Scott,
out of determination to watch the PPVs on the Network chronologically, I've started with S
tarrcade
'83 (aka "Everybody Bleeds"). To the modern eye, it seems like most of the finishes come out of nowhere, sometimes off of what I'd label a transitional move or in the middle of a sequence — and clearly the crowd doesn't expect them either.Is the idea of building to a hot finish a more modern concept (or at least one that came later in the '80s), or was NWA just booked differently at the time? Or am I somehow watching it wrong (very possible)?
Yeah, the "hot finish" is very much a product of the modern times, I'd say. Obviously the usual finish in WWF main events was Hogan doing the big boot and legdrop for most of the 80s, although the tag teams on the undercard were doing a lot of the style we'd call "WWE main event style" now, with trading finishes and missing big moves and stuff. Bulldogs and Harts used to love to do that. It's also to do with the promotion you're watching. Japan's big two pretty much pioneered the finisher-trading industry and it ended up being a big influence on the guys who worked there or just came up watching it.
To the OP, you'll see this a LOT in the 80's NWA. Here are two examples, both involve Flair winning the world title (I'd say I'm spoiling it but cmon...)
ReplyDelete1. When he beat Steamboat at Wrestlewar, he won with a small package off of a bodyslam attempt about 35 minutes in. The story was that he'd worked on Steamboat's back, but still, it was out of nowhere.
2. (This one more off of memory) He beat Ron Garvin with a hot shot out of nowhere to win back his title at Starrcade.
I would say that NWA/WCW sort of abandoned that in 1990 and on.
Rock and Austin loved trading finishers.
ReplyDeleteI wish they'd mix it up every once in a while and do the All Japan beat the shit out of your opponent until he can't kick out. Kind of like the finish with Rock-Austin and WM17 except with wrestling holds or moves instead of chairs.
ReplyDeleteI always thought that if you wanted to have more possibilities for hot near-falls / ending sequences, make guys win their tv matches with their signature moves.
ReplyDeleteIe, let Daniel Bryan win a match here and there with that head but, or big knockout kick...or let Orton win with the dangling-rope DDT. Then, come ppv time, you've got a new near fall you can use without having to damager your real finisher too much.
Should be a swell show tonight.
ReplyDeleteSad.
ReplyDeleteSad that Daniels will be gone.
ReplyDeleteHe said it's just a rumor.
ReplyDeleteStill seems inevitable.
ReplyDeleteI bet they both re-sign.
ReplyDeleteLive TNA, seems like such a rarity now.
ReplyDeleteMVP's first appearance in the Impact Zone II.
ReplyDelete"It is a NEW era in TNA..."
ReplyDelete...again.
Wait a second... TNA actually let someone win in their home town?
ReplyDeleteI don't like the new Impact Zone. Looks like it is sideways.
ReplyDeleteMVP runs a NWO stable 2 months later.
ReplyDeleteI wish they still had the tube entranceway.
ReplyDeleteAgainst face Dixie
ReplyDeletePlease no.
ReplyDeleteI liked how they had a heel and a face entrance tunnel. The one from 2009 I think was the best.
ReplyDeleteGo go Power Rangers!
ReplyDeleteSame here.
ReplyDeleteHere comes the proud Papa.
ReplyDeleteAnd he's their Champion.
ReplyDeleteMagnus has found his night's entertainment before entering the ring, methinks...
ReplyDeleteIt was something different instead of the blah entrance under the screen thing. When TNA went to New Japan for one of their Wrestle Kingdom's, they re-created that entrance setup in the Tokyo Dome. It was really neat.
ReplyDeleteWell, he's a few minutes away from City Walk.
ReplyDeleteYou're British Magnus, it's kicking the ball into the back of the net, wanker.
ReplyDeleteInsurance Policy? Rick Rude is dead.
ReplyDeleteAbyss spruced up. I approve.
ReplyDeleteI still can't believe that MVP was allowed to keep his name, clock sound bite, and bling.
ReplyDeleteWhere's the TV title?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't even look like the old Abyss aka Joseph Park.
