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Hey, Scott here's the Super Sunday match between Hulk Hogan and Nick
Bockwinkel complete with pre and post-match promos. I still cannot
believe that Verne had the guts to do another false finish after all
this build-up. Oh well hope people enjoy it:

http://youtu.be/xFVWro5_umM

Mark Boomer

Comments

  1. Just remember how much slower things were back then. Angles could be played out for a while and "the chase" was a thing that took months.


    Compare that to today... and I STILL can't belieive how much they delayed the Daniel Bryan moment. That fucker essentially "chased the title" from July to April.


    Couldn't be happier with the resulting WMXXX though.

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  2. Totally. I think it's the best story they've told in years. WM30 was awesome and reminded me of the days when I was young and wanted the good guy to win so bad.

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  3. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    "Hey pal go back and knit some blankets."
    Bobby Heenan in all his glory.

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  4. The amount of content per week compared to back then is completely different though.

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  5. Still remember on the AWA doc, Verne STILL insists "we didn't need Hogan, we were still doing good business," completely refusing to admit that he blew what any idiot could have seen as the next mega-star in the making that could have printed money for the AWA for years.

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  6. Pretty surprising Vince was the one to want it considering how much he hates wrestlers not working the full schedule.

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  7. So lets play this out. What happens if Vern put Hulk over? What happens to the face of pro wrestling? My gut says Vince throws a bank at Hulk and he shows up in WWF anyway...probably with AWA title..but maybe not back in those days. That however is not as fun so does anyone thing things would have been drastically different?

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  8. (Need to look up the exact event): Rey/Psychosis in ECW was at least 4 3/4*.


    Halloween Havoc 1997, Eddie/Rey. Also famous for one of the two LOUDEST nutshots I've ever heard.



    Eddie sets Rey up in the Tree of Woe, and charges from the other corner for a dropkick to Rey's face. Rey lifts up, and Eddie nearly flies groin-first into the post. The THUD from impact made me cringe.

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  9. The famous Eddy match, the series with Jericho, the matches with Pscisosis, etc.

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  10. So Daniel bryan is having a feud with kane who was jobbed in 2 minutes at wrestlemania ....

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  11. I think your old roommate is gay.

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  12. Vs Jericho (Mask vs Title)
    Vs Guerrero (Halloween Havoc)
    with Edge Vs Angle and Benoit
    vs Psychosis


    This is just off the top of my head. I know its hard to remember, but Rey used to be VERY VERY good.

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  13. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Thought of that one, and even the one off match against HBK at the Eddie memorial. It was good, not great.
    His matches (especially the ones he wrestled after he cycled off the roids) were lacking and paint by numbers.

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  14. I went through a Bockwinkle YouTube paste like 2 months ago and god damn was he awesome. Awesome flat back bumper I've seen, solid straight forward mic skills, and good ring work.

    Wish the network would throw some NWA shit up

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  15. I'd argue the NAO were jobbed out, Kane was kept away from the real squash. IIRC, all he took was a couple of shots from Reigns, and was on the floor for the finish.

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  16. The only argument we need about Meltzer is whether to send him to the nursing home, or the glue factory! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  17. You mean it wasn't Bertha Faye?!

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  18. They couldn't get Bryan a real feud because of the short time between PPVs and his wedding. This is kind of a placeholder. I assume he will have a real feud for next PPV.

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  19. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    His best work was against Eddy. They had great chemistry, but I didn't see a classic. I'll have to rewatch.

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  20. The Halloween Havoc match does not describe the above.


    There's also the match he had against Taker at the Rumble, he had some really good matches with Punk, etc.

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  21. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Seen all those.

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  22. Halloween Havoc
    The match they had on Smackdown
    Judgment Day
    I liked the Bash match too.


    They had some matches on Nitro too.

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  23. And you don't think they are classics? That's kind of insane.

