In this era of being able to see what you want, when you want, some 'Doomers might not know what it's like to read Scott talk about the Rocker's white tights being covered in blood and having to wait 3 years to watch the match (Shawn's first DVD was so great given the fact that it might have been the first "Hey, we OWN all of wrestling history DVD" DVDs).
Is there anything that you've heard of IN THIS BUSINESS that you've never seen that you want to? Being a former tape trader myself ('tween the ages of 12-18, seriously that Lucha on Galavision show bought me my first car!) I was privy to many ECT tapes with stuff like the Brody/Luger match, McMemphis,MutavsHase, assorted garbage wrestling, and my favorite tape-Eddie Gilbert's angles! Also, anything pre TNN ECW were big sellers (we tape traders are all to blame for ECW going under. You may not admit it to us, but how much money did you make of off ECW? I'd honestly say that I made around $300 net copying/trading/selling ECW stuff).
Now, aside from my question for you, can we have a copyright/youtube/google ad friendly thread where we can ask for rare clips/matches/angels and receive INSTANT gratification?
Oh man, Muta v. Hase was such great stuff. Muta v. Liger was also amazing. I miss comp tapes and WCW All Nighters. The only stuff I haven't seen / can't easily access would be the stuff that doesn't exist anymore, like Sawyer v. Rich, or Bret v. Tom Magee, or Money Inc winning the tag titles from the LOD. Really, if I suddenly decided I wanted to binge on Michinoku Pro or Muto's awesome 2001 run, there's tons of YouTubers or online DVD dealers who would hook me up.
And I made way more than $300 off ECW. You must not have been trying hard enough.
With that stip and these entrants:
ReplyDelete1. Taker
2. Brock
3. Cena
4. Punk
5. Bryan
6/7/8. Shield
9. Orton
10. Big Show
11. Kane
12/13/14. Wyatts
15. Cody Rhodes
16. Goldust
17. Sheamus
18. Mark Henry
19. Big E
20/21: Real Americans
22: Rey Mysterio
23. ADR
24. Sandow
25. Christian
26. Ryback
27. Miz
28. Kofi
29. Ziggler
30. Axel
Could be a great fucking Rumble match.
I used to love the big fat heels in the rumble. They were the best. Yeah we still have Bray Wyatt but I'd love to see Albert and clay turn so we'd have a few more.
ReplyDeleteAlso im pretty sure Jake Roberts is getting a nostalgia spot in next years rumble
ReplyDeleteI like the idea of how you have the entrants set up, but Axel at number 30?
ReplyDeleteI was just listing the wrestlers, not doing what entrance they'd be.
ReplyDeleteAbeyance wins or we riot!
ReplyDeleteGet rid of Miz, Axel, and Kofi and use those spots for DDP, Jake, and Scott Hall (The Sober House Party?) for the nostalgia/surprise pop entrants and you got a show...
ReplyDeleteSantino or GTFO
ReplyDeleteSeems like Clay is on his way to a heel turn.
ReplyDeleteOh god no.
ReplyDeleteIf they somehow booked a moment where the 3 of them were left in the ring by themselves (maybe Jake clears out the ring with the snake) they look at each other before a group hug would be the best moment in a long long time and I would forgive WWE for all of the bullshit over the last year.
ReplyDeleteNot into real life redemption stories ruining your rasslin'?
ReplyDeleteI always wanted to see one of the fatties just sit or lay down in the middle of the ring and be like "You wanna win, big my big ass up and throw me out" and then dead weight people that do try and pick him up.
ReplyDeleteThen whomever you are setting up to be your evil, monster heel heading into WM (I've read they may turn Big E) elminates them all...
ReplyDeleteExactly. The heat would be off the charts
ReplyDeleteShit have that lead to a 'Mania match between DDP and heel with Jake and Scott in their corner (assuming they think they can handle it)
ReplyDeleteLet's not go overboard. Enough old timers coming back for a Mania match no need to have DDP in one too. Just use it as a springboard for someone to defend their honor against the asshole heel. A returning Sheamus maybe?
ReplyDeleteI was never a DDP guy but I would rather see him in a match at Mania instead of Sheamus. Dude hasnt been there in months and is still stale....
