?
I love John Stewart--HE gets it, many of his viewers however, do not.
ReplyDeleteNow a days I just like to smoke/eat weed and drink a bit. Here and there I might do a line of coke if someone else has it (might=will for sure) but I always was able to just do a little blow while i was drinking or something and stop. I hated the up all night talking forever scene. Two lines in the bathroom at the bar and I cigarette ok I'm in. Partying with it all night, no thanks. And I will do oxys in certain specific types. Farva probably knows what I'm talking about, the 60mg chewable gel tabs. Instead of swallowing I'll just chew it up and get fuuuuuucked up for hours and hours. But I might do shit like that 4 times a year or so. I enjoy drinking a glass of scotch or bourbon after work (glenlivet 18 is my preferred shit or wild turkey 101 or the rare breed) but I can definitely just enjoy a drink or two without getting wasted. Weed, now thats some shit I probably abuse to the umpteenth degree. The only time I'm not getting high is at work. I'll smoke weed all day and night on the weekends and I usually start blazing in my car on the way home. I never feel guilty about it because I've got a full time white collar gig, nice shit, and friends so why shouldn't I do what I want. I hate the sterotypical stoner that eats fucking cheetos and sits on the couch all day. Or all the people or "oh dude I got the munchies so bad" They give bad reputations to respectable pot smokers like myself.
ReplyDeleteExactly, he'll spend ten minutes on Drone strikes, then make a point to explain WHY we're kind of doing them, but that's no fun now, is it?
ReplyDeleteWell to be fair those people also probably assumed you had a gun.
ReplyDeleteJohn Stewart himself is what I think the majoriety of people on the left are like (maybe not all as intteligent/informed--but as reasonable), just like the majority of Republicans are reasonable people.
ReplyDeleteBut we hear from the fringes, because that's easier.
I say that as someone who IS rather far to the left by American standards (Centre Left by Canadian)
I had a friend who went through 20-year-old binge drinking, and went to work hung over on 1 hour of sleep. Worst day of his life, and his supervisor made fun of him.
ReplyDeleteThis is kind of what I was getting at with my question - is it 'okay' (not good, but...acceptable) to engage in these sorts of things if you're comfortable with your life, have a job, and those activities don't interfere?
ReplyDeleteI don't know. You seem to do a lot of stuff I absolutely swear off of, but I'm also not about to judge you / say you're an addict because you seem to have your life together. It's tricky.
Then again I was recently given a perscription for legal amphetamine for ADHD, which has changed my life for the better in about a billion ways, and I've essentially had to stop smoking pot as of this week because they want to do a tox screen, which is fine.
For the record, when the QOTD is late? It's because I forgot to take my Adderall that day and didn't 'feel like' posting. It's rough.
I've never smoked weed. Never liked the smell of it. Never knew anybody I liked better when they were stoned than when they weren't. And most importantly, the girl I was trying to get with in college was *death* on the stuff, so I got a lot of one-on-one time with her while everyone else at the party was smoking the skunk weed that Murray the Asshole had been carrying in his pants pocket all day.
ReplyDeleteI'm a one-pack-every-two-months smoker; I use them for stress management. My life isn't arranged in a way where I can take an evening, have a few drinks and unwind. I can't find a couple of hours every month to have lunch with a friend and gripe about life. I can't even find an hour a week to get into therapy. But I can find five minutes to hang out on the balcony while I read stuff for work.
He hasn't been around in a bit. I actually had a question I wanted some of his insight into.
ReplyDeleteWhats everyones take on food addiction? As someone who tries very hard to only eat healthy food it makes me fucking crazy when I hear a overweight person cry about being fat when they still eat like shit. Part me feels like hey dude, put the fucking bread and pasta or fast food or whatever down and eat a salad. Or don't drink that soda, go to the juice bar and get a carrot spinach beet and berry concoction or something. But I think part of what makes me so mad is that I kind of want to eat donoughts or hamburgers and they get to. But it does make sense to me that people would compulsively eat and if you were truly and addict its going to be so hard to walk away from food when you have to eat something everyday. Like if I alcoholic had to take three drinks every day to live how hard would that be? I'm still not sure what my opinion is on this.
