Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I think tossing the word "quit" around regarding the CM Punk situation isn't accurate. Based on what we've heard, it seems like Punk decided to "go home" because of a combination of being banged up (anyone who saw the Rumble can tell you Punk was nowhere near 100%) and general dissatisfaction with the way he's been booked.
Though there hasn't been live TV since the news broke, WWE wasn't shy about immediately burying Austin when he walked out in 2002. Nor did WWE hesitate to put one of its token "future endeavors" announcements when Kurt Angle asked for an early release, and we haven't seen anything regarding that from WWE. Punk hasn't said squat publicly, and really the only public hostile move has been WWE unfollowing Punk on Twitter, which isn't exactly the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in terms of kicking off a war. The old vindictive Vince would've spent at least a half hour of Monday's Raw burying Punk and had a "Phil Brooks" future endeavors notice on WWE.com before lunchtime on Tuesday.
Frankly, I don't believe the "Punk doesn't want to face Triple H at Mania" rumors because that match has been setting up for weeks now and he had plenty of time to object to that before. Instead, I think that since it became apparent that Bryan was probably going to end up facing Triple H instead and Punk would end up in some kind of stupid match with Kane (instead of keeping Punk vs. Triple H and adding Bryan to the Orton/Batista main event).
Essentially the way I see it was Punk telling Vince, "If that is what you have planned for me for Mania or if you're creative team is so dense it doesn't even know what to do with me, I'm going to take Mania off to heal up. Call me when you have a clue." Still, obnoxious, but far from "quitting." Of course, if I did that at my job I'd be fired, but I'm not my company's #2 star who also sells a huge amount of merchandise (but I'm at least #4, I think).
I don't know if this means he'll ever be back, but I have yet to see anything that really indicates Punk flat-out quit (notice Meltzer is using the word "hiatus"). Let's be honest, people have done much worse to Vince (Triple H's buddy Shawn, for instance) and have been welcomed back with open arms.
If he's dealing with concussion issues, I think it's ultimately a smart play for him to walk away. I think it was Farva (but can't recall exactly) who said he wasn't even trying during the Rumble, but as the Masked Man pointed out at Grantland, he was dealing with something during the match.
It's all going to hype the EC PPV. But then it'll just be Chris Jericho returning in the ultimate trolled work. Although it be better if they hyped up a mystery final entrant into EC, giving all kinds of hints to Punk. But then the reveal at the actual PPV ends up being Rey Mysterio again.
As more news trickles out (depending on its validity), this seems more and more like Punk legit walking out due to creative. If the recent report is to be believed, and he actually said that facing Triple H "wasn't a big enough or worthy match for the biggest show of the year", then it makes sense. Especially considering Triple H's rumored comments regarding Daniel Bryan "not being worthy" of a match with him in New Orleans.
Right. Knowing what we know about Triple H, he would have happily done a similar promo on Monday running down Punk in his most serious "THIS BUSINESS" voice.
Yeah, and he also hasn't said anything publicly, which is way less than a lot of exiting guys do. He'll be back once he's all healed up and missing the spotlight.
I still love Triple H touting the "Austin took his ball and went home" line constantly in interviews, and Austin replied in that article with "yeah, I took the ratings with me too, because you sure aren't doing anything to make them go up."
(paraphrased pretty much, but his point was Triple H was worried so much about everything but making the show better)
Whether or not you agree with that (and it's a pretty silly thing to say considering that Trips is overall a bigger star in THIS BUSINESS than Punk), who else could Punk have faced that was bigger? Lesnar and 'Taker seem to be tied together, and Cena was apparently working with Bray.
There was a surprisingly good match on Raw with Lex Luger from the Summer of 1994. I mention that solely because Lex Luger is a pretty hard guy to have a good match with when you're already a limited worker.
Eh, I'm Punk biased but short of being Punk, Vince, or HHH, I'd have trouble saying petulant child at this point because who knows what exactly is going on other than the snippets being leaked to the dirt sheets.
If he has any type of creative clause in his contract ala Bret or Hogan and they kept pitching him shit he didn't like, no problem with him walking out.
If he's injured physically or mentally and his next step was telling Chavo to check his dogs, no problem with him walking out.
If he's sick of creative and tired of watching people get over and crapped on for it (him at first, ryder, bryan, Ziggs), no problem with him walking out
Honestly if he's just pissed they've dicked around Colt for the past 5 years and we have the NAO as tag team champs, Waltman on contract (that's a thing, no? Agent or something or just a legends deal?), and Nash getting one off spots whenever the mood strikes him, no problem with him walking out.
