So I watched the 12-29-91 WWF msg show today...safe to say none of that card is going to make it on tprincess A+ match of the day. However it does feature a Chris walker vs Brooklyn brawler match where heenan and moonsoon hysterically shit all over Brooklyn
I'd normally provide a few star ratings but I could barely pay attention to the matches. There was a decent hart vs dibiase time limit draw with tons of gratuitous Sherri upskirts and a flair vs hogan main event that's worth watching.
This line shifted a LOT as it got close to gametime. I was planning on betting on the Colts but the line shifted 2.5 points on some sites and a full 3 on others in the Chiefs favor all late. I don't really know why either; usually fast line moves come from injury speculation or weather concerns but this is in a dome and there wasn't any news.
I was planning on taking the the Colts but ended up not betting just because something seemed fishy about the line move. It's always possible a few whales decided they really liked the Chiefs but...eh....I'll just sit this one out.
It's funny how the perception of Brooklyn has changed so much over the past 20 years. These days if someone says Brooklyn I'm thinking of hipsters, bad fashion trends, gentrification and awful music. 20 years ago "Brooklyn" meant something completely different.
I have no faith in Alex Smith, but I'm happy the Chiefs stumbled onto an identity this year. A few Schottenheimer years, the two Montana years, and the Vermeil years were good but not great (and are all distant memories at this point). I lived in Kansas for a few years and still have a couple of close friends who are big Chiefs fans...so go Chiefs
To be fair the Colts played at least 4 games I can remember that all started like this. Team has no pulse in the 1st half, gets walked over. Halftime comes, they come out looking like a different team.
They sure don't look like they're coming back in this one but it's happened before.
Anyone else get the feeling they're watching Rich Gannon 2.0 out there with Smith? Good runner, smart passer... I still wouldn't want the ball in his hands if the game was tied or the team was behind in the fourth quarter, but wow. I didn't think he had this in him.
For a non-gambler such as myself, if you have the time or inclination...what's the difference between a tease and a normal bet for KC? I have no idea what a tease is
In its most basic form, you can move the line 6 points either way but you must bet 2 games and win both games to win the entire bet. For example. Regular lines were KC-2 and Philly -2.5. I teased KC +4 and NO +8.5. For me to win the bet both have to cover. If only 1 covers I lose the bet
When Rozelle was commissioner he had an unwritten rule that cold weather games were not scheduled at night. Bigger game or not, no way they should be playing at 8.
They still had Monday Night Football. They were never scheduled in a cold city in the winter. Taglibue just completely sold out to the tv networks. It's going to get to the point that CBS, NBC, and Fox make out the schedules.
My niece and nephew worked out with me this morning and we were playing some old Bret Hart heel turn stuff. His promo from the night after WM just captured the room. Riveting stuff.
Nice. I have never actually seen this whole match before... Flair's performance is great... but Heenan being apoplectic on commentary the whole match is the real gold here.
Oh and when Flair an Piper were alone I kept thinking "These guys will be on Wife Swap in 20 years"
NBC gets to pick what game it wants to make the night game. They picked the Saints. When you pay billions of dollars, you control when the games are. I'm a Saints fan, no issue with it
It's not an asshole move. It's logic, you put your marquee matchups at a time when everyone can watch. I am surprised Cincy SD wasn't Mayocked, but NBC looks smart now
It generally works where NBC picks first, CBS or FOX pick next and then NBC gets the leftover. I haven't gotten an explanation as to why KC Indy got Mayocked, though again, it looks like the right call
Pretty much. Maybe Andre since you can barely understand what he says... but yeah the real Hogan feud through the mid 1980's was Hogan vs. Heenan with different people as his avatar
I'm surprised Cincy v. SD wasn't the Mayock game, since really, who cares. You would think CBS would've wanted KC v. Indy, but maybe it was a compromise for them getting both late games in the divisional round
I'm sure there is a lot of backroom wheeling and dealing. I do wonder if there is some kind of order to this or if it resembles the politics of the Kliq era.