ReplyDeleteYeah that is about right. I 'aint gonna lie, I've been to a few parties where someone gets blitzed, but it's always a different dumbass and my friends all (generally) know when to just fucking stop. If they don't we MAKE them.
ReplyDeleteStill looking forward to another round of Super "let's get smashed" Bros, the drinking game we invented for the Wii
Drunk Murph was just on theblog like 2 days ago he said stuff like "THIRQENIKWEGNKV" and moved on
ReplyDeleteYeah, I loved that bit where someone (Christopher, I think. Maybe Melfi) pointed out that "he's an eater- he sees something and he demands it be his". I actually made the same remark about that friend to his brother, and we agreed- he's actually done Tony-esque shit, like get upset because ex girlfriends are with new guys. He fucked around on his girlfriend with another girl, and got pissed when the one he cheated with got a boyfriend (they kept on fucking, of course)
ReplyDeleteHe got pissed because his female roommate had a boyfriend, because HE never got to fuck her. Since he fucked his OTHER female roommate, he didn't care when SHE got a boyfriend. He even ADMITTED HIS FEELINGS about that to me, like it was some rational thing!
In this case, it's pathological selfishness. Though addicts are basically the same deal. As are people with depression, I've found- all they can think of is THEM and THEIR DEPRESSION and how it AFFECTS THEM. They can seem nice, but every once in a while you get how their entire universe is just themselves.
Ah...clarification. But at the same time, I have heard people use "boredom" as an excuse. Maybe they mean unfulfilled. In this day and age, it is hard to be bored, in the common use of the word. Entertainment is always at your fingertips, literally. I crave a little social interaction once in a while, but then again, I'm married, and the shackles always get locked at 6:00 PM, and the key is kept in her vagina. And if you've ever gone searching in a vagina for anything....well, who gives a fuck about bromances.
ReplyDeleteReally I think a lot of Food Addiction comes from whatever place other food addiction comes from.
ReplyDeleteBoy I had a rough day, time to
Boy I had a great day! I should reward myself with
You know what, I ate great these last few days, I'm gonna treat myself with
You can find any excuse as an excuse to eat something bad for you that you really like. Worse, when you know what bad stuff you DO like, and what healthy options are available, suddenly the quantity over quality thing comes into play, too.
I've tried dieting off and on, and I'll typically make it a few months because something happens (recently it's been a birthday) where I fall off the wagon and kind of half-assedly get back on before falling off completely.
It's not really as simple as "Hey you know what I want? A heart attack at forty!", gimmie them there giant bag of salty chips, and some salsa, and some pepper jack cheese to melt over it. It's like a cigarette or fap or anything else. Explain it out loud and you sound like an idiot and can't explain. Inside, well, inside it makes all the sense in the world.
That said I have switched from Sodas to teas and milks, and am generally a lot thinner (figuratively) now than I was in high-school / college. And the whole ADHD thing has turned fast food from a (seriously) twice a day thing to a sometimes a week thing.
I think food addiction is a real thing, and like any compulsive behavior, I support people getting help for it. I also think the majority of the people who claim "food addiction!" are using it as an excuse to do what they want intead of as a diagnosis of a problem to be solved. "Addiction" isn't carte blanche to do whatever you want.
ReplyDeleteSee, you make a comment like that about girls getting shitfaced and then raped, and now it's all "YOU'RE BLAMING THE VICTIM! BLAMING THE VIIIICTIIIIMMMMM!!!" as if it's 100% not her fault, like a guy who leaves his car & garage unlocked and has his car stolen isn't ALSO a damn fool for letting people steal from him.
ReplyDeleteIt sucks that smokers at my job get a fifteen minute break, and as a non smoker I'm stuck inside all the time, so I took up driving...and smoking black and milds. Which I stopped until this month when Black and Mild Jazz's (which taste like oranges) went on sale for 79 cents.
ReplyDeleteDespite my last name I've never drank or taken anything. I just always had the over-thought block of not getting why you would "make" yourself feel good. I've also seen two close relatives just drink until they died and this has just put the cap on me being adventurous in the field of substances. Just clarifying this is how I feel about this in regards to myself and don't judge others for what they do, once again look at the last name most of the people I love are drinkers and I think no less of them for it.
