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What the World Was Watching: WrestleMania XIV

-Jim Ross and Jerry “the King” Lawler are in the booth and they are live from Boston, Massachusetts.


-Opening Fifteen Team Battle Royal:  The Legion of Doom (w/Sunny) win by eliminating The New Midnight Express at 8:19:

The WWF did not run tag team battle royals very often and the last one prior to this that I recall was held in 1991 when the Nasty Boys won and earned a title shot at WrestleMania VII.  This is the only tag team battle royal in WrestleMania history and is the third battle royal to be contested at the event and the first since WrestleMania IV.  The rules for this type of battle royal is that when your partner is eliminated then you have to exit the ring.  The other teams in this include the Headbangers, Too Much, the Rock N’ Roll Express, the New Midnight Express, Faarooq & Kama Mustafa, D-Lo Brown & Mark Henry, the Disciples of Apocalypse, the Quebecers, the Godwinns, the Truth Commission, Savio Vega & Miguel Perez, Jose & Jesus, Steve Blackman & Flash Funk (??!?!), and Bradshaw & Chainz.  There’s lots of interference in this battle royal, as Kurrgan eliminates the Truth Commission and Barry Windham comes out and tosses Chainz.  The referees seemingly miss all of this.  The Legion of Doom are repackaged here with Sunny, wearing futuristic skull helmets, and this match just serves to reintroduce them and position them as top contenders in the tag division again.  However, as the old saying goes you can put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig.  The Godwinns blast the Legion of Doom with buckets because that feud lingers on despite the best wishes of the audience, but it does no good as the LOD go over in their last WrestleMania appearance and earn a tag team title shot at next month’s Unforgiven pay-per-view.  This would have been better with fewer teams and it was just guys randomly trading punches.  The crowd liked the LOD going over, though.  Rating:  *

-Ross and Lawler talk about the DX Public Workout, where Steve Austin ended up tied in the ropes and Mike Tyson and Shawn Michaels kissed him on the forehead.  Other WrestleMania festivities are shown.

-Light Heavyweight Championship Match:  Taka Michinoku (Champion) beats Aguila with a Michinoku Driver at 5:19:

 Aguila gets the jobber entrance, which is unbecoming of WrestleMania, but he did not get a lot of television time prior to this event.  Both men flip around a lot, but there’s very little psychology to speak of and the Boston crowd does not respond well to the match.  Of course, they might respond better if the WWF gave them a reason to care about this division.  After some really obvious spot positioning and weak striking, Michinoku catches Aguila with a dropkick when Aguila dives off the second rope and defends the title.  This was the swan song of the light heavyweight division, as Michinoku would not defend the title at another pay-per-view until October and Gillberg held the title by the end of the year.  Rating:  *½

-Gennifer Flowers interviews the Intercontinental Champion the Rock.  The Rock cuts a hilarious interview where he demands to be called “the People’s Champion” and says he does not care about the homeless as long as they stay off his property.  He makes some jokes about the judicial system and interns “oral” role in his theoretical White House.

-European Championship Match:  Triple H (Champion w/Chyna) pins Owen Hart with a Pedigree at 11:27:

Keep in mind that Owen is wrestling this match on an injured ankle.  Triple H gets a live musical entrance because the D-Generation X band is present this evening.  Chyna is also handcuffed to Commissioner Slaughter during this match.  Now logic would suggest that Owen gets his revenge here after being outwitted and duped by Triple H at every turn during their three month feud.  However, that is not to be as Chyna drags Slaughter to ringside to help Triple H puts his hand on the rope to break a Sharpshooter and then tosses powder in Slaughter’s eyes, which enables her to low blow Owen and help Triple H retain the title.  This built into a really solid match after a slow and awkward start and this resulted in Owen permanently being relegated to midcard status for the rest of his WWF run.  After the match, Chyna tosses Slaughter into the crowd to continue getting heat and put an end to the DX-Slaughter angle for good.  Rating:  ***¼

-A video package recaps the Marc Mero & Sable-Goldust & Luna Vachon feud.

-Mixed Tag Team Match:  “Marvelous” Marc Mero & Sable beat The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust & Luna Vachon when Sable pins Luna after a TKO at 9:11:

This is the second mixed tag match in WrestleMania history if you count men and women and not the Doink/Dink-Bam Bam Bigelow/Luna match from WrestleMania X.  This is Mero’s first and only WrestleMania match and he sheds the jealous heel persona to be more of a traditional babyface in this bout.  The big question entering this match is whether Sable could wrestle and she is very protected to make her look great.  When she tears into Luna the place explodes and Luna does a good job bumping for her.  It is puzzling booking to have Luna run away from Sable based on her run with Bam Bam Bigelow in 1993-1994, but that is par for the course regarding most WWF heels.  Sable even gets in a few shots on Goldust and the crowd goes wild for a Sable powerbomb.  Mero acts like a small kid after the bell, celebrating as if he got the winning pin.  Well booked and entertaining bout that disguised Sable’s weaknesses and played the crowd like a fiddle.  Who would have imagined sixteen years ago that in 2014 Goldust would be a tag team champion, Sable would be married to a former UFC champion, Mero would be preaching the virtues of Christianity, and Luna would no longer be with us?  Rating:  ***

-Tennessee Lee introduces Gennifer Flowers, who is accompanied down the aisle by Jeff Jarrett.  Flowers tells Jarrett that he’s great and then does the guest ring announcing duties for the next match.

-Intercontinental Championship Match:  The Rock (Champion w/The Nation of Domination) beats Ken Shamrock by reverse decision at 4:48:

During this match, one smart fan holds up a “Rob Van Dam” poster.  Since Commissioner Slaughter was disabled by Chyna a few matches ago the Nation is allowed to congregate around ringside for this one.  If the Rock gets disqualified in this then he loses the title, but the announcers never bring that up and it never factors into the match.  Shamrock takes another sick shot with a chair in this match, causing me to question his sanity, but he shakes it off and snaps.  The Rock submits to the ankle lock, but Shamrock beats up the entire Nation and reapplies the ankle lock.  Faarooq runs out, but he decides not to help the Rock, thereby continuing that issue.  WWF officials run out to stop Shamrock, but that just leads to many of them getting belly-to-belly suplexed.  All of this causes the initial decision to be reversed and as the Rock is carried out on a stretcher he hoists up the Intercontinental title in victory.  After hearing of the decision, Shamrock tosses the Rock off the stretcher and tosses him through the D-Generation X band’s equipment.  This was just a standard RAW match and the Dusty finishes in this feud hurt Shamrock’s heat because he never managed to win the title from the Rock.  Rating:  **

-Jim Ross tells the television audience that this has become the highest grossing event in the history of Boston, resulting in over $1,000,000 in ticket revenue.