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  24. He was in some other great tag matches at the time. The 2/3 falls v. Benoit and Angle where they won the belt. He had a good series with Chavo too

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  25. Yeah, but UT was with the company for 24 years, I think fans want some sort of closure to say goodbye.

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  26. AMERICAN MALES! AMERICAN MALES! AMERICAN MALES! AMERICAN MALES!


    (repeat until you stick something sharp into your eardrums)

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  27. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Was the match with Punk the one where Punk wore a mask?

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  28. I laud Ricky Martin for the outbreak of gay in the late 90s.

    He's fab!

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  29. Don't forget modern family!

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  30. They had two really good PPV matches besides the too short Mania match. I know they had really good I-C match where Punk nailed him hard with the GTS

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  31. That dude annoyed me in the Daily Update thread. Nice to see he went on to get himself banned, too.


    Party on, Bayless! Keep bringing the goods!

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  32. Rey's first PPV match against Angle is awesome.

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  33. I will match that offer. Now you get *2* upvotes!

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  34. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:36 PM

    I said good, not great. It's not like when I think of him I think classic match. He was in good matches with some quality opponents, but they weren't 5 star classics to me. The closest ones wee with Eddie. Just my opinion.

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  35. A broken clock is right twice a day, a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, and MELTZER sometimes falls ass first into the truth! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  36. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    But can he save his social life?

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  37. You just don't like Rey Mysterio

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  38. The OBSERVER is a lot like toilet paper. Good for keeping MELTZER'S ass covered but not much else! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  39. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    I have no problem with him. I just don't recall seeing him in a classic. I'll watch the matches that were mentioned in this thread when I get home. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

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  40. The tag team match may be the best tag team match I've ever seen. I may be forgetting a better match, so someone please let me know if they know of a better tag team match.

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  41. Because Verne thought the muscle-bound guys were "special attractions" and not worthy of getting the top spot. Guys like Bockwinkel and Hnasen were all the rage, apparently.

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  42. Verne was too far behind the times and he severely underestimated the drawing power he had with Hogan. He was never going to give Hogan his due worth.


    So he gives Hogan the belt. He might stick around the AWA for a little bit longer, but Vince is still going to throw giant sacks of money at him and he's jumping to the WWF anyway.

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  43. I think Vince would's sold his testicles and Shane in a basket to bring Hogan over. And Vince would spring for the basket.

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  44. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Are you familiar with the work of the Midnight Express or Rock and Roll Express? They pumped out classic matches on the regular in their feud.

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  45. Nope, I'm not that old. Born in 1986, started watching wrestling around 1993.

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  46. Really? I'd figure his wife would have hooves.

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  47. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    They are worth watching if you get the chance. Right now I'll be digging up old Rey matches and watching them until Impact comes on.

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  48. are any of them on wwe network?

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  49. Yeah, back then, Strike Force were considered "transitional" champs, even though they held the belts for like 6 months.

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  50. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Don't know. I was going to check on youtube.

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  51. You are probably right I just wonder if he had gone all in with his balding golden goose..what would have happened. I seem to remember Scott saying someone like JYD or Snuka or someone else could have filled in for Hulk but I don't think had someone that could have taken Hulks place till they got macho....MAYBE Mr. Wonderful

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  52. ok I might look. Now that I think of it, I might rate the Canadian Stampede main event above Rey and Edge vs Angle and Benoit. But I still consider it a fantastic match.

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  53. and with that....Girls in Cars is stuck in my head.

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  54. Considering what happened when Hansen had the belt, Verne regrets that one too, I bet.

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  55. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Who is purple monkey dishwater and why did he call to end the streak? Does he have that much stroke with Vince?

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  56. Vince would have thrown so much money at Hogan that Ted DiBiase would have been called the Layaway Man.

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  57. That's what I assumed.

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  58. Worse for the company: Hansen or Larry Land? (I am NOT going to f up his last name)

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  59. None of the above, I choose Otto Wanz. At least Verne was (allegedly) smart enough to let Otto PAY HIM for the title reign.

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  60. They could have turned Slaughter face early and given him a shot.

