When/how did Jake turn face? I know he was a face by Mania, but how did they accomplish that? I was just 3 at the time, so I have little memory of that.
Watching Jake's promos, I wonder how much of it he thought up beforehand and how much was off the cuff. How anyone can come up with his analogies and metaphors on the fly is beyond me. "If you plant grass, you grow grass. If you plant rice, you grow rice. I plant fear, and fear will GROW!"
I watched that beatdown on Youtube a couple of years back and I couldnt believe wwe did that and that Lita agreed to do it. Lita taking that beatdown is the main reason why I have far more respect for Lita as a wrestler then I do Trish as a wrestler.
Yeah, and there's not really anyone for them to go with besides Kane anyway. *Maybe* Sheamus, but they've already missed the boat a while ago on making him a heel threat.
You can't just hotshot Cesaro to the top, they should wait to bring out Brock, Cena and the Wyatts are still feuding, and they're clearly trying to elevate the Shield by pitting them against Evolution. Kane at least makes sense, because he 1) is part of The Authority and thus ties into the overarching storyline and 2) has a history with Bryan.
I swear to God, if Bryan's first major challenger for his WWE Title is Kane then his reign is DOA. It won't be intentional, but the focus of the show will shift from Bryan to Evolution and The Shield. Bryan might get a rematch with Orton, or a singles match with Batista, but it will be an afterthought in the bigger Authority story.
If they were going to pay up and get the top guys, sure. Without that, all he had was Booker T. and DDP in that "shitload" of brand new guys. No Hogan, Flair, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, Sting, Steiner, etc.
And it's not like the company had the Shield do something like that to Evolution, or Bryan making fun of Kane. It was a bit jarring that they'd have Cena go back to stuff like that but maybe it's just a "I have to laugh so I don't panic" thing.
They should really just shoot like two months of vignettes where Brock mercilessly mocks The Undertaker, WWE fans, the Internet and acts like a massive jerk, talking about his hot wife and his endorsement deals. It will become grating to keep seeing it week after week after week, but that would be the point. It would keep him on TV, (likely) wouldn't burn through his appearances since they're pre-taped and drive the fans nuts. You then have him appear at a PPV, get interrupted by a "friend of Bryan's" who Brock mauls, then start the Bryan feud into SummerSlam as he stands up for his buddy.
So if Bryan has PPV matches against Orton and Batista, that's pre-emptively not good enough?
Bryan vs The Authority (of which Kane is a member) is the main storyline. And The Shield are fucking awesome, why is it bad that they're a major part of the story?
Disagree. What the fans wanted isn't just for Bryan to win the title but for him to be "the guy." Imagine if Austin beat HBK and then went onto feud with Marc Mero while Undertaker and Vince was the Marquee. A Kane feud isn't death and not until won't hurt him but it's not doing him any favors either.
When Austin won the title, he was still facing off primarily against McMahon even when he was in the ring against Foley. Hunter, the company's top heel, isn't focused on him anymore; he's focused on punishing The Shield. Bryan will be sharing the top spot instead of owning it.
The last couple of weeks it's been "We need Kane and Bryan to fight and acknowledge Team Hell No." Now it's "Bryan shouldn't fight Kane because it'll kill his reign."
Well... I know Vince was involved, but Austin's first 2 PPV title defenses were against Mick Foley, who was fresh off a tag team feud with the New Age Outlaws... You don't wanna blow your wad on the first Post WM PPV. The big names will still be there.
If I were in his shoes and knew I had that gift that was going to make me money, I'd make sure I was traveling with someone who didn't mind doing all the driving, then carry a pen and notepad with me everywhere.
I never said the former. If they were going to fight, it should have been back in the fall. No one cares about that feud anymore. Libertarian Kane isn't threatening in the least.
You realize Bryan wasn't on the show last night, right? Yet the heels still talked about him a lot. Orton and Batista clearly stated that their #1 goal in life is to win Bryan's title.
HHH said that the biggest problem with The Shield is that they'd never let them get near the champ. Stephanie recruited Kane specifically to destroy Daniel Bryan.
Stephanie/HHH/Batista/Orton are still very clearly focused on getting Daniel Bryan. He's at the center of the sprawling main storyline. It's OK.
Bullshit. An Orton singles match is justified. They've wrestled like thirty times already, but from a booking standpoint it's the only match that makes sense. Why would Orton just agree to wrestle The Shield when he's guaranteed a rematch?
My concern isn't right now, it's a month from now. The feud will start with this as the focus then degenerate into something other than what was intended. Bryan will end fighting a bunch of random guys while Evolution and The Shield go to war.
I'm with you. I like the evolution stuff but was shocked they didn't go back to Orton/Bryan for this ppv. You can still do the evolution stuff and go Bryan/Orton
...and both of those matches were about Vince manipulating Foley to get the belt off of Austin. One of those two matches involved Vince and his entire crew of minions actively trying to screw Austin DURING the match.
I very much doubt a month from now Bryan's gonna be fighting Jack Swagger and have nothing to do with the main storyline.
Again, HE WASN'T ON THE SHOW LAST NIGHT. Yet everyone in the Authority talked about him as their main focus. They're looking at The Shield as obstacles between them and Daniel Bryan.
It's gonna be a whole summer of Bryan vs Orton/Batista title matches. There's absolutely zero wrong with Bryan getting a strong win against Kane first.
I don't even mind bringing Evolution into it if they were going to do an eight-man tag. It doesn't have to be War Games, but you can still have a wild brawl at the top of the card. Most of your PPV-buying audience is using the Network now so they can experiment with the format. Not everything has to be singles match at the top now.
On a similar topic, for the life of me, I never figured out why they made HHH vs Jericho the main event of WM X8 and not HHH vs Austin. That seemed like most logical match, and would have been the only match that could have come anywhere close to getting the reaction Hulk vs Rock got. Im sure it would have been a much better match than HHH and Jericho fighting over dog crap. And if they wanted to do something with the Outsiders at WM, they could have given them the Hardys or the Dudleys. Both were hot at the time.
