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Brock v Taker - UFC to WM

Hey Scott;

Why do you suppose it is that in the build for Brock/Taker there's been no mention of the brief encounter between the 2 after Brock's loss at UFC 121?

I understand that the footage isn't their's to use (though I just listened to an interview with Ariel where he said he'd happily open that door for them) but I mean not even a mention by Heyman or have Cole at least bring it up.

Whether you think it was legit or a work, it would still give the feud a feel of realism since it took place outside the WWE umbrella and could show that this has been building for a long time.

My only thought is that they don't like it as it shows UT out of character and even if they don't use the footage, they don't want people going and looking for it on YouTube.  But that seems like a small issue to potentially add to what has been a pretty boring build.

Thoughts?

I think that out of all the issues with the feud and buildup, that is the least of them.  For instance, what exactly was the point of Brock v. Big Show at Royal Rumble?  Show just came back like nothing happened and it was never mentioned again.  

Comments

  1. Probably doesn't help that Brock lost that fight to Velasquez, and they wouldn't want to mention that the unstoppable Brock got punched out to the point of facial swelling.

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  2. The point was showing that a HHH beatdown is more harmful than Brock Lesnar hitting you with a chair 25 times.

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  3. He walked into a changing stage piece.

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  4. I can never get that much into the Bret match. The Bulldog match is fun, but if he wasn't my favorite, I'd prob not be as into it.

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  5. Yeah it drives me crazy to see all these documentaries where HHH and HBK take credit for the Attitude era. DX would've never happened if Steve Austin didn't kick down the door in 1996.

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  6. 2012 got stuck with ryback at the end and IMO the Jericho matches were just a bit short of 4 stars.

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  7. "despite the fact that the NWA had a longer history and more prestige (well, as far as prestige goes in a fake sport)."

    And arguably better talent from an in-ring standpoint, too. I mean, Starrcade 83 or 84 are probably better "wrestling" shows than WrestleMania, but WrestleMania had more glitz, glamor and celebrities.

    WrestleMania I is not a great wrestling show by any means, but it sure was promoted like the greatest event in wrestling history. In a way, that's exactly why there's still a WrestleMania every year and there hasn't been a Starrcade since 2000.

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  8. The WM match with Jericho ends up being really awesome and they get the crowd into it. The street fight is fun, if a little too long.

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  9. The beware of dog one wasn't as great but I thought the kotr was insane. Fwiw I think meltzer gave it 4.5 stars.

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  10. Do they really claim business was booming in '96 anymore? The last few things I've seen have basically gone with "well, the nWo happened at the same time and at least Shawn kept us afloat."

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  11. Most of the best HHH moments weren't at Wrestlemanias. 19 was supposed to be his big moment, but it fell completely flat after Hogan and Rock drained every single last bit of energy out of the crowd.

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  12. Agree, but his matches with Ziggler, Daniel Bryan and Cena were money. I wouldn't rank him above 1996 HBK in ring wise but Punk's 2012 should go down as one of the great runs ever.

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  13. It's a shame Bill Buckner couldn't bend over to get those tickets Rose dropped on the floor.

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  14. Because he proved white superiority?

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  15. Yeah, Hitler would've adored that one.

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  16. I think you mean 18.

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  17. Just wait until Hitler sees HHH at Summerslam and Armageddon.

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  18. Wouldn't Hitler mistaken HHH for a certain group of people?

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  19. Yep. They needed Mr. T and Cyndi Lauper around to get that mainstream buzz, they were absolutely vital to Vince's bet on WrestleMania paying off.

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  20. Ah, the unfortunate proboscis versus how incredibly well-conditioned and blonde Hunter's hair was in 2003...

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  21. Someone brought this up but WHY HAVING THEY MENTIONED UT HAS NEVER BEAT BROCK?! That's such an easy selling point

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  22. He did have great locks.

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  23. What about WCW's Final Solution?

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  24. "what exactly was the point of Brock v. Big Show at Royal Rumble?"

    Umm... To put Brock over?? Does Show need to be on the shelf for 6 months for it to mean something?

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  25. Oh yeah. I remember the little animated graphic he had back then, when JR was setting up the next match? His hair was flowing like a river, lol.

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  26. I'm gutted at how they've 'built' this. It's so, so lazy. I knew they'd do it, too.


