Today’s Question:
What is your favorite moment
in wrestling history (that nobody ever remembers)?
I’m talking about topics that are never mentioned on DVDs,
rarely brought up by other people on the Internet, but really stuck out to you
as a fantastic match or segment.
We’ll dive into that tomorrow.
Yesterday I asked for you to come up with WWE Network
improvements. With the Q2 report not far away, WWE is expected to remain well
below early projections. So your ideas are both designed to maintain the
current base (which they cannot afford to lose) as well as attract new viewers.
Ryan Yoder: Kind of a small detail, and it may be
different on devices that are not PS3s, but the option to sort PPVs
chronologically would be helpful for people who would like to watch the PPVs in
order but do not know the order.
As a PS3 user, I agree. I have a fairly good memory for stuff
that happened 10 years ago, but they juggle around their lineup so often now
that Battleground might have been a September Pay-Per-View previously, unless
that was Night of Champions, etc etc. Having the lineup in order to be able to
relive the action would be wonderful.
TheGrailspiral: The network, like hbo, needs a legitimate
new idea/concept to become relevant to a larger audience. We are the core and
love the library and such. HBO doesn't rely on its movie database, it features
original new programming. Wwe needs this. Court Bauer said they need to think
outside the box, like broadcast house shows or have a daily news show based on
the old live wire show. SOMETHING
They’re obviously trying with their programming such as
Legends House, but it’s nowhere near enough to attract anyone outside their
current subscribers. I agree with the idea, but it needs to be fresh, because
everything they do continues to cycle through the same cast, the same writers,
and the same ideas.
Mike Mears: Here's a small change I'd love to see: have
a DVD-like menu for each show. When you pull up a show, it gives a brief
synopsis of the event. Why not just replace that with chapters for each
match/segment?
Considering they already own the DVD’s and have the menus
pre-made for most the shows from the past 15 years, this should be a snap.
Stranger In The Alps:
A Just Added section, along with a
schedule of what's Coming Soon, with specific dates. And STICK TO IT!
daveschlet: More content. For example All the old WCW
Saturday Night Shows, Monday Nitros, AWA stuff, UWF stuff, and so on. And then
for their live stream, they should put these shows on at the times they aired.
Also, some new content stuff. I like the LiveWire idea I read in the comments,
broadcasting house shows would be cool too, but they might see that as
discouraging people to go to those shows. Also, more legends round table
discussions or a show like TNT used to be. Just something different. But my
major gripe, would be more content. I love the clashes and PPVs and SNMEs, but
to have the shows that lead up to all these matches would also be great.
This was pretty much the #1 choice for everyone. I get the
feeling that the appetite for WCW is a lot stronger than the WWE brass even
begin to realize. There is so much content with the Turner library at their
disposal, and virtually none of it is up. I understand that their brand is
their daddy; but fans are tuning in for CONTENT, and lots of it; and one
audience they may not have full tapped into yet are the jaded older fans who
WWE lost some time ago. Offering the old NWA, AWA, and WCW footage would be a
great place to start.
jungguy: The option to watch historical RAWs/Nitros
from each week "simultaneously" ... and giving you the option to
watch picture in a picture or switch back and forth between the two as if it
were real time. Come up with creative or Network centric commercials to take
the place of regular commercial breaks.
I think this would probably be a better tool for the live
stream (or in this case, during the Wars, the “streams”), but I like the
creativity here.
DJ Sprite: Also, since they want more original
programming, how about a "My Favorite..." It could be about a
wrestler's favorite match, event, storyline, title win... Whatever that given
wrestler chooses to talk about.
I love this. Food Network fills tons of space with “The Best
Food I Ever Ate”. There’s no reason they couldn’t run a similar feature with
the Network.
Justin Henry: I'd add the ability to make playlists.
Live-tweeting (or thread commenting) is fun with a group all watching the same
thing, and it'd be fun to make a viewable marathon with some sort of theme for
group viewing purposes
BeardMoney: Better interface. It would be great if it would
save your place, like Netflix does with its streaming content, so that if you
stop watching a show at one point, it would start up there the next time you
put it on.
I agree with this. I do the majority of my watching late at
night, or in the weekend afternoons. More often than not I either pass out
during the show, or my wife wakes up from her nap and doesn’t really have any
interest in watching Superbrawl 7. By the time I come back to it I have to
figure out where I was; would obviously be better to just stop and resume.
Steven Bellah: Create your own compilations by choosing
individual matches.