This talk about Heenan made me think of Hercules for some reason. You ever seen the match where Hercules no-sold all of Sid's stuff? Pretty sure Vince black balled him after that.
I don't get why they can't sync up multiple camera views within thousandths of a second and compare that way to definitively tell what's right/wrong/out of bounds/in bounds
You should be. Its awful... its like when the Rock has a big movie entertainment commentators can say shit like "Dwayne Johnson bodyslams the box office this week" and think they are clever
The sports/technology thing really is a head scratcher. All the money in the world but refuse to spend a couple of dollars on some up to date technology. Why are the refs still looking under a hood at a 3 dollar tv for reviews?
One of the worst draft picks in a while. However, the Browns were at least able to get another first rounder by trading him so it could have been worse
Did they play in 07 or were you talking about the 02-03 season where it was like 39-38 and had that huge clusterfuck of a last play on the botch field goal? Jeff Garcia was a helluva QB--he got a raw deal for the last half of his career.
There is a lot of time in the film room, doubt they are actually watching it. A few years ago, I want to say it was Mike Tomzack, that admitted he just wasn't ready to play when the starter went down. Craziest thing I ever heard.
I don't know... Jason Garrett was a pretty good clipboard holder and had to do a lot less as a head coach (besides hiding his puppet strings) than the Kube
Yea. I think Melo, Cp3 can compete at the top kevel. Blake is still box office enough to sell sell tix amd good enough where it's not a complete rebuild move. Knocks suck now and Clips are destined to lose 2nd round unless they do something. Why not?
Looks like the best thing the Colts got out of the Trent Richardson trade was that it work Donald Brown up. He has been pretty damn good since that trade went down
I get why the Knicks would consider it. I don't understand why the Clippers or any GM with access to modern stats would consider it. Blake contributes significantly more to winning than Carmelo does and Blake is getting better whereas Carmelo is on schedule to decline. Carmelo is more expensive in the short term and in order to get him you'd have to pay for his extension meaning you're paying a premium (max) price for what will assuredly be post-prime years.
Even outside of the stat bubble, the Clippers already have THE elite ball handler in the NBA meaning that one of the things that Carmelo brings to the table outside of tangible production (ball handling and shot creation) are things that would be undervalued on the Clippers team.
I don't like it much for the Knicks side either outside of financials. Their guard position is a disaster meaning that Melo's ball handling has real value and nobody on that team could utilize Blake nearly as efficiently as the Clippers do. There's a strong stat case to be made that Blake's leaps in production are as much Paul and the cadre of shooters doing as his own improvement. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's a major stat-head point of discussion right now.
Unfortunately the Knicks have to consider it in order to save face because Melo will likely leave in the offseason with both Dallas AND LA Lakers having the space to bring him on (whether they would be advised to pay for him is another story).
See, I disagree man. The advanced stats say blake might be more efficient. But what the clips need is the guy you can give the ball to, isolate, and he can go get you a hoop. I don't think Melo can be the best player on a title team but I think Cp3 is good enough where he could be like 1 a and 1b on a title team
Based on Melo's play in the Olympics, I think he's being misused. He played the 4 and just rebounded and defended the post. He was a beast. This primary scorer superstar thing just isn't cut out for his game.
I still think there's plenty of time left for the Colts to tighten up, too, as they get closer. We'll see.
Can't stand the jabs Simmons makes at Manning, though. I liken the Manning-Brady rivalry to the Sampras-Agassi rivalry in tennis. Sure, one guy won more overall and head-to-head (Sampras/Brady), but the other guy has so much more charisma, has plenty of huge wins of his own, and has miraculous longevity.
If anything I think he's taken a little too much criticism this game. That last INT was not really his fault. It was behind him but he got his hands on it and shuffled it to the defender. Welker is still getting grilled for a similar play 3 years later.