He also managed Johnny B. Badd, One Man Gang, Norman the Lunatic, The Skyscrapers (Sid Vicious, Dan Spivey and Mark Calaway), Marcus Bagwell, 2 Cold Scorpio, Joey Maggs, Craig Pittman, Jim Powers, Bobby Walker, Ice Train and Bobby Eaton while in Jim Crockett Promotions and WCW. D'Lo Brown, Rodney Mack, Christopher Nowinski, Rosey, Mark Henry and Jazz at wwe.
Mr. Hughes thinking he won the quarterfinal King of the Ring match against Mr. Perfect by knocking him in the head with the Undertaker's urn ranks up there.
He hit Perfect in the head with it in full view of the ref, the bell rang immediately, and he seemed genuinely surprised to hear Fink announce he'd been disqualified.
That was a pretty good match. But man Nash doesn't have a lot to write home about once he left the WWF. Fucking #2 or 1(a) guy in wcw for basically 5 years and BatB was his best match?
I just saw one for Last Crusade, frigging hilarious opening of Indy shooting Hitler, and everyone just stares at him while he hums the Indy scene and makes the slowest escape possible.
Only thing I remember about Hughes was from Mick Foley's first book, where he told the story of how Hughes botched a finish and caused DDP to lose in his hometown when he was booked to win, then went to the bar where DDP was treating and drank the beer that Page was paying for.
Nothing except leech 90% of his heat away to HHH and Co., stall him out as the "rebel babyface" taking on the Corporation, and totally put Hunter in a better position than Punk afterwards. Can you imagine Vince McMahon doing that to "red-hot, rebel babyface" Steve Austin at ANY point in their feud, let alone when Austin was at his hottest? I thought not.
Really, that match, the clusterfuck finish, and everything that followed in its wake were just DEATH on the "rebel babyface" Punk. He needed a heel turn and Heyman to revive him, is how badly it hurt him.
Where does the story go from there? It goes the same place that Austin v. McMahon went. Just because Punk "won the battle" doesn't mean he "won the war". Austin got the better of Vince, and Vince got the better of Austin (98% of the time through shenanigans but still)...but they kept the feud going. The main problem is that Hunter is allergic to "showing ass" or looking at ALL weak against ANYONE that's not in his clique. He wants to play the Vince McMahon role, but he doesn't want to BE Vince McMahon, cowardly owner and corporate asshat. He wants to be the Almighty H, Destroyer of ALL....and that just doesn't work in the Vince McMahon role. It doesn't.
Obviously he's not as big a star as either but he is/was in the top 3 full-time stars on the WWE roster, so to argue that his upcoming contract expiry negated any point of making bank on him with a big feud in the meantime seems to contradict arguments that work in favour of Brock and Rock.
Why? Money is money, regardless of the amount. If HHH/Punk is the biggest match they can think of for HHH, why not do it while Punk is around to earn them cash?
Was that the time Rock randomly showed up at RAW after he quit? Cause I was at that RAW live and bah gawd almighty, that was the loudest crowd reaction I've ever been apart of.
Que? Your original point was that he shouldn't have a high-profile match due to his upcoming departure. I said, as one of their top stars, it makes sense to make money off him while he's still around. You're now saying numbers won't be affected by his presence or non-presence so I guess it comes down to you just thinking Punk isn't a draw at all. If that's your argument, then literally only Cena is a draw from the full-time roster and it's pointless advertising marquee matches that involve anyone other than him or the part-time brigade. Is that correct? If so, why would it matter who wrestled HHH, since he's the one drawing?
Oy vey. First, he was supposed to have a match. With Hunter. Which is a very high profile spot even if he doesn't think so. Second, he's not a draw at all, so there's no need to cater to his demands as he adds no buys to wm there or not. Third, he's leaving in July, no it makes no sense to build him up for anything. Why would the wwe cave and upset their whole plan because he's all butthurt 3 months before he's fucking off anyway?
So if he has no market value why does Vince reportedly want him back? Why whould HHH agree to have one of his now rare matches with him, let alone at Wrestlemania? Who else, other than perhaps Bryan, could they put in that position and expect to draw in any way? If the answer is "no-one", why does it matter?