Since people are going to ask what the anti-Kane crowd wanted out of these next few months, here:
Bryan should have beat Orton and Batista in successive months. The Shield gets involved in both matches to the extent that they prevent any interference, allowing Bryan to get clean wins over both guys. This ticks off Triple H, building to an Evolution vs. Shield Summerslam match. To cover Bryan, Hunter makes a deal with the devil and recruits Brock through Heyman to get the belt off Bryan because Brock did what Hunter couldn't by ending the streak. So at Summerslam, you have two insane marquee matches in Bryan vs. Brock for the WWE Title and Evolution vs. The Shield. If that still isn't enough, you can either throw some money at Sting so he can Cena can team up or run Cena vs. Cesaro. Regardless, it establishes Bryan as the guy, still builds to The Shield vs Evolution and we don't get Kane wrestling for a major World Title in 2014.
Bryan wasn't on the show last night yet all the top heels still talked about him. The Shield were discussed as being obstacles standing between the heels and Bryan.
The overarching feud for the summer is still basically Team Bryan vs Team Authority, with all the heels wanting the championship.
If I had that gift, I wouldn't waste it in pro wrestling. I'd go make millions of dollars in public speaking or become the dictator of a small country with lots of hot women.
It's still basically a summer of Bryan vs The Authority in title matches, with The Shield vs The Authority also happening.
Including Extreme Rules there are four PPVs between now and Summerslam. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bryan gettinga PPV win over the monster Kane while the Batista/Orton/HHH (whom Bryan just beat in one night) gain a little momentum against The Shield.
They have 4 PPVs to fill before whatever happens at Summerslam. There's zero wrong with Bryan getting a win over a veteran in front of a hot crowd in jersey that's gonna go apeshit for him no matter who he's fighting.
And that's STILL there more PPVs to fill with Bryan vs Orton & Batista matches.
If Triple H really wants to get back at The Shield invoked the "30 day rule" and strip Dean Ambrose of that US Title he hasn't defended in well over 30 days.
You keep using the word monster to describe Kane, I do not think it means what you think it means. He has the title Director of Operations. He dresses like a slightly more aggressive IRS. He is not a monster.
Yeah, a bunch of mid-carders turning into Jake's creepy followers. Skinner comes to mind as a candidate. A heel-turned Jim Duggan could have been interesting as well.
I loved that Cena bit. Not because it was clever or great storytelling or anything. Just because it is stuff like that that will make people want to see Bray murder Cena in the cage match. It's a weird dynamic where the more Cena acts like a goofy babyface, the more over Bray will be if he beats Cena bloody in the cage.
To this day, I wonder how the Austin heel turn would've gone over if WM17 had been anywhere besides Houston (or Texas, really). As noted by other posters, Austin was the homestate hero and nobody would've booed him that night....if WM happens to be in, say, Toronto or Seattle year instead of Houston, maybe the turn goes over better and the angle gets off to a much hotter start.
but doesn't it make you want to see Bray kill him even more now? It's a bizarre "babyface-as-obnoxious heel" dynamic that will probably get Wyatt even more over if he wins the cage match
The Shield and Daniel Bryan are going to be in the top two matches and the Wyatts and Cesaro will probably be sprinkled in matches 3-5. I'm pretty cool with stuff right now.
He's putting on the mask and the whole get up, which the crowd pops for like they always do. It's one show where Bryan gets a decisive win in what should be a fun gimmicked up street fight against a huge veteran that Stephanie McMahon is basically managing.
" they're making an overt effort to make the IC title matter now"
Agreed with you except for this point. A 1-week, 2-week, or a month-long tournament isn't an "overt effort". If they're still pushing it in 6 months, then I'll agree, but I have no more faith in WWE reestablishing the IC title to anything than I have in TNA reestablishing the X-Division.
Remember when they were "rebuilding the tag division"? And they did a great job of it, for about 6 months. Now we're on the Usos holding the belts after the Old Age Outlaws killed them (the belts, not the Usos) dead. They just broke up the Real Americans, the Rhodes brothers had all their heat sucked from them, the Shield isn't really in the running any more. So who does that leave? The Usos, Los Matadores, and Rybaxel? Not really the stellar tag division we're clamoring for.
Else where in this thread I expressed my concern that this could be leading to Bryan being another 1st time champion not getting the Champion focus...however we will have to see how this plays out because I feel there certainly are worse things they could do than to give us a breather from Bryan vs HHH/Orton and to an extent boo-tista. Bryan beat them all and won the day lets see what they do with this.
While I love dramatic title matches where I buy all the near falls, I also kind of want to watch a Daniel Bryan PPV title match where I'm pretty confident that he's holding on to the title. The kids who grew up loving Hogan got that, but I never really have.
I'd bet that US title ends up on whatever new Evolution recruit (I'd put money on Sheamus ina heel turn, or Bad News Barrett) helps Evolution win the six-man at Extreme Rules.
YUP. I'm going to the show, and while it'd be amazing to watch a 30-min classic where I'm buying all the near falls, it's also fun to go there knowing that my favorite guy is gonna whup someone's ass.
Watch some of the old school shows on the Network sometime...there is so much casual racism it's crazy. Heenan goes off and calls Mr. Fuji "eggroll" at one point.
During a Celtics/Rockets game a few years back, Yao Ming got whacked on the hand and was a bit shaken up. Tommy Heinsohn yelled "Those were his chopstick fingers!" It was pretty awkward.
So yeah, this game is a thing that exists. I seriously thought this was an elaborate rib on Nintendo executives when I first saw it, but this is real. This definitely falls into "macabre advertising that coerces people into buying the product to figure out what the hell is going on.
I agree with you. I don't get all the hate for this show. Is it just because Bryan wasn't there? Because I thought the tournament was well done with Barrett/Ziggler being very good, I'd give it (***) and then putting the Shield on the same level as Evolution is nothing but a good thing. The tournament is there to put Ceasaro over pretty strong and will hopefully lead to a Sheamus/Barrett stiff-fest next week.
The only thing I really didnt like was Cena's Jokey promo but the Wyatt's atleast cut him down for it. If it leads to The Wyatts locking Cena in the cage and doing a Dusty/Horseman style beatdown that leads to Cena being off TV for a while then Im all for it.
I can't take anything Kane does seriously after seeing how fucking butt ugly his wife is. Yeah sure Bryan fucked up and will be kicking over half his wwe cash in five years to the non tits twin, but at least you know he doesn't fuck the swamp thing.
Bryan's run will probably be a lot like punks, which is fine expect instead of cena on top it will be the unbearable hhh. Thank god for DVR and the network. Also thank god for hhh, because with the NBA playoffs starting soon I'm actually glad I won't need to waste my time watching raw for awhile.
