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Question on Match Finishes

Scott,

out of determination to watch the PPVs on the Network chronologically, I've started with S
tarrcade
'83 (aka "Everybody Bleeds"). To the modern eye, it seems like most of the finishes come out of nowhere, sometimes off of what I'd label a transitional move or in the middle of a sequence — and clearly the crowd doesn't expect them either.

Is the idea of building to a hot finish a more modern concept (or at least one that came later in the '80s), or was NWA just booked differently at the time? Or am I somehow watching it wrong (very possible)?

Yeah, the "hot finish" is very much a product of the modern times, I'd say.  Obviously the usual finish in WWF main events was Hogan doing the big boot and legdrop for most of the 80s, although the tag teams on the undercard were doing a lot of the style we'd call "WWE main event style" now, with trading finishes and missing big moves and stuff.  Bulldogs and Harts used to love to do that.  It's also to do with the promotion you're watching.  Japan's big two pretty much pioneered the finisher-trading industry and it ended up being a big influence on the guys who worked there or just came up watching it.  

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  1. To the OP, you'll see this a LOT in the 80's NWA. Here are two examples, both involve Flair winning the world title (I'd say I'm spoiling it but cmon...)


    1. When he beat Steamboat at Wrestlewar, he won with a small package off of a bodyslam attempt about 35 minutes in. The story was that he'd worked on Steamboat's back, but still, it was out of nowhere.


    2. (This one more off of memory) He beat Ron Garvin with a hot shot out of nowhere to win back his title at Starrcade.


    I would say that NWA/WCW sort of abandoned that in 1990 and on.

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  2. Rock and Austin loved trading finishers.

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  3. I wish they'd mix it up every once in a while and do the All Japan beat the shit out of your opponent until he can't kick out. Kind of like the finish with Rock-Austin and WM17 except with wrestling holds or moves instead of chairs.

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  4. I always thought that if you wanted to have more possibilities for hot near-falls / ending sequences, make guys win their tv matches with their signature moves.


    Ie, let Daniel Bryan win a match here and there with that head but, or big knockout kick...or let Orton win with the dangling-rope DDT. Then, come ppv time, you've got a new near fall you can use without having to damager your real finisher too much.

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  5. Should be a swell show tonight.

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  6. Sad that Daniels will be gone.

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  7. He said it's just a rumor.

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  8. Still seems inevitable.

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  9. I bet they both re-sign.

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  10. Live TNA, seems like such a rarity now.

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  11. MVP's first appearance in the Impact Zone II.

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  12. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    "It is a NEW era in TNA..."

    ...again.

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  13. Wait a second... TNA actually let someone win in their home town?

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  14. I don't like the new Impact Zone. Looks like it is sideways.

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  15. MVP runs a NWO stable 2 months later.

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  16. I wish they still had the tube entranceway.

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  17. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Against face Dixie

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  18. I liked how they had a heel and a face entrance tunnel. The one from 2009 I think was the best.

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  19. Go go Power Rangers!

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  20. Here comes the proud Papa.

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  21. And he's their Champion.

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  22. Magnus has found his night's entertainment before entering the ring, methinks...

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  23. It was something different instead of the blah entrance under the screen thing. When TNA went to New Japan for one of their Wrestle Kingdom's, they re-created that entrance setup in the Tokyo Dome. It was really neat.

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  24. Well, he's a few minutes away from City Walk.

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  25. You're British Magnus, it's kicking the ball into the back of the net, wanker.

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  26. Insurance Policy? Rick Rude is dead.

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  27. Abyss spruced up. I approve.

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  28. I still can't believe that MVP was allowed to keep his name, clock sound bite, and bling.

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  29. Where's the TV title?

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  30. Doesn't even look like the old Abyss aka Joseph Park.

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  31. Abyss looks like the Horned King form the Black Caldron.

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  32. I sort of like Abyss' makeover. Just wish the mask didn't look so much like Mankind's.

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  33. Old masked Abyss looked less intimidating then this.

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  34. Abyss is a capitalist now? Fuck.

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  35. It's just like Kane being Libertarian.

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  36. MVP went to the Gorilla school of talking... "Literally pulled Abyss out of your ass.".


    Also, that line is SO FUCKING DISTURBING.

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  37. Magnus looks like an Anti Aaron Paul for some reason.

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  38. Hello everyone.

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  39. in the NWA finishers only won matches against jobbers or JTTS. I would guess a finisher beat a main eventer .056 % of the time.

    Flair won the title from Dusty in Kansas City with the figure four. BUT...it was after Tully obliterated his leg with a chair.

    Here's a challenge. Other than Hogan on the 100th Nitro, what main eventer did Luger beat with the rack?