-Dumpster Match for the WWF Tag Team Championship:  Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie beat The New Age Outlaws to win the titles at 10:02:

This is the first time I recall hearing the crowd echo the Road Dogg’s introduction for the Outlaws.  Terry Funk does not bother to wear the typical Chainsaw Charlie attire for this one.  The crowd is pretty subdued until Cactus pulls out a ladder and works up an “ECW” chant.  Gunn and Cactus take a crazy bump off the ladder into the dumpster and Funk takes a crazy bump from a spike powerbomb off the apron into the dumpster, but that does not end things as the battle goes backstage.  Cactus lays out both of the Outlaws on a forklift and Funk takes control of it and forces the Outlaws into a backstage dumpster to seemingly win the titles.  However, they did not use the official dumpster at ringside, so that might become a point of contention from the Outlaws by the next RAW.  Fun brawl, although the finish defied logic with the Outlaws just laying on the forklift and somehow being forced off of there by Funk’s driving.  Rating:  **½

-A video package hypes the Undertaker-Kane match.

-Pete Rose comes out and turns heel by running down the Boston Red Sox, which may go over the head of later viewers since the Red Sox have won three World Series since this event.  Rose is supposed to do guest ring announcing duties, but Kane Tombstone’s Rose to a huge reaction thereby starting a running WrestleMania gag.  Rose does a stretcher job and acts like he’s dead.  Now THIS is what a celebrity appearance is all about.

-The Undertaker defeats Kane (w/Paul Bearer) with three Tombstones at 16:58:

 So after SIX months of build we finally get this match between Kane and the only force in the WWF that can stop him:  his brother the Undertaker.  The Undertaker gets an awesome entrance with druids holding lighted torches along the aisle.  I know at the time of this match that some of my friends were looking forward to this match more than the Shawn Michaels-Steve Austin main event.  This is nowhere near a great technical encounter, but it is definitely a spectacle because of how well Kane has been built since his debut and the Undertaker’s zombie reputation.  Kane dominates most of the match, with a really long chinlock spot in the middle, but the Undertaker kicks out of a Tombstone and rallies as Bearer damns him at ringside.  However, it takes three Tombstones for the Undertaker to put Kane down for good.  I remember this match being much better than this, so it has not aged well, a fact not helped by these two fighting many more times after this.  Still, it had some nice storytelling with the Undertaker having to use everything in his arsenal to put Kane down for a three count and that is enough for me to give it another ½*.  Rating:  *½

-After the match, Bearer throws a chair into the ring and stomps on a fatigued Undertaker.  The Undertaker recovers to deck Bearer, but Kane smashes him with the chair and Tombstones him on it to show that this feud will continue.  The Undertaker sits up, though, as Kane and Bearer go to the backstage area.

-A sad black and white commercial that shows Gorilla Monsoon, Classie Freddie Blassie, and Killer Kowalski, all of whom have died by now, hypes the Attitude Era.

-A video package hypes the Shawn Michaels-Steve Austin main event.

-WWF Championship Match:  “Stone Cold” Steve Austin defeats “The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels (Champion w/D-Generation X) with a Stone Cold Stunner to win the title at 20:01:

Mike Tyson is greeted to a chorus of boos when he comes out to be the guest enforcer and he jaws with Austin after Austin makes his entrance.  As the readers of this review are aware, Michaels back was really messed up for this match and he had not wrestled since defending the title against the Undertaker at the Royal Rumble.  This would be his last match until SummerSlam 2002.  Triple H attacks Austin in the early going, so he and Chyna end up getting tossed from ringside.  If you read Michaels face during this match you can tell that he is in a lot of pain, but that does not stop him from incorporating his usual offensive arsenal like the flying forearm, kip up, and flying elbow or being tossed with reckless abandon over the top rope.  Attitude Era brawling by the DX band and by the timekeeper’s table also helps mask some of Michaels limitations.  Michaels opts to spend the match working the leg and Tyson turns a blind eye to his cheating, like holding the ropes during a figure-four spot.  The referee is bumped out of a sleeper spot, but when Austin catches Michaels with a Stunner after he blocks Sweet Chin Music, Tyson slides into the ring and counts the fall.  I wish we could have seen a healthy Michaels against Austin because that would have garnered a higher rating, but kudos to Michaels for fighting through his injury and doing the job.  Rating:  ***½ 

-After the match, Austin tosses Tyson an Austin 3:16 shirt and Tyson displays it for the audience.  Michaels gets up and interrogates Tyson about this shift of loyalties and that leads to Tyson knocking him out to pay off the angle.  Tyson then drapes Austin’s shirt over Michaels before walking to the backstage area with the new champion.

The Final Report Card:  This was a very good WrestleMania.  The two worst matches were at the top of the card and things picked up after that point.  The show had a lot of “WrestleMania moments” and more than most WrestleManias:  Austin winning the title, Sable getting in the ring and TKOing Luna, Pete Rose getting Tombstoned by Kane, and the Undertaker using three Tombstones to beat Kane.  The WWF’s intelligent booking also paid off with this show since the midcard matches generated more crowd reaction and, unlike WCW, they put the title cleanly on the guy that the fans wanted.  It also generated the highest WrestleMania buyrate since WrestleMania VIII in 1992 and reversed a five year decline in WrestleMania buyrates for the company.  I like to see the Michaels-Austin match as the passing of the torch from the New Generation to the Attitude Era and it is arguably one of the most important matches in the history of the company, on the level of Iron Sheik-Hulk Hogan in 1985.

Attendance:  19,028

Buyrate:  2.3 (+1.6 from previous year)


Show Evaluation:  Thumbs Up

Comments

  1. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 20, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

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  2. Well what did you expect?

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  3. When did Brock start to promote this?

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  4. It wasn't the perfect run and I never thought giving Hogan the belt was a good idea. However, it was a lot better for the WWE than Scott makes it sound. In that run we got a red-hot Rock/Hogan match at WM, Hogan tapped out to Kurt Angle, held the tag belts with Edge, and put over Brock Lesnar right before Summerslam. The positives outweigh the negatives.

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  5. So, how cone nobody is pissed that Batists didn't come back but instead we got Piitbull?

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  6. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 20, 2014 at 10:42 PM

    First high school in the 'burbs: about 1,800 students, maybe 10 were black.
    Second high school in the city: about 700, more than half were black.


    Man, what a difference a couple miles make. Of course, this was 15 years ago.

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  7. Since WWE kept the concussion diagnosis so close to the chest leading up to Raw, I have a feeling they're doing the same with Bryan's participation in the Rumble.