ReplyDeleteNow that I think about it, they need to reverse those roles. Have Sheamus come back and turn heel by eliminating those guys, then have Big E get their backs and get the feel good win at WM.
ReplyDeleteBig Show kinda did that in 04.
ReplyDeleteNow that is a much better idea, Sheamus works much better in the heel role. Which is why they will book him as a face against We the People when he comes back....
ReplyDeleteWhich will probably be forgotten about once Monday comes just like the Miz and Kofi heel turns.
ReplyDeleteSupposedly Flair carried El Gigante to a *** match on the house show circuit. For some reason, that has always intrigued - I guess I want to see the upper limit of Flair's peak powers.
ReplyDeleteAnd, seriously, how great is youtube? I remember picking up that same HBK DVD and just being in awe - wait...you mean I can see a match from the '80s in pristine condition on DVD?!?!?! And circa 2000 I remember pulling up wwf.com and being amazed I could stream clips of old matches (e.g. Taker's debut at Survivor Series) on my 16k modem. It looked like shit but you could feel that this was a change in the way we consumed wrestling. Even over the last five years, the change in availability on youtube is just nuts.
A heel Sheamus putting over a face Big E would do a lot in terms of giving Big E a lot of credibility.
ReplyDeleteWhich is too bad. Clay is overdue to be something useful.
ReplyDeleteThis idea couldn't be any worse than the cash-in, Dusty finish, abeyance, Orton as champ storyline so I say they go for it. At a certain point things are so fucked it just doesn't matter anymore.
ReplyDeleteKofi had a heel turn?
ReplyDeleteKofi turned heel?
ReplyDeleteKofi Rumble spots are great. Keep him.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you had defending the honor of the DDP group to it you may even be getting close to one of those 'Wrestlemania Moments' that WWE gets so wet over.
ReplyDeleteKofi turned heel?
ReplyDeleteSort of. He was displaying heelish tendencies during the Survivor Series perhaps but it was promptly forgotten during Raw the next night.
ReplyDeleteTape traders killed ECW? No, the terrible booking and constant talent raids had nothing to do with it at all...
ReplyDeleteIn the book Road Warrior Animal wrote, he claimed that the title change in 1992 never happened. Hawk was suspended, and WWE just gave the belts to Money Inc while claiming the Denver change.
ReplyDeleteObviously, footage of the match would contradict him. Does anyone know if there actually IS video?
The "parallax approval rating" of my daily activities so far would be in the negative.
ReplyDeleteFuck a woman that is single?
ReplyDeleteI can't help but think the Sawyer/Rich match could be anything other than a huge letdown. Based on the participants I think it would most likely just be 2 dudes punching each other and bleeding all over the place. Given the the amount of hype it has I just can't see it living up to it.
ReplyDeleteThreadjack: Does anyone else watch Total Divas? It's actually somewhat enjoyable in a trainwreck/Spock's Brain sort of way.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly: On that show, Daniel Bryan is still WWE champion (or treated as such, at least)! It's like the divas have their own, separate WWE galaxy. It makes no sense to me. There's also a weird mix of kayfabe/"shoot" - e.g. Fandango/Johnny Curtis is always in character while Brie, John Cena, Tyson "TJ" Kidd and others are playing it like a "shoot." It's fascinating.
I wish they'd bring back the vignettes of the guys pulling their number, and the inevitable scene of the million dollar man trying to buy a late spot.
ReplyDelete"Tape trading isn't a big deal, Monsoon."
ReplyDelete"WHAT?! He literally STOLE money from ECW, Brain!"
"ECW would have lasted for twice as long if I ran that place!"
"Highly unlikely."
"I guarantee the wrestlers would have made double their salary too!"
"And what's two times zero, Brain?"
"An ECW fan's IQ!"
"WILL YOU STOP?!"
Yeah, I enjoyed those too, they always have a chance to create some funny backstage stuff, like when Eddie stole Flairs number.
ReplyDeleteIf you reversed the numbers it would look better.
ReplyDeleteWell they seems to be turning Clay
ReplyDeleteI've always wanted to see a 1-on-1 match with Flair and Gigante just for the incredible hype surrounding Flair's ability to carry poor workers, as you pointed out with the "he carried EL GIGANTE to good matches". This was around the same time he was dragged into negative star territory with JYD, so maybe the myth is best left a mystery.