ReplyDeleteAbyss looks like the Horned King form the Black Caldron.
ReplyDeleteI sort of like Abyss' makeover. Just wish the mask didn't look so much like Mankind's.
ReplyDeleteOld masked Abyss looked less intimidating then this.
ReplyDeleteAbyss is a capitalist now? Fuck.
ReplyDeleteIt's just like Kane being Libertarian.
ReplyDeleteMVP went to the Gorilla school of talking... "Literally pulled Abyss out of your ass.".
ReplyDeleteAlso, that line is SO FUCKING DISTURBING.
Magnus looks like an Anti Aaron Paul for some reason.
ReplyDeleteHello everyone.
ReplyDeletein the NWA finishers only won matches against jobbers or JTTS. I would guess a finisher beat a main eventer .056 % of the time.
ReplyDeleteFlair won the title from Dusty in Kansas City with the figure four. BUT...it was after Tully obliterated his leg with a chair.
Here's a challenge. Other than Hogan on the 100th Nitro, what main eventer did Luger beat with the rack?
Greetings, bud.
ReplyDeleteGood evening.
ReplyDeleteNo, it looks like Joe has a bad stomachache...
ReplyDeleteSir.
ReplyDeleteGentleman.
ReplyDeleteGood evening.
ReplyDeleteYou can barely see the bandages.
ReplyDeleteEvening sir.
ReplyDeleteAnd a commercial break.
ReplyDeleteSting?
ReplyDeleteCrazy Caliber day wasn't it?
ReplyDeleteSomeone actually wrote these Sonic commercials... and someone else approved them...
ReplyDeleteMovie TJ: Frozen is being accused of being pro-gay by some christian pastor.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I read, they are all improvised.
ReplyDeleteIt was awesome.
ReplyDeleteBrokeback Mountain was pro-gay.
ReplyDeleteIt was a good film.
ReplyDeleteThat's a trick question. Other than the aformentioned example, 100% of all main event WCW matches ended with an NWO run in.
ReplyDeleteNews alert: Christian offended by something. Film at 11.
ReplyDeleteWhoa. I just read who the former Knockout champion returning tonight is.
ReplyDeleteRidiculous. It should be accused of giving us that annoying yet beautiful " Let It Go" song.
ReplyDeleteHaven't seen it. It's a good thing there wasn't 3D back then, though.
ReplyDeleteYou do remember Luger being in the NWA, and the WWF (although he didn't use the rack there, he used the steel-plated FOREARM OF DOOM!)
ReplyDeleteWhy did you put that image in my mind?
ReplyDeleteIf a movie doesn't come out as overtly anti-gay, it's pro gay.
ReplyDeleteAnd stop right there. Perfect.
ReplyDeleteYep,just ridiculous.He claims the song will make girls reject a male figure in her lives,idiots.
ReplyDeleteThat's how Russev should be booked when he wrestles on RAW for the first few months.
ReplyDeleteDamn you for using logic to trump my witty comment!!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm no spoiler!
ReplyDeleteI always loved the All Japan hierarchy of finishers, where the higher up the opponent in the company, the more devastating the move needed to put them away. If done correctly, this style could be used to easily signal to the audience that a wrestler is moving up in the company because it takes more to defeat them.
ReplyDeleteIt's T.....
ReplyDeleteWhy don't we have an NXT live thread?
ReplyDeleteRopes look extra blue tonight.
ReplyDeleteWait, it's because of that song? I'm a Christian and even I think that's a stupid claim.
ReplyDeleteJust talk on the Daily Network Thread.
ReplyDeleteAnd how the characters act.
ReplyDeleteTazz: "The newest TNA Knockout, Britnetngngngnhhh."
ReplyDeleteTenay: "Indeed, the debut of the newest Knockout next."
WHO?
Weekly these announcers are horrible comment.
Still need to see the film, I'm guessing he hates the Snowman the most?
ReplyDeleteNo problem.
ReplyDeleteThe princesses..
ReplyDeleteThat little shithead in the striped shirt and glasses... HIT HIM WITH JANICE, ABYSS!