ReplyDeleteGood for you. I think the important thing for anyone who 'partakes' to realize is that it doesn't make us better people or what not, and that in the grand scheme of things its probably (definately) is bad for you, but to each their own, ya know?
ReplyDeleteWhen you can't go a day without it/ do it out of routine even if you don't particularly feel like it.
ReplyDeleteI think depression or any sort of addiction, once you realize it, can be a way to cope, if it means you post about in FB - I know a girl who posts about her 'rape' in monthly allotments - "It's been four months since my rape" and so on - and while I find it annoying, I can't really blame these people because I don't really know what they're dealing with, and if they can get up out of bed in the morning via realizing they have a condition, more power to them.
ReplyDeleteThough I never do understand people who like to broadcast all their personal demons to the world.
*reads thread*
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Well, they swim, they have cute little human hands, they build shit, they're like humans with fur!
ReplyDeleteYeah, my cop friend tells me that all the kids who got high on Oxycontin recreationally have ended up being fucked over because the new Oxy is harder to smoosh up or whatever. So instead they're using the closest thing... HEROIN. Which is much, much worse.
ReplyDeleteIt just seems, if it is a real thing, its very hard to treat. An alcoholic can walk away, how does a food addict do that? I guess you would have to address whatever underlying issues caused it but I don't really know how that could be done and if every time you eat a bowl of oatmeal or an apple if those feeling come back?
ReplyDeleteWhat did people USED to do in small towns, anyways? My parents grew up in small towns/farming communities, and generally talk about partying a lot, but teen pregnancy was much more rare.
ReplyDeleteI eat way too much junk food, especially sugary stuff, but I can keep it to a minimum to lose weight (I was never obese, but went from 193 lbs. to 173 lbs. based off of dropping sugary drinks (pop/soda, generally) and holding off on junk. So I get the addiction, but I know that it's one of the easier ones to kick (compared to say, most illegal drugs). Oddly, it's also one of the ones that least-unhealthy- being fat isn't good for you, but fat people are a lot healthier than meth-heads & junkies.
ReplyDeleteI guess what some people might say is the old Bob Saget "Hey did you ever suck dick for weed" gag, as far as food addiction goes. What that might mean is yeah it could make you fat and kill you but does it make you lose your home, lie to people, steal etc. And is that even the criteria for an addiction?
ReplyDeleteBut on the other hand I know that theres people that just compulsively do stuff thats bad for them, for many reasons. So I think you would have to say its a real mental addiction.
Yeah I guess it depends on how you define addiction. It has affected my life, I mean I am far less attractive than someone who isn't eating at Wendy's twice a week would be, it affects your confidence because you feel like a fat sow (heffer?) after you get over the "ooh this is tasty" dopamine injection, and in general there's nothing quite as irksome as wondering if you can fit on a Roller Coaster ride because you ate too much fried shit for the last 20 years of your life.
ReplyDeleteIt did lead to one funny instance when a Polish co-worker, at a work Christmas party, found out I didn't drink and started acting like I had cancer "are you sure your alright?" "I can get you a drink if you need one" in a genuinely concerned fashion all night.
ReplyDelete"Hey, do you think Gay people should have the right to get married" and get a no, but then in the next breadth get a "But I think they should be allowed to have all the rights of a married couple".
ReplyDeleteFUCKING RIGHT. I'm not a complete "Get government out of our lives yesterday" Libertarian, but here's one issue where I see a perfect reason to truly respect the "separation of Church and State". Leave "marriage" to religion, and just recognize legal "pairings/partnerships" for civil rights (succession, adoption, medical/legal choices, etc...)