ReplyDeleteI read some fun stuff from the Observer this morning that said WWE creative is running out of ideas and booking is flying all over the place. Evidently, they turned the Miz heel too soon because they forgot about his Christmas movie, thought of turning Big E heel to feud with Cena, TLC was supposed to be another Show-Orton match, and now they aren't sure whether they are unifying the titles at TLC or not. No wonder everything is a mess!
ReplyDeleteJesse Baker and Vince Russo are the answer!!! Actually, Russo in some type of consultant role would be an upgrade. As long as he doesn't have to much pull and is just a contributer
ReplyDeleteYou just gave me an idea. Run a vignette of Road Agent Million Dollar Man buying #30 for cheap off of some jobber, then run vignettes where he tries to flip the number for even more money, but no one is willing to pay his huge price and he actually has to enter the Rumble at #30. I have no idea if DiBiase can still go over the top rope and take a bump, though.
ReplyDeleteIt'll just end in a mortgage foreclosure angle...
ReplyDeleteDiBiase and IRS vs. Slaughter and Duggan would have been amazingly bad.
ReplyDeleteDidn't he steal his watch, too?
ReplyDeleteI'd rather see them toss in a couple NXT guys. Fuck it, throw them out there and see if they get over. I'd rather see that then the Godfather being in the match for 10 seconds just for a cheap pop or someone who is just there for an idiotic comedy spot.
ReplyDeleteJake Roberts or GTFO.
ReplyDeleteFTFY
"...they look at each other before they started doing DDP Yoga would be the best moment in a long long time and I would forgive WWE for all of the bullshit over the last year."
ReplyDeleteFTFY
The disasters match instead was just as boring. What an awful second half to a big stadium wrestlemania.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame the tag division gets no time, I'd love to see Clay and Albert as an old school monster-team.
ReplyDeleteThen glass shatters and Austin comes out with the beer truck hose while Vince sits at his monitor with a slight smile of satisfaction.
ReplyDeleteIt lasted as long as Andre the Giant's WWF Title reign.
ReplyDeleteNOTHING I DO IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!
ReplyDelete:: fucks your friends ::
I don't think any of the tag team options were all that good for WrestleMania VIII, LOD vs. Disasters in a street fight would have been plodding, too. But I think Money Inc. vs. Duggan and Slaughter in 1992 would have been an absolute hot mess.
ReplyDeleteI love how everyone has called the original thoughts for the finish, pretty much within minutes of the announcement. I'm not expecting anything good to come from the match at TLC, and stories like this don't make anything better.
ReplyDeleteI wish Eddie could have one-upped that spot... steal numbers from a couple of people he dislikes/has issues with, and swap them with "worse" numbers held by people he likes.
ReplyDeleteAs long as Orton and Cena get to only draw 20-30.
ReplyDeleteBetter if one draws #1, and is gone before the other comes out. Bonus if the other is #3, and that happens.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and rumors were all over that Vince wanted to push the shit out of them, too. Thankfully that fell apart by Summerslam, but holy shit did we dodge a bullet there.
ReplyDeleteMAN! If I knew what I was doing back when I was 15-16-17, I could have made some bank, as I taped all the ECW I could off of MSG. I think I probably still have the tapes somewhere in my parents' house (most of them, anyway... I have no idea if they've tossed them).
ReplyDeleteBret Hart vs. Tom Magee is definitely on the wish list (did Meltzer ever write about it?) as is a Bret-Perfect match from...I think, Alaska...which Bret says was like his best ever match.
ReplyDeleteNot a watch, but his wallet.
ReplyDeleteAbeyance wins or we wait to decide how we feel about it until further information is given to help us clarify the matter at hand!
ReplyDelete1 and 2 have to be either the Rhodes Brothers or Ambrose and Reigns. Gotta duplicate that Demolition spot to set up a turn for one of the two teams.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder Eddie passed away so young. The debt Flair probably carries around in that wallet would break a normal man
ReplyDeleteAm I right in thinking that Hawk and Animal were pricks who were really tough to work/deal with? Everything I've read about them involves them wanting a ton of money, not selling anything in the ring, and having egos that outsized their value to the business.
ReplyDeleteHaha, what an insane first ten entrants that would be if you had been referring to the order of entry. Talk about star power.