ReplyDeleteIt's a Disney film man, he needs to just let it go...
ReplyDeleteTime to take Eric Young serious again! (for a few weeks at least?)
ReplyDeleteLove?!
ReplyDeleteNew Abyss mask is fug. Can't blow some of the $50 costume budget on a redesign that nasty.
ReplyDeleteJust make a concussion angle where he reverts back to the World Elite gimmick.
ReplyDeleteDid I miss you? Nah, not really... unless you're bringing Winter with you?
ReplyDeleteUntil he gets another "concussion".
ReplyDeleteI miss Winter's theme.
ReplyDeleteFake tits Angelina Love.
ReplyDeleteBeautiful People reunion?
ReplyDeleteTruth be told, though, there weren't as many eventers back then. Usually 3-4 tops at a time. That said, I don't think he beat many upper midcarders with it, either.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping for that.
ReplyDeleteNice her floor manager at Satin Dolls gave her the night off.
ReplyDeleteAlso, someone fix the sound backstage, Borash sounded like crap for about half that segment.
ReplyDeleteJust don't call Kip.
ReplyDeleteAs Tazz would say, let the pigeons loose!
ReplyDeleteHe's busy anyway.
ReplyDeleteI like Angelina. She can refuse to eat and be on my tv all she wants.
ReplyDeleteAnd Flair's pin of Garvin happened right after he kicked out of a finisher, Garvin's knockout punch (though Tommy Young was just a tad late making the count because of a bump). I watched that match again today. Underrated.
ReplyDeleteI just remembered, a Heel Lex beat Savage 100% clean with the rack on Nitro in late 1995/early 1996, after Savage missed the elbow drop. it was actually kind of shocking.
ReplyDeleteNot a big fan of hers.
ReplyDeleteFun NXT tapings so far tonight. Kalisto wrestled El Local in the dark match so hopefully that means they'll start using him soon.
ReplyDeleteThe closest would be Arn Anderson in Anderson's last match before surgery...
ReplyDeleteThat would apply to a lot of them.
ReplyDeleteWas Adam Rose there?
ReplyDeleteI'm fan of the natural ones.
ReplyDeleteWell, that was... awkward?
ReplyDeleteIt seems like everyone that left TNA before Hogan came in are returning.
ReplyDeleteCrap, thought that was Spuds voice for a second.
ReplyDelete...Uh yeah... so that was something that happened.
ReplyDeleteThere's some nightmare fuel.
ReplyDeleteAnd there's a jobber/stripper.
She doesn't have Tessmacher's ass, but she's not bad in the looks department.
ReplyDeleteYea he won a squash match already tonight. People keep singing his music during slow parts all night
ReplyDeleteJeff's creations on cocaine.
ReplyDeleteDamn straight.
ReplyDeleteWowzers. I'm a fan.
ReplyDeleteWhy you're happy to be a knockout,this company is in the verge of death.
ReplyDeleteAngelina Love is top 5 all time for women wrestlers, looks wise
ReplyDeleteSince when?
ReplyDeleteEdit my last: There's a soon-to-be DEAD jobber/stripper.
ReplyDeleteThat entrance is awesome.
ReplyDeleteI kind of like Kim's theme.
ReplyDeleteThey're doing pay cuts,the lack of attendence...
ReplyDeleteThong already showing. I love this new KO.
ReplyDeleteAccording to some, since they opened for business.
ReplyDeleteWhere's Jef when we need him?
ReplyDeleteHeard this for 12 years now.
ReplyDeleteI got a say,I think she's not attractive at all,she looks like a doll.
ReplyDeleteNot a this level.
ReplyDeleteTits wise
ReplyDeleteWeren't finishers ultra generic in the 70s and earlier too? Every old time wrestler I look up seems to use either a piledriver or some sort of back suplex for the pinfall coupled with some sort of toe hold or deathlock for the submission win.
ReplyDeleteCould Tapa be the next Awesome Kong?
ReplyDeleteIt's been MUCH worse before. They have multi-million dollar backers, a TV network that is very happy with their ratings, and a huge international market. I'd say they are in as good of shape for TNA as ever.