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  8. This reads like a bad translation of one of Scott's former columns.

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  9. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    You'd think Buffalo wouldn't be a racist city, being a liberal city in NY, but you'd be wrong. People just openly use the n-bomb like it's no thing, and there's even certain neighborhoods where if you're black and try to move there the locals will run you out of there with some KKK level harassment. It's pretty fucking embarrassing, really. Even the city itself is kind of segregated, the blacks have the East Side, the Hispanics and Asians have the West Side, the white trash have South Buffalo... and there's no deviation from that. You will never see a white guy on the East Side (unless he's there to score drugs) or a black guy in South Buffalo (again, unless he's trying to score drugs).

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  10. Bryan isnt winning the Rumble match...

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  11. This was a huge deal for me as it was the first WM to be shown on tv in New Zealand since VI (or maybe even V, come to think of it...). For most of the 90's I'd had to settle for reading the recaps in PWI or WWF Magazine and then waiting 2 or 3 months for the video to come out.

    Good show overall, particularly the main event. I despised Shawn then like no wrestler before or since, but it was simply impossible not to respect his incredibly gutsy performance in the teeth of what looks to have been truly indescribable pain.

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  12. Happy that I could enlighten you -- I just knew there'd be someone on the BOD that would benefit from reading my completely opinion-based view of the labor force of a small sliver of the central San Joaquin Valley population between 2000-2003 -- And, uh, good luck with whatever battle this is going to help you with...

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  13. I was fine with it as well (the Punk matches notwithstanding), but already one year later it's not aging very well.

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  14. Actually Orton is ratings poison and most likely drove away more viewers with that bullshit angle they did years ago where they had Orton "break" Batista's arm and effectively steal the championship from him like he did a week later.


    Same bullshit with the thing they are doing now; with Orton stealing the belt from Bryan with HHH and Steph's help by repeatedly fucking Danial Bryan over and over and over.

    No one gives a fuck about Orton and he's driving away viewers like toxic waste drives kids away from playgrounds. So I can give the assholes a break by having Batista's return break the fourth wall a bit if only because Batista is the member of Evolution everyone LIKED whereas Orton was the one everyone fucking hated, drove more fans away from the sport than Benoit's child murdering, and who STILL gets shoved down peoples throats even though no one gives a fuck about him and never did and that he's LONG SINCE been replaced in the grand scheme of things by CM Punk, to the point that more people accept Punk as Cena's mortal enemy that they ever did Orton.....

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  15. Nobody gets excuses. Except Rock.

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  16. Kofi sure looked glad to see John Cena run in and totally steal his thunder. The only way to salvage Kofi from here is if accepts a new role as John Cena's overenthusiastic side-kick and eventually Trouble in Paradise kicks him from out of nowhere, revealing that he's actually quite upset with Cena stealing his thunder on a routine basis.

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  17. There is an open possibility for this: if Cena promised Kofi a title match in exchange for turning the rematch into a setup. Bear in mind, it's not out of the question to imagine Kofi was as mad as the fans were at what Orton did.

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  18. "My #1 choice for fizzled return might be a bit controversial"


    I'll say. Rating Rock's 2013 return lower (higher?) than Warrior's 1998 run, has me thinking your on a bit of an acid trip. Also, aside from giving Punk his rematch AND defending against John Cena at Wrestlemania. He NEVER defended the title. Also I'm pretty sure you were an advoctate for saying "the E' should tell the internet fanboys that are complaining about seeing this match again after "Once in a lifetime" to go fuck themselves, and do the match anyways".


    Me personally, the thing about Rock's 2013 return that disappointed me was that he went all HHH in 2002 with his physique and it slowed him down immensely, compared to where he was in 2011-2012. Also all the Rock promos about John Cena had been spent already in the span of 2011-2012. There was nothing more interesting to say.


    The 2013 return in the top 5 fizzles is ok, but #1? I don't think so tim.

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  19. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    i know that's what they try to imply, but has he ever actually done or said anything that doesnt revolve around whether or not someone is in the US legally?

    no, so your argument is invalid

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  20. Actually, in his first promo he decried the people "with faces that don't look like mine". It's as close as you can get to racism in WWE. So there's that.

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  21. Meekin often speaks in riddles that leave me with more questions than answers -- Thanks for clearing this one up for me Vinny...

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  22. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:52 PM

    i read that 1st as "feces"


    but if that's the only allusion they made, then i still maintain that he character itself is not meant to be overtly racist. it got tweaked as time went on. shades of gray, baby!

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  23. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:54 PM

    Maybe he just meant clean-shaven people.

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  24. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    When you said controversial, I was guessing Jericho's "second coming", because that was a total failure. Now, what happened afterwards was great, but until he turned... bleh.

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  25. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:00 AM

    Took me an hour to get through this one, so by that metric, it was better than the recent shows. I am a little confused, like you, though, why they aren't hyping the Rumble more. I'm half expecting a Triple Threat match between Punk, Batista, and ADR at this point.

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  26. Still surprised they never recycled the Hogan/Orndorff angle....

    I know Its always remembered as Hogan vs some random big guy back in his day but he also had plenty of friends turn on him to set up angles too. You rarely see that sort of thing in the title picture anymore.

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  27. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:01 AM

    I would watch that, just because it's a fresh match.

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  28. I got Punk? That's not bad actually. He's got a story, he's entering #1, and he's Punk. I like my chances!

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  29. I wonder if PPVs will be on demand the day after they occur...

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  30. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    Well, as long as Batista doesn't show up until around #25. Honestly though, I think the Elimination Chamber might be the bigger match this year, they can stack the shit out of it. They could do Orton/Cena/Punk/Bryan/Lesnar/Show. It needs another heel, but then again maybe Sheamus turns and you shove him in there instead of Show.

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  31. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:06 AM

    Has there been any news about Sheamus coming back? People (me included) just assume he's returning at the rumble, but haven't heard anything about how he's doing with the injury.

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  32. Was going to say the same thing. Bray's got 2 helpers and he isn't as bulletproof as Bryan has proven to be.

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  33. Not sure who I borrowed it from here, but I responded to a retweet by Road Dogg on twitter that featured Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, Goldust, and Cody. I asked them when did Billy Gunn become Randy the Ram and Road Dogg was nice enough to respond "20 years ago".....

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  34. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:07 AM

    functionally, #'s 1 and 2 are no different from one another in the rumble. i know the whole "drew #1" thing sounds sexier, but c'mon, if anything, the #1 entrant has an advantage over #2 b/c he can attack him as he gets in the ring

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  35. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:07 AM

    He's doing a signing that weekend, so he's a pretty good bet.