Absolutely. I think a brilliant option is to either allow a
free-for-all, or maybe niche style ideas where you can “build your own
Supercard” using the same rules we do sometimes, by not repeating a title
defense or wrestlers during the card. Also “make your own Superstar DVD”, by
giving you a list of every match they’ve ever had and let you pick the matches
to create this. In terms of custom work with their content, the sky is the
limit with this.
Basscase: The best improvement should be how they
promote the service. Having all the wrestling you could possibly want is great,
but they need to give a good reason WHY. WM for cheap? Sure. But you need to
give the average viewer an education as to what it is, what you can do, and why
you need it. You need to not so much say that it's like Netflix/Roku, but show
what it can do and let people come to their own conclusions.
Yeah I find the line about “it’s like Netflix but better!”
really weak. It’s their brand, they shouldn’t be comparing the two, but giving
out their own benefits. They have a zillion people in marketing, this should be
their top priority without question.
We also had a million calls for International expansion
throughout the thread, which is obviously a big issue for everyone. I’d love to
stop having to pay for a DNS in order to get it, so by all means, I’m on board
with an eventual launch in Canada.
My idea for the Network is definitely an in-house option
that should be made available in time with the arrival of more content. I want
in depth Superstar Profiles.
What I mean by this, is let’s suppose I clicked on John
Cena. I could see his career in-ring record, his championships held, what
gimmicks he’s performed under, etc.
From there, let’s suppose I clicked on Championships. In
looking at when they were won, I could click on the dates and watch the match
it took place on. If I clicked on his win/loss record, I could get a detailed
look at his matches either year over year, or a full track record, starting
from Match #1.
Comprehensive? Sure, but these are easily the types of
features that marketing can sell to show they are taking their product very
seriously, and the interactive experience is like nothing else you’re seeing
today.
Food for thought. Great discussion today guys. Have a great
Friday. Catch you tomorrow.
Milk Truck
ReplyDeleteMy favorite forgotten moment is when Jake the Snake slapped Elizabeth at This Tuesday in Texas because man-on-woman violence (especially to the ultimate babyface in Elizabeth) seemed so taboo for the WWF and this was a true "OH MY GOD" moment for me as a little kid. Jake's heel run there was the stuff of legend.
ReplyDeleteThis is a difficult question to answer. So I'm going to go with... HBK returning in 07 to attack Orton. It happened like right after the Indians beat the Yankees in the ALDS.
ReplyDeleteSting joining the nWo. Not Fake Sting, but Real Sting walking with Hollywood and his crew a couple of weeks before Uncensored 97.
ReplyDeleteBobby Eaton winning the WCW Television Championship.
ReplyDeleteThe series of matches Steve Austin had with Dustin Rhodes in the early 90's. They fought for the TV Title and then the US TItle.
ReplyDeleteI want to contribute something but I can't remember it.
ReplyDeletePat Patterson winning the tournament in Rio De Janeiro. It was such a great moment when he held both titles high as the confetti breezed through the air. You'd think it never happened by how little people talk of it.
ReplyDeleteMike Rotunda putting up $10,000 if anybody can beat him for the Television Championship and then Sting coming out and beating him.
ReplyDeleteSimon dean on the segway going through the drive-thru ordering cheeseburgers, then being forced to eat 20 chesseburgers after being beaten by Bobby Lashley.
ReplyDeleteAny of the stuff in World Class where Skandor Akbar had "taken over" the show and was battling Eric Embry for control of the company. I loved that as a kid.
ReplyDeleteCM Punk's 1 month stint as color commentator about 3.5 years ago. He gave really great points from the former wrestler's perspective that you rarely get anymore.
ReplyDeletenWo 2000 - Bret Hart, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, and The Outisders. To me, it had the potential to be awesome but then Goldberg sliced his arm open like a dumbass, Bret never recovered from being mule-kicked in the head, and the Radicalz left effectively killing all their plans.
ReplyDeleteto add to that ... Austin vs. Angle at Summerslam is an absolutely forgotten classic of a match, a great intense bloody brawl when Angle finally went from goofball we almost don't take entirely seriously to an absolute bad ass
ReplyDeleteThe crowd's reaction to the Horsemen v. J-Tex match. The Horsemen had just turfed Sting from the group on the same show, so the crowd started cheering Terry Funk (who was practically running over old women and puppies at the time) and especially Muta.
ReplyDeleteYou could tell they'd wanted to cheer for Muta, but the timing just wasn't right. Wild to see that reaction.
The beginning of that group was so dreadful though. Bret looks like he couldn't care less and Roddy Pipper pinning Goldberg somehow won Bret the title.
ReplyDeleteThey really should've inserted Muta into the world title slot instead of Luger - seeing Sting and Muta team up would've been insane.