ReplyDeleteWell, those two should be an interesting match in the future at least.
ReplyDeleteYes it is.
ReplyDeleteEdit my edit: She lived. Not bad.
ReplyDeleteShe's "porn star" hot. Slutty/trashy. Love it on her.
ReplyDeleteSpud is awful. Worse than Brad Maddox even.
ReplyDeleteDid the Bully/Devon feud actually had a blow-off?
ReplyDeleteEC3 and the Bromans= Shane and the Mean Street Posse.
ReplyDeleteNo. Devon was forced to leave Aces and that was that.
ReplyDeleteI kinda see your point,like Shyla.
ReplyDeleteRoode is the man!
ReplyDeleteRoode: HHH
ReplyDeleteSpud: Brisco - 40 years?
It's astounding how TNA can keep finding second-hand knockoffs of some of WWE's most obnoxious people. I thought Dixie's Stephanie McMahon impression was bad.
ReplyDeleteNOT THE ERASABLE BOARD!
ReplyDeleteNo the one before that even Devon's son was being part of.
ReplyDeleteDryerase board violence!
ReplyDeletePatterson?
ReplyDeleteReplacement dry erase boards aren't in the budget!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't think that one had any conclusion... didn't whatshisname get injured?
ReplyDeleteOh so bad...
ReplyDeleteWasn't watching then.
ReplyDeleteBack to chalkboards.
ReplyDeleteNapkins.
ReplyDeleteRusso's booking sheet of choice.
ReplyDeleteSpud must be given a free place to live in the Carter mansion because there's no way he should be paid given their budget issues.
ReplyDeleteMuch worse, at least when comparing EC3 to Shane. He was awesome from 99-01.
ReplyDeleteDJ Zema Ion all up in your area!
ReplyDeleteHand me my flamethrower.
ReplyDeleteWho in the blue hell would accept to go in to jungle naked on a tv show?
ReplyDeleteI can't recall many either. Did he even use it in the WWF?
ReplyDeleteThere's only a rocket launcher.
ReplyDeleteYep Shima Zion is in the building.
ReplyDeleteStarved attention whores?
ReplyDeleteNope. I only remember Hogan, really. Other said Savage and Arn but I don't even remember those.
ReplyDeleteTo not be as hot from the sun?
ReplyDeleteTNA Logic: It's both guys' TV debuts for us, let's put them right against the champs.
ReplyDeleteAlright,Sanada's theme is cool.
ReplyDeleteAnd make sure one of them has a belt too.
ReplyDeleteI do recall him beating some nWo guys with it at Uncensored 97 in that 3 team battle royal thing.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteGet the title out of the Bromans.
ReplyDeleteThey do not show the backstage segments in the Impact Zone to the crowd, correct?
ReplyDeleteThis Wrestle-1 deal might be something good.
ReplyDeleteI think they do, unless they pipe in crowd noise.
ReplyDeleteSanada needs to be Called Saint Seiya.
ReplyDeleteOk, that was great.
ReplyDeleteI hope Road Dogg's watching... THAT's how you catch someone,
ReplyDeletePretty decent chemistry between Sanada and Uno here.
ReplyDeleteThere's your future tag champions.
ReplyDeleteWow, we need more Wrestle-1 in TNA.
ReplyDeleteIs this their first time teaming?
ReplyDeleteTigre was from AAA.
ReplyDeleteWasn't he a cruiserweight champion in there?
ReplyDeleteEither way, this is how they should revive the X Division.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
ReplyDeleteYeah I know. TNA has the partnership with Wrestle-1 though. The international flair gives the show a different feel. It's not just WWE lite.
ReplyDeleteA quick Google search shows nothing. If it is their first, very impressive.
ReplyDeleteJust call it a pizza Subway.
ReplyDeleteBring back the World Cup.
ReplyDeleteReturn of the X-Cup?
ReplyDeleteThey would get an A.
ReplyDeletePlease and thank you.
ReplyDeleteIf they do that, they can't call it "healthy".
ReplyDeleteMake the X-division the "second world title" again.
ReplyDelete