A lot of that efficiency had to do with the fact that the 4 is a different position in the international game with more emphasis on speed and shooting and less on old NBA 80s style Kevin McHale post game. It stands to note that when the US played that style ball against Spain the Gasol bros (Pau in particular) almost beat the US by themselves.
I agree in theory that they should be playing him less of a 3 and more of a 4 and surround him with shooters like they did last year on the Knicks team (that team won 54 games and nobody gives them any credit for it), but I don't think he could be used to that potential on the Clippers or the Knicks this year. Woodson should be fired just for blowing up that situation even if it's not 100% his fault.
Manning has spent his whole career turning chicken sh*t into chicken salad. He's played on some awful, awful teams that only went as far as he could take them.
Brady is a system guy. I don't think he functions at such a high level without the Belicheck system.
I teased KC but both these teams fucking suck imo.
ReplyDeleteAmazing what a difference Wayne's injury made for Colts. Shame Bradshaw's made of glass, he could have been a big help for them.
ReplyDeleteI think the colts are gonna surprise people these playoffs. Definitely inconsistent but no team had better wins than they did this year
ReplyDeleteEh, I like Luck and Reid/Smith could easily shit themselves here.
ReplyDeleteYikes, THIS is the NBC b team announcing? They should have just paid one of the full time NFL networks to borrow a team of theirs
ReplyDeleteIf this does get turned into the Saturday night thread, what time should it start?
ReplyDeleteI teased the chiefs to +7, this o/u to 41 and the next games o/u to 48.5
ReplyDeleteFuck you chuck strong
ReplyDeleteBig drive for the Chiefs.
ReplyDeleteMayock is awful.
ReplyDeleteSo I watched the 12-29-91 WWF msg show today...safe to say none of that card is going to make it on tprincess A+ match of the day. However it does feature a Chris walker vs Brooklyn brawler match where heenan and moonsoon hysterically shit all over Brooklyn
ReplyDeleteThe city or the brawler?
ReplyDeleteI'll be happy if they lose by six or better
ReplyDeleteThe city. They trashed it like someone talking about Detroit today
ReplyDeleteMatt Millen ftw
ReplyDeleteI would've loved to have heard Heenan and Monsoon call some of today's action. Talk about crapping on a product.
ReplyDeleteI'd normally provide a few star ratings but I could barely pay attention to the matches. There was a decent hart vs dibiase time limit draw with tons of gratuitous Sherri upskirts and a flair vs hogan main event that's worth watching.
ReplyDeleteThis line shifted a LOT as it got close to gametime. I was planning on betting on the Colts but the line shifted 2.5 points on some sites and a full 3 on others in the Chiefs favor all late. I don't really know why either; usually fast line moves come from injury speculation or weather concerns but this is in a dome and there wasn't any news.
ReplyDeleteI was planning on taking the the Colts but ended up not betting just because something seemed fishy about the line move. It's always possible a few whales decided they really liked the Chiefs but...eh....I'll just sit this one out.
Is this the Matt striker of nbc?
ReplyDeleteWell that's not nice.
ReplyDeleteMight be worse.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how the perception of Brooklyn has changed so much over the past 20 years. These days if someone says Brooklyn I'm thinking of hipsters, bad fashion trends, gentrification and awful music. 20 years ago "Brooklyn" meant something completely different.
ReplyDeleteThat's way to easy.
ReplyDeleteI got the colts at +1 and teased them
ReplyDeleteYea. Wtf. I still teased KC but for me it moved ALOT since thins morning
ReplyDeleteWhich defence wakes up first?
ReplyDeleteDamn, I was hoping for the lateral there.
ReplyDeleteYEA FUCKERS!!!!!
ReplyDeleteYou can tell he totally thought about it too
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, at home:
ReplyDelete"Fuck you Matt Ryan."
-Tony Gonzalez
I fucking HATE when teams get first and goal within the 6 and don't run it on first. Man up
ReplyDeleteDoesn't that have a pretty good Flair - Hogan bout?