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  61. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Taker and his "brother" go out in a final hurrah.

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  62. Your_Favourite_LoserApril 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    BOOMER SOONER
    BOOMER SOONER
    BOOMER SOONER

    what a mark!

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  63. Thinking more about "what if Verne wasn't wearing 'Color Me Stupid' and kept Hogan", the AWA already had a TV deal with ESPN, they had marketable names, and they could've boosted Sly Stallone to do some cross-promotional work with him right after Rocky 3.

    In short, Verne had the structure, but screwed up in a such a collossal fashion, it made the captain of the Exxon Valdez look like Captain Kirk.

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  64. Your_Favourite_LoserApril 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    ironmike?

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  65. I see what you did they there.

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  66. I remember that. What a waste.
    Imagine of Outback Jack had paid for a title reign.

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  67. Undertaker vs Rey, RR10?

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  68. Hopefully we won't look back at WrestleMania XXX as another boneheaded missed opportunity to put the belt on Hogan for mainstream exposure. WWE could've hung on to the LARGEST BACK in the world, and he'd dog paddle them, backstroke all of them to safety.

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  69. Oh, that must mean it's good.

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  70. I'd never seen the guy before a few days ago, when he showed up in a "Guys who slammed Andre" montage I was looking at on YouTube...


    PN News with the AWA title, folks.

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  71. JYD and Snuka were super-over, but Hogan was "once in a lifetime, Ray Charles could see he was over" over.

    It'd be like if the Attitude Era was headed by Razor Ramon. Still over, though not as impactful.

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  72. Paul will ride the streak beating train until he dies.

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  73. Part of what made that era so successful is that Vince also saw business opportunities that no one else saw. His production values were the best, he understood how to make a 'big-time event' like WM happen, and he understood how to get his wrestlers out there for promotion on a national scale. Wasn't Hulk the first pro wrestler on the cover of Sports Illustrated?

    Verne might have done good business, but he wouldn't have understood how to go to the next level. Vince was young enough to get it.

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  74. The first match I ever saw in person was Scotty Riggs vs. Jerry Flynn at a Thunder taping. 1999 WCW at its finest!

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  75. Yeah, it's one of those "all or nothing" things. Had Verne not been so clueless, I think it would've been darn near impossible to bring Hogan to the WWF. Instead, we get to see Verne endlessly deny that what he did was a mistake, sort of like refusing to marry Jessica Alba pre-herp if she showed up at your front door in a wedding dress.

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  76. It's porridge grammar I tell ya.

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  77. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    A Hogan vs. Stan Hansen match would have been money.

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  78. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    If fed the right opponents Hogan would have been big in the AWA, but as I mentioned before that was where Vince was smart.

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  79. It WAS!*
    *In Japan, actually.

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  80. Well I learned that I was the only one who didn't know about Jessica Alba today.

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  81. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    In Hogan's book (take it for what it's worth) he said that Gagne was making knockoff Hulkamania shirts and not giving any of the profits. I know this was probably before merchandising but that is still fucked up.

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  82. I love watching Hogan in Japan, he was like a different wrestler. He would chain wrestle, do shit like enzuguris. Crazy.

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  83. 5 Stars is tough to crack, but I'd go with some Smackdown Six matches (No Mercy, specifically), Juventud in ECW, Psychosis in 96 (or any year, really), Eddie in 1997, Angle in 2002, Jericho in mid 2009, Punk in mid 2010, and Cena in 2011 are all matches that immediately come to mind as memorable and going 4 stars or more.

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  84. Taker's first PPV opponent after WM 13 was a guy who was in a tag match at Mania... And Austin's first PPV opponent after WM 14 was a guy who was in a tag match at Mania... (fun fact: Mick Foley both times)

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  85. Maybe one would have been Vince's avatar, and the other one would have been HHH's avatar!

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  86. There are some beauties here today. I truly believe there are some people here who are not able to comprehend what they read

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  87. He was the most innovative high flyer of all-time.