ReplyDeleteobviously its WCW so I have to grade on a curve LOL but I remember watching it, I believe it was the last Nitro of 1999, and I got real excited about it.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that, Goldberg sold a kick to the nuts like he slipped on a banana peel.
ReplyDeleteFunk wasn't in that match. It was Sawyer, Muta, and Dragon Master.
ReplyDelete1990 Muta vs 1990 Flair, even if both are still heels, would have been so awesome.
ReplyDeleteSteven Regal repeatedly retaining the television championship by using stall tactics to get to the 15 minute time limit draw and watching his opponent try to catch him and force him to compete. And then they positioned Larry Zybyszko as the conquering hero and the storyline WORKED. It was a great storyline based on ring psychology that got a harder to latch onto ring style some unreal heat.
ReplyDeleteWas he? Shit. Well, that goes to show how properly unremembered it is, at least on my part. Thanks for the correction.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Funk went babyface after losing the I Quit Match in November and became a babyface/kinda tweener style announcer.
ReplyDeletespeaking of Regal ... him winning the King of the Ring and looking like he might actually finally break through was great - obviously he messed it up. But it was still great at the time.
ReplyDeleteFunk was an interviewer at the time and was turned face after the I Quit match.
ReplyDeleteanother one ... Triple H vs. Cactus at the Royal Rumble. People still weren't buy Trips even at that point, no matter that he was given the boss's daughter and everything else. He got MADE that night. I've heard he doesn't like hearing that Foley made him, I want to say Foley's daughter even trolled him on twitter some, but he did make HHH.
ReplyDeleteShaggy haired Regal from 08 was the bomb. He had this amazing match with Jamie Noble that was one of my favorite two minute matches ever. Regal lets out this primal scream at the finish, it ruled.
ReplyDeleteBret ripping off HHH angle from 2 months prior with "beaten up" make-up on his face and... ugh, 2000 WCW was an abomination. August/September was "okay" but the rest was such pain.
ReplyDeleteever see the Benoit-Regal Velocity match on YouTube where Benoit chops him in the face? Crazy shit.
ReplyDeleteYeah that was a great match. Real treat for the people who were smart enough to watch Velocity. It sort of occupied the space Main Event does now where it is almost always way better than the bloated main shows.
ReplyDeleteFlair vs. Austin from Raw in 2002. This was Austin's second to last match ever, and his last match ever on Raw. Just an absolute classic, and everyone forgot about it and remembers Austin walking out the next week. One of my favorite Raw main events ever.
ReplyDeleteThe Marquis of Queensberry series between Lord Steven Regal and Ric Flair. It was like Wrestling 101
ReplyDeleteThe Triple H wasn't over stuff is such ridiculousness. He was very over by the end of 99 and was pretty much over around the time of his first title win. It's internet retconning from people who hate HHH now. Yeah, it was a rougher version of his character but he definitely looked like a main eventer and belonged with them by then.
ReplyDeleteMost fans still remember that, but yeah it was great.
ReplyDeleteMemphis at its corny best
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr9E5NFujjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gUKPecHPdg
Tojo Yamamoto, Jeff Jarrett, yellow paint and Lance Russell with a hammer.
This made people believe he was more than moves with knees. There was being "over," and then there was being able to step your game up like. 1999 HHH matches were different from 2000 HHH matches, I think Foley had a huge part in that.
ReplyDeleteQOTD suggestion: give theme music to classic wrestlers who didn't have signature entrance music. I thought of it when I remembered that Verne used the disco Star Wars theme in Japan and now associate the Imperial Death March with Nick Bockwinkel. Somehow that music worked for Verne.
ReplyDeleteAustin's fourth to last match ever (#1- Mania 19, #2- Raw before Mania, #3- No Way Out '03). #historysnob
ReplyDeleteHe still wasn't yet a credible World Champion. Rick Rude was plenty over by the time he won a World title, but it took that little bit extra with Sting to really make him.
ReplyDeleteTrish Stratus vs Stephanie from No Way Out 01, before Trish was even considered a wrestler. An absolutely insane brawl. What's great is JR and King are just as surprised as the crowd at how good the match was.
ReplyDeleteIf there's been a bad 'heel runs his mouth, issues an open challenge and pays dearly for it' angle I haven't seen it.
ReplyDeleteBertha Faye - Watch Out For The Big Girl
ReplyDeleteI never knew Pat invented the hurricanrana,
ReplyDeleteHHH was coming off a horrible 35 minute match with Vince and still was not proven yet as a draw in main events. His 1999 top matches were very unremarkable and among the worst received top/main event matches. It's no ret-con, his work with Foley cemented him with smarks/marks alike as "Damn, this match should be awesome!" for future main events and got him over as The Heel.