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  36. Id bet money he will be in the Rumble, I hope he is a heel and doesnt win but Im guessing he will be a face. Maybe he gets to face Taker this year....

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  37. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    Plus you get to just stand there and chill while #2 does his entrance. I've always considered #1 and #2 equal.

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  38. Wasn't an all together bad episode of Raw. I was working on stuff while watching so I only half payed attention to the matches. The Bryan/Bray segment was real good. It worked as a follow up to their show closer last week. It almost feels too soon for their match though. It feels like it needs a few more weeks before their match but I guess they are striking while the iron is hot.

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  39. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:10 AM

    If they run Taker/Sheamus at WM they're fucking retarded.

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  40. They've always been like that with Orton. Even during that heel run in 2009 you mentioned. One week he's a badass, monster heel who is punting Vince and breaking Batista's arm, and the next he's running from Shane McMahon and being a coward.

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  41. Nah, you ain't anti-social (socially awkward maybe? But I don't know you so I'll only comment on what you've written here) -- Anti-social people don't socialize and share their opinions with others -- Posting on the BOD counts for socializing, such as it is -- And "fuck people" and "fuck the world"? yet you "feel comfortable with Mexicans about 95% of the time" and you don't sound adverse to having a conversation with Richard Sherman so what exactly are you really applying "across the board"?

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  42. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    Oh yeah, and I forgot, but Trips and Steph really have to stop alternating between heel and face depending on the wind direction.


    They had a guy brutally beaten weekly for months, they did 100 different things to Big Show, but don't you dare punch some old man. I guess it gets more heel heat on Orton, but it just feels cheap that they never go full heel.

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  43. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:14 AM

    I forget what part of the body he injured. Shoulder, maybe?

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  44. Their heel/face alignment is a lot like Manning's "Omaha" call.

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  45. Hey, Id be fine with it. Whoever is facing Taker is jobbing anyway, so not many I want in that spot...

    ...I know folks hate HHH, but he is the one that Bryan should be facing after all the burying he did...

    ...Batista/Brock is what I see going on top and I have no issue with it at all...

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  46. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:23 AM

    'I'm not racist but"



    which is the universal indicator that you are!!!


    : P

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  47. X-Pac's return to RAW did not lead to an immediate ratings victory. It took three shows post-WM XIV for RAW to finally end Nitro's 82-week ratings streak. Doesn't mean X-Pac's return promo wasn't good, though.

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  48. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:27 AM

    this is like that time peter pretended to be racist to get out of jury duty

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb5SOTPfvAc&t=0m30s

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  49. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    whether or not racism is alive and well or whether any of us has experienced/witnessed it, at least it's not as bad as vince getting indicted by the federal government

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  50. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:29 AM

    Yeah, something along those lines, we'll call it an upper body injury and he's day to day.

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  51. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:29 AM

    Oh, don't get me wrong, it would probably be a decent match, but there's no money there. If they announced that Sheamus was facing Taker fans would shit all over it. You'd be better off doing Taker/HHH III: Fuck It, Why Not?


    Anyway, my expected card for WM:
    Cena vs. Batista (WWE title, Cena and Batista both win Sunday)
    Brock/Taker
    Punk/HHH
    Orton/Bryan
    Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns
    Some Diva's title match
    Some IC title match


    That's 7, stick Big Show, Sheamus, and Mark Henry on there somewhere (hell, do a 3-man with them just for shits and giggles) and you're good to go. Tag title match is on the pre-show.

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  52. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:30 AM

    Hockey fan, I take it?

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  53. I'm being completely sincere here in asking you what the fuck? Please connect the dots for us...

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  54. They don't make shows like this anymore. It may not be the most stacked card match-for-match, but up and down the card you've got matches with build, interesting people, and a reason to care.


    Triple H and Owen had a reason to fight and that was just the European Championship match.


    An intercontinental championship match with a 3-month feud in place featuring a rising star and a hot babyface?


    Undertaker vs. Kane is one of the great builds(in my opinion) in a long time.


    You know the WWF is rolling when one of their marquee matches at their biggest show of the year is a mixed tag match. And a woman is the biggest star in the match.


    A tag title match with build and interesting teams? Nuts!


    And an honest-to-god, this is why you bought the PPV, main event. The top heel vs. the next megastar with Mike Tyson at ringside. And it delivered(to the best of their abilities. It featured two men who were damn near crippled. A ***1/2 match is a minor miracle). That is a show. Honestly when you look at the card it's the blueprint for a WrestleMania card.

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  55. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzz2n9xC8ps

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  56. It would actually be Taker/HHH IV but who is counting.....


    ...they should just pull the trigger on Reigns and let him end the streak. If they think he is the future, that win would legitimize more than anything else ever could...


    ...we've already seen Orton/Bryan enough, I think the money is in Bryan/HHH and I think HHH putting him over is a bigger deal than Orton...


    ...Id rather see Cena in some tag deal with Hogan than fighting for the title again..

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  57. That's one thing that really bothers me more than it should. It's been a peeve of mine for a while.

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  58. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJanuary 21, 2014 at 12:46 AM

    You're right, it would be Taker/HHH IV. If you think HHH is putting over Bryan you're insane. And I definitely don't want to see Hogan in a match.

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  59. I think this show is to our generation what the first Wrestlemania was to the older generation. No matches that really stand out as classics with 16 years of hindsight, yet in terms of being a well-booked show that paid off a bunch of storylines, 'sent the fans home happy' and kicked off a new era of the company, WM14 and WM1 both more than fit the bill.

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  60. THE HEARTLAND OF AMERICA! Sorry, I just immediately think of that because Dayton hosted the 1993 KOTR and I remember Vince's crazy voice for the intro package.

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  61. As a kid, I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Ahmed Johnson was going to be the first black WWF champion, but we know how that turned out.

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  62. It's where Lucy was attacked in Ring of Honor. Sorry, I've been watching ROH shows and I just finished that show where she got attacked a few days ago.

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  63. One of the only recent examples I can think of is Ryback and Cena, which followed that template.

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  64. Ill-conceived comparisons by her and by you -- (Been watching off and on since 1985, since you brought it up)...

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  65. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 2:00 AM

    Rock also worked a better match. Punk should have been bumping like a pinball for him, but I guess he would have blown up pretty fast working that style. I still contend the first match was a WCW-style dud. Second one was better. I hope that the first match wasn't actually laid out like the part-timers are want to do.

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  66. FFS. Really, a go-home Raw before the Rumble that doesn't end with a whole bunch of participants all brawling in the ring? That's always one of the more fun parts of a pre-rumble raw.

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  67. There are no excuses for the Cookie Puss promo. What a load of shit that was.