I find the Bella twin Bryan ended up with (Brie?) to be the prettier of the two. Also, I know it's a joke but does it matter how butt ugly Kane's wife is? I mean, if he's happy, good for him.
Doesn't Jake blame that guitar shot for starting him down the path of taking way too many pills? I seem to remember him harping on that during his Pick Your Poison DVD.
Besides, who cares, extreme rules is now free. I'm fine with this kind of slop on the plate looking for b shows. However I can't get into this until hhh pisses off. He's had his little run, now go away, the show does not need him at all. And frankly theres tons of guys that could work with reigns at summerslam, including Batista, cena, Orton, or big show so really he should just job to the shield and go back to front office work.
No version of Monopoly changes the names of the corner spaces, no matter how thematic it might be. It's kind of irritating, but then again it's also Monopoly so it's not like I'm ever going to play again.
Here's the Snake Pit segment that aired, the DDT was apparently edited off: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8rpe5_the-snake-pit-with-hulk-hogan-as-gu_sport
However, there were markets (maybe just Providence?) that got clips of a Hogan/Roberts match that may be what people are remembering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLeDd1-oGr4
I agree. And besides, from what I've read people being lukewarm on Austin facing Dude Love at first, though that probably had more do with him being announced 2 weeks before the show and being the lame duck of Foley's gimmicks.
I actually see no difference between them other than the fake fits. I find them both obnoxious as on air characters, but every single relationship in wrestling ends well so at least Bryan seems smart to marry another fellow carny.
As far as Kane's wife, I'm just saying her ugliness may actually the shittyness of Kane's wrestling ability.
That's a joke. Kane is one of the worst dudes they've ever employed. Almost all his matches suck. I don't doubt Bryan can squueze something out of that stiff but those Austin vs Foley matches were all time classics.
1)so 2)I don't have any interest in watching another year of the hhh show. I get it. He's the best ever. OK cool, now put something more interesting on. (Or not, I'll still watch the free ppvs, either live or when I get them in a few months)
It's an understandable fear, but I don't think it'll be like that. Like I said earlier, they've clearly established Bryan as the top guy to an extent they never did, or even intimated they were going to, with Punk. Besides, Bryan is still centrally involved in the top storyline. I wouldn't overreact too much to one show he was never supposed to be on.
(By the way, HHH is supposed to be unbearable. He's the bad guy.)
If I'm wrong, so be it, but if the worst-case scenario for his run is being like Punk's I can live with it.
A lot of the Austin-Foley matches were stuff that they could never recreate with Kane, and I've pretty much always hated Kane, but that particular Dude Love-Austin match was like 60% Stooges and Vince fucking with Austin and Austin making them all look like fools. I think they could do that with Kane and the Authority.
Right. I'm just saying I'm over the evil authority/hhh storyline. Its been eight months and its been blown off. Also I went through evolution 1.0 (kind of) and I have no interest in a rehash even if it involves them jobbing.
I think Kane's a good worker as long as you don't have a narrow scope of what a "good worker" is. I do agree that saying it has Austin/Dude Love potential is a stretch, but I can absolutely see Bryan/Kane putting on a really entertaining, overbooked match. Their straight-up matches, the few there've been, have all been decidedly above-average.
I really don't care where they put Bryan on the card or who he wrestles. I'm just bummed out that HHH is going to be on TV for another year. If any TV show I watched re ran a 10 year old story I'd call it garbage.
Except when Cena was working the last match on the card, it was guys like Big Show, Kane, and Johnny Ace.
Triple, Orton, and Batista are working with young up and coming guys in the Shield, who kind of got short changed at Wrestlemania by working a shorter match than the Divas did.
Jake said his biggest mistake early in his wwe run as a heel was that he didn't cower enough ... he should have more cowardly moments in his matches but the DDT was such a badass move for 1987 its easy to see how the fans flipped him.
You gotta take anything any pro wrestler (especially from the 80's) says with a grain of salt. That said, Honky hit him pretty goddamn hard with that guitar and it definitely wasn't one of those Jeff Jarrett or New Jack balsa wood filled with baby powder gimmicks either. It might not have been a full on real guitar but if it was gimmicked, whoever did it did a piss poor job or thought Jake was a hell of a lot tougher than he is.
Very true, but there's a wide range of intrinsic talent required depending on the difficulty of the solo. For example, I can listen to a sax solo at a jazz club and think "given a couple years of solid practice, I could do this." But then I see Richard Grayson improvise a double fugue of the Bond theme and the Pink Panther theme and I think "how is this humanly possible?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFQcITxX9A)
If it is improvised, I put Jake's speaking ability in the latter category.
As annoying as it'd be, I'd still laugh if they did everything literally exactly the same, from Orton winning at Summerslam down to Batista winning it from HHH at WM 31.
Because Austin didn't want to put HHH over. None if the guys in the mini-tournament to unify the WWF and WCW belts at the Vengenace ppv wanted the belt, since they were just going to be a lame-duck champ waiting to put over HHH.
I think they should pull from their past for Evolution's fourth member. Someone with ties to the group already. I think it's time for a main event run for Mark Jindrack.
Becuse that was good enough to headline just about any card in earth and this isn't. That was also the culmination of several months of storyline. This isn't. Not a good comparison my friend
So random. According to historyofwwe.com - Jake wrestled Hogan only twice in 1987, in January in Providence and this match in Winnipeg.
ReplyDeleteI really miss stuff like this. So simple, yet so effective.
ReplyDeleteWhen/how did Jake turn face? I know he was a face by Mania, but how did they accomplish that? I was just 3 at the time, so I have little memory of that.
ReplyDeleteWatching Jake's promos, I wonder how much of it he thought up beforehand and how much was off the cuff. How anyone can come up with his analogies and metaphors on the fly is beyond me. "If you plant grass, you grow grass. If you plant rice, you grow rice. I plant fear, and fear will GROW!"
ReplyDeleteBryan got a win over Kane on Raw in the run-up to Wretlemania
ReplyDeleteWait I'm confused. Where is the photo shopped comedy bits and smiling? How can they possibly sell a match without those elements??
ReplyDeleteLMAO
ReplyDeleteAt this stage of his life I really don't want to see Ric Flair taking any bumps, for his safety.