    YOU HAD THE STORY THERE - USE IT.


    There's ways in which you can make it wrestling-ified. Taker was going to 'pass the torch' to Lesnar, but Lesnar took his ball and went home.


    "My client BO-ROCK, LESNAR, did not want to accept the passing of a torch... Brock SNATCHED that torch from the cold hands of the dead man, went home, and placed it alongside his countless other accolades upon his mantle piece.


    And now, he wants to finalise his collection by taking the biggest prize of them all... GREATER than said torch, GREATER STILL than the UFC World Title... Hell, it might even be bigger than the WWE World Heavyweight Title... The streak will be property of BO-ROCK... LESNAR... And just like 12 years ago, Undertaker - there's NOTHING you can do about it"


    EASY

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  27. I don't think they've acknowledged Brock's first run since he came back. Also, I think it would make them, especially Undertaker, look OLD. That happened 12 years ago.


    That would be like the WWF referencing WrestleMania 2 in the buildup to WrestleMania 14...it's just ancient history at this point.

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  28. I miss Chris Kreski as booker :(

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  29. For a match that was apparently set well in advance, it feels like they've booked Taker/Brock on a napkin.

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  30. I've never understood the UFC ideas appeal.

    "Five years ago they bumped into each other at an event we can't use footage of! After one of them got their ass kicked! They do not make tables large enough to contain the bountiful amounts of money this idea would draw!"

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  31. Can't really use the "most profitable" argument, IMO. WWE had Rock, Austin, Undertaker, Foley, HHH, and Angle at the top in 2000, and HHH was only champion for about half the year. Michaels didn't have a megastar like Steve Austin or The Rock to work with in '96.

    At best you can just say they're two different eras.

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  32. One of the great underrated WCW farkups, haha...imagining Bischoff sitting in his office going "the Holo-what?" as some panicked corporate VP yelled at him about the problem is priceless.

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  33. A small part of me wants Brock to shoot.

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  34. Many pre-Crisis events such as this and HHH vs Taker at X7 were struck from continuity when the WWE Universe was struck by the Flashpoint PG reboot in suburban Atlanta in June 2007. The timeline still hasn't corrected itself leading to things like Hornswoggle as GM.

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  35. Austin Hart > any other match ever.

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  36. And then do some segment with Paul at Brock's house standing in front of said mantle piece, talking about his accomplishments, and then stating how he has made space for the most important accolade of them all, and have an urn in the middle of it, or something. Then show Brock doing something horrifically dark/freaky strong in the yard (breaking trees with his bare hands or something, including predatory screams).

    A classic blend of wrestling, based on reality.

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  37. Given that UT's been kicking Brock's ass for weeks now, I would vote a resounding yes.

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  38. WWE: The company that hires more writers than ever and still manages to tell fewer stories.

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  39. Wouldn't have made way more sense for them to keep the Big Show off the air and have him make a WM return to win the trophy they are going to give him anyway?

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  40. This is the problem.


    They're paying these writers fuck knows how much, so they have to justify that kind of pay by making them write a story (although I seriously question that at times) when there's ONE ALREADY WRITTEN.

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  41. And almost every single match of his on Raw that year. Seriously, he was having non title matches with Marty Jannetty, Owen, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley that would damn well near hit ****. He also took Goldust to near **** on Raw, and nobody was having good matches with him back then.

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  42. Interesting that at least 7 of the wrestlers from WM 4 are scheduled for WM30 whereas NONE of the wrestlers from WM 2 wrestled at WM 14.

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  43. I know it's no technical masterpiece -- and both guys had much better matches -- but Hogan/Rock remains my all-time favorite match simply because of the atmosphere. There's no other wrestling match that has that kind of crowd reaction. I don't think we'll ever see two wrestlers so well known by mainstream audiences have a match like that again -- pretty much every non-wrestling fan still knows who Hogan and Rock are. It's everything WWE wanted Rock/Cena to be (both of them), yet it can't be replicated.

    Well, except for Hogan/Rock II, but the less said about that, the better.