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  88. That's like taking an all-you-can-eat restaurant and surrounding it with sewage.

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  89. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    Rumor is she got it from Jeter who is like Typhod Mary with that shit.

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  90. John Cena's first feud after Mania last year was against Ryback.


    I think Bryan got the better end of the stick.

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  91. LIGHTNING FOOT!!!!!!!!

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  92. I remember thinking, wow a heel turn! No, just stupid booking. They should have done the "reviving legdrop" at BATB 96. After Hogan comes down and drops the leg on Savage, he pops up, hulk up, beats the shit out of the Outsiders and pins Nash with the Savage elbow and one boot on Nash's chest. Here's the NWO!

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  93. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    See this is what I get for trying to follow 'wrestling" and look up classic Rey Misterio matches.
    You miss this gem.

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  94. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    I blame rap music.

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  95. Great read, but what's an H-Bomb?


    Also, I think you wrote 'mask' instead of 'match' up there somewhere

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  96. And you surprisingly didn't post most of them.


    BURN!

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  97. "He said that he was shocked to learn that they had a following in the gay community because he was pulling so many chicks after the shows"



    One of my best friends in high school was absolutely OBSESSED with the American Males, although I think he preferred Bagwell to Riggs. I had an Apter mag with the Males in at that mysteriously disappeared one day.


    Dude came out as gay the summer after we graduated high school. None of us were really surprised...

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  98. EVERYBODY'S GOT A PRICE (and a reasonable monthly plan)!

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  99. Nicely done with this recap, by the way. Much more interesting than I thought it would be, given the subject.


    I still have no desire to rewatch any American Males tag matches (that theme song was obnoxious), but Riggs seems like a good dude.

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  100. NFN, but that sounds like a Verne thing to do.

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  101. Something about giving GHB to chicks.

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  102. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    I wonder how he 'd feel if he saw how Riggs looked now?

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  103. Wasn't he also the first guy to take Raven's drop toe hold into the chair too? Giving him the eye patch gimmick for the rest of his career, IIRC.

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  104. Probably the same way anyone who used to be attracted to him feels.

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  105. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    No. He did it all the time in ECW and Raven's first match in WCW was against Stevie Richards who took it in the match.

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  106. Crap, where's my VHS copy of Piledriver: The Wrestling Album II?

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  107. Jef Vinson (Homewreckers Inc™)April 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Just watched the Pscisosis from ECW. Didn't think it was classic. I remember a Nitro match that was better.

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  108. Didn't Hogan go to the AWA because Vince Sr. didn't want him to do Rocky 3 at all? It seems like Verne wasn't the only one who wasn't looking to the future. It's probably good that VKM bought his dad out.

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  109. Verne still thought it was a sport. Midwestern wrestling in general never had a massive babyface superstar to its great detriment. Also detrimental was the fact that guys like Verne and Wally Karbo were so out of touch they couldn't tell you who Michael Jackson was.

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  110. I'm so tired of the anti observer sentiment. Especially became its based on anything and harbored by people who have obviously never read one issue of WON.

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  111. Its when you drop a Halcyon into someone's drink so they get fucked up and pass out

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  112. People who've never read an issue of the observer criticizing Dave Meltzer for no reason. I'd say you could skip this one and be better off*for it.

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  113. Get ahold of him Asap and let him know buff bagwell is available to stuff!

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  114. That's always the strangest thing. I had some dude troll me on a weeks old thread and it totally threw me for a loop.

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  115. That barbarian story is awesome.

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  116. Brian - Do you have a text snippet which automatically enters "Rey Mysterio UpdateRey Mysterio is currently out of action with "?

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  117. The Love-Matic Grampa!April 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    http://www.citypages.com/2010-10-06/news/dale-gagne-wrestles-with-the-truth/

    No idea what he's doing now, though.