Both of my parents were alcoholics, although my mother was also into much heavier shit. She'd disappear for days, presumably on coke binges if my older sister is to be believed (they had the same dealer). I abstained from everything until I was 19, because I'd seen what alcohol had put my parents through. My Dad got to the point where he was drinking mouthwash, for fuck's sake. I tried drinking once or twice when I was 17, but didn't like it at all. Plus I figured pot was what made my sisters and their friends act like shitheads, so fuck it - why not just abstain from everything? Draw black Xs on my hands while I'm at it.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was 19 though, I was hanging out with a bunch of dudes I knew from Boy Scouts who were passing a pipe around, and when it was offered to me one friend said "oh no, Elmo doesn't smoke" (they DID actually call me Elmo at the time, too) & that was that. No pressure, no nothing. So of course that was the first night I tried smoking weed. I believe that it's really the only drug out there that (as long as you still get up, wash your ass, go to work, etc) you can do every day & function perfectly well on. This includes caffeine - I know plenty of hardcore potheads, and I've never seen one who gets a headache if they miss their wake & bake the same way those who drink coffee would.
This isn't to say there AREN'T people out there who smoke every day & don't do shit with themselves, but it's my belief that they're just being lazy douches who would find some other reason not to go outside even if they didn't smoke pot.
Anyway, after 19 I did a complete 180 & figured "if I do this one thing I said I'd never do, why not try everything else?" Aside from heroin (which I'd never even seen until I moved to the country) & meth (which I still have thankfully never seen), I've tried virtually everything under the sun. Had a coke problem for a while, but realized it and was able to get away from the enabling girlfriend. I like 'shrooms and LSD, but even after the first time on each I realized "wow, you couldn't do this shit every day." Co-worker of mine once told me she'd tripped four times in one week, I looked at her like she was crazy.
Cigarettes & beer have been my nagging addictions, but I'm working on 'em. I basically replaced cocaine with smoking & drinking (although never hard liquor, always just cheap beer) after I broke up with that girl, and it took me five years to get sick of that shit. They're both more mental than physical. Whoever said "unfullfillment rather than boredom" hit the nail on the head for me. I get stressed/depressed/any other kinda -essed, I want a smoke or a drink. If I don't have/can't afford either for a given amount of time, I'm physically fine. I won't be happy, but I don't go through alcohol withdrawl like I've seen my father go through (which is fucking terrible to see). Like I said, I'm working on it.
Both parents are sober these days, too, and although my mother has replaced her addictions with religion (thus making it impossible for me to relate to her as a human being), my Dad's been back to his usual weird-ass sober self for some time now. It's been long enough that we've all stopped counting. Can't believe he's put up with my drunk ass this long...
I think we will never fully be able to embrace each other as people of different races until we can poke fun of each in a good natured way. At my job there is an Indian guy who just doesn't give a fuck what comes out of his mouth and makes all kinds of ridiculous racial remarks. This has actually really broken the ice with everyone and gotten us all to joke more with each other and have some fun instead of getting all pissed and uptight anytime someone makes a slightly racial remark.
ReplyDeleteI got fucking buried for even slightly suggesting gay marriage should be carefully considered.
ReplyDelete"Hey Vince, guess what I'm in the Bloggin' business!"
ReplyDelete"Ok Ted, but I'm in the discussion of thoughts over several mediums business."
You know, of every single self serving piece of bullshit VKM has ever said one of those fucking dvds vinces story of Ted calling him up and saying "Hey Vince, guess what, I'm in the rasslin' business" with vince responding "Ok Ted, but I'm in the entertainment business" has to be the most offensive to me.
Ok I'll buy that Turner called Vince in the early 90's and said that, since they had discussed doing business and Vince is the man in that industry but 1)there is no way a guy as creatively devoid as vince had a good comeback ready to go and 2) ummm hey Vince, Ted Turner owned two pro sports teams, arguably the three most prominent channels on cable television, a national magazine, several arenas, a gigantic film library, and movie studio. Ummmm I'm pretty sure that Ted Turner is a little deeper in the entertainment business that Vince has ever come close to. That pipe dream about a cable channel, yeah Turner had that shit 30 years ago. It just made me want to say, look vince, you're the man AT THE WRESTLING BUSINESS, you suck at everything else. Ted Turner is a fucking all time legendary entertainment mogul
I don't know the answer to this. I've never had a problem with addiction.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was a teenager I did every drug that I could get my hands on. I've tried most of anything common that you've heard of at least once, many of them a lot more than once. The only ones that I've really ever welcomed into my daily lifestyle though are weed, cocaine, and booze.