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  44. I watched it last night and loved it.. not commenting on the match, but on the way the WWE Network kisses Vince's ass, I'm surprised that wasn't #1. (and I know he's the boss.. yada yada yada)

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  45. Brock came out to challenge the WWE Champion for Wrestlemania. He couldn't get that match. Luckily Undertaker, who hasn't been around in a year, just happened to be in the building, in his full costume and wrestling gear, and happened to hear Brock making challenges for Wrestlemania. This upset Undertaker, because Wrestlemania is his playground, so he decided to walk out to the ring and confront Brock since he happened to be in the building and when he got to the ring he realized there was an open contract with Brock's name on it. What luck! So he choke-slammed him through a table and signed his own name on the contract for Wrestlemania. That and demons, fire, legacy, hell, gates of hell, streak, legends, etc, etc, point at the sign!


    It's brilliant story-telling.

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  46. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    He wasn't champ in 1995, Nash was.

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  47. I hope someone sits on that trophy.


    Million to one shot, doc, million to one.

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  48. Ah yes, I meant 1996.

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  49. Or that the Undertaker was chilling out at a UFC event when he was supposed to be slaying dragons at the gates of hell.

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  50. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    I wouldn't call #2 and #8 **** matches, and I don't even remember #5.

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  51. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    I don't think it mattered who was champ in 1996 given what was going on in WCW, and ECW pinching off a small group of WWF fans. Would business had been any better with Bret or Taker (the only other 2 reasonable options) on top? I doubt it.

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  52. I didn't see the Vader match but isn't that the one where HBK loses it and yells at Vader?

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  53. The saddest thing about the wwe is as they've put together a great roster and focused more on longer matches is they've absolutely stopped putting any effort into booking feuds. The level of booking over the last 3 years or so is almost pathetic.

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  54. This might be the best thing I've ever read on the blog.

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  55. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Yeah, and the Bulldog one is the match where he just ignores the chinlock he's in because his pissed at some broad in the crowd.

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  56. Yup, its subtle but it happens

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  57. Why again didn't they got Cena/Taker?

    1) they need to have that huge Cena/Bray payoff match?

    2) they need to let UT live out his mid life crisis by letting him play MMA fight?

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  58. WWE just loves to waste Brock's dates it seems. And they wasted THREE of his matches against Triple H.


    Triple H!


    He got three matches, while everyone else got one.

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  59. It was the main event of the July ppv and it was all kinds of awesome. I'd call #2 the best match in 96 if it wasn't for that Foley match. Also dude, this nsx is fuckimg sick. I have another car and just bought this to fuck around with, but man its fucking fast and fun as hell to drive.

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  60. Savage/Liz reuniting is #1 for me. Sure, Hogan/Andre is more important and greater in terms of being done on a grander scale, but I think Savage/Liz is the epitome of WrestleMania Moment.

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  61. HBK-Austin. I understand HBK had an injury, but that doesn't make the match good. Otherwise, you guys would have to give Andre-Hogan extra stars for Andre working through an injury.


    I'd rather watch Hogan-Andre any day. HBK-Austin is a pain to sit through, for me. Not an AWFUL match (so maybe "sucked" was a bit much), but mediocre. But then again, I hate Austin's 98-99 style he was forced to work due to the neck injury.

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  62. "Holocaust? You mean that Marvel comics villain? Does Marvel want to sue us?" -Eric Bischoff

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  63. Completely forgot about the Show/Lesnar match. Wondered what you were talking about for a few moments.

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  64. "Steve Austin and the Rock were good supporting characters, nothing more. Foley was Santino with a sock, only was more of a comedy jobber than Santino is. DX were the real stars, and if Shawn hadn't gotten injured, WCW would have been out of business by 1999." -Triple H and all the talking heads in 2025

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  65. How about that ridiculous get up he wore at Wrestlemania 27.


    A chainmail robe with a skull helmet...

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  66. And hand stabbing. Can't forget the hand stabbing.

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  67. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    The engine is really easy to mod, in fact for what's essentially a supercar it's incredibly easy to work on, being all off the shelf Honda parts. Putting a turbo in would be easy as hell and pretty cheap. Just be careful, the aluminium body is practically impossible to repair, and REALLY expensive if it can be done. I wouldn't drive it any sort of bad weather, not that that's much of an issue where you live. They can be really tricky on wet pavement.


    Did you get the stick or the automatic? The auto has something like 35 less bhp than the 5-speed IIRC. And please tell me you didn't get the targa top.

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  68. Heenan laughing at all the girls crying pushes it to another level.