ReplyDeleteAdvantage: Chiefs.
ReplyDelete10 point lead: Chiefs
ReplyDeleteBIG Advantage: Chiefs.
ReplyDeleteDoes Trent Richardson have a job after this year? Because uh...
ReplyDeleteAnd the Colts are missing a 1st Rounder because of him.
ReplyDeleteHe's too big and slow for a RB. Better off at FB.
ReplyDeleteI have no faith in Alex Smith, but I'm happy the Chiefs stumbled onto an identity this year. A few Schottenheimer years, the two Montana years, and the Vermeil years were good but not great (and are all distant memories at this point). I lived in Kansas for a few years and still have a couple of close friends who are big Chiefs fans...so go Chiefs
ReplyDeleteThe Colts are such pretenders that it hurts.
ReplyDeleteThey're lucky they play in the AFC South.
I never thought the Browns would fucking win that trade.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair the Colts played at least 4 games I can remember that all started like this. Team has no pulse in the 1st half, gets walked over. Halftime comes, they come out looking like a different team.
ReplyDeleteThey sure don't look like they're coming back in this one but it's happened before.
Was that Luck trash talking and oblivious to the situation while one of his receivers was down? Class.
ReplyDeleteI saw two things:
ReplyDeleteLuck trash talking a Chief while walking up to the new huddle, probably didn't realize Hilton was down...
Luck talking to a teammate right before the break.
Go.
ReplyDeleteThat was ballsy. If you're wrong there...
ReplyDeleteIf you punt, you're likely dead anyway. That might have been the game, but it had to be done.
ReplyDeleteStupid Chiefs... don't you know they would NEVER give the ball to Richardson in a critical moment?
ReplyDeleteOuch, refs keeping the flags pocketed today...
ReplyDeleteWhat's the line on the Saints/Eagles game?
ReplyDeleteEagles -2.5 or -3 depending on where you go. It was 2.5 everywhere a couple days ago though.
ReplyDeleteOnly if I can collect $200.
ReplyDeleteAlex Smith: "Who needs Jamaal Charles?"
ReplyDeleteAnyone else get the feeling they're watching Rich Gannon 2.0 out there with Smith? Good runner, smart passer... I still wouldn't want the ball in his hands if the game was tied or the team was behind in the fourth quarter, but wow. I didn't think he had this in him.
ReplyDeleteWTF. Had to run out for a second. Chiefs scored 2 more times without charles. Fuck yea
ReplyDeleteAlex Smith bringing the pain, both with his arm and feet.
ReplyDeleteI wish I bet kc instead of a tease. Didn't have the balls
ReplyDeleteIt's "Get Your Dick Hard Pill Selling" Time!
ReplyDeleteFor a non-gambler such as myself, if you have the time or inclination...what's the difference between a tease and a normal bet for KC? I have no idea what a tease is
ReplyDeleteIn its most basic form, you can move the line 6 points either way but you must bet 2 games and win both games to win the entire bet. For example. Regular lines were KC-2 and Philly -2.5. I teased KC +4 and NO +8.5. For me to win the bet both have to cover. If only 1 covers I lose the bet
ReplyDeleteFuck yea
ReplyDeleteShort version: You get extra points, but have to bet an extra game in trade.
ReplyDeleteAnd damn, that was a good teammate hit on the INT.
ReplyDeleteConcise and educational. Thanks
ReplyDeleteThe Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon.
ReplyDeleteJohnny Carson's soul just had the urge to possess a mobster and have a hit put on Jimmy.
I see this going as well as the Conan thing.
ReplyDeleteNo problem
ReplyDeleteNo way NO loses by 8.5 points.
ReplyDeleteWhich means he wins that bet.
ReplyDeleteThe NFL people are assholes for making Philly the late game. The dome team plays early and the place were it's 200 below is the night game, ok NFL.
ReplyDeleteAre we seeing a new AFC favorite?