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  118. If Verne puts over Hogan, Hogan still leaves. Verne just didn't have the capital to compete with a guy who controlled all the big East Coast cities. He'd have had to cut flotsam like the Crusher and Karbo to even think of consolidating his business. He was too old and Greg was too dumb. There was no business acumen in that group.

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  119. Sad TJ: Stonecrusher aka the sick kid who is a huge Daniel Bryan fan probably won't be around much longer. The hits just keep on rooming for Bryan.

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  120. I pray there's a Riggs story behind the (in)famous spot where Bagwell held up a near-dead Riggs and mockingly made him do the American Males "clap".


    (It WAS Bagwell, right? Because that's his career highlight if so.)

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  121. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryApril 24, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Hey man, its not my fault I've been at work all day. You hear me? IT WASN'T MY FAULT.

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  122. Your_Favourite_LoserApril 24, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    i asked b/c i thought when someone got banned, all posts disappear, but his are still below

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  123. They had one... the problem was Verne was OLD, and Greg looked like an idiot next to papa. Or the majority of the AWA roster, for that matter.

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  124. Your_Favourite_LoserApril 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    where do you see that? one of the local news sites? i checked a few of them and don't see anything

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  125. Bryan USES THE KNEE even better than HHH!

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  126. I know the kid's mom. She posted an update about him on FB.

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  127. Zbyszko's not the hardest name to spell, once you learn it. Learning it, like any Polish name, is a pain in the ass on a good day.

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  128. I don't think his husband would appreciate that.

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  129. One thing you could say about Test, his big moves looked great (Big Boot, Flying Elbow, Meltdown).

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  130. The ECW/coke/fired bit....total bullshit or semantics bullshit where "if you fail a test you're out" and they just never test you or doctor it up enough like WWE's "wellness"?

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  131. The Ghost of Faffner HallApril 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    I have never done ecstasy in my life, but if it meant a game of strip poker with Kimberly Page, I would probably make an exception. (especially if it was Kimberly circa 1998 or so, when she still looked like a human being.)

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  132. Hard Drugs are bad, mm'kay?

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  133. Considering ECW employed NEW JACK... Total and Utter Bullshit.

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  134. The Ghost of Faffner HallApril 24, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    Though I think Vince would still make the exception if you were a big enough name and could make the right appearance. Aside from Cornette, no one is more full of vitriol than Honky Tonk Man, and he still shows up on Raw from time to time. I imagine Corny would be back too, if the right reason for an appearance came along.

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  135. Only other one besides me....I didn't know til just now!

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  136. Try finding the match he had with Morrison for the IC title on Smackdown in 2009. It's a fantastic free TV match.

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  137. I didn't like the Meltdown but the Big Boot and Flying Elbow were winners.

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  138. It was WCW, not ECW. My mistake

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  139. I like to think Brian put on an elbow pad, then turned it over to the red side before dropping him with the bullh- i mean, BAN-HAMMER.

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  140. If you ban retroactively they all disappear. I didn't do that. I might even lift the ban but he want going to stop today, that was clear

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  141. That's way more believable.

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  142. Greg gets a lot of shit, but he was a solid wrestler. He could hold his own in the ring on all ends. Problem was, he didn't look the part of a wrestler in the 80s (or possibly any era). But for that matter, neither did most of the AWA.

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  143. Shit. Yeah, that was a douchebag move by the Hulkster.

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  144. this copied post is straight from a Dave Meltzer post on another wrestling site from 2006 (you can google it yourself)

    Verne never "screwed up" by not offering Hogan the title.

    Hogan was offered the title and turned it down. There were political issues at the time. The AWA championship was part of a deal with Gagne and All Japan Pro Wrestling. Hogan had his own deal with New Japan Pro Wrestling. Gagne could have switched sides (and apparently it was talked about) and allowed Hogan to go to New Japan as AWA champ, but Hogan turned down switching to All Japan (which was the less popular company at the time, although that changed a year plus later).

    Gagne wanted his booking fee and Hogan, who was making top dollar from New Japan, didn't want Gagne getting a cut.