    And actually, Heenan-Monsoon's commentary throughout Wrestlemania 8 should be #1 and it's not even close.

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  69. That's the thing though, did it put Brock over? People either don't give a shit/forgot it happened. Doesn't help that Show sold being destroyed with 50 chair shots like he had mild indigestion.

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  70. Come on now bro, I got the stick shift. It would be a crime to drive one of these with an automatic! Its actually a six speed, as it ended up being the 3.2 liter and yeah its just insane to drive...however... Lol it absolutely has the targa top. I think they all did after like 1997

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  71. I'd love to get a turbo in there. Unfortunately I don't have any kind of garage. Just the parking structure in my building, but wanting to work on this thing may finally force my hand to try and find an affordable house to buy.

    My gf was ragging on it because the interior is a little beat, and the targa is a little "dated" as far as looks go, and she can't drive stick and shes mad its a gas guzzler (my other car I drive day to day has a TDI) so I've been hearing a lot of the negatives but my god is it fun to get out on the freeway and whip around.

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  72. I think it would have been much worse with Taker at that point in his career. He was still shaking off the Million Dollar Corporation nonsense.

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  73. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    Oh, so you have the new-style body then? Yeah, I think you're right, after 97 or so they killed the hardtop, and I want to say around 2000 they got rid of the auto version. AT NSXs are actually really rare. And the one I drove had the best transmission I've ever had the pleasure of using. I've driven some fast cars (M5, 911 Turbo, Vette...) and the clutch in those things are brutally stiff, you'll be sore after a short drive. The NSX just feels like a normal car, and outside of the high-tech body and the fact that the engine is behind you, it really is just a normal car.

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  74. I can see why they'd put Austin/Michaels at 1 since it saved their company but the slam HAS to be at the top.

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  75. But if HHH is taken out of the equation, how much does the company really suffer?
    Take Rock out of the company, and that DEFINITELY changes their finances.

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  76. He was probably there to ask Kane whether the family reunion was at Death Valley or Parts Unknown.

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  77. It was a great match, but outside of that, what really made it a "moment"?

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  78. Absolutely man. Plus it doesn't have that death trap feel. Its a very nice ride. I'm a huge acura fan and I've wanted an nsx for years, and the price was right so I snagged it. Now I've gotta get some new tires for it though. Any recommendations? Its got some pretty nasty Yokohama street racing tires but I think it could use a new set or I at least want some ready. I think the tires are 17" but I could be wrong.

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  79. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    The targa compromises the handling a bit, it's a problem with any kind of convertible, cutting the roof off makes the car less rigid. Put your hand up on the a-pillar while taking a sharp corner and you can actually feel the body flex. I don't know what the gf is talking about though, it's one of the best looking cars ever. And if you want to teach her how to drive stick that's not a bad car to do it in, the tranny and clutch are practically indestructible.

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  80. Also its the 2001, I don't know if I mentioned that in the other thread, so its got that longer, sleeker type look.

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  81. Longer matches make booking EASIER is what's sad. I would dig into the Verne Gagne/Sam Muchnick playbook and book serious athletic feuds and see how it works.

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  82. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    I want to say the stock rims were 17" up front and 18" in the rear, but don't quote me on that. I also want to say that the Yokohama tires were OEM too, but either way I'd just get another set of those. Don't waste your money on Perellis, you're just paying for the name and the "These are stock tires on Ferraris and Porches" factor (though I think Ferrari has switched to Bridgestone for whatever dumbassed reason). Kind of like Brembro brakes, only those are with the extra money.

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  83. Dude I can't fucking believe how easy it is to shift and drive.e The transmission is like a modern technology miracle. Its really a joy to drive. I'd rather have the hard top too but this thing was too sweet to walk on, plus I've never had a convertible.

    Her reaction was "oh it looks like an 80's car" but she really doesn't know shit about cars\have any appreciation for them beyond whether or not its good for the environment/it plays music. Now me, I grew up as Japanese sports car enthusiast so I trip out over all this stuff.