ReplyDeleteSaints/Eagles is the bigger game, so it's only right it gets the nightcap.
ReplyDeleteOh, ok.
ReplyDeleteStill new to this betting thing.
No. Just the Colts being exposed.
ReplyDeleteWhen Rozelle was commissioner he had an unwritten rule that cold weather games were not scheduled at night. Bigger game or not, no way they should be playing at 8.
ReplyDeleteI hope you're right
ReplyDeleteCAROLINA SHALL DEFEAT ALL OF THESE TEAMS!
ReplyDeleteUltimate upvotes
ReplyDeleteThere wasn't much night football when Rozelle played anyway. Hell, didn't the first few Super Bowls start and finish in daylight?
ReplyDeleteA+
ReplyDeleteIt is because I am such a big sports man that I am able to make such astute observations
ReplyDelete(with a tear in my eye. No, Bret, not for you.)
ReplyDeleteOnly one way to celebrate!
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-O0xzxIRZk
They still had Monday Night Football. They were never scheduled in a cold city in the winter. Taglibue just completely sold out to the tv networks. It's going to get to the point that CBS, NBC, and Fox make out the schedules.
ReplyDeleteIronically I am watching the 1992 rumble right now
ReplyDeleteI hope to leech off of some of your expert tutelage in order to obtain such powers.
ReplyDeleteWe're not there already?
ReplyDeleteMy niece and nephew worked out with me this morning and we were playing some old Bret Hart heel turn stuff. His promo from the night after WM just captured the room. Riveting stuff.
ReplyDeleteSeems like it, doesn't it. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they really did.
ReplyDeleteHahahhahahhagaga. This is awesome
ReplyDelete2 deep shell. Just say 2 base man. Stop trying to mover complicate it
ReplyDeleteThat line movement is looking better and better.
ReplyDeleteNice. I have never actually seen this whole match before... Flair's performance is great... but Heenan being apoplectic on commentary the whole match is the real gold here.
ReplyDeleteOh and when Flair an Piper were alone I kept thinking "These guys will be on Wife Swap in 20 years"
At least the Colts can't lose 62-7.
ReplyDeleteKC is gonna be big dogs going into Denver. -10 I bet
ReplyDeletehahaha. Heenan was just killing it there. I think that was the apex for him and Gorilla, I don't think they ever topped that again.
ReplyDeleteI think if Heenan came around now they would make him hit the gym and have him be a wrestler... they wouldn't want to waste that charisma on a manager
ReplyDeleteWhether you're playing at 4 or 8, you're still freezing your tail off for three hours.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe someone criticized Andrew Luck. That is more shocking than the score of the game
ReplyDeleteThey lost by 10 at Denver, and by 7 at home.
ReplyDeleteDenver would love to play KC at home. They'd never admit it but they're probably cheering pretty hard for Cincy tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteNBC gets to pick what game it wants to make the night game. They picked the Saints. When you pay billions of dollars, you control when the games are. I'm a Saints fan, no issue with it
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I'm trying to think who he really helped as a manager. I say he helped the faces more than the people he was charged with.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, at least it'll be nice and clear. Frozen as fuck, but clear.
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between some sunlight and not having it. Plus that 30 degrees can make a good difference. It's still an asshole move.
ReplyDeleteHe's a young white qb who went to Stanford. He's like jesus to analysts
ReplyDeleteI figured they did, but wasn't sure. It's nice to see what a billion can buy these days.
ReplyDeleteIt's not an asshole move. It's logic, you put your marquee matchups at a time when everyone can watch. I am surprised Cincy SD wasn't Mayocked, but NBC looks smart now
ReplyDeleteMan, I don't disagree but beating a team 3 times in 1 season is always tough.
ReplyDeleteFor the record I think he's the best of his class, but the criticism is just so out of whack. Andrew Luck can do no wrong and RGIII can do no right.