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  68. ARRRRGH THE BARBARIANJanuary 21, 2014 at 2:04 AM

    Yep, it served its purpose, the title run was stupid but the rest of it fit. It's not even that the title run was a bad idea as much as it was having Trips lose right off the bat. It was a mess, Rock wins but it goes nowhere for him, Hogan loses but gets a title shot, Jericho isn't even booked on the next PPV (and it takes months to blow off his Trips feud), etc.


    I'm guessing the Rock going off TV screwed up the booking though, so what are you left to do with face Hogan, if Rock was still around they could have done a tag or something and gotten around what they did.

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  69. My biggest issue with the opening segment is that Orton could have told the Authority that while they're chastising him for attacking Cena's dad, this is the exact behavior they DEMANDED from him not 4-5 months ago. Remember when HHH/Steph kept telling Orton they wanted "the old Viper" back, the vicious Randy Orton? His response then was to attack Miz's dad, and for that they praised him. Now attacking Cena's dad is frowned upon? (Not to mention Steph ordering attacks on Dusty Rhodes.) I know wrestling doesn't have to make sense, but ignoring big plot points like that is annoying.

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  70. So are the Outlaws just back wrestling full-time now, or what? Is this a short-term thing that will end after (presumably) they lose at the Rumble? I wonder if their return was something planned for a while, or just a response to the Outlaws getting a big reaction at the Slammys.

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  71. If you follow Tatanka on twitter, there's like a dozen people per day he retweets wanting him in the HOF. Lulz.

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  72. I just go with what decades of observation tells me is rational. That we're all just collections of electrochemical compounds that will break down after they cease to function, parts of which will eventually be reused in others.


    I'll be happy to rot when my time comes. This life is enough for me.

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  73. If he doesn't get in remember that he has Native American blood in his veins and he'll fight!

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  74. While I don't want to give the booking team too much credit here given their recent missteps and fuck-ups, going into 'Mania season the top of the card is stacked with a good number of people that fans will buy as champion, all who seem to want the belt. Brock and Batista coming back because they "want the title" is a great way to bring the title back to the forefront, something a lot of us have been clamoring for for a long while. Meanwhile, the tag titles are also starting to mean something as the division isn't a complete shitshow anymore.



    Honestly, it's feeling a bit Crockett-ish now, with all these challengers cutting promos about coming to get the title. There are still problems, of course—I'd love to see HHH/Stephanie step completely away from angles unless to serve as Jack Tunney-type figureheads—but it's interesting to me that I'm not sure what matches are happening at Wrestlemania. Hell, I'm not even sure who's winning the Royal Rumble. And I'm pretty happy about that.

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  75. Yeah, I was expecting that kind of finish over Orton just jumping into some random guy's car. I bet that freaked the driver out to have a man in his underwear on a cold winter day just hop into his vehicle.

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  76. That's a good point, but I would add that they need to give guys more damn promo time on the show. Why did Kofi not get to cut a promo backstage with Renee? Why not give us a few promos from guys in the Rumble. It seems like, in general, the Rumble has taken a backseat this year in the hype and that's weird.

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  77. yeah, it was a bit weird that only Punk got a Rumble angle. And you'd think that given a three-hour show they could have fit some promos in there. Maybe they'll do it for Smackdown? Still odd though.

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  78. Here's hoping for a "few words from the participants" segment on Sunday.

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  79. Or just be a greedy Indian that can be bought off by Ted DiBiase.

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  80. The only topic I won't touch, even on the internet with strangers.

    Go back into your "retirement" already.

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  81. Bryan isn't even in the Rumble match...

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  82. It looks pretty clear that none of the guys with matches on the regular card will participate in the Rumble (Cody / Goldust / NAO get a pass since they're on the pre-show). So, no Cena, Orton, Brock, Big Show, Bray, or Daniel.

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  83. You can just sense from everyone involved--announcers, commentators, wrestlers, interviewers--that everyone was going for it with this show.

    Contrast that with the year prior where I swear to god the show not only seems but actually LOOKS dark and depressing, and there are heavy, heavy tones of "let's make the best of what we have and hang on as WCW pounds us."

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  84. About HHH/Steph, I remember how Raw GM Eric Bischoff was pretty much half heel/half face also. I find the characters more complex than the traditional heel authority figure, as they are respectful and play nice... As long as they get what they want. If something doesn't go their way, THEN they show their true colors. I find that more intriguing than someone who does everything they can to get booed at all times.

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  85. By the way, I'm not sure that it's ever been mentioned, but it looks like they're going with 90 second intervals for the Rumble this year.


    http://www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/2014/royal-rumble-match-26171285

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  86. If Batista can't grow hair on his head anymore, he at least needs some facial hair. He just looks ... weird completely bald and clean-shaven. He reminds me of some skinhead henchmen from a bad movie right now.

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  87. I watched the opening segment because I wanted to see the big return of Batista. The segment went on for 20 minutes, 15 of which consisted of HHH, Stephanie and Randy Orton arguing. I know Orton is a heel but what the hell is with the "Authority", are they not heels because they seem to be feuding with a heel who they actually hand picked to the champion. It didn't make any sense to me. They target this to kids right? I guess they must figure kids don't remember what happened a month or two ago. But how is any of this supposed to interest kids?
    Anyways, Batista finally comes out poses in all the corners says he's back for the title and then leaves. I was a bit underwhelmed and turned the show off. I have no interest in seeing HHH on TV anymore and I'm also not a huge fan of Randy Orton. I think wrestling has passed me by. In the first segment no one touched each other, not one punch was thrown, not one kick, no contact at all. I've been watching less and less over the past few months and I don't see that changing any time soon.

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  88. THREADJACK!~

    It's a little known fact that Ultimate Warrior carried Phil Collins to a three star match in 1990.

    http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2013/07/30_OTM_WARRIOR_08211990_0040.jpg

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  89. The reason that America failed to win the Korean War was because TRUMAN was too much of a PUSSY WIMP to let MACARTHUR go in there and blow out those COMMIE BASTARDS!

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  90. The 1st one that comes to my mind is Jericho and Chyna (and Jarrett?) being in the 2000 Royal Rumble after being in an Intercontinental title match earlier in the show. And I'm sure it's happened many times before. But yeah, it doesn't bode well for Bryan actually winning the Rumble.

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  91. Haha, yes!! And Hulk Hogan lost the world title there against an evil foreign heel... Which made Bret's "I don't wanna lose in Canada" thing seem WEAK...

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  92. I was raised Catholic and confirmed but my family rarely went to church and neither did I to be honest.


    Personally, I do not believe in organized religion. I made that decision as an adult. However, that does not give me any right to knock those who do. Some people need a crutch to get through the day and for many, all the have is religion.