ReplyDeleteWait...they just NOW realized they are running out of ideas???
ReplyDeleteI also find it amusing that they think they "turned Miz heel too soon"....as if anyone would have cared more about babyface Miz.
Hearing that music again in WWE would be pretty sick. Does he get a big ass snake to clear the ring with??
ReplyDeleteMakes sense
ReplyDeleteMaybe a monster beat down of the "Funkdactyls" to become the new big fat heel team?
ReplyDeleteStatute of limitations has definitely passed on the Demolition entry spot. They sort of did it in 2000 with Rikishi & Too Cool, but that was 14 years ago.
ReplyDeleteBig E's charisma seems to indicate more value as a babyface, but I wouldn't mind him as a monster heel. Maybe have Mark Henry school him in the ways of splitting wigs? Then lead to an old school power vs. power match between Langston and Henry?
ReplyDeleteIs this an actual rumor or something fans have been making up?
ReplyDeleteI used to trade tapes with a handful of colleagues until they started getting arrested.
ReplyDeleteNow I have to watch videos on a laptop and immediately burn it in a pit the next town over.
My favorite Rumble strategy moment: The year CM Punk and New Nexus were clearing the ring one by one, and every new guy that came out would sprint to the ring like a dummy just to get tossed. The whole time I'm like, "Why doesn't the next guy just wait outside the ring for the guy after him, then they wait for the 3rd & 4th guy to even the odds?"
ReplyDeleteI'd count on Sheamus and Christian returning for the Rumble. I could see Booker T as a surprise entrant, maybe Kane (dressed like IRS), and El Torito will definitely be in the Rumble (you'll know when it's his time because Heath Slater will be in the ring). And I'm pretty sure Triple H will enter at #30 (after a series of backstage vignettes show him wearing a suit to throw us off). Is there even a longshot chance at Ultimate Warrior making an appearance? I know he's back in the fold with WWE, but I have no idea what's going on with him physically.
ReplyDeleteI agree on both of these...especially the Magee one. I feel Bret think every match he was in is the best ever, so might be disappointed in the Perfect one.
ReplyDeleteI'm not all that familiar with the Tom Magee wrestling backstory. Was he really viewed as a potential "heir apparent" or us this just overly dramatic revisionist history? Why did he eventually then wash out? I
ReplyDeleteThey should put Clay in a bodysuit with flames on it. It's been long enough, we need a new Bam Bam.
ReplyDeleteClay's been a heel to me since he squashed William Regal after Regal schooled him in a dance-off.
ReplyDeleteJake's been lobbying pretty hard for it and Vince is known to have a soft spot for people who battle their addictions and clean up their lives.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I would think that Jake masturbating his snakepenis at the LoW PPV was enough to get him banned from WWE TV forever and the company hasn't discussed it at all, publicly or in backstage leaks.
You think they would bring Jake in for a nostalgia pop and NOT give him a snake?
ReplyDeleteDidn't someone (I want to say Lawler) handcuff themselves to the bottom rope one year? Or am I just imagining that?
ReplyDeleteI remember seeing that match and it's hard to describe. It's like Flair is doing everything to a tee to get the minimum *** out of JYD, but JYD is being such a buffoon that it won't happen.
ReplyDeleteand on the other side of that spectrum, Meltzer recently referenced an El Gigante vs. Zeus match from NJPW that should be an easy contender for worst match of all time, depending on length.
ReplyDeleteI would of loved to see one of the Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation cage matches from 87. Same goes with Steamboat vs Savage cage matches from the same year.
ReplyDeleteSpecifically the part where Rotundo just loses it and shoots on Slaughter.
ReplyDeleteI don't recall, but I think that's something worth revisiting. Some heel should do that this year, only to get stomped out by like 8 dudes.
ReplyDeleteSycho Sid or GTFO
ReplyDeleteThis company?
ReplyDeleteWell he went outside the ring, hopping around on one foot... until (I think) Bret Hart came out to punch him, making King drop his foot.
ReplyDeleteRoad Dogg on the other hand, spent the majority of one match in the corner, laying on the mat, clinging to the turnbuckle.
Warrior for #30.
ReplyDeleteI think you're thinking of Zeus vs. Abdullah the Butcher from the WWC Aniversario '90 card.
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