ReplyDeleteIt generally works where NBC picks first, CBS or FOX pick next and then NBC gets the leftover. I haven't gotten an explanation as to why KC Indy got Mayocked, though again, it looks like the right call
ReplyDeleteDoes NBC have either of tomorrow's games?
ReplyDeleteI'm talking about for the fans.
ReplyDeleteNo, NBC always gets the Saturday slate
ReplyDeleteYou live in Philly, you expect it. Plus, they get to spend all day drinking
ReplyDeleteThe Mayock thing is understandable if Saints/Eagles is the bigger game.
ReplyDeleteWell for RGIII that is just tough... Luck. (Sorry I am really out of my element here)
ReplyDeleteEven if it's -6 degrees?
ReplyDeletePretty much. Maybe Andre since you can barely understand what he says... but yeah the real Hogan feud through the mid 1980's was Hogan vs. Heenan with different people as his avatar
ReplyDeleteWell played sir. You sound just like one of those stuck in the 50s sportswriters that stopped looking at the calendar decades ago.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised Cincy v. SD wasn't the Mayock game, since really, who cares. You would think CBS would've wanted KC v. Indy, but maybe it was a compromise for them getting both late games in the divisional round
ReplyDeleteEXTRE EXTRE READ ALL ABOUT IT MANTLE AND maris ATTEMPT TO BREAK THE BAMBINOS HOMERUN RECORD!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure there is a lot of backroom wheeling and dealing. I do wonder if there is some kind of order to this or if it resembles the politics of the Kliq era.
ReplyDeleteYea, like NFL forcing CBS to give up its protection on the first Chiefs v. Broncos game.
ReplyDeleteI can definitely dig it......SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ReplyDeleteI don't think the Colts are keeping this ball
ReplyDeleteIt was 33 earlier today and supposed to be around 23 tonight with a chance of snow. I'd take above freezing temp over below freezing temp
ReplyDeleteI'm embarrassed for laughing at this
ReplyDeleteHe slides out without possession. Terrible call if indy gets ball
ReplyDeleteAnd a terrible call it is
ReplyDeleteThis talk about Heenan made me think of Hercules for some reason. You ever seen the match where Hercules no-sold all of Sid's stuff? Pretty sure Vince black balled him after that.
ReplyDeleteI don't get why they can't sync up multiple camera views within thousandths of a second and compare that way to definitively tell what's right/wrong/out of bounds/in bounds
ReplyDeleteFuck. Now I'm getting annoyed.
ReplyDeleteYou should be. Its awful... its like when the Rock has a big movie entertainment commentators can say shit like "Dwayne Johnson bodyslams the box office this week" and think they are clever
ReplyDeleteCan't say I have... Poor Herc
ReplyDeleteChiefs NEVER come out of man. Fuck. Keep showing 2 base or a weak blitz man and they're gonna catch up.
ReplyDeleteThe sports/technology thing really is a head scratcher. All the money in the world but refuse to spend a couple of dollars on some up to date technology. Why are the refs still looking under a hood at a 3 dollar tv for reviews?
ReplyDeleteI don't quite think it's going to happen but I'll say this.
ReplyDeleteIf the Colts come all the way back, this'll perfectly encapsulate both the Colts season and the Chiefs season at the same time.
It's only 30 seconds but well worth your time. Watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHEJJr7w0oU
ReplyDeleteFIFA disapproves.
ReplyDeleteOne of the worst draft picks in a while. However, the Browns were at least able to get another first rounder by trading him so it could have been worse
ReplyDeleteHa. Sometimes corny can be effective I gurss. If Dwyane tells a joke, I'm laughing.
ReplyDeleteof what? technology?
ReplyDelete"It's only 30 seconds but well worth your time."
ReplyDeleteI've said that to women before!
He's their best DB. This has met down written all over it.
ReplyDeleteI say no, but there is always that coach that believes he has the power to get the best out of a guy.
ReplyDeleteI say it to the same woman everytime. Sucker
ReplyDeleteThere have been so many great playoff comebacks, Frank reich cones to mind but that niners vs Gmen in 07 was my favorite
ReplyDeleteSo Sid pretty much deadlifted 300 pounds?