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  40. No, it looks like Joe has a bad stomachache...

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  41. Good evening.

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  42. You can barely see the bandages.

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  43. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Evening sir.

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  44. And a commercial break.

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  45. Crazy Caliber day wasn't it?

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  46. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Someone actually wrote these Sonic commercials... and someone else approved them...

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  47. Movie TJ: Frozen is being accused of being pro-gay by some christian pastor.

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  48. From what I read, they are all improvised.

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  49. It was awesome.

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  50. Brokeback Mountain was pro-gay.

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  51. It was a good film.

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  52. That's a trick question. Other than the aformentioned example, 100% of all main event WCW matches ended with an NWO run in.

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  53. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:17 PM

    News alert: Christian offended by something. Film at 11.

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  54. Whoa. I just read who the former Knockout champion returning tonight is.

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  55. Ridiculous. It should be accused of giving us that annoying yet beautiful " Let It Go" song.

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  56. Haven't seen it. It's a good thing there wasn't 3D back then, though.

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  57. You do remember Luger being in the NWA, and the WWF (although he didn't use the rack there, he used the steel-plated FOREARM OF DOOM!)

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  58. Why did you put that image in my mind?

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  59. If a movie doesn't come out as overtly anti-gay, it's pro gay.

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  60. And stop right there. Perfect.

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  61. Yep,just ridiculous.He claims the song will make girls reject a male figure in her lives,idiots.

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  62. That's how Russev should be booked when he wrestles on RAW for the first few months.

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  63. Damn you for using logic to trump my witty comment!!!!

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  64. I always loved the All Japan hierarchy of finishers, where the higher up the opponent in the company, the more devastating the move needed to put them away. If done correctly, this style could be used to easily signal to the audience that a wrestler is moving up in the company because it takes more to defeat them.

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  65. It's T.....

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  66. Why don't we have an NXT live thread?

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  67. Ropes look extra blue tonight.

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  68. Wait, it's because of that song? I'm a Christian and even I think that's a stupid claim.

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  69. Just talk on the Daily Network Thread.

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  70. And how the characters act.

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  71. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Tazz: "The newest TNA Knockout, Britnetngngngnhhh."

    Tenay: "Indeed, the debut of the newest Knockout next."
    WHO?

    Weekly these announcers are horrible comment.

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  72. Still need to see the film, I'm guessing he hates the Snowman the most?

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  73. The princesses..

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  74. That little shithead in the striped shirt and glasses... HIT HIM WITH JANICE, ABYSS!

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  75. It's a Disney film man, he needs to just let it go...

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  76. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    Time to take Eric Young serious again! (for a few weeks at least?)

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  77. New Abyss mask is fug. Can't blow some of the $50 costume budget on a redesign that nasty.

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  78. Just make a concussion angle where he reverts back to the World Elite gimmick.

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  79. Did I miss you? Nah, not really... unless you're bringing Winter with you?

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  80. Until he gets another "concussion".

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  81. I miss Winter's theme.

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  82. Fake tits Angelina Love.

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  83. Beautiful People reunion?

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  84. Truth be told, though, there weren't as many eventers back then. Usually 3-4 tops at a time. That said, I don't think he beat many upper midcarders with it, either.

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  85. I was hoping for that.

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  86. Nice her floor manager at Satin Dolls gave her the night off.

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  87. Also, someone fix the sound backstage, Borash sounded like crap for about half that segment.

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  88. Just don't call Kip.

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  89. As Tazz would say, let the pigeons loose!

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  90. I like Angelina. She can refuse to eat and be on my tv all she wants.

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  91. And Flair's pin of Garvin happened right after he kicked out of a finisher, Garvin's knockout punch (though Tommy Young was just a tad late making the count because of a bump). I watched that match again today. Underrated.

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  92. I just remembered, a Heel Lex beat Savage 100% clean with the rack on Nitro in late 1995/early 1996, after Savage missed the elbow drop. it was actually kind of shocking.

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  93. Not a big fan of hers.

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  94. Fun NXT tapings so far tonight. Kalisto wrestled El Local in the dark match so hopefully that means they'll start using him soon.

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  95. The closest would be Arn Anderson in Anderson's last match before surgery...

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  96. That would apply to a lot of them.

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  97. Was Adam Rose there?

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  98. I'm fan of the natural ones.

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  99. Well, that was... awkward?

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  100. It seems like everyone that left TNA before Hogan came in are returning.

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  101. Crap, thought that was Spuds voice for a second.

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  102. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    ...Uh yeah... so that was something that happened.

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  103. There's some nightmare fuel.


    And there's a jobber/stripper.

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  104. She doesn't have Tessmacher's ass, but she's not bad in the looks department.