"Third, he's leaving in July, no it makes no sense to build him up for anything." is what I originally picked up on. You can make this argument for any part-timer. Yes, Rock and Brock will bring in more revenue, obviously, but I'd argue HHH/Punk as a WM Main Event (one of them, anyway) would garner more buys than HHH/Ziggler or HHH/Sheamus or Cena/Wyatt or even Batista/Orton at this stage. In which case, why not use Punk for that match while you can?
I'm bored with repeating myself. You're right, they should put him over taker, Brock and rock and it would be the biggest wm of all time. Seriously, his stardom dwarfs both austin and hulkamania combined.
Haha, so you're refusing to defend your original point while inventing a straw-man argument to babble against. I was just asking you to back up your argument of why HHH was too big a match for him, just once. Preferably with an alternative match that would replace it. It's really not hard.
They could put Kofi in the match and it wouldn't affect the buyrate. They could have Kofi wrestle Cesaro and it wouldn't affect the buyrate. Because punk doesn't move the needle for wm at all. Now if they actually had someone to put with Hunter that could draw, it would be something. But Batista and Cena and Brock and Taker and DB are busy.
And I pretty much agree with that. Which brings me back to the original point, if the match is meaningless, then why, according to you, was it way too important a match for Punk to be wrestling? If by your own words it's a meaningless-to-buyrates match and there was no-one else for HHH to wrestle that would actually draw?
No. Even with the added filler (which I can helpfully use as food or bathroom breaks, or jsut for the room of friends to get unglued from the TV for a moment), I much prefer the current PPV format of less matches with more time; it makes each match feel more important than a slapdash 5 minute eight-man tag like we got with the Corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre a few years ago.
Hughes was a fairly impressive big man worker before he settled into the body guard gimmick. As the Big Cat I remember he used to do a rope walk splash in the AWA, which is quite the visual coming from a 300 pound man. It seemed as though he sacrificed all his mobility and agility to wrestle in a suit. I don't remember any memorable Mr. Hughes matches, but the Big Cat had a fair amount of go in him.
I made a remark in the original Punk thread about him being good with money since he has numerous Jewish friends. I based this comment off an interview he did with Rosenburg where Punk said "all my council is Jewish". Mick and Chris Jordan and some others jumped all over me.
To quote South Park (feel free to look up the clip yourself, I'm too drunk/lazy right now) "Not all stereotypes are bad. Here's an example of a positive stereotype: All Asians are good at math".
Not enough show-jacking chants.
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ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm too optimistic, but I think tossing the word "quit" around regarding the CM Punk situation isn't accurate. Based on what we've heard, it seems like Punk decided to "go home" because of a combination of being banged up (anyone who saw the Rumble can tell you Punk was nowhere near 100%) and general dissatisfaction with the way he's been booked.
ReplyDeleteThough there hasn't been live TV since the news broke, WWE wasn't shy about immediately burying Austin when he walked out in 2002. Nor did WWE hesitate to put one of its token "future endeavors" announcements when Kurt Angle asked for an early release, and we haven't seen anything regarding that from WWE. Punk hasn't said squat publicly, and really the only public hostile move has been WWE unfollowing Punk on Twitter, which isn't exactly the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in terms of kicking off a war. The old vindictive Vince would've spent at least a half hour of Monday's Raw burying Punk and had a "Phil Brooks" future endeavors notice on WWE.com before lunchtime on Tuesday.
Frankly, I don't believe the "Punk doesn't want to face Triple H at Mania" rumors because that match has been setting up for weeks now and he had plenty of time to object to that before. Instead, I think that since it became apparent that Bryan was probably going to end up facing Triple H instead and Punk would end up in some kind of stupid match with Kane (instead of keeping Punk vs. Triple H and adding Bryan to the Orton/Batista main event).
Essentially the way I see it was Punk telling Vince, "If that is what you have planned for me for Mania or if you're creative team is so dense it doesn't even know what to do with me, I'm going to take Mania off to heal up. Call me when you have a clue." Still, obnoxious, but far from "quitting." Of course, if I did that at my job I'd be fired, but I'm not my company's #2 star who also sells a huge amount of merchandise (but I'm at least #4, I think).
I don't know if this means he'll ever be back, but I have yet to see anything that really indicates Punk flat-out quit (notice Meltzer is using the word "hiatus"). Let's be honest, people have done much worse to Vince (Triple H's buddy Shawn, for instance) and have been welcomed back with open arms.