ReplyDeleteI watched that beatdown on Youtube a couple of years back and I couldnt believe wwe did that and that Lita agreed to do it. Lita taking that beatdown is the main reason why I have far more respect for Lita as a wrestler then I do Trish as a wrestler.
ReplyDeleteSuck a dick
ReplyDeleteTough to stay awake through that one thanks to the never ending restholds.
ReplyDeleteHe will rename himself Abner Doubledeal and become the commisioner of Ultimate Robot Fighting.
ReplyDeleteEh, just superman punch him, and he can sell it like Fuji, just crumple up and die
ReplyDeleteHe'll roll around screaming "Oh God!".
ReplyDeleteIt'll be great until they finally beat each other to death.
ReplyDeleteRock was back by August of 2001
ReplyDeleteYou mean the "Every Asian Ever in WWF" theme.
ReplyDeleteAnd gone again less than a year later
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwEQ7bMpx-k
ReplyDeleteThat's the video. That doesn't seem like a gimmicked guitar. Ouch
Not a gimmicked guitar either. The real deal....
ReplyDeleteMy friend was at the Providence match. I remember staring at the program card in awe.
ReplyDeleteHonky claims Jake wasn't nearly as injured as he said he was after that.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and there's not really anyone for them to go with besides Kane anyway. *Maybe* Sheamus, but they've already missed the boat a while ago on making him a heel threat.
ReplyDeleteYou can't just hotshot Cesaro to the top, they should wait to bring out Brock, Cena and the Wyatts are still feuding, and they're clearly trying to elevate the Shield by pitting them against Evolution. Kane at least makes sense, because he 1) is part of The Authority and thus ties into the overarching storyline and 2) has a history with Bryan.
I swear to God, if Bryan's first major challenger for his WWE Title is Kane then his reign is DOA. It won't be intentional, but the focus of the show will shift from Bryan to Evolution and The Shield. Bryan might get a rematch with Orton, or a singles match with Batista, but it will be an afterthought in the bigger Authority story.
ReplyDeleteI know most didn't like that segment but Bray calling him out on it at least made it seem like it had a point.
ReplyDeleteCocaine is a hell of a drug.
ReplyDeletelol.
ReplyDeleteIf they were going to pay up and get the top guys, sure. Without that, all he had was Booker T. and DDP in that "shitload" of brand new guys. No Hogan, Flair, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, Sting, Steiner, etc.
ReplyDeleteAwesome. If i was better at photo shop I'd make a CM Punk in a baby carriage meme.
ReplyDeleteThere was a lot of great six and eight-man tags between Evolution and various babyfaces at that time.
ReplyDeleteGood points. I always forget about Austin's injury vs. Booker
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not like the company had the Shield do something like that to Evolution, or Bryan making fun of Kane. It was a bit jarring that they'd have Cena go back to stuff like that but maybe it's just a "I have to laugh so I don't panic" thing.
ReplyDeleteThey should really just shoot like two months of vignettes where Brock mercilessly mocks The Undertaker, WWE fans, the Internet and acts like a massive jerk, talking about his hot wife and his endorsement deals. It will become grating to keep seeing it week after week after week, but that would be the point. It would keep him on TV, (likely) wouldn't burn through his appearances since they're pre-taped and drive the fans nuts. You then have him appear at a PPV, get interrupted by a "friend of Bryan's" who Brock mauls, then start the Bryan feud into SummerSlam as he stands up for his buddy.
ReplyDeleteNeeds more cuddling.
ReplyDeleteThey run down the ENTIRE card? But why would anyone care about anything but the main event?
ReplyDeleteBeing jokey is all Cena knows and Bray essentially said, you use that as a crutch, it doesn't phase me, I'm going to kill you.
ReplyDeleteSo if Bryan has PPV matches against Orton and Batista, that's pre-emptively not good enough?
ReplyDeleteBryan vs The Authority (of which Kane is a member) is the main storyline. And The Shield are fucking awesome, why is it bad that they're a major part of the story?
Baltic Avenue must belong to TNA. You can put all the hotels you want on that street and it's still not worth anything.
ReplyDeleteDisagree. What the fans wanted isn't just for Bryan to win the title but for him to be "the guy." Imagine if Austin beat HBK and then went onto feud with Marc Mero while Undertaker and Vince was the Marquee. A Kane feud isn't death and not until won't hurt him but it's not doing him any favors either.
ReplyDeleteSeems like it's just a placeholder program.
When Austin won the title, he was still facing off primarily against McMahon even when he was in the ring against Foley. Hunter, the company's top heel, isn't focused on him anymore; he's focused on punishing The Shield. Bryan will be sharing the top spot instead of owning it.
ReplyDeleteBecause the only way to make the more despondent of Bryan fans stop distrusting Triple H, is to push Bryan as if he was 2002-era Triple H.
ReplyDeleteThat is EXACTLY how Brock should be acting. He should use WWE TV to cut promos for whatever auto body shop paid time to be on his shirts.
ReplyDeleteJust imagine Brock winking at the camera with a smile on his face saying, "...and this message was paid for by Jimmy John's!"
ReplyDeleteWhich reminds me...there were claims that the DDT angle on the Snake Pit WAS shown...just in one or two markets.
ReplyDeleteThe last couple of weeks it's been "We need Kane and Bryan to fight and acknowledge Team Hell No." Now it's "Bryan shouldn't fight Kane because it'll kill his reign."
ReplyDeleteWHICH FUCKING ONE IS IT!?!?!?
Well... I know Vince was involved, but Austin's first 2 PPV title defenses were against Mick Foley, who was fresh off a tag team feud with the New Age Outlaws... You don't wanna blow your wad on the first Post WM PPV. The big names will still be there.
ReplyDeleteIf I were in his shoes and knew I had that gift that was going to make me money, I'd make sure I was traveling with someone who didn't mind doing all the driving, then carry a pen and notepad with me everywhere.
ReplyDeleteI never said the former. If they were going to fight, it should have been back in the fall. No one cares about that feud anymore. Libertarian Kane isn't threatening in the least.
ReplyDeleteI don't think more than like 3 people ever wanted to see Kane and Bryan fight and acknowledging Team Hell No. That Shipp sailed months ago
ReplyDeleteAlso, "Rematches suck!!" and "Why can't Bryan have rematches of his WM opponents??"