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  93. There have been rumors that he has had a few setbacks in his recovery. I still think that he will be a surprise Rumble entrant

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  94. I'm glad there was no contact at all in the first segment, and I even think they made a mistake by having Batista attack Del Rio later on. There will be plenty of time for that, I wish they had saved it for the Rumble. Sometimes less is more.

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  95. I'd go as far as to say that the majority of American adults are agnostic/atheist, though only a small fraction of them would ever admit it.

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  96. Good answer...good answer.

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  97. Random stuff from RAW:
    1. Brock's new catchphrase actually works pretty well with his Jimmy John's endorsement.
    2. Bad News Barrett needs a girlfriend for him to mistreat and help get his heel character over. It could be a good way to bring Emma or Paige over from NXT.
    3. It seems like on RAW they've been cutting entrances short on TV more often lately. They even did it to HHH and Bryan this week. Maybe it's just another way to promote the WWE app in their eyes, but you'd think with 3 hours to fill every Monday, full entrances would help ease the writing burden by a few minutes.
    4. Bray referring to the Wyatts as "the reapers" over the past couple of weeks makes me think maybe they are really setting up an Undertaker-Bryan feud for WrestleMania. The continuity actually works if Taker is the man behind the scenes for the Wyatts, because it explains why they initially targeted Kane and went after CM Punk. But is WWE really going to make Taker a heel?

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  98. I'm a big fan of both Punk and Bryan, but something about Bryan - his public attitude, his "likeability", maybe even his look - makes it seem like he has more potential to be a breakthrough star than Punk. Punk's year+ on top did not spark another boom period, but people wonder if Bryan could. Hence the feeling of urgency to give Bryan a proper push before crowds cool off on him or he gets Lugered.

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  99. This emailer watches wrestling wrong

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  100. Off the top of my head we can go earlier than that: RR '94.
    Bret and Owen fought for the tag titles early in the show, Bret picked up a leg injury, Owen "kicked his leg from beneath his leg" and Bret went onto to (joint) win the thing.

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  101. Lucy = Daffney, right?

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  102. "Wrestling fans" don't think Bryan is being buried. Smarks think Bryan is being buried. There is a difference.

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  103. I wanted to bitch about the face/heel confusion from the Authority, but I actually like it. As long as things are going relatively smoothly and they can manipulate things however they want, they're happy. It's actually more buyable than "all bad all the time" authority angles which nobody has done correctly since Vince anyhow.

    And Orton is starting to suffer from bad writing. I know most of you hate the guy, but I don't - although I'm a little tired of his direction and motivation changing weekly.

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  104. RULE #1: HHH and Steph are ALWAYS right.


    RULE #2-infinity: See Rule #1.

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  105. Please give up on the Wyatt's already

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  106. I know i suggested this but seeing it in print is a little heavy handed. Love the effort to meekin

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  107. Cena/Wyatt, eh? I can get behind that provided it doesn't end up derailing Bray, who is clearly the biggest winner in the Bryan feud, and could be set up as a tippy top heel with the right follow through.

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  108. I've written this before, but this show is such an amazing contrast with the Starrcade card from three months earlier, both in terms of booking and general quality. You can pinpoint the reason why WWF surpassed WCW in 1998 to those two shows.

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  109. Bischoff, other than his little "vacation" phase around 2004? (Whichever SurSer had Evolution/Jericho and Friends for the "GM for a month" award) was damn near 100% heel. He might do one or two little "nice" things, but even then they usually led to not-so-nice things.

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  110. Why in the hell would they do that? Bray is starting to heat up big time with the Bryan feud.

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  111. So now they are going to bury Cena?

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  112. You really need something other than that creepy egg shaped thing as your twitter avatar. Maybe a pic of HHH standing on Bryan's neck or something.

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  113. I said it in the live thread... If there could have had even just 1% of a chance that Randy would snap and RKO Steph's whiny ass, that segment would have been interesting.


    But Randy's been damn near fully neutered, and beating Plant Cena Sr. means jack and shit, except to help pull him down further.

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  114. I do remember him often making popular decisions when it comes to matches (like accepting a Ladder match for Christian/Jericho), showing lots of pride for his brand during the Raw/Smackdown rivalry, and making it clear that he would give special treatment to 100% face HBK for example. He was a heel at heart, but only when he really needed to be.

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  115. 1975 World Series-Carlton Fisk homers (Barely) to force a Game 7......which Pete Rose's Reds go on to win, so heel heat was justified there

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  116. How is the video/audio quality on the RF shoots now? I haven't bought one since the first Bobby Heenan or Dusty Rhodes shoot. In the past, it was really spotty.

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  117. Raised by non-religious parents, so I don't have an inkling of it in me. I have friends who identify as atheist and actively try to put down religion. I identify as not-giving-a-shit and don't really spend any time thinking about it either way.

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  118. Haven't enjoyed anything he has done

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  119. I blame Booker T

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  120. DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT?????????????????????

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv_E8eBbaOs

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  121. I think the rumble sells itself so they are putting all the "creative" into other storylines. But considering that we only have 1 important belt they really are missing a chance to make everyone look ready to kill each other for a shot at it. But since Cena can get unlimited title shots because CENA I guess that is a story that no one would buy anyway.

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  122. I was staying away from this until you said the above...I agree. I think that if you were to give truth serum to every adult in America, they would tell you that they probably believe in something, but it isn't what they've ben taught.

    I'm leaving again now.

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  123. Since Wrestlemania, ( and i'm not counting money in the bank since that is a multi-man match) Punk has lost against Brock in a very tight match and was pinned by Heyman in something more of an angle than a proper match. He's been extremely dominant generally, and beat the Shield 3 on 1 as well. I'd say Punk is one of the more protected names on the rooster at the moment.
    Bryan hasn't exactly been pinned loads either. He lost against Orton unfairly, and lost the 3 on 1 match against the Wyatt's. Can't think of any other major matches he lost since Summerslam.

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  124. Daymond John is on TV, and Big Granddaddy Cool isn't

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  125. First line, agreed.

    Second line, disagreed.

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  126. And that means they should give up? They can go a million different directions with the guy.

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  127. My issue with Bray is that he was built up as this guy that had this super innovative in ring style that was very different than anything we had seen (paraphrasing Cole) and when he comes out, he's basically wrestling a big guy/brawling style like everyone else his size.

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  128. We need to let it play out to see where it goes.

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  129. They are a lot better now in terms of both, especially audio which was bad at the beginning.

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  130. Excellent choice.