If he's dealing with concussion issues, I think it's ultimately a smart play for him to walk away. I think it was Farva (but can't recall exactly) who said he wasn't even trying during the Rumble, but as the Masked Man pointed out at Grantland, he was dealing with something during the match.
ReplyDeleteHe's this guy Republicans constantly use to compare the president to.
ReplyDeleteStone Cold quitting led to one of my all time favorite "serious" Rock promos.
ReplyDeleteThis thread is over.
ReplyDelete:: Makes sure everyone leaves safely before turning off the lights and locking the door ::
It's all going to hype the EC PPV. But then it'll just be Chris Jericho returning in the ultimate trolled work. Although it be better if they hyped up a mystery final entrant into EC, giving all kinds of hints to Punk. But then the reveal at the actual
ReplyDeletePPV ends up being Rey Mysterio again.
As more news trickles out (depending on its validity), this seems more and more like Punk legit walking out due to creative. If the recent report is to be believed, and he actually said that facing Triple H "wasn't a big enough or worthy match for the biggest show of the year", then it makes sense. Especially considering Triple H's rumored comments regarding Daniel Bryan "not being worthy" of a match with him in New Orleans.
ReplyDeleteRight. Knowing what we know about Triple H, he would have happily done a similar promo on Monday running down Punk in his most serious "THIS BUSINESS" voice.
ReplyDelete...Or at least texted Nash to come and do it.
Good post, and welcome to the BOD Ben.
ReplyDeleteThat was funnier than the last Hitler one.
ReplyDeleteHHH: You don't know what's best for business.
ReplyDeleteYeah...doesn't really hold up compared to the Rock's "This is home" rant. haha
ReplyDeleteYeah, and he also hasn't said anything publicly, which is way less than a lot of exiting guys do. He'll be back once he's all healed up and missing the spotlight.
ReplyDeleteIf you think you an do better BE A MAN and show me Mr. Downvoter!
ReplyDeleteYeah his earlier work was very depressing and world warry
ReplyDeleteI'm just going to say it.
ReplyDeleteI'm sick of "Hitler reacts..." videos. They aren't really that funny.
Amazing. I think we have ran out of DBry/CMPunk topics to talk about. Never thought I'd see the day.
ReplyDeleteActually, I think the reason they haven't acknowledged Punk's absence is because they don't want to give him the attention.
ReplyDeleteLOL I was just thinking, and saying - well, typing - that I like every one of these that I've seen and they always crack me up.
ReplyDeleteOf course...this one makes exactly 3 for me.
Dafaq is it with you and downvotes?
ReplyDeleteIf you mean why do I get them, then the answer is I guess when you are the man you are going to make some enemies.
ReplyDeleteIf you mean my reaction to them... I find it amusing, nothing more than that.
I still love Triple H touting the "Austin took his ball and went home" line constantly in interviews, and Austin replied in that article with "yeah, I took the ratings with me too, because you sure aren't doing anything to make them go up."
ReplyDelete(paraphrased pretty much, but his point was Triple H was worried so much about everything but making the show better)
Fegelein is writing for WWE! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!!
ReplyDelete"It was like John Wayne took his horse and rode away, bah gawd!"
ReplyDeleteBad time for me to suggest this link, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XpSXEdL-B8&list=UUpo_r3_HXHnjvMy93MYCRPg&feature=c4-overview
ReplyDeleteWhether or not you agree with that (and it's a pretty silly thing to say considering that Trips is overall a bigger star in THIS BUSINESS than Punk), who else could Punk have faced that was bigger? Lesnar and 'Taker seem to be tied together, and Cena was apparently working with Bray.
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ReplyDeleteThere was a surprisingly good match on Raw with Lex Luger from the Summer of 1994. I mention that solely because Lex Luger is a pretty hard guy to have a good match with when you're already a limited worker.
ReplyDeletePrepare to be educated.
ReplyDeleteIt's OK. You're wrong, but it's OK.
ReplyDeleteEh, I'm Punk biased but short of being Punk, Vince, or HHH, I'd have trouble saying petulant child at this point because who knows what exactly is going on other than the snippets being leaked to the dirt sheets.
ReplyDeleteIf he has any type of creative clause in his contract ala Bret or Hogan and they kept pitching him shit he didn't like, no problem with him walking out.
If he's injured physically or mentally and his next step was telling Chavo to check his dogs, no problem with him walking out.