ReplyDeleteThis. Plus we have this friend who frankly made it annoying to like Austin.
ReplyDeleteYou realize Bryan wasn't on the show last night, right? Yet the heels still talked about him a lot.
ReplyDeleteOrton and Batista clearly stated that their #1 goal in life is to win Bryan's title.
HHH said that the biggest problem with The Shield is that they'd never let them get near the champ.
Stephanie recruited Kane specifically to destroy Daniel Bryan.
Stephanie/HHH/Batista/Orton are still very clearly focused on getting Daniel Bryan. He's at the center of the sprawling main storyline. It's OK.
Bullshit. An Orton singles match is justified. They've wrestled like thirty times already, but from a booking standpoint it's the only match that makes sense. Why would Orton just agree to wrestle The Shield when he's guaranteed a rematch?
ReplyDeleteHis face character WAS stale.
ReplyDeleteRight but the show was revolved around Austin and it was clear he was "the guy"
ReplyDeleteBryan is gonna go on 2nd from the top
10 years ago: Evolution was all about new stars evolving beyond HHH and Flair for the future of the company.
ReplyDeleteLast night: Evolution was those stars running back to HHH for help.
Yeah, I may have just come across a particurally loud minority on that point.
ReplyDeleteMy problem with the segment is it wasn't funny. I wouldn't have had an issue otherwise.
ReplyDeleteMy concern isn't right now, it's a month from now. The feud will start with this as the focus then degenerate into something other than what was intended. Bryan will end fighting a bunch of random guys while Evolution and The Shield go to war.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you. I like the evolution stuff but was shocked they didn't go back to Orton/Bryan for this ppv. You can still do the evolution stuff and go Bryan/Orton
ReplyDeleteCena never is. I hated it until Bray no sold it, then I was fine with it.
ReplyDeleteWell John Cena's not funny. But someone thinks he's funny, so they put him out there to be funny, but to most people it's not funny. Like Dan Cook.
ReplyDelete...and both of those matches were about Vince manipulating Foley to get the belt off of Austin. One of those two matches involved Vince and his entire crew of minions actively trying to screw Austin DURING the match.
ReplyDeleteDane's even less talented brother?
ReplyDeleteHonky claims a lot of things. Of course, so does Jake. Who knows?
ReplyDeleteI very much doubt a month from now Bryan's gonna be fighting Jack Swagger and have nothing to do with the main storyline.
ReplyDeleteAgain, HE WASN'T ON THE SHOW LAST NIGHT. Yet everyone in the Authority talked about him as their main focus. They're looking at The Shield as obstacles between them and Daniel Bryan.
It's gonna be a whole summer of Bryan vs Orton/Batista title matches. There's absolutely zero wrong with Bryan getting a strong win against Kane first.
I don't even mind bringing Evolution into it if they were going to do an eight-man tag. It doesn't have to be War Games, but you can still have a wild brawl at the top of the card. Most of your PPV-buying audience is using the Network now so they can experiment with the format. Not everything has to be singles match at the top now.
ReplyDeleteOpps.
ReplyDeleteWere you mad when the Megapowers fought the Megabucks? BUT SAVAGE NEEDS TO DEFEND THE TITLE!!!!!! IT'S A PAY PER VIEW BY GOD
ReplyDeleteAnd Stephanie will probably be managing Kane against Bryan in this feud. She's directly involved in Kane "monstering up" and going after Bryan.
ReplyDeleteThis is pretty much the EXACT same thing as Austin/Mankind.
Evil authority mastermind recruits midcard heel monster to challenge the new champion.
Agreed, I'm more willing to believe the guy that got hit than the guy doing the hitting.
ReplyDeleteOn rare occasions Cena produces some good zingers.
ReplyDeleteOn a similar topic, for the life of me, I never figured out why they made HHH vs Jericho the main event of WM X8 and not HHH vs Austin. That seemed like most logical match, and would have been the only match that could have come anywhere close to getting the reaction Hulk vs Rock got. Im sure it would have been a much better match than HHH and Jericho fighting over dog crap. And if they wanted to do something with the Outsiders at WM, they could have given them the Hardys or the Dudleys. Both were hot at the time.
ReplyDeleteSince people are going to ask what the anti-Kane crowd wanted out of these next few months, here:
ReplyDeleteBryan should have beat Orton and Batista in successive months. The Shield gets involved in both matches to the extent that they prevent any interference, allowing Bryan to get clean wins over both guys. This ticks off Triple H, building to an Evolution vs. Shield Summerslam match. To cover Bryan, Hunter makes a deal with the devil and recruits Brock through Heyman to get the belt off Bryan because Brock did what Hunter couldn't by ending the streak. So at Summerslam, you have two insane marquee matches in Bryan vs. Brock for the WWE Title and Evolution vs. The Shield. If that still isn't enough, you can either throw some money at Sting so he can Cena can team up or run Cena vs. Cesaro. Regardless, it establishes Bryan as the guy, still builds to The Shield vs Evolution and we don't get Kane wrestling for a major World Title in 2014.
Bryan wasn't on the show last night yet all the top heels still talked about him. The Shield were discussed as being obstacles standing between the heels and Bryan.
ReplyDeleteThe overarching feud for the summer is still basically Team Bryan vs Team Authority, with all the heels wanting the championship.
I think it's fine.
White Dolphin
ReplyDeleteThat would have been simply amazing. I loved Jake's heel turn in '91.
ReplyDeleteIf I had that gift, I wouldn't waste it in pro wrestling. I'd go make millions of dollars in public speaking or become the dictator of a small country with lots of hot women.
ReplyDeleteOr they do it this way.
ReplyDeleteIt's still basically a summer of Bryan vs The Authority in title matches, with The Shield vs The Authority also happening.
Including Extreme Rules there are four PPVs between now and Summerslam. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bryan gettinga PPV win over the monster Kane while the Batista/Orton/HHH (whom Bryan just beat in one night) gain a little momentum against The Shield.
They have 4 PPVs to fill before whatever happens at Summerslam. There's zero wrong with Bryan getting a win over a veteran in front of a hot crowd in jersey that's gonna go apeshit for him no matter who he's fighting.
And that's STILL there more PPVs to fill with Bryan vs Orton & Batista matches.
Triple H made him at Royal Rumble 2000 though
ReplyDeleteIf Triple H really wants to get back at The Shield invoked the "30 day rule" and strip Dean Ambrose of that US Title he hasn't defended in well over 30 days.