    In the end, Hogan turned down the title. It was best for all concerned. When Vince came calling, no way Hogan would have done a job on the way out. Whether Hogan would have wanted to be professional is speculative, but Vince wanted the top guys to walk out without doing jobs (some guys, like Steamboat, refused to do it) on the way out so there would be no tape to show of Hogan losing. If Hogan was AWA champ, he was not staying when Vince made the call.

    Either way Verne was screwed, but had he made Hogan AWA champ, he'd have been screwed more. Plus, he still had his money from Baba.

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  145. Can't believe I missed a good ole homo-bashing argument.

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  146. The Love-Matic Grampa!April 24, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    I never knew the AWA did a "Hulk Hogan leaves the AWA forever!" angle right before Hulk Hogan left the AWA forever?

    The ironing is delicious.

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  147. Dedicated UnderachieverApril 24, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    Why does everyone keep on insisting that Verne refused to put the title on Hulk?


    I know that was the widely believed history but on the AWA DVD put out by the WWE Hulk clearly states he refused to the title over Verne wanting a cut of his Japanese merchandise sales. Because of that we had the whole stupid finish.

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  148. Dedicated UnderachieverApril 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Comdukakis beatt me to the punch.

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  149. Really that is very interesting and obviously would have been a disaster at some point but you can see why they would have tried him.

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  150. Yeah but Kane wasn't wearing his mask then... duhhh

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  151. Gotcha, thanks.

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  152. Think I'm going to start my journey through any and all ECW I can get my hands on. I have ...through unspecific means. Most of the 93 episodes before the first one the network has up and some of the pre PPV big shows...So I think I'll start with ECW Episode 1.

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  153. On Austin's podcast, Michael Hayes talks about how he wouldn't program the Birds and the Road Warriors cause they were both heels. The crowds were of course behind the Road Warriors.

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  154. Whether or not Verne refused to give the title to Hogan or declined to give the title to Hogan because he wasn't going to get a cut of Japanese merch sales, he's still a fucking idiot. He should have gladly let Hogan have his way on that one, put the belt on him, and take a Scrooge McDuck money bath when all was said and done.

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  155. This is true. Vince Sr wanted his boys to be "wrestlers, not actors."

    It's probably a good thing for Vince that he bought out his dad. If he's even waited like a year later someone else would have been driving them out of business.

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  156. I didn't think Verne had the espn deal until will into the Hogan/WWF era, like 85 or 86?

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  157. The problem wasn't that Greg wasn't solid; it's that he was pushed beyond the bounds of sanity.

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  158. Hansen killed it and Zbyszko was champion for a company everyone knew was already dead.

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  159. Greg was a fine wrestler.

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  160. I'd keep watching to see if the price drops.

    They only sell out half the shows in NYC in advance. The last one they did because WM was in Jersey that weekend. There was no reason to anticipate demand that high.

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  161. I agree. it just makes it funnier that WWE folks won't acknowledge how cutting-edge Bischoff was in the mid-'90s. Getting wrestlers regularly booked on the Tonight Show, Entertainment Tonight and so forth was huge.

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  162. I don't want him to actually hirt guys.

    Regal didn't--but it LOOKED lile he did.

    The yes lock looks WAY better, even though Bryan is less imposing physically. I'm not gonna give the top star a pass for being loose. It's laziness.

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  163. Yeah, I have all of 93-somewhere in 97 (I don't remember how far into 1997 I have), and just about all of their "supershows"/VHS shows.

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  164. At another live NXT taping tonight. They announced earlier today that they are doing another live special on the network May 29th.

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  165. It's true. I remember the IC title at least being featured right up until the raw "supershows" and then it was a nothing

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  166. WWF seemed like the only company/territory at that time that generally avoided false finishes. Or, if they delivered, they didn't overdo them. Both AWA and NWA talked themselves out of huge potential draws due to their obsession with "The Chase," failing to recognize that the move was to pull the trigger on Hogan and Luger, respectively (just one example).