I drank and partied very heavily from about 17-23. I was working in bars and booze was either free or cheap, and the culture in restaurants and bars is a drinking one, and so I would get pissed after work and then go to a party and drink until dawn (or so) more nights than not. Weed and coke were commonly done on shift, and off. It was all just a mess.
I never craved it, or needed it though. Not ever. Booze, or drugs. I could easily party my face off for weeks and then just stop for whatever reason and be totally fine. I could always sit and watch other people drink, and remain sober if I had to without a problem. I rarely chose that option, but I did when needed and it was never hard for me.
After about 23 I got sick of that lifestyle, and the associated problems. I have been at the heart of more than my fair share of "scenes" caused by myself or by associates. I essentially stopped drinking, and doing drugs (other than weed) overnight, just because I wanted to. And it was never hard. I did still dabble in cocaine for a few years, but haven't done it at all now in years, and likely won't again, as I don't generally see that as a healthy option for a getting towards middle aged man. I did do some MDMA at my bachelor party.. and at my wedding a few years ago (had me feeling like a champion), but that was the last time that I did drugs. I still drink, although rarely. I'll go months without having any drinks at all but I am still perfectly capable of having just 1, or if the situation calls for it, staying out all night and falling out of a cab onto my lawn at 8am. It happens. Not very often though.
I have always smoked weed since I was 14, although nowhere near as much now as I have in the past. I like 1 small joint every day after dinner for the most part. I have gone significant streches without doing even that though, basically just to prove that weed wasn't my secret addiction that I couldn't kick. I've quit for months and again, never felt any craving or had issues.
Maybe I'm just lucky. I'll take it.
I'll just say with Mary Jane, I love it but currently abstain. My state has no medical program in place and I'll be damned if I get arrested and have to explain that to people. I indulge maybe once a year, sometimes not even that, and it truly becomes a religious experience. Also I love craft beer and even do some home brewing. Huge IPA fan, nothing wrong with a beer or 2 after a hard days work.
ReplyDeleteOnward, and upward as the saying goes.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I guess more-over I'm trying to get over the fact that because of race we tip-toe.
ReplyDeleteI just feel that the 'key' to this whole thing is the benefit of the
doubt. There's nothing worse for a white person (which I know have it great and don't have problems and shouldn't even begin to think critically about race other than to agree with everything thats termed as racist), then being termed a racist when in actuality they're just ignorant or assume we're all 'post-race'. Because when that happens, suddenly there's this..wall, where you're afraid to interact, afraid to say the wrong thing, afraid to talk about any number of subjects.
If I talk about Basketball with this black guy is he going to assume I'm talking about it because he's black, or that the game is on?
If I start talking about Rap music to this black guy, is he going to assume I'm talking to him about it because he's black and I want cred, or because I actually like rap music and saw he did too when on his Spotify playlist?
So we...turtle. We keep our heads down, don't talk to people who aren't like us, and let everyone carry on their way, afraid to offend ormisspeak or make reference to something associated with their culture for fear of appearing as a bigot.
http://gawker.com/isnt-black-face-a-specific-thing-i-e-its-black-paint-a-1452667520
Read that shit show if you want a lark.
And the weed thing I don't feel is any issue at all. I have a regular, white collar job, that I always show up to, and am respected in my field. I have a wife, and a kid, and they are both well taken care of. I own a house, all of my bills are paid on time, and I have money in the bank.
ReplyDeleteSo as far as being your stereotypical slacker pothead, I am not that. And I know many other people in a similar situation to myself.
Mom and Daughter with the same coke dealer...Sounds like a winner of a parent.
ReplyDeleteOff the topic but did you find the 1985 wwf tv's on youtube or did you torrent that shit? I'm up to the 9-22-84 msg show, and watching the 1984 wwf tv (all-star/championship wrestling and the MSG shows) has been fucking fascinating and I'm gonna try do the next year too.
ReplyDeletethat uh, four letter acronym I'm not going to type in case the NSA is on to us, is absolutely wild and definately the first time I ever got a "Wow, I CAN NOT do this any more because I like it too much".