ReplyDeleteAre you running down Barry O vs. Outback Jack?
ReplyDeleteYou keep using the word monster to describe Kane, I do not think it means what you think it means. He has the title Director of Operations. He dresses like a slightly more aggressive IRS. He is not a monster.
ReplyDeleteYeah, a bunch of mid-carders turning into Jake's creepy followers. Skinner comes to mind as a candidate. A heel-turned Jim Duggan could have been interesting as well.
ReplyDeleteBray watched this promo a couple of times.
ReplyDeleteI loved that Cena bit. Not because it was clever or great storytelling or anything. Just because it is stuff like that that will make people want to see Bray murder Cena in the cage match. It's a weird dynamic where the more Cena acts like a goofy babyface, the more over Bray will be if he beats Cena bloody in the cage.
ReplyDeleteJake said on Jim Ross' podcast that had he been given Hogan's push, he'd have been even bigger than Hogan was. Come on now, Jake.
ReplyDeleteTo this day, I wonder how the Austin heel turn would've gone over if WM17 had been anywhere besides Houston (or Texas, really). As noted by other posters, Austin was the homestate hero and nobody would've booed him that night....if WM happens to be in, say, Toronto or Seattle year instead of Houston, maybe the turn goes over better and the angle gets off to a much hotter start.
ReplyDeletebut doesn't it make you want to see Bray kill him even more now? It's a bizarre "babyface-as-obnoxious heel" dynamic that will probably get Wyatt even more over if he wins the cage match
ReplyDeleteThe Shield and Daniel Bryan are going to be in the top two matches and the Wyatts and Cesaro will probably be sprinkled in matches 3-5. I'm pretty cool with stuff right now.
ReplyDeleteHe's putting on the mask and the whole get up, which the crowd pops for like they always do.
ReplyDeleteIt's one show where Bryan gets a decisive win in what should be a fun gimmicked up street fight against a huge veteran that Stephanie McMahon is basically managing.
You could probably throw in The Barbarian and Papa Shango too. Assuming Barbarian stuck around. Or Berzerker even.
ReplyDelete" they're making an overt effort to make the IC title matter now"
ReplyDeleteAgreed with you except for this point. A 1-week, 2-week, or a month-long tournament isn't an "overt effort". If they're still pushing it in 6 months, then I'll agree, but I have no more faith in WWE reestablishing the IC title to anything than I have in TNA reestablishing the X-Division.
Remember when they were "rebuilding the tag division"? And they did a great job of it, for about 6 months. Now we're on the Usos holding the belts after the Old Age Outlaws killed them (the belts, not the Usos) dead. They just broke up the Real Americans, the Rhodes brothers had all their heat sucked from them, the Shield isn't really in the running any more. So who does that leave? The Usos, Los Matadores, and Rybaxel? Not really the stellar tag division we're clamoring for.
Else where in this thread I expressed my concern that this could be leading to Bryan being another 1st time champion not getting the Champion focus...however we will have to see how this plays out because I feel there certainly are worse things they could do than to give us a breather from Bryan vs HHH/Orton and to an extent boo-tista. Bryan beat them all and won the day lets see what they do with this.
ReplyDelete"Let's get these guys out of the way, then Bryan is ours."
ReplyDeleteNo it's not exactly what everyone has in their head therefore it sux!!!!
ReplyDeleteBecause HHH clearly explained to him that until they eliminate The Shield, they won't be able to get to Bryan.
ReplyDeleteThe whole feud with The Shield is about Daniel Bryan.
I think Bryan vs Kane, if booked (and slightly overbooked!) properly, could be his Austin vs Dude Love.
ReplyDeleteIt should be an Counseling in a Cage match, where they bring back their anger management guy and talk out their problems inside a steel cage.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Berzerker for sure.
ReplyDeleteYUP. They have the backstory, Stephanie is basically managing Kane, and the Jersey crowd is gonna be hot for whatever Bryan does. It'll be fun.
ReplyDeleteDream scenario: They bring back Dr. Shelby so he can turn on Bryan and join Kane, just so Bryan can hit him with a Running Knee.
ReplyDeleteShelby coming back and eating a flying knee would get the pop of all pops.
ReplyDeleteWhile I love dramatic title matches where I buy all the near falls, I also kind of want to watch a Daniel Bryan PPV title match where I'm pretty confident that he's holding on to the title. The kids who grew up loving Hogan got that, but I never really have.
ReplyDeleteI'd bet that US title ends up on whatever new Evolution recruit (I'd put money on Sheamus ina heel turn, or Bad News Barrett) helps Evolution win the six-man at Extreme Rules.
ReplyDeleteFlair could get busted open by a strong breeze at this point...I'd be terrified to see what happens if the Superman punch grazes his forehead.
ReplyDeleteYUP. I'm going to the show, and while it'd be amazing to watch a 30-min classic where I'm buying all the near falls, it's also fun to go there knowing that my favorite guy is gonna whup someone's ass.
ReplyDeleteThis we agree on.
ReplyDeleteYES!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis actually would be an amazing angle to run next week.
ReplyDeleteWatch some of the old school shows on the Network sometime...there is so much casual racism it's crazy. Heenan goes off and calls Mr. Fuji "eggroll" at one point.
ReplyDeleteSurvivor Series 1991:
ReplyDeleteJake Roberts, Nasty Boys, The Undertaker, & Skinner vs.
Hulk Hogan, Legion of Doom, Jim Duggan, & Sgt. Slaughter
Ric Flair, Beverly Bros., Rick Martel, & The Mountie vs.
Texas Tornado, Tito Santana, The Rockers, & Ricky Steamboat
Ted Dibiase, IRS, Repo Man, & Natural Disasters vs.
Roddy Piper, Bret Hart, Virgil, British Bulldog, & Big Boss Man
During a Celtics/Rockets game a few years back, Yao Ming got whacked on the hand and was a bit shaken up. Tommy Heinsohn yelled "Those were his chopstick fingers!" It was pretty awkward.
ReplyDeleteTJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmx4kC0tiU
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, this game is a thing that exists. I seriously thought this was an elaborate rib on Nintendo executives when I first saw it, but this is real. This definitely falls into "macabre advertising that coerces people into buying the product to figure out what the hell is going on.
