Scott, any idea why Ric Flair was so desperately keen to return to WCW in January 1993? If I remember rightly,he returned at SuperBrawl that February but due to legal tie-ups didn't actually wrestle until July. Why did he hotshot his WWF exit with little hype then gladly sit out six months? Why not hang around for the Mania 9 payday and some priceless "Nature Boy In Vegas" vignettes? Flair v Savage II,Flair v Hogan,Flair/Luger v Savage/Perfect or even Flair/Razor would have been decent options for that show.
I think he was just really unhappy with his time in the WWF at that point and felt like WCW would be better money and people he knew. Flair's never really been one for well-thought decisions in the first place.
This is just the medical side of me spit balling but knowing flair has adhd makes alot of sense in thinking about his life. Typically have low self esteem - his "nature boy" lifestyle as a way to oveovercompensate. Very spontaneous. More prone to drug/alcohol issues.
ReplyDeleteOr im just over thinking all of this.
Well, in his book he tells the story of how Vince asked him to put over Razor Ramon at a TV taping and that he'd basically be used to put guys over.
ReplyDeleteGoing back to WCW let him be a big deal again.
It does make me wonder, if he had stuck around in WWF if they would have eventually given him more of a push? But even a guy like Curt Hennig was being depushed, putting over Luger and Michaels and Deisel by the fall of 93.
Basically Vince wanted to move him down to the midcard and Watts wanted him in WCW. No way he was going to wrestle Hogan or Savage at WM9. He probably hotshotted his exit si he wouldn't have to job on his way out.
ReplyDeleteYou are the doctor... but I think ADHD is the most over diagnosed bullshit in the world. In most cases it is a doctor providing a reason for people to not improve their poorer qualities and when diagnosed in children it is a way to let parents "not have to deal with them" when some decent parenting is what is really called for.
ReplyDeleteI always wondered that also. Even back then did was Vince determined to knock wcw guys down a peg? I know Flair got the strap but it seems like his run on top was a little underwhelming
ReplyDeleteContinuing on my soapbox Doctors love to prescribe those types of drug (adderol, Xanax etc...) rather than try to figure out issues or be bold enough to tell someone there is nothing fucking wrong with them. I have a friend who has been dieting for a while... he said he had been having intense cravings for sugar and couldn't figure out why... after he got blood work and other tests done it didn't show any defciency so I told him it was just psychological and would go away in time... you like that stuff and you are denying it to yourself so of course you are craving it... his doctor on the other hand... tried to give him a prescription for Xanax.
ReplyDeleteAgree and don't, if that makes sense. In many cases, doctors are used as salesmen by drug companies, but, and this is important, I'd still trust their advice over that of a friend. This type of thinking is the same reasoning anti-vaccine nuts use to push their horrible agenda on the world. One of the great things about our system is that if a doctor gives you a questionable decision you can always get a second (or third) opinion.
ReplyDeleteNo, I agree. Xanax now and retain back in the day used to be the most over prescribed things ever. They cracked down on adderall so it's tougher to get now. I used to think adhd was a made up disease until I got to med school. The thing with shit like that is its a brain developmental issue so it's absolutely 100% real, it's just so easy to misdiagnosis that people want their kids "fixed" at the snap of a finger that they aassume that's the cause when it could be a number of other environmental or developmental factors.
ReplyDeleteStuff like anxiety disorders or adult adhd is sometimes outgrown, but lingering psychological issues usually remain because it iis developmental in your CNS...kinda why I made the Flair point. He might have outgrown the actual adhd itself but he still exhibits the symptoms of someone who has had it
But also, yea sometimes you can get shitty doctors just like anything else. Xanax for sugar cravibgs? Dude was definitely getting a kickback om Xanax prescriptions
ReplyDeleteI am not an anti vaccine nut as you put it, but I don't get them either... to me the science of "Inject yourself with the flu so you don't get the flu" just doesnt work and I have never gotten one that I know of... I have also never gotten the flu... I have never had any kind of illness in over a decade, maybe longer.
ReplyDeleteAs for the other thing... doctors are the experts and you should listen to their advice... but you should also use some common sense, and have some intestinal fortitude not to have to rely on some drug that the medical industry doesn't even fully understand.
I mean in children. You were most likely immunized against things like polio. The anti-vaccine crowd is absolutely the reason we're seeing a return of things like polio in Western society after having nearly gotten rid of it completely.
ReplyDeleteFlu stuff is hit or miss bit child vaccinations 100% are legit. I forget the one that was rumored to cause autism but that was popular amoung so many conservative anti western medicine Christians it actually gained legs.
ReplyDeleteThey started giving one of my step sons friends the child version of Ritalin at 5 years old because he was misbehaving in school and not listening... both of his parents are completely shitty parents... when he would come over to my house he would behave just fine... he just needed some proper adult influence... now when he fucks up in school he says "My daddy forgot to give me my medicine so I acted up" and everyone accepts that, so now he has no ability to grow as a person since he has a built in excuse.
ReplyDeleteMy office gives flu shots for free a couple of times a year... everyone was getting them one day because they "don't want to get sick" and injecting yourself with something is the way to prevent it. The next day it was cold out... and they were convinced THAT would make them sick, because that is how viruses work in their minds... I was very amused that "Inject yourself with a virus keeps you healthy, but cold weather will get you sick because science" 2/3 of the people in question have since used sick time... one of them for the flu. I win.
ReplyDeleteYea. That's just really really lazy parenting. Doctors and specialists are kinda split but I'd never give a kid an adhd drug until like 14-15 because it alters the biochemistry in your brain during the crucial developmental years. Don't see any long term good coming from that. Plus I've fucked with adhd mess through med school, primarily to help me study and keep me awake and there are absolutely side effects to all of them
ReplyDeleteDo you believe in child vaccinations?