ReplyDeleteI work with a lot of black people, many who are good friends. I wouldn't think twice about doing something like ripping a black quarterback or talking shit about Obama.
ReplyDeleteDude people doing coke are the worst. They have to pull you off to the side and try and have some heart to heart while they babble on about nothing.
ReplyDeleteI think people want to get fucked up because it's fun, but it is a very very fine line to walk on.
ReplyDeleteThat is a great point. I have so much shit that I don't see how I could ever get board. Not even taking into consideration the world outside my front door theres the internet, video games, netflix, dvr, porn, google earth, like you could entertain yourself non stop for the rest of your life. I always kind of thought the whole, we have nothing better to do here excuse was just a cop out anyways
ReplyDeleteYou gotta love a nice cold IPA
ReplyDeleteYuck. I can't 'get' beer.
ReplyDeleteI get beer, but I don't get IPAs at all.
ReplyDeleteI am a very big fan of well brewed beer. Honeymooned in Belgium and visited the trappist monestaries.
ReplyDeleteI would think someone who enjoys pot would love a dank IPA.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed your entire post, but that third paragraph is a really great point too.
ReplyDeleteEh, again I'm about results not process. I know people who love to talk and talk and talk about why something is the best of all time, and I'm like...kay, I guess my pallette isn't refined enough..can we do like, some caronas with lime or something?
ReplyDeleteWaiting in line to get into Raw right now. I think the doors just opened.
ReplyDeleteIf you find 85 skip right on ahead to the December MSG show and watch the Hogan-Savage bloodbath.
ReplyDeleteWith beer I truly enjoy the process as much as the result.
ReplyDeletealso probably why you're such a fantastic lover.
ReplyDeletePrediction: Tonight is the night Punk finally gets involved with the main storyline.
ReplyDeleteBingo.
ReplyDeleteIf you see an average height guy with a brown beard and a red Angry Beaver's hat that's me :P
ReplyDeleteYep. Every time I've seen someone fucked up on coke it made me not want to do it. If that's how it makes you act, then fuck that shit.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I don't know if he was my sister's "dealer" yet. At the time I think he was just "the friend who always did coke."
ReplyDeleteI grew up spending my summers playing AAU basketball with a lot of black kids. The biggest amount of grief I never got from them was when we were rapping along to capone n noreiga on the bus and I was caught NOT saying the nigga part ( I was like 14 and just trying to be PC) and they gave me so much shit and were like dude just say the fucking word, what the fuck you pussy and ever since then I've never been shy discussing race or potentially sensitive topics. If your sitting next to a black guy on the train and say hey man about those Heat, think the Nets or Pacers can beat them, and he calls you a racist, he's just a fucking crazy person.
ReplyDeleteNo BoD sign? C'mon now.
ReplyDeleteNo it wasn't, people were just a lot more discreet back then.
ReplyDeleteummm ok, thanks
ReplyDeleteCause ya know, process versus result?
ReplyDeletenever mind.
I had you as a right winger too, actually. Odd.
ReplyDeleteI've had some pretty substantial problems with moderation in the past, mainly in my 20s. For a while I thought I might be a full blown alcoholic and I contemplated going to meetings, but it's gotten better in the last 4-5 years; I think i just had some corners that I needed to turn. I never felt physiologically compelled to drink, like I didn't suffer withdrawals, but anytime I started I had a hard time slowing down or even stopping when it would come to the point that that was the logical thing to do. I also frequently hit the blackout point. Anyone who hasn't been there couldn't understand how weird and intense the experience is of seemingly time traveling from the bar stool to your bed with no memory whatsoever of what you were doing in the intervening hours.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds terrible, but I've had some amazing, life affirming times while drinking. The best relationship I've ever been in started because I stumbled into a new bar well after I should have gone home and started talking to a girl while I was heavily blacked out (to the extent that our first date was a blind date for me). I've also done a lot of really stupid dangerous things. I once felt clearheaded enough to drive only to blackout and crash my car on the way home. For reasons I still don't fully grasp the police officer wrote me a reckless driving ticket instead of a DUI after I passed my field sobriety test (I admitted right up front that I had been drinking, I knew what I deserved).