If he's sick of creative and tired of watching people get over and crapped on for it (him at first, ryder, bryan, Ziggs), no problem with him walking out
Honestly if he's just pissed they've dicked around Colt for the past 5 years and we have the NAO as tag team champs, Waltman on contract (that's a thing, no? Agent or something or just a legends deal?), and Nash getting one off spots whenever the mood strikes him, no problem with him walking out.
I saw a match live at a house show v Damien DeMento that may be the most boring thing I've ever seen. He really was better as a heel
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fucker.
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Virgil wasted all his money on headshots.
ReplyDeleteUnrelated post...I'm not a big MacFarlane fan, but I think this looks fucking funny.
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THE MAN WAS STEALING MONEY FROM PEOPLES MOUTHS! Cut him some slack!
ReplyDeleteHe also managed Johnny B. Badd, One Man Gang, Norman the Lunatic, The Skyscrapers (Sid Vicious, Dan Spivey and Mark Calaway), Marcus Bagwell, 2 Cold Scorpio, Joey Maggs, Craig Pittman, Jim Powers, Bobby Walker, Ice Train and Bobby Eaton while in Jim Crockett Promotions and WCW. D'Lo Brown, Rodney Mack, Christopher Nowinski, Rosey, Mark Henry and Jazz at wwe.
ReplyDeleteYou'd have to make this with a non-Cliq, non-Bret qualifier... and the Rumble doesn't count either... so that leaves us with...
ReplyDelete...
... um...
... Undertaker at WM12?
Dat shiny vest doe.
ReplyDeleteMr. Hughes thinking he won the quarterfinal King of the Ring match against Mr. Perfect by knocking him in the head with the Undertaker's urn ranks up there.
ReplyDeleteHe hit Perfect in the head with it in full view of the ref, the bell rang immediately, and he seemed genuinely surprised to hear Fink announce he'd been disqualified.
That was a pretty good match. But man Nash doesn't have a lot to write home about once he left the WWF. Fucking #2 or 1(a) guy in wcw for basically 5 years and BatB was his best match?
ReplyDeleteHow It Should Have Ended is funny.
ReplyDeleteThis is just putting different dialogue over a foreign film scene. Any moron can do that. HISHE actually requires talent.
No, but he did wear a fedora... wait, that was a different Curtis Hughes...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.comicvine.com/curtis-hughes/4005-15859/
I absolutely LOVE HISHE! I wish he did some animation for wrestling storylines.
ReplyDeleteI just saw one for Last Crusade, frigging hilarious opening of Indy shooting Hitler, and everyone just stares at him while he hums the Indy scene and makes the slowest escape possible.
ReplyDeleteOnly thing I remember about Hughes was from Mick Foley's first book, where he told the story of how Hughes botched a finish and caused DDP to lose in his hometown when he was booked to win, then went to the bar where DDP was treating and drank the beer that Page was paying for.
ReplyDeleteHey, you both can THANK yourselves you motherthankers.
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If he was going to be walking in July anyway, if anything hhh was way too important a match.
ReplyDeleteThere is no right or wrong. There is only funny or not funny.
ReplyDeleteThat was not funny.
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Nothing except leech 90% of his heat away to HHH and Co., stall him out as the "rebel babyface" taking on the Corporation, and totally put Hunter in a better position than Punk afterwards. Can you imagine Vince McMahon doing that to "red-hot, rebel babyface" Steve Austin at ANY point in their feud, let alone when Austin was at his hottest? I thought not.
ReplyDeleteReally, that match, the clusterfuck finish, and everything that followed in its wake were just DEATH on the "rebel babyface" Punk. He needed a heel turn and Heyman to revive him, is how badly it hurt him.
What I remember of Curtis Hughes
ReplyDelete-Had a shoot fight against Shamrock on Raw back in '99. Remember the one where Jericho was trying to break them up.
-New Jack speaks of him in glowing terms.
-Allegedly fired for visiting a very adult bar.
Where does the story go from there? It goes the same place that Austin v. McMahon went. Just because Punk "won the battle" doesn't mean he "won the war". Austin got the better of Vince, and Vince got the better of Austin (98% of the time through shenanigans but still)...but they kept the feud going. The main problem is that Hunter is allergic to "showing ass" or looking at ALL weak against ANYONE that's not in his clique. He wants to play the Vince McMahon role, but he doesn't want to BE Vince McMahon, cowardly owner and corporate asshat. He wants to be the Almighty H, Destroyer of ALL....and that just doesn't work in the Vince McMahon role. It doesn't.