ReplyDeleteDid they play in 07 or were you talking about the 02-03 season where it was like 39-38 and had that huge clusterfuck of a last play on the botch field goal? Jeff Garcia was a helluva QB--he got a raw deal for the last half of his career.
ReplyDeleteOkay, this made me think of the Bud Light Superstition commercials:
ReplyDeletehttp://deadspin.com/the-saints-are-eating-popeyes-again-1494692987
Chiefs are going to blow this
ReplyDeleteI know Herc was being a douche but he really could have hurt himself with that. If he didn't want to do the finish then don't even let him attempt it.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen angry bitter fatguy recently u don't know 8 that's good or bad
ReplyDeleteFUCK. NOW I'm worried
ReplyDeleteHe changed his user name back to Todd Lorenz
ReplyDeleteIs there a better job in the US the nfl punter?
ReplyDeletedesignated hitter
ReplyDeleteNo, the backup qb that spends 18 seasons in the NFL without ever having to get in a game
ReplyDeleteXFL Legend Tommy Maddox had a pretty good comeback to give the Steelers a victory on that same day, IIRC
ReplyDeleteCurtis Painter felt like he owned the world... then Manning got hurt.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the punter has a lot less pressure than the placekicker. Hard to lose the job unless you really suck or have the last name Kluwe
ReplyDeleteDisagree. If you're a backup qb you probably spend a ton of time watching film.
ReplyDeleteThat hurt a lot, if you are a Colts fan
ReplyDeletehahaha I bet he crapped his pants when Manning went down. "Get up man, please dear God get up Peyton".
ReplyDeleteMan Gary Kubiak owned that role. Second goes to Ty Detmer
Jared Lorenzen or GTFO.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of time in the film room, doubt they are actually watching it. A few years ago, I want to say it was Mike Tomzack, that admitted he just wasn't ready to play when the starter went down. Craziest thing I ever heard.
ReplyDeleteYea, remember that. Haven't seen him in awhile either. He posted like every day for awhile
ReplyDeleteI don't know... Jason Garrett was a pretty good clipboard holder and had to do a lot less as a head coach (besides hiding his puppet strings) than the Kube
ReplyDeleteA bit off topic, but what do you guys think of the proposed Carmelo Anthony for Blake Griffin trade?
ReplyDeleteBrian Hoyer could hold a clipboard like a pro.
ReplyDeleteLOVE it for both teams
ReplyDeleteI don't know man. Kubiak was basically the offensive coordinator but I don't think he ever played a snap
ReplyDeleteMe too. Blake seems like a baby but he will get over big in New York and hopefully Doc can get Camelo to play
ReplyDeleteLol. Fattest qb ever
ReplyDeleteJaMarcus Russell might be the fattest
ReplyDeleteDoug Pederson backed up Favre in his ironman days. He was a respectable clipboard holder as well.
ReplyDeleteYea. I think Melo, Cp3 can compete at the top kevel. Blake is still box office enough to sell sell tix amd good enough where it's not a complete rebuild move. Knocks suck now and Clips are destined to lose 2nd round unless they do something. Why not?
ReplyDeleteLooks like the best thing the Colts got out of the Trent Richardson trade was that it work Donald Brown up. He has been pretty damn good since that trade went down
ReplyDeleteBlake can grab boards and dunk but he cant play defense worth a shit.
ReplyDeleteAnd the losing QB in the Bluegrass Miracle game.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Chiefs have lost their mojo...
ReplyDeleteIn a big way. Imagine if they didnt get that lucky INT.
ReplyDeleteI get why the Knicks would consider it. I don't understand why the Clippers or any GM with access to modern stats would consider it. Blake contributes significantly more to winning than Carmelo does and Blake is getting better whereas Carmelo is on schedule to decline. Carmelo is more expensive in the short term and in order to get him you'd have to pay for his extension meaning you're paying a premium (max) price for what will assuredly be post-prime years.