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  105. Yea he won a squash match already tonight. People keep singing his music during slow parts all night

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  106. Jeff's creations on cocaine.

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  107. Wowzers. I'm a fan.

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  108. Why you're happy to be a knockout,this company is in the verge of death.

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  109. Angelina Love is top 5 all time for women wrestlers, looks wise

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  110. Edit my last: There's a soon-to-be DEAD jobber/stripper.

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  111. That entrance is awesome.

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  112. I kind of like Kim's theme.

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  113. They're doing pay cuts,the lack of attendence...

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  114. Thong already showing. I love this new KO.

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  115. According to some, since they opened for business.

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  116. Where's Jef when we need him?

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  117. Heard this for 12 years now.

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  118. I got a say,I think she's not attractive at all,she looks like a doll.

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  119. Not a this level.

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  120. Weren't finishers ultra generic in the 70s and earlier too? Every old time wrestler I look up seems to use either a piledriver or some sort of back suplex for the pinfall coupled with some sort of toe hold or deathlock for the submission win.

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  121. Could Tapa be the next Awesome Kong?

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  122. It's been MUCH worse before. They have multi-million dollar backers, a TV network that is very happy with their ratings, and a huge international market. I'd say they are in as good of shape for TNA as ever.

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  123. Well, those two should be an interesting match in the future at least.

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  124. Edit my edit: She lived. Not bad.

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  125. She's "porn star" hot. Slutty/trashy. Love it on her.

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  126. Spud is awful. Worse than Brad Maddox even.

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  127. Did the Bully/Devon feud actually had a blow-off?

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  128. EC3 and the Bromans= Shane and the Mean Street Posse.

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  129. No. Devon was forced to leave Aces and that was that.

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  130. I kinda see your point,like Shyla.

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  131. Roode is the man!

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  132. Roode: HHH
    Spud: Brisco - 40 years?

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  133. It's astounding how TNA can keep finding second-hand knockoffs of some of WWE's most obnoxious people. I thought Dixie's Stephanie McMahon impression was bad.

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  134. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    NOT THE ERASABLE BOARD!

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  135. No the one before that even Devon's son was being part of.

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  136. Dryerase board violence!

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  137. Replacement dry erase boards aren't in the budget!!!

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  138. I don't think that one had any conclusion... didn't whatshisname get injured?

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  139. Wasn't watching then.

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  140. Back to chalkboards.

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  141. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Napkins.

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  142. Russo's booking sheet of choice.

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  143. Spud must be given a free place to live in the Carter mansion because there's no way he should be paid given their budget issues.

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  144. Much worse, at least when comparing EC3 to Shane. He was awesome from 99-01.

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  145. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    DJ Zema Ion all up in your area!

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  146. Hand me my flamethrower.

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  147. Who in the blue hell would accept to go in to jungle naked on a tv show?

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  148. I can't recall many either. Did he even use it in the WWF?

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  149. There's only a rocket launcher.

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  150. Yep Shima Zion is in the building.

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  151. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    Starved attention whores?

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  152. Nope. I only remember Hogan, really. Other said Savage and Arn but I don't even remember those.

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  153. To not be as hot from the sun?

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  154. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    TNA Logic: It's both guys' TV debuts for us, let's put them right against the champs.

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  155. Alright,Sanada's theme is cool.

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  156. And make sure one of them has a belt too.

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  157. I do recall him beating some nWo guys with it at Uncensored 97 in that 3 team battle royal thing.

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  158. Get the title out of the Bromans.

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  159. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    They do not show the backstage segments in the Impact Zone to the crowd, correct?

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  160. This Wrestle-1 deal might be something good.

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  161. I think they do, unless they pipe in crowd noise.

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  162. Sanada needs to be Called Saint Seiya.

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  163. Ok, that was great.

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  164. I hope Road Dogg's watching... THAT's how you catch someone,

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  165. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Pretty decent chemistry between Sanada and Uno here.

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  166. There's your future tag champions.

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  167. Wow, we need more Wrestle-1 in TNA.

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  168. Is this their first time teaming?

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  169. Tigre was from AAA.

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  170. Wasn't he a cruiserweight champion in there?

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  171. Either way, this is how they should revive the X Division.

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  172. Yeah I know. TNA has the partnership with Wrestle-1 though. The international flair gives the show a different feel. It's not just WWE lite.

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  173. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    A quick Google search shows nothing. If it is their first, very impressive.

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  174. Just call it a pizza Subway.

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  175. Bring back the World Cup.

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  176. Oprah NoodlemantraMarch 13, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    Return of the X-Cup?

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  177. They would get an A.

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  178. Please and thank you.

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  179. If they do that, they can't call it "healthy".

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  180. Make the X-division the "second world title" again.

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