Of course he did.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I don't get all the hate for this show. Is it just because Bryan wasn't there? Because I thought the tournament was well done with Barrett/Ziggler being very good, I'd give it (***) and then putting the Shield on the same level as Evolution is nothing but a good thing. The tournament is there to put Ceasaro over pretty strong and will hopefully lead to a Sheamus/Barrett stiff-fest next week.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I really didnt like was Cena's Jokey promo but the Wyatt's atleast cut him down for it. If it leads to The Wyatts locking Cena in the cage and doing a Dusty/Horseman style beatdown that leads to Cena being off TV for a while then Im all for it.
Never a HHH fan then?
ReplyDeleteI bet jake nailed that in one take.
ReplyDeleteI liked him in 2000 but they kept putting him against guys I liked even more.
ReplyDeleteI can't take anything Kane does seriously after seeing how fucking butt ugly his wife is. Yeah sure Bryan fucked up and will be kicking over half his wwe cash in five years to the non tits twin, but at least you know he doesn't fuck the swamp thing.
ReplyDeleteNice shirt, Jake!
ReplyDeleteGodDAMN, he was good. I wonder how many people saw that promo and then bought a ticket. I would have. Of course, I would have been rooting for Jake.
ReplyDeleteMan. What I wouldn't give to have him cut promos, as a manager or something, for one last program...assuming he could stay on the wagon.
Billy red Lyons! Don't you dare miss it!
ReplyDeleteDo American fans know of Billy's hype skills from the 80s? He was a staple in canada.
WM 30 - Mr. B wins the title despite HHH, defends against Kane in underwhelming PPV match next month, loses title to Orton at Summerslam.
ReplyDeleteNo sorry that was WM 20. I'm sure ten years later, this will all pan out differently.
Bray clearly was influenced; mix heel Jake in with a southern preacher and you have Bray.
ReplyDeleteBryan's run will probably be a lot like punks, which is fine expect instead of cena on top it will be the unbearable hhh. Thank god for DVR and the network. Also thank god for hhh, because with the NBA playoffs starting soon I'm actually glad I won't need to waste my time watching raw for awhile.
ReplyDeleteThat used to be the standard for any show, especially house shows. Card was always subject to change, but seeing the full schedule was the norm.
ReplyDelete"Bray is gonna kill you..."
ReplyDeleteMaybe switch out the Texas Tornado or Tito Santana for Macho Man Randy Savage and you are pretty good there.
ReplyDeleteI find the Bella twin Bryan ended up with (Brie?) to be the prettier of the two. Also, I know it's a joke but does it matter how butt ugly Kane's wife is? I mean, if he's happy, good for him.
ReplyDeleteYears of honing his craft. It's not much different from a musician improvising a solo.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't Jake blame that guitar shot for starting him down the path of taking way too many pills? I seem to remember him harping on that during his Pick Your Poison DVD.
ReplyDeleteOh, and thanks for posting this, Bayless. Much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteBesides, who cares, extreme rules is now free. I'm fine with this kind of slop on the plate looking for b shows. However I can't get into this until hhh pisses off. He's had his little run, now go away, the show does not need him at all. And frankly theres tons of guys that could work with reigns at summerslam, including Batista, cena, Orton, or big show so really he should just job to the shield and go back to front office work.
ReplyDeleteNo version of Monopoly changes the names of the corner spaces, no matter how thematic it might be. It's kind of irritating, but then again it's also Monopoly so it's not like I'm ever going to play again.
ReplyDeleteI do not. First time I've seen him, and I was big into this in 1987.
ReplyDelete"I find the Bella twin Bryan ended up with (Brie?) to be the prettier of the two."
ReplyDeletethis
Agreed, Brie's hotter.
ReplyDeleteI'd prefer the go-home show before the PPV just to fuck with the fans and make them believe Kane might win, but either way it works.
ReplyDeleteHere's the Snake Pit segment that aired, the DDT was apparently edited off: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8rpe5_the-snake-pit-with-hulk-hogan-as-gu_sport
ReplyDeleteHowever, there were markets (maybe just Providence?) that got clips of a Hogan/Roberts match that may be what people are remembering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLeDd1-oGr4
Jake and JR go in detail on the problem with heels these days on JRs podcast and it's good stuff. Very basic but makes perfect sense.
ReplyDeleteAnd Podcast one is adding a Piper podcast.
...I mean, Kane isn't exactly a GQ cover model himself. It's sort of a lateral move for him in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI agree. And besides, from what I've read people being lukewarm on Austin facing Dude Love at first, though that probably had more do with him being announced 2 weeks before the show and being the lame duck of Foley's gimmicks.
ReplyDeleteI actually see no difference between them other than the fake fits. I find them both obnoxious as on air characters, but every single relationship in wrestling ends well so at least Bryan seems smart to marry another fellow carny.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Kane's wife, I'm just saying her ugliness may actually the shittyness of Kane's wrestling ability.
Vince, Linda, Steph, HHH, Lucy the Dog and Brad Maddox (w/ Pooper Scooper)
ReplyDeletePut it on the billboard across from Titan Towers.
ReplyDeleteThat's a joke. Kane is one of the worst dudes they've ever employed. Almost all his matches suck. I don't doubt Bryan can squueze something out of that stiff but those Austin vs Foley matches were all time classics.
ReplyDelete1) Kane is part of Triple H's stable
ReplyDelete2) BRYAN WASN'T EVEN ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.
Giving Bryan time off for his honeymoon was obviously part of their plan to bury him!
ReplyDelete1)so
ReplyDelete2)I don't have any interest in watching another year of the hhh show. I get it. He's the best ever. OK cool, now put something more interesting on. (Or not, I'll still watch the free ppvs, either live or when I get them in a few months)
I'm just saying, Bryan's still the central figure of this storyline.
ReplyDeleteIt's an understandable fear, but I don't think it'll be like that. Like I said earlier, they've clearly established Bryan as the top guy to an extent they never did, or even intimated they were going to, with Punk. Besides, Bryan is still centrally involved in the top storyline. I wouldn't overreact too much to one show he was never supposed to be on.
ReplyDelete(By the way, HHH is supposed to be unbearable. He's the bad guy.)
If I'm wrong, so be it, but if the worst-case scenario for his run is being like Punk's I can live with it.
As long as guys I like are on the card I'm fine. I don't care where they are in relation to other wrestlers nearly as much.