Our society is weird in the way it both promotes and shames drinking. We shake our heads at those who can't "handle their alcohol" but everyone loves to celebrate their war stories from the bars on Monday. I love sitting at home and watching movies, but I'm usually ultimately happier when I drag myself out of the cave. Bars are usually the only place to drag myself to unfortunately. And not drinking feels really weird when you're out at the bars. It's great to limit yourself but always being the guy who can't toast a beer or shot isn't fun. Something is being lost.
One of my friends is there this evening - Bob Backlund is once again randomly greeting people outside the arena.
ReplyDelete"It's always single people who drink the most in my experience--it's a crutch"
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call it a crutch, but I will admit that if I could find a nice girl to settle down with I'm sure I would severely cut back on my drinking.
He challenges John Cena for the WHC?
ReplyDeleteNope didn't get a chance to do the sign thing.
ReplyDeleteSooooooo... been on vacation, is bryan the champ?
ReplyDeleteI was thinking of trying to get local E-ciggerette shops to start playing WWE Pay-Per-Views to give non drinkers a place to go and have a good time.
ReplyDeleteHe's actually at a counter right in the aisle outside my section.
ReplyDeleteHa
ReplyDeleteLol... I knew it...
ReplyDeleteI gotta read the live threads to see some classic BoD bitching
So far it's been non stop Yes changes by the crowd with the occasional stop to go Wooooooooooooooo
ReplyDeleteYou're in charge of leading the WHAT!? chants tonight.
ReplyDeleteAnyone see HBK's twitter? Don't know why he's been so opposed to being heel, he seems to love it.
ReplyDeleteThe titles are held by Orton and Cena. The A+ lineup we deserve!
ReplyDeleteThere was plenty of that last night
ReplyDeleteI'm going to get roasted for this, but I'm more convinced than ever now that Bryan is walking out of 30 as champ.
ReplyDeleteHe offers to rent out his basement to Big Show so he doesn't have to sleep on the beach.
ReplyDeleteI agree, have been saying that the whole time
ReplyDeleteI've been watching the gif Satan posted all day: http://i.imgur.com/GZUKvFD.gif
ReplyDeleteI can't stop.
I hate that chant so no.
ReplyDeleteWhy am I not surprised?
ReplyDeleteI think they want a do over of 20 and are going to use Bryan to do it.
ReplyDeleteThe onoy way bryan walks out 30 with the strap is if the title match is 3rd or 4th from top.
ReplyDeleteBryan aint main eventing 30
Well, we'll just have to 'wait and see' :p. I hope you're right.
ReplyDeleteWHAT!?
ReplyDeleteWell, I hope you have an entertaining night Ripner.
ReplyDelete100 World Story (NES RPG/Board game fusion, it's pretty damn cool) and FF14 will be my night's entertainment. Maybe I'll watch the Sullivan/Sapolsky Guest Booker if I get any wrestling pangs.
See ya'll tomorrow morning.
I'll delete my account if the last image of 30 isn't Bryan holding the title with a massive YES! chant happening.
ReplyDelete'3rd from the top' is actually a possibility - especially if the rumored Brock-Undertaker match-up is true. If you have that and whatever Cena is doing, then it's not inconceivable that a Bryan-Orton match is 3rd from the top.
ReplyDeleteHe is also going to win the Rumble.
ReplyDeleteThe WWE puts all of the importance on Mania and they will make it happen then.
HHH will make him entrant 1 and he will run the table.
ReplyDeleteI have thought that for awhile now. The diving headbutt, the crossface...WWEs long term goal is to convince people that Benoit never existed, as he was Daniel Bryan all along.
ReplyDeleteYep. Bryan is going to overcome the odds and complete the underdog story at Mania. Surprised so many people cannot ee the big picture.
ReplyDelete3rd from the top aint good. Plus cool down matches? Celebrity involvement, backstage skits, music guests?
ReplyDeleteOh, I didn't say it was 'good'. Just that it was possible.
ReplyDeleteAny dark matches?
ReplyDeleteFair
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