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  131. I guess that means Bray beats Bryan at the Rumble. Unless they do the 'Passing out in the Yes Lock with a smile on his face' ending, ripping off the Raven/Benoit match.

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  132. The gimmick could use some tweaking, sure, but it's still overall a great one. Bray's good all around, Rowan is fine in his role as big, weird looking, silent guy, and Harper is especially fantastic at acting like a cult goon/lunatic with his facial expressions and mannerisms.

    Pushing them further up the card in their current state isn't what I'd do, but there's no way I'd push them down the card.

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  133. That's good. It would drive me crazy to pay $20 for something that would seem like a copy of a copy of something they previously copied.

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  134. The character is good but the fact that they are doing everything they can to keep him out of the ring doesnt exactly scream they have a lot of confidence in the guy.

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  135. That's not a bad idea in my eyes.

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  136. HHH/Orton screwjob: NOT a burial, just one night too soon IMO.
    Bryan/Orton: NOT a burial, just the wrong finish.
    YES! Show: Ugh, but again NOT a burial.
    Daniel Wyatt: BLARGH!, almost a burial, but recovered nicely with the hotshot abortion.


    But when you add them all up, plus the stuff that had already happened, the picture isn't pretty. It's a case of A + B + C + D = 4, 10, or 1000... depending on how much you trust the key players (Vince, Hunter, Steph, Creative).

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  137. And I just got the creepiest case of deja vu, like we'd already had this exact argument. Scary.

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  138. He's got that 'aw shucks,' wide-eyed smile down pat. It's very endearing. Then you remember how great he is at kicking people's faces off and you like him even more.


    Punk is the funny dude you'd like to shoot the shit with and make fun of people you both hate together. Bryan's the good-natured kind of guy you'd want as a best bud and would totally help you move.

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  139. I don't know about that. You may be right, but it plays well intp his character. Why get your own hands dirty when you have minions?

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  140. Hell no. I'd even have Wyatt, while "fighting" the pain, tell the other two to STAY OUT.

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  141. Assuming the Magnus rumors are true, how sad is it to be the arrogant champ of a wrestling company that nobody watches. It's annoying when Shawn Michaels was the arrogant guy, but he headlined cards that drew big money. Magnus literally headlined at a middle school that didn't sell out.

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  142. You're just trolling me now, trying to get a rise out me with your punctuation failures.

    It's not going to work!

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  143. He is a great character but if you cant deliver in a match, its going to be tough to stay over in the long run.

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  144. Bray remains undefeated as a singles wrestler. I'm guessing the Bryan match will be him 'coming out' a little to see what he can do.
    I don't think it's a bad idea to keep his ring time limited for now. Let him get over with his promo's, which he is doing and is his strong suit.

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  145. The fact that you posted this means it did work... seriously I noticed it after I did it, but left it there to irritate you because of some dumb shit you said in the QOTD thread.

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  146. Magnus us just arrogant and disrespectful because he knows he has done more for the world as a Power Ranger than a wrestler.

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  147. That Keirn shoot looks rather interesting. Bret's a good choice for 1992 WWF.

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  148. The Orton I liked best was insane snappy Orton. I also think it suits him best. I say they should turn him back into that guy. Face? Heel? Doesn't matter. RKO's for anyone should Randy lose it.

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  149. "What are your thoughts on the 1992 Royal Rumble, Bret?"
    "I don't know. I wasn't in it."

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  150. Not all religious people are going to bite you know.

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  151. Suffering from that 104 degree temperature!

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  152. No, it's a case of you not knowing what a burial is. Being in the main event angle week after week isn't a burial. Simple as that.

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  153. Punk is a tippy top guy now, and is almost certain to stay that way for the rest of his career. DBry is still not _quite_ there, and people are still excited to see him get there, and disappointed when it seems like he may not. As well, even as a made man Punk is now clearly not going to be a mainstream superstar, and Bryan still has that potential which is exciting to see play out.


    Plus, Bryan appeals to a broader fanbase I would expect.



    PLUS was the emailer not on the internet from 2006-2012 when all we did was talk about Punk?

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  154. You just need an updated Google translate.

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  155. Atheist since before I knew that the term for it was Atheist. But I respect religion, when it is practiced respectfully.


    I don't like people who push their beliefs on others, and that includes militant Aethiests. Faith is a personal and private matter.

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  156. You're telling me, if Creative had kept going with Daniel Wyatt up until Wrestlemania, that Bryan would NOT have lost a fair amount of his heat/pop?


    Because I call bullshit on that.


    (Yes, this isn't similar. Just an example) By your logic, Chris Jericho wasn't buried before/during/after WM18 because he was in the main event angle every week. Despite being the champ, and relegated to 4th most important living being in the angle.

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  157. Just because he's not face down in the center of the ring with (figuratively) his opponent's flag planted on top of his carcass every night, that doesn't mean he's "winning" either.

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  158. I'm just gonna repost on this subject: met Jimmy hart yesterday at a random clearwater bar. Talked to him for like 20 minutes. Asked if he was dialed into current wwe booking. After he talked about legends house for awhile he claimed he heard D Bryan has been scheduled to win the Rumble. Take that for what it's worth

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  159. Instead of unifying the 2 world titles last December, WWE should have created 8 more world titles. Then everyone could be champion at the same time, and nobody would be buried (Except Zack Ryder of course. No soup for him!!)

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  160. He was eating a sandwich and some terrible looking soup

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  161. Yep. Seriously, John Cena had more clean 1 on 1 losses than Bryan in 2013.

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  162. You have no idea if I'm one of those religious people or not.

    Religion discussions always start out well intended and thoughtful and then deteriorate into "No God!" "God!" (Insert shoddy "proof" you found on Facebook to support your side) arguments.

    Religious arguments, race arguments, political arguments - all for faux intellectuals and people who want to seem more interesting than they really are.

    It isn't my beliefs that keep me from these discussions... it is the fact that every one is exactly the same, and if you've had it once, there is zero need to have it ever again.

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  163. Would have preferred him doing 1993 or 1994 but Luger and Waltman did alright. I just he's not all bitter and shitting on Flair, Warrior, etc.

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  164. It was never the idea to have it go to wrestlemania. Nor was it a "heel turn" for Bryan. Just because things don't go the way you want doesn't mean people are being buried, and that's the issue here. They aren't booking how you want so people are "buried".

    You want buried go see zach Ryder jtg or even the miz. You want to book, get a job with them.

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  165. That's really cool. I never bump into wrestling personalities. Jimmy seems like a good guy to talk to.