ReplyDeleteHow so? Punk is/was one of their biggest stars - who else should have wrestled HHH other than perhaps Bryan?
ReplyDeleteBy that logic, Rock or Brock shouldn't have wrestled any comeback matches as they were always gone shortly after.
Please tell me you're not trying to compare punk to either rock or Brock.
ReplyDeleteWhy did this get downvoted? It's a legit possibility, after the reactions at the Rumble. Reigns has "breakout star" written all over him.
ReplyDeleteObviously he's not as big a star as either but he is/was in the top 3 full-time stars on the WWE roster, so to argue that his upcoming contract expiry negated any point of making bank on him with a big feud in the meantime seems to contradict arguments that work in favour of Brock and Rock.
ReplyDeleteYou can't make the same arguments for punk as you do for rock and Brock.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Money is money, regardless of the amount. If HHH/Punk is the biggest match they can think of for HHH, why not do it while Punk is around to earn them cash?
ReplyDeleteBecause punk isn't 1/10 the draw that either of them are. Wm will do no more buys with him than without him.
ReplyDeleteThat was the funniest thing I've seen I'm a long time. Bravo
ReplyDeleteWas that the time Rock randomly showed up at RAW after he quit? Cause I was at that RAW live and bah gawd almighty, that was the loudest crowd reaction I've ever been apart of.
ReplyDeleteBricks would be shat. And thrown through TVs.
ReplyDeleteWell, nobody on the current roster bar Cena is 1/10 the draw of those two. Should nobody else have matches?
ReplyDeleteYeah HISHE is good too!
ReplyDeleteWas punk not scheduled to have a match?
ReplyDeleteMe neither, but I'm on board with that.
ReplyDeletehe talks about how he's subscribed to the wwe network, but no one can subscribe to it yet
ReplyDeleteso, i'm inclined to say this is fake
Que? Your original point was that he shouldn't have a high-profile match due to his upcoming departure. I said, as one of their top stars, it makes sense to make money off him while he's still around. You're now saying numbers won't be affected by his presence or non-presence so I guess it comes down to you just thinking Punk isn't a draw at all. If that's your argument, then literally only Cena is a draw from the full-time roster and it's pointless advertising marquee matches that involve anyone other than him or the part-time brigade. Is that correct? If so, why would it matter who wrestled HHH, since he's the one drawing?
ReplyDeleteI ALREADY MENTIONED THAT
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Mr. Hughes trained Heath Slater, so thats one feather in his hat...
ReplyDelete'thats one feather in his hat.'
ReplyDeletewell, he DID wear a fedora...
Oy vey. First, he was supposed to have a match. With Hunter. Which is a very high profile spot even if he doesn't think so. Second, he's not a draw at all, so there's no need to cater to his demands as he adds no buys to wm there or not. Third, he's leaving in July, no it makes no sense to build him up for anything. Why would the wwe cave and upset their whole plan because he's all butthurt 3 months before he's fucking off anyway?
ReplyDeleteSo if he has no market value why does Vince reportedly want him back? Why whould HHH agree to have one of his now rare matches with him, let alone at Wrestlemania? Who else, other than perhaps Bryan, could they put in that position and expect to draw in any way? If the answer is "no-one", why does it matter?
ReplyDelete"Third, he's leaving in July, no it makes no sense to build him up for anything." is what I originally picked up on. You can make this argument for any part-timer. Yes, Rock and Brock will bring in more revenue, obviously, but I'd argue HHH/Punk as a WM Main Event (one of them, anyway) would garner more buys than HHH/Ziggler or HHH/Sheamus or Cena/Wyatt or even Batista/Orton at this stage. In which case, why not use Punk for that match while you can?
Uh what? The HHH match is the one he's refusing to do. He's insisting on a match with people that already have matches. Are you confused?
ReplyDeleteI think you're confused.
ReplyDelete"If he was going to be walking in July anyway, if anything hhh was way too important a match."
That's what you said. And I said that you may as well use Punk for that match while you could.
Again, he's refusing to do that match.
ReplyDeleteWhich has what to do with your original point, exactly?
ReplyDeleteThe point that it makes no sense to cave to his demands?
ReplyDeleteNo, your original post that I responded to:
ReplyDelete"If he was going to be walking in July anyway, if anything hhh was way too important a match."