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  84. I'm assuming you meant "7 of the wrestlers from WM 14", but yeah, it's a really valid point about the turnover. Of course:
    1) Wrestlers used to die at a more rapid rate
    2) There were other companies that wrestlers could jump to until shortly before WrestleMania 17


    In fact, while no wrestlers from Mania 4 were at Mania 14, 3 wrestlers from Mania 4 (Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage & Bret Hart) had matches at WCW's March 1998 PPV, Uncensored (five if you count Rick Rude, who was in Curt Hennig's corner, and Miss Elizabeth).

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  85. The point of the Big Show match was to give Brock a dominant win, which he hasn't had since he came back to the company. That Triple H feud was such a disaster in hindsight.

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  86. Yup that's exactly what I'm thinking. I think your right about the 18" in the rear too. It just has the stock rims so I'll double check before I buy them but I think you might be right on that.

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  87. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    Yeah, I think they started the new body in 1999. I prefer the older as far as looks, but they both look great and the newer body is far superior from an aero POV. The one I drove was a 94, I believe. What color? To me they only look right in white or silver, for some reason. At least the old one, anyway.


    Now I'm just going to waste the rest of the day playing Forza...

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  88. They paid Lesnar and need something for him to do that doesn't overshadow their other angles.

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  89. Email survey? Seriously how old are you?

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  90. Its white and looks really great but I would really like it silver and I've had a dude just approach me on the street that owns a body shop and give me his card if I want a paint job. I'd like silver, or even black but honestly the white looks really good.

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  91. The worst part of it is that 3 matches (and roughly 12 or so dates total) of Brock's contract were wasted on the Triple H feud. Ultimately Brock won the feud (although Triple H got the win in the highest-profile match), so extending it into 3 matches instead of a one-and-done match like Brock's match with Punk can only be chalked up to Hunter stroking his ego.

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  92. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:47 PM

    There's no reason to put aftermarket rims on a car like that unless you absolutely hate the way the stock ones look (coughSC430cough). Be careful with those too, stock NSX rims are damn near impossible to find, and if you do find them shipping will cost damn near as much as the rims.


    I'm 99% sure that the back rims are slightly taller and wider than the front ones though.

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  93. Hogan vs. Rock was too low, but it's also kind of amazing how it wasn't the finish. Hogan Hulking up and landing the leg drop was AMAZING. It was probably the single-most amazing sight I've seen at WM live.

    Hogan vs. Andre at number 2 seems odd, but losing to Austin vs. HBK kind of makes sense.

    Too much Michaels.

    As much as Flair meant for the business, him losing to HBK being in the top 10 is ridiculous.

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  94. Stranger in the AlpsMarch 31, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    What? Nobody uses the email anymore?

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  95. I agree even more now than I did then. I think WM30 was the time for Cena vs. Taker.

    Cena vs. Taker
    Bryan vs. HHH

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  96. There's a lot of stuff on here they would be super affordable to fix/work on but yeah a major blow to the body or rims its gonna be crazy expensive so let's hope that doesn't happen lol

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  97. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    Yeah, they were mainly sold in either white, silver, or yellow. Blue, black, and red ones are rare, I could probably count the orange and green ones on one hand. I mean, I think it averaged 100 copies a year worldwide, and probably 75% of those were sold in Japan. I'd estimate there were about 400 LHD models total, and who knows how many are actually left thanks to them getting totaled out due to even really minor accidents because the body is so hard to repair. My buddy got his for $8k at an insurance auction because the door was all smashed up, he just a new door direct from Honda in Japan for $3k including installation. He drove for the summer and sold it for $60k.

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  98. TJ: Roddy Piper has been announced as doing some signings during Axxess (shouldn't it be Axxxess this year?) Do you think he'll finally stop bitching about how he needs to be at WrestleMania XXX, or will he still insist that he has to show up on camera?

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  99. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    Being out on the west coast you'd have a chance to get it fixed out there. Nearest place to here that could work on an aluminium body is in NYC, 500 miles away. Unless there's one in Toronto...

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  100. Worst_in_the_WorldMarch 31, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    That's what's so crazy about this. They knew fucking forever ago that they wanted to do Brock/Taker this year. Why couldn't they have done ANYTHING that would have logically led up to it?

    Wouldn't it have made sense for Brock to be the one to injure Taker last year instead of The Shield? And that said, Taker coming out and challenging Reigns to a match (as payback for The Shield attack) would have made way more sense and drawn way more heat right now than this shitty Brock match.

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  101. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    80's car? Maybe a Ferarri F40...