ReplyDeleteEven outside of the stat bubble, the Clippers already have THE elite ball handler in the NBA meaning that one of the things that Carmelo brings to the table outside of tangible production (ball handling and shot creation) are things that would be undervalued on the Clippers team.
I don't like it much for the Knicks side either outside of financials. Their guard position is a disaster meaning that Melo's ball handling has real value and nobody on that team could utilize Blake nearly as efficiently as the Clippers do. There's a strong stat case to be made that Blake's leaps in production are as much Paul and the cadre of shooters doing as his own improvement. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's a major stat-head point of discussion right now.
Unfortunately the Knicks have to consider it in order to save face because Melo will likely leave in the offseason with both Dallas AND LA Lakers having the space to bring him on (whether they would be advised to pay for him is another story).
So on basketball merit, I hate it for both teams.
As the Colts make this comeback the only thing I can think of is how much the sports guy is going to dump on Andy Reid in his next column.
ReplyDeleteI know we have our share of stat geeks on this site--and that's fine--but momentum exists, people. Michael Cole told me so.
ReplyDeleteMayock back to slurping Andrew Luck. Life is now back to normal.
ReplyDeleteWith Paul hurt 3-5 weeks, it will help in the shot-term anyway and I think they can co-exist together
ReplyDeleteSee, I disagree man. The advanced stats say blake might be more efficient. But what the clips need is the guy you can give the ball to, isolate, and he can go get you a hoop. I don't think Melo can be the best player on a title team but I think Cp3 is good enough where he could be like 1 a and 1b on a title team
ReplyDeleteBased on Melo's play in the Olympics, I think he's being misused. He played the 4 and just rebounded and defended the post. He was a beast. This primary scorer superstar thing just isn't cut out for his game.
ReplyDeleteBarnwell in grant land did a HUGE piece in why momentum is a myth. Not sure if I agree or not
ReplyDeleteI think between the "NO SUCH THING AS MOMENTUM" people and the "MOMENTUM EXISTS" people, momentum is just about properly rated, on average.
ReplyDeleteAs for me... momentum does exist, but only as a small boost to competency + opposition incompetency.
Great call
ReplyDeleteYou can't have momentum, you can only build it.
ReplyDeleteI still think there's plenty of time left for the Colts to tighten up, too, as they get closer. We'll see.
ReplyDeleteCan't stand the jabs Simmons makes at Manning, though. I liken the Manning-Brady rivalry to the Sampras-Agassi rivalry in tennis. Sure, one guy won more overall and head-to-head (Sampras/Brady), but the other guy has so much more charisma, has plenty of huge wins of his own, and has miraculous longevity.
If anything I think he's taken a little too much criticism this game. That last INT was not really his fault. It was behind him but he got his hands on it and shuffled it to the defender. Welker is still getting grilled for a similar play 3 years later.
ReplyDeleteA lot of that efficiency had to do with the fact that the 4 is a different position in the international game with more emphasis on speed and shooting and less on old NBA 80s style Kevin McHale post game. It stands to note that when the US played that style ball against Spain the Gasol bros (Pau in particular) almost beat the US by themselves.
ReplyDeleteI agree in theory that they should be playing him less of a 3 and more of a 4 and surround him with shooters like they did last year on the Knicks team (that team won 54 games and nobody gives them any credit for it), but I don't think he could be used to that potential on the Clippers or the Knicks this year. Woodson should be fired just for blowing up that situation even if it's not 100% his fault.
Manning has spent his whole career turning chicken sh*t into chicken salad. He's played on some awful, awful teams that only went as far as he could take them.
ReplyDeleteBrady is a system guy. I don't think he functions at such a high level without the Belicheck system.
This is probably the only criticism he's taken all season. Part of my point was nothing is ever his fault.
ReplyDeleteGawd. My boy A Smith really can't make plays on his own.
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