ReplyDeleteA lot of the Austin-Foley matches were stuff that they could never recreate with Kane, and I've pretty much always hated Kane, but that particular Dude Love-Austin match was like 60% Stooges and Vince fucking with Austin and Austin making them all look like fools. I think they could do that with Kane and the Authority.
ReplyDeleteWell I like seeing my favorite guys in matches that are more likely to be given time and have storyline importance.
ReplyDeleteRight. I'm just saying I'm over the evil authority/hhh storyline. Its been eight months and its been blown off. Also I went through evolution 1.0 (kind of) and I have no interest in a rehash even if it involves them jobbing.
ReplyDeleteLosing team pays Ric's alimony. Each team member gets one wife.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of podcasts..
ReplyDeleteAustin and Heyman is up today.
I think Kane's a good worker as long as you don't have a narrow scope of what a "good worker" is. I do agree that saying it has Austin/Dude Love potential is a stretch, but I can absolutely see Bryan/Kane putting on a really entertaining, overbooked match. Their straight-up matches, the few there've been, have all been decidedly above-average.
ReplyDeleteWatching SummerSlam 97. God Sable is gross in the face.
ReplyDeleteOne day WWE will realize they have unlimited hours of TV and give everyone plenty of time for their angles. I hope to be alive when they do.
ReplyDeleteI really don't care where they put Bryan on the card or who he wrestles. I'm just bummed out that HHH is going to be on TV for another year. If any TV show I watched re ran a 10 year old story I'd call it garbage.
ReplyDeleteWHO ARE YOU TO DOUBT BARRY O vs. OUTBACK JACK?
ReplyDeleteI thought the summerslam 2012 match wasn't very good but maybe they'll do better this time.
ReplyDeleteThat makes more sense. I could see that, but I don't know if they have the booking chops to pull that off anymore.
ReplyDeletePunk never beat John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista AND Triple H clean as a sheet in the middle of the ring. Two on the same night no less.
ReplyDeleteI think punk did fine, I just meant they had cena work the last matches and now it's hhh.
ReplyDeleteExcept when Cena was working the last match on the card, it was guys like Big Show, Kane, and Johnny Ace.
ReplyDeleteTriple, Orton, and Batista are working with young up and coming guys in the Shield, who kind of got short changed at Wrestlemania by working a shorter match than the Divas did.
What's Kanes best singles match? The one against angle on smackdown? Has he ever had a really good ppv singles match?
ReplyDeleteJake said his biggest mistake early in his wwe run as a heel was that he didn't cower enough ... he should have more cowardly moments in his matches but the DDT was such a badass move for 1987 its easy to see how the fans flipped him.
ReplyDeleteThis is about as necessary as commenting on Kate Upton's smile.
ReplyDeleteI'm in the middle of it. Heyman does a great Austin impression.
ReplyDeleteSo good. This is one of the reasons he's a Hall of Famer.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I think his best match was with Bryan a few weeks ago. He's consistent and reliable, but formulaic as hell.
ReplyDeleteActually now that I think about it, his blow off match vs cena (during the zac Ryder angle) was pretty good.
ReplyDeleteHe's big, probably hung and has money, he could have done better.
ReplyDeleteYou gotta take anything any pro wrestler (especially from the 80's) says with a grain of salt. That said, Honky hit him pretty goddamn hard with that guitar and it definitely wasn't one of those Jeff Jarrett or New Jack balsa wood filled with baby powder gimmicks either. It might not have been a full on real guitar but if it was gimmicked, whoever did it did a piss poor job or thought Jake was a hell of a lot tougher than he is.
ReplyDeleteThat could work. Ambrose/Rollins turn on Reigns and join Evolution. Ambrose is a natural heel.
ReplyDeleteA match with Albert on Smackdown. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T91A13WLuoM
ReplyDeleteVery true, but there's a wide range of intrinsic talent required depending on the difficulty of the solo. For example, I can listen to a sax solo at a jazz club and think "given a couple years of solid practice, I could do this." But then I see Richard Grayson improvise a double fugue of the Bond theme and the Pink Panther theme and I think "how is this humanly possible?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFQcITxX9A)
ReplyDeleteIf it is improvised, I put Jake's speaking ability in the latter category.
As annoying as it'd be, I'd still laugh if they did everything literally exactly the same, from Orton winning at Summerslam down to Batista winning it from HHH at WM 31.
ReplyDeleteBecause Austin didn't want to put HHH over. None if the guys in the mini-tournament to unify the WWF and WCW belts at the Vengenace ppv wanted the belt, since they were just going to be a lame-duck champ waiting to put over HHH.
ReplyDeleteIf he called it the "Games of War" he could claim it was his idea.
ReplyDeleteGod, an hour of Piper rambling.
ReplyDeleteBarrett is from Preston in England.
ReplyDeleteRE: Sandman
ReplyDelete"Do I think he was a great worker in the ring? Absolutely not he was the drizzling shits and probably one of the worst workers of all time."
I can't say I rewatched it but I thought I remember it being good. Their match on Raw a few weeks ago definitely was.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking of Mason Ryan. That'll teach me to be snotty about geography!
ReplyDeleteI think they should pull from their past for Evolution's fourth member. Someone with ties to the group already. I think it's time for a main event run for Mark Jindrack.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that his southern drawl was so much more prevalent back then.
ReplyDeletehttp://podcastone.com/Pipers-Pit-with-Roddy-Piper
ReplyDelete"Since people are going to ask what the anti-Kane crowd wanted out of these next few months"
ReplyDeleteWe weren't.
I got another good one lined up for tomorrow as the feature is back
ReplyDeleteHis match with Stevie Richards at Bad Blood 2004 was really good
ReplyDeleteAnother one with a bad mug. It sucks when that holds a chick back from all time hot goodness.
ReplyDeleteBrie's definitely hotter. Nikki gets dinged for both the stupid implants and she got a jawline that has a je ne sais Mac Tonight to it.
ReplyDeleteAustin, Jericho, JR, and now Piper? Is there enough wrestling talk to go around?
ReplyDeleteSo is there a flame war below or a real heated discussion?
ReplyDeleteBecuse that was good enough to headline just about any card in earth and this isn't. That was also the culmination of several months of storyline. This isn't. Not a good comparison my friend
ReplyDeleteEveryone is super-pissed about Gunner.
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