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  166. Stranger in the AlpsJanuary 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM

    I'm originally from eastern Canada, and a predominantly Catholic town. Nuns as teachers, marching the class over to mass every first Friday of the month (the church was across the street from school). That was the only church time I saw, because my family was not practicing. But at the same time, I believed there was a Heaven, adn you got there by being good. Years later, I meet my wife, and she's from Texas. You know about Texas, right? Right-wing conservative Christians. My wife is from that mold, but a little more forgiving of those that are not. Not so much her parents. We had to explain to them that we met in a Christian-themed chat room, when we actually met in an adult-themed chat room. So already, our relationship is based on lies. Through the years, I learn more and more about what it means to be truly Christian, and the one aspect of it that blows me away is that no matter how good of a person you are, no matter how much you go out of your way to help others, it don't mean shit if you don't believe in Jesus Christ the Saviour. I have come to terms with who I am, and that is a foul-mouthed, self-absorbed piece of garbage who only cares about what's happening in his own backyard. Granted, I'm there to help my family and friends, but if you're not on that list, go to hell. Needless to say, I'm not going to Heaven, and I will take my chances here on Earth, where I know what is real, and what is fantasy.

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  167. Good call. You are making perfect sense. The company is loaded with talent top to bottom, RAW is highly watchable, and this is the best year in company history

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  168. That was a well thought out post, you made good points.

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  169. 1992 Bret timeline should be good, hopefully he isn't in a 1991 Windham timeline mood and phones it in.

    And, from watching Cornettes Breaking Kayfabe, Sean made it sound like they were getting ready to shoot 1989 NWA timeline right after they were done *wishful thinking*

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  170. Those hindsight covered glasses are so damn nice to have, aren't they.

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  171. Yea the watermelon jollyranchers are awesome as are the cherry ones

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  172. This observation is right on the money. I was 10 years-old for the first Wrestlemania and was 23 (and in attendance) for WM XIV...and you're right, both of those cards felt like the start of something new. XIV felt like a re-birth for the company after the dark years following WM IX, although that might just be my personal experience, having dropped out after the Hogan fiasco to end IX and came back into the fold shortly before this one.

    The next night's Raw drove the whole "re-birth" point home, with HHH taking over D-X, the Outlaws officially joining as full-time members, and Waltman's return promo. That felt like the first significant shot back across the bow at WCW. If I'm not mistaken, that Raw also kicked off the intro vignettes for Val Venis and Edge, too. Great time to be a fan.

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  173. Yeah....after 200+ years (one out of 44....and hes getting hated on at every turn)

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  174. I think they might be going the Piper/Hayes route with him he is the one people want to see get beaten he is the voice the agitator he gets killed to often you could risk what they have built so far. Yeah he got his ass handed to in the cage but that was a hot shot because no one wanted to boo Bryan but I think that won't happen often if they keep building him right.

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  175. I thought we had gotten away from the automatic WM9 is the worst ever. With Tatanka vs HBK, Luger vs Perfect, and especially Headshrinkers vs Steiners all 3 to 4 stars. Throw in the cool atmosphere and the novelty of Macho, Brain, Ross, and Vince all on the announce team it was a fun show until the end. It is in a way a lot like WM27 with a bunch of pretty good matches, an awesome stage, and the novelty of The Rock hosting (which didnt come off as well as it could of course). These to me are both meh WMs at wors but not nearly as bad as 2 or 11.

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  176. I've never enjoyed a minute of Punk's work. Doesn't mean no one else has.

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  177. You mean to tell me you never enjoyed any of the Punk vs. Cena matches?

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  178. Sarcasm, the intellectually weak way of making a point. Good job.

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  179. Hard to say Punk was "buried" when he got high-profile matches with The Rock, Undertaker and Brock Lesnar all in ONE year. Those are the three main part timers that anyone on the roster would be grateful to work with, and Punk got two main events with Rock, a streak match with Taker and a hugely built Summerslam main event (or rather, one half of a double main event) with Brock Lesnar. Sure, he lost all four, but that's almost beside the point. (In truth, the only one of those four matches that would have made sense for him to win is his match with Lesnar at SS, but I'll take Lesnar winning over him. Punk didn't need a win over Lesnar to come out victorious in his feud with Paul Heyman in the end, and in the meanwhile, Lesnar defeating Punk gets an extra victory on his record... win/win scenario in my books.)

    This stuff with Kane and the NAO is just the beginning stages of building up to a match with either Orton (or most likely) Triple H at Mania. It's sill pretty early.

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  180. If I would have said the same thing about someone you dislike you wouldn't have a problem with it, even if I countered with "They can go a million different directions with the guy."

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  181. Punk got one of the longest title reigns in history, and he's making the big boy money he always wanted. We won't be hearing another peep out of him as far as how he's being booked.

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  182. Hope you didn't just jinx that.

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  183. Problem is, anyone who gets brainwashed by the Wyatts now is going to look like a giant dumbass because the first person they tried to do it to tricked the shit out of them. Whoops!

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  184. That doesn't even make any sense as a response to what I said. You have issues man.

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  185. Wait a minute: Vince McMahon dropped an N-bomb on live PPV in front of Booker T? When did that happen?

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  186. I don't take it that seriously. Clearly, you do.

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  187. I'm surprise no one brings up this paradox, Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sins, that would include the sins of those who don't believe. Technically, wouldn't that mean everyone is saved?

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  188. Bret: "No-one had tears in their eyes so I don't remember"
    "But Flair had a tear in his eye after winning the title, he said so in his promo"
    Bret: "But I didn't give him those tears :("

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  189. Paul, you never heard of Veggie Tales?

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  190. Your_Favourite_LoserJanuary 21, 2014 at 8:12 AM

    i was mocking her...

    *whoosh*

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  191. As Scott said, Punk's already made - between the "Pipebomb" promo and the original (well, "original" after the Cena/New Nexus stuff) angle/match with Cena absolutely put him over the top, where the fans buy him going toe-to-toe with anyone and being able to overcome big odds.

    Bryan, on the other hand, hasn't shown an ability to overcome big odds (namely, Trips and "The Authority"), and he hasn't had that one big win that really cemented him as a tippy-top guy that can beat anyone. Which is absolutely RIDICULOUS, since he beat John friggin' Cena clean-as-a-sheet at the second-biggest PPV of the year! The problem is that there was NO follow-up, as the win was completely glossed over and the focus was put on how often Bryan lost or failed.

    I really think that he should have "overcome the odds" at HIAC, being able to outsmart both Trips and Shawn on his way to a big, decisive win. Bryan, luckily, is still massively over, so they have another shot with him, but they really ran the risk of killing some of his heat with that decision. Fans don't cheer for choke-artists.

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  192. Magnus was a power ranger?

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  193. Yeah, I get that but it's a non sequitur and...aw, never mind -- Let's forget I even said anything...

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