Why?
I'm bored with repeating myself. You're right, they should put him over taker, Brock and rock and it would be the biggest wm of all time. Seriously, his stardom dwarfs both austin and hulkamania combined.
ReplyDeleteHaha, so you're refusing to defend your original point while inventing a straw-man argument to babble against. I was just asking you to back up your argument of why HHH was too big a match for him, just once. Preferably with an alternative match that would replace it. It's really not hard.
ReplyDeleteThey could put Kofi in the match and it wouldn't affect the buyrate. They could have Kofi wrestle Cesaro and it wouldn't affect the buyrate. Because punk doesn't move the needle for wm at all. Now if they actually had someone to put with Hunter that could draw, it would be something. But Batista and Cena and Brock and Taker and DB are busy.
ReplyDeleteAnd I pretty much agree with that. Which brings me back to the original point, if the match is meaningless, then why, according to you, was it way too important a match for Punk to be wrestling? If by your own words it's a meaningless-to-buyrates match and there was no-one else for HHH to wrestle that would actually draw?
ReplyDeleteShe ain't bad.
ReplyDeleteI find myself wondering if he's seeing this as his Blazing Saddles...without the racial overtones.
He's fucking Hitler. He'd find a way.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy HISHE. However, to say that "any moron" can write dialogue is not correct. Writing is not as easy as many people seem to think.
ReplyDeleteSincerely,
WWE Creative.
I particularly love the Cafes.
ReplyDeleteYou actually: 1. Got Dougie to argue and flustered him. 2. Painted him into a corner, effectively shutting him up.
ReplyDeleteImpressive.
I'd think more people would pay to see CM Punk than they would Triple H.
ReplyDeleteNo matter what WWE tells you, Triple H was NEVER a draw. He was the least over member of DX and he was the damn leader.
No. Even with the added filler (which I can helpfully use as food or bathroom breaks, or jsut for the room of friends to get unglued from the TV for a moment), I much prefer the current PPV format of less matches with more time; it makes each match feel more important than a slapdash 5 minute eight-man tag like we got with the Corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteI would say I found this hilarious but I would hate to be accused of being racist again by Colin Kaepernick.
ReplyDeleteHughes was a fairly impressive big man worker before he settled into the body guard gimmick. As the Big Cat I remember he used to do a rope walk splash in the AWA, which is quite the visual coming from a 300 pound man. It seemed as though he sacrificed all his mobility and agility to wrestle in a suit. I don't remember any memorable Mr. Hughes matches, but the Big Cat had a fair amount of go in him.
ReplyDeleteEasy now...
ReplyDeleteI never engage with troll-types generally but I had some spare time. I'm proud of the results!
ReplyDeleteYup, exactly. June of 2002. It was a great promo and they crowd ate it up.
ReplyDeleteHogan as host sounds like perfect use of him
ReplyDeleteThe roof was shaking. I should know, I was damn near at the top of the arena.
ReplyDeleteBut I read everything posted by all of the important posters!
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Didn't they do a storyline where Virgil pawned the Million Dollar Belt? I guess that money didn't last for very long...
ReplyDeleteHe had an epic scowl. So epic, in fact, he would point to it so you would know it.
ReplyDeleteWait, what? Who did Kaep call racist?
ReplyDelete"This show is about as interesting as Marge Scott reading excerpts from Mein Kampf."
ReplyDeleteI think he used to play for the Sabres and Penguins. Wait, that guy's name was Satan. Never mind...
ReplyDeleteTHERE'S NO HULKAMANIACS HERE!!!
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, that's true I suppose.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't know when they started doing them for EVERY match on a PPV. It didn't seem that way, say a decade ago, whilst watching a live PPV?
I made a remark in the original Punk thread about him being good with money since he has numerous Jewish friends. I based this comment off an interview he did with Rosenburg where Punk said "all my council is Jewish". Mick and Chris Jordan and some others jumped all over me.
ReplyDeleteThis was the first of these I've ever seen and I found it to be funny. It's still new to me dammit
ReplyDeleteI barely remember Hughes. He seemed to come in as someone's bodyguard for about a month at a time and then vanish.
ReplyDeleteTo quote South Park (feel free to look up the clip yourself, I'm too drunk/lazy right now) "Not all stereotypes are bad. Here's an example of a positive stereotype: All Asians are good at math".
ReplyDeleteWrestleMania needn't a host.
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