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  167. The mish mash of Jericho--Mysterio--JBL--John Morison having the IC title was good too

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  168. I'd let to get my hands on more but I no longer have a PW account and it's been hard to find stuff.

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  169. And not believable above the midcard, IMO. Other than daddy, I can't think of one promoter who would have put Greg in a main event.

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  170. Just assume every mid carder to roll through WWE was IC champ at some point and that's basically the same thing.

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  171. Correct. The AWA on ESPN began in September 1985, and ended sometime in 1990. Not even Wiki can pin down a date of death.


    However, Wiki is also missing the "highlights" of 1990, mainly the best of the Team Challenge matches. Like noted racist Col. DeBeers fighting noted for nothing Jake Milliman over an uncooked turkey. In an empty, salmon-walled room. (Not actual fish, but the color salmon.)

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  172. If Vince didn't do it, it doesn't count. ALWAYS remember that, when seeing WWE's reaction to stuff.

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  173. We'd get Dusty hosting Thtarrcade 30, daddy.

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  174. yeah watching the 1988-1990 NWA I've been watching, seeing Luger lose time and time again is just exhausting. Truth is the guy was hugely over as a face and a heel and at least on ppv was having some solid matches. His promos weren't half bad either. They could have pulled the trigger for a face run or heel run as champ long before the fiasco that was GAB 91.

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  175. Oops, my bad. Maybe that was just the first time I saw it (or the first time I saw it put someone out).

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  176. and, you could even got a few "bigger" matches out of it: "Cena, you'll KNOW it's over once I hit you with the [whatever]" (and even if Cena would win that match. as long as he only countered the setup for the finisher and didn't kick out of it, you can either build to a rematch or go on with that gimmick in the midcard)

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  177. "To me, a 'protected' finisher means that if the move is hit, it's an automatic pin [...]"



    did anyone ever kick out after Orton's punt? (maybe Cena?)

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  178. He was trying to do that so far across the ring. Billy Kidman used to drag them two feet away from the corner.

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  179. So, when does Superstars come on then?

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  180. Have we seen the Cattle Mutilation in WWE at all?

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  181. That was King of the Ring 2002 and Jericho was lucky it was mild because the match was outright bad. He and RVD was one of those "On paper" matchups that never seemed to have any chemistry in practice.

    How come RVD, super flexible gymnast took the pussy boston crab version of the walls?

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  182. "Usually involves John Cena."

    or Hogan, twentyfive or so years ago.

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  183. another of those many parallels between Cena and The Rock.

    Cena's STF = Rock's sharpshooter (huge difference though: I can't recall Rock ever winning a match with it)

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  184. Mister_E_Studd_Got100ProblemsApril 24, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    I like this guy.

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  185. Yeah but Vince did all that stuff first. Bischoff was just copying the McMahon playbook.

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  186. Genetically, paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me. Now that is scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it, but it is scientific fact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng

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  187. I am kind of glad that happened the way it did. because otherwise I fear he would have used it more often, making it more likely to go wrong with lot worse results.

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  188. *insert daily complain about lack of Prime Time*

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  189. In the 24/7 live chat with WWE Network and asked them about adding Prime Time episodes since my e-mail never received a response.

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  190. After watching this shoot, I really came away liking the guy. He seems very easy going and genuinely loved what he did and was not bitter at all

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  191. so be honst don't you have a lot already. You seem like someone that would have put a few bucks down on some prime time tapes.

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  192. "A belt with the title "world heavyweight championship" should never be a second tier belt [...]"


    especially when it not only has a better name but looks a lot more "precious" than the supposed "more valuable" title.

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  193. I have none. I had 1990, but not anymore.

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  194. ""We don't have any time frame on when it will be added but we guarantee you that you will be receiving an update via email. Thank you.""

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  195. thats one those "pros" of the brand split: they needed to fill payperviews so they at least had to have the midcard do SOMETHING.

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  196. This right here.

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