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  102. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Yeah, back then he was more of a sideshow attraction than any kind of main event threat. He got the belt the next year and his run was a disaster.

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  103. Honestly, I could do without Piper babbling on for too long on camera.


    His last few Piper's Pits have been pretty disastrous, not even in a 'ha, this is funny' kinda way.

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  104. Yeah I'd think for sure theres gotta be one around here somewhere but I bet it would be still be a bit expensive.

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  105. She's fucking stupid for sure.

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  106. It's honestly been shit when you put it like that. Please find my alternative (or any alternative, for that matter) below for something slightly more potentially engaging.


    Once again, the WWE production guys (who need a raise for every video of a shit feud they churn out) will make it look gold.

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  107. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    It's a pretty niche market, I can't even think of another car that was sold in the U.S. that had an aluminum body, though there was probably a Ferrari or Lambo in there before they started getting into carbon fiber. Come to think of it I think the Gallardo is aluminum.

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  108. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    I've only met one chick in my life that knows jack shit about cars, and that's only because her father was a mechanic and a huge gearhead.

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  109. I still think the build up to this Mania needs a good skull fucking. What better way to use it than having Brock skull fuck Taker tonight?

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  110. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    Didn't he get injured pretty badly from that?

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  111. Im not one to re watch whole wwf shows cuz they generally suck ass.

    But ill give it a go kf the commentary is good.

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  112. Yeah instead of passing Punk off onto Triple H like they planned they could have had the Punk/Lesnar rematch....

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  113. The way they booked entire angle was ridiculous.

    Flair should have quietly on tv every other week beating up young guys going up tye totem pole. Ran a sub angle for the rumble and then booked the match as a flairs greatest hits.

    Arn run-in
    Horsemen beat down
    Lil juice
    Just every thing you loved abt his matches.

    Then im sorry I love you. Bang. Whooo.. career.

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  114. Piper looks like he needs DDP yoga.

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  115. We never even had sequels to Cena and Punk. Imagine a Daniel Bryan-Brock match. I bet Brock vs Sheamus would be a war, too.

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  116. I'm surprised they never introduced another brother. Or at least a satanic up and coming nephew.

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  117. A big part of me wants him to shoot. I really hope Brock power bombs out of taker's triangle choke.

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  118. Mild indigestion made me laugh.

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  119. Fuck Barry Allen.

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  120. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    One other issue, though this might not apply to your car because you have the newer style: the power windows have a tendency to fall off their tracks and stop working. It's a $2,000 fix if it happens, but you can buy kits for $150 that will be a preemptive fix. Again though, not sure if that applies to your NSX, but it was pretty common in the Mr. Wolf NSXs.

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  121. Nice to see Keith has changed his tune on Hogan/Rock over the years. His curmudgeon-like original rant was some of the smarkiest bullshit I've ever read.

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  122. Dude the power windows are really slow. I'm thinking now, I should do this first. Is like a pulley I put in to replace the cable guide? I've gotta check this out. I think I might take a stab at it this weekend

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  123. Hogan-Andre from WM III is No. 1-5 in reality.

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  124. Honestly, I've got a feeling Rock/Cena II is going to go down as one of the least memorable Mania Main Events of all time, next to Triple H/Orton, Taker/Sid and Triple H/Jericho.

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  125. His Pit giving the speech to Cena about how much the title means, was superb. The rest of his Pits have pretty much been the pits.

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  126. Bryan/Brock would be this generations Vader/Sting. Would love to see those two go at it.

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  127. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    I'm not really sure how they work, I've just read about it, the one I drove had crank windows. If they're really slow that sounds like something else, either the motor is dying, or they're not getting enough power due to some electrical issue. Is it making any funny noises, or is it just slow? If there's a grinding a noise it very well may be the problem I'm talking about. Or they may just be slow, some cars have slow ones, my gfs Chevy Cruize (which is being recalled) has power windows so fast they can easily break a finger if you get one caught in it.

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  128. If they ever do Cena/Taker and when Taker finally retires, I think it's at Mania 32 in Texas.

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  129. And, if he wanted Taker to bring McCool's potato salad this time.

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  130. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    I kind of agree with his original take on it. Without the emotional attachment that most of you guys have (I got into wrestling after Hulkamania and never cared for the Rock) it's just a **1/2-*** ish at best match that went on way too long. Kind of weird to see him look at it that way, but then again he hates Hogan, or at least used to.