ReplyDeleteAt what point was anyone arguing the flu shot? We both conceded it isn't effective. You won before the argument even started because no one was arguing that point.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to share the story... the "I win" was directed at my colleagues.
ReplyDeleteI don't know.
ReplyDeleteAm I wrong in thinking that the chemists that develop those types of drugs don't even understand fully the reason they have the effects that they do?
ReplyDeleteYea, I wasn't sure if the "I win" was in response to us or the people in the office. If he's extrapolating his anti vaccination thing past flu shut, he's definitely wrong
ReplyDeleteI think it was just an age thing. Vince knew (or thought he knew) that Flair had a shelf life and it was up.
ReplyDeleteI mean, I'm just trying to make up some roles for him at WrestleMania 9.... maybe he's the guy that Hogan teams up with against Money Inc? Or he puts over Tatankta? Then what could he do? Team up with Luger or a younger guy and feud with the Steiners for the tag belts once they got them from Money Inc?
Please don't talk about me like I am not right here.
ReplyDeletePast the flu shot I don't know... I think some vaccines might work, but on the whole I think the science is shaky. I concede that I am not an expert and am basing this off of what I have seen happen throughout my own life. I am not going to condem people that choose to follow the doctors advice... but I am not going to get any of them.
Maybe Flair being ex-WCW was part of it - but back then everybody had spent some time or another in a different territory.
ReplyDeleteI think the real reason is that WWF never game heels a long run with the title - the only real exception was Billy Graham. Heel champions were mostly used as transitional champs. So I think to some degree Flair was just the 'transition' between Hogan and whoever was next.
If you look at that whole period in 1991 and 1992, the title bounced around a lot more than it had before. Warrior-Slaughter-Hogan-Flair-Savage-Flair-Bret...compare that to the mammoth runs Hogan, Bruno, Ghraham, and Backlund had. In hindsight it looks like VInce wasn't quite sure where he wanted to go or who he wanted on top.
Just advice, if you ever have a kid get them vaccinated. The idea is to expose theit immune system to a small easily beatable form of the virus or bacteria so they can develop the necessary immune eeceptors to beat/kill it when they get it. To complicated to go jnto the nuts and bolts but it absolutely works. Way different then perscribing ritalin or stuff like that
ReplyDeleteI mean I know that they know what the effects are... I was more asking if they know why they have the effect on the brain that they do or is it just "When people are exposed to this chemical, this happens."?
ReplyDeleteThey do. The money and research they put into this shit is astronomical. Not everyones biochemistry or body chemistry is gonna be the same, thats why specific meds work better for some then other, side effects are different, etc. But they pretty much know everything they need to. They have to much at stake not to
ReplyDeleteWhy did vince want to push him into the midcard? Age? He wasnt drawing well? They were pretty light on top at the time IIRC
ReplyDeleteI guess that seemed to be the direction McMahon wanted at that point. remember, Randy Savage quit for similar reasons.
ReplyDeleteMinor threadjack: So I'm driving past the auditorium last night and I see an advertisement for a wrestling event coming up. Flair, Nash, and Matt Hardy are the headliners right. So, I get home and look the thing up. Vader is on the poster, but he think he was scratched for Nash.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.big-time-wrestling.com/store/events/22814-spartanburg-sc/
Yea, youth movement seems plausible. Seems like such a waste to have Flair and Savage both in the fold and not utilize them for a money program or to put over new people on their way out
ReplyDeleteJust adding this to the discussion on whether to vaccinate
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For my money the anti-vaccination brigade should be locked up for manslaughter (along with the media who give their bullshit the time of day)
People died from measles in the UK last year as a result of Wakefield's bogus research on MMR / autism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Swansea_measles_epidemic
Andrew Wakefield - banned from practicing medicine in the uk, but feted by idiots like Jenny McCarthy in the US.
don't forget undertaker and abeyance was in there too
ReplyDeleteYou've never had the flu? How the hell is that even possible?
ReplyDeleteIt was the MMR vaccine, I think.
ReplyDeleteAge doesn't explain why he decided to give backland a monster heel run who was just as old
ReplyDeleteI don't know how to answer this... I just haven't... come to think of it I don't remember my mother or brother ever having it either.
ReplyDeleteThat's fucking amazing. I spent a good portion of my childhood in an out of the hospital with various weird diseases. Even today I have strange medical problems. How the hell does a 31 year old guy who's skinny as a rail and avoids fatty foods get a blood clot in his fucking lung (this question is more directed towards Farva, obviously)? The doctors have no idea, and you'd think all the booze would thin out my blood enough to prevent that sort of thing...
ReplyDeleteIf Flair had stayed until WM, my guess is that's when they would of blown off the Perfect/Flair feud instead of doing it in January.
ReplyDeleteI always wondered the same thing, not just with Flair, but quite a few wrestlers left before WM9, which seemed a weird time to be wanting to leave.
It's a shame that "Loser Leaves WWF" match was not booked for WM IX. It's a good match, but it just comes off as second rate in the Manhattan Center in front of a small crowd. It was the first really big match in RAW history IIRC, but I would have preferred to have seen it at WrestleMania. It would have provided a triple main event to go with Money Inc. vs. Hogan/Beefcake and Bret/Yoko.
ReplyDeleteThat was almost 2 years later, and the "monster" Backlund run involved him chicken-winging a bunch of midcarders, beating Bret then IMMEDIATELY dropping the belt to Diesel.
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