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  131. I'm ok with Warrior/Savage being number 1. Although, there's a bunch of matches rated too low, or way too high.

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  132. Its definitely just slow. Not making any sound fortunately. I very much wish it had a crank winow for one less thing to worry about.

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  133. Its a hot crowd and a mediocre match. I dunno, I'll make my way up to it on the network in a few months and report back.

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  134. Lol man I totally forgot that was the dudes car in pulp fiction.

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  135. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    Yeah, I hate power windows, just another thing that breaks easily. How slow are we talking about, like give me an approximate time of how long takes to open.


    Ever read about the Type-R models they only sell in Japan? Some of the shit they did to save weight in those cars was just silly. A carbon-fiber rear view mirror? Replacing the nice leather boot around the gearshift with mesh? How much weight is that saving, about enough to be cancelled out if I get in with $1.50 in quarters in my pocket?

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  136. Brock definitely should've had to win a Beat the Clock Challenge to get his shot at the streak.

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  137. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    That's how I always describe it to people that don't know what it is, and most people say "I always wondered what that car was called".


    Outside of the F&F movies and shit like that that's about street racing, that's the only movie I can ever recall seeing it in.

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  138. I hear where you're coming from and where Keith was back then. But I remember Scott's rant saying something along the lines of "Hogan's backrakes won't supply me the entertainment of Benoit and Angle's suplexes" or something to that nature. And that's where I disagree. If a perfectly timed backrake, low-blow, hand behind the ear, or whatever can draw a bigger reaction than a wrestling move, Then it works.


    It was just a one-time only type of thing that couldn't be replicated. Not unlike Bret/Austin in that respect.

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  139. "How many people actually remember that?"


    for starters, I guess EVERYONE on this blog.

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  140. Given that all they'd have to do to make the booking make sense would be for Brock to beat up UT with a damn chair (like Brock did to Show at RR), it's really a weird thing for them to have missed.

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  141. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    I was never a Benoit fan either. Again, I appreciate that match for what it is, but it's almost like any ROH match, only with better workers.

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  142. It probably takes the twice the time I'm used to with a normal power window. Maybe takes like 15-20 seconds to close it.

    Carbon fiber rearview? Why not just take out all the passenger seats and the glove compartment? I've used it to drive to the grocery store and shit, lol maybe I should have tied the shopping cart onto the back of the car!

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  143. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMarch 31, 2014 at 3:10 PM

    You know what I remember most about that? Tyson just marking the fuck out like a little kid.


    I meant that in a good way, champ, don't hit me!

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  144. I totally didn't know about the dry ice burns. Ouch! http://www.mstarz.com/articles/11112/20130412/triple-h-dry-ice-wwe-wrestler-suffers-2nd-degree-burns-during-wrestlemania-29-entrance-malfunction-watch-video-former-ufc-heavyweight-champion-brock-lesnar-suffers-concussion.htm

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  145. Yeah but if piper doesn't come out on the shown all the fans will feel cheated!!!!

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  146. Well huntor is the only guy who could realistically beat up Brock Lesnar so that's probably why they had 3 matches.

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  147. which is especially stupid because the first one was an actually high anticipated match.

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  148. Shit I would have rather seen Vince wrestle Brock than HHH

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  149. Hey I was initially in favor of this feud. I literally don't understand what they are doing. Do they really not plan this out ahead? Isn't undertaker going to get a little more definite of a storyline than say Kofi or fandango? Its honesty like they don't care about the story at all. But remember, they aren't a wrestling company.

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  150. 01. the slam.
    02. the staredown
    03. André exiting the arena on his cart
    04. the attempted slam at the beginning
    05. Hogan marches to the ring.

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  151. We'll never agree on this one cause I believe in shit like Hulk returning to Wrestlemania after all those years was a big deal and stuff like that. Like even as I was watching it live, during Hulk entrance, I was like "holy shit, this is like the first time in 9 years the Fink has announced Hulk's name after doing it a million times back in the day!" I was like THAT during the match. A total mark in nostalgia mode. So I can't just compare it to a "hot crowd" at some Ring of Honor event. It's more than that. It was like celebration of pro wrestling....or something.

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