ReplyDeleteSome of my most favorite memories as a fan are those moments I can recall when I thought it was all legit. One of those moments that I don't hear about that often but so fresh in my mind is the Dusty Rhodes/Hiro Matsuda/Johnny Weaver angle. This legit scared me as a kid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnyk0AqxZJQ
ReplyDeleteThank goodness the WCW International Board of Governors existed to have such a prestigious championship available for Rude's waist.
ReplyDeleteThe stip was it was illegal to throw a punch. Of course Flair decked Austin when the ref wasn't looking. Flair was freshly heel turned and just in the fucking zone.
ReplyDeleteNow I'll just be watching old Memphis craziness. WELP.
ReplyDeleteThe Eddie Gilbert - Tommy Rich Tag Team of the Year angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqHh2x4KPWM
The Barry Windham - Dustin Rhodes feud from 1992-1993. They never had a big blowoff moment, but as a young Dustin Rhodes mark I ate it up
ReplyDeleteI know right?!? Best false finish ever. His split-leg moonsault was my favorite spot though.
ReplyDeleteThis match doesn't apply.
ReplyDeleteshit I just watched some random royal rumble on the network and they did that exact finish to the Mickie "Piggie" James storyline with LayCool. Didn't remember any of that and still smiled.
ReplyDeleteQOTD person: How is Shane Douglas "an awful person?"
ReplyDeleteI'm with you, I was excited too, since i was a huge nWo mark, but it holds up really badly.
ReplyDeleteso was Regal slated to win a world title in 2008? Does anyone know?
ReplyDelete"MY DIET SODA!!!!"
ReplyDeleteRikishi/HHH from some random smackdown circa 2000. They had a "random drawing" for a title match with hhh, rikishi won, had a rather good main event that hunter won. Never mentioned again.
ReplyDeleteHogan returning at Wrestlemania 21. Still gives me chills.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit dude! I like to consider myself a seasoned fan, but I had NO idea that this happened. My brain is almost wired to think that Marty's return on Raw was his first time back, which is silly because it's AFTER the Marty/Shawn Royal Rumbe Match.
ReplyDeleteAustin Wrestled the Raw before WM 19?
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of this except I think his No Mercy '99 match with Austin was awesome (rest of the '99 matches, not so much), but that gets lost because the No Way Out 2001 match is that much better.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he was going to win the world title, but I think they were definitely going for strong upper-mid card heel status with him. And it was justified, his work in matches with Punk and Orton in the spring of '08 was tremendous stuff.
ReplyDeleteYeah, he pinned Bischoff in a No DQ Match and then got beaten up by The Rock.
ReplyDeleteArn Anderson beating the Great Muta in January 1990 for the TV Title on the Power Hour Friday night show. For whatever reason, I popped for that hardcore.
ReplyDeleteBack in the Shotgun Saturday Night days, the way that Kurrgan used to beat up jobbers and then palm their heads like a basketball whilst dragging them back up the ramp.
ReplyDeleteJust a crazy spot to finish a match on, and something that a newcomer could easily plagiarise where nobody would bat an eyelid.
Yes sir. Give that match a clean finish and it's ***** in my books.
ReplyDeleteI really loved the story of that match too, as it was something so different from the usual heel/face dynamic of WWF Main events. It was sorta Rocky I-esque in that the badguy Austin is delivering way more of the damage, but the good guy Angle just will not stay down.
It's so crazy looking back at Bischoff coming out after Wrestlemania 19 with those "doctor's reports" and realizing that indeed Austin would never wrestle again. At the time I thought for sure he'd be back in the ring in no time.
ReplyDeleteYeah I loved that.
ReplyDeleteFunk conducted the interview with Sting and the Horsemen when they kicked Sting out.
ReplyDeleteAnd when Marlena showed her boobs!
ReplyDeleteVengeance 2005. The show was absolutely loaded and needs to be in the discussion for one of WWE's best PPV's of all-time. Batista/HHH HIAC, Cena/Jericho/Christian, HBK/Angle II, Carlito/Shelton, even a marginal Edge/Kane.
ReplyDeleteFollowing on the heels of that, the set-up between Jake and the Undertaker for WrestleMania VIII, where Jake slammed Taker's hand shut in the casket on the Funeral Parlor and then just beat the shit out of him. Didn't that segment end with Taker dragging the casket, his hand still locked in it, going after Jake?
ReplyDeleteShane Douglas' promo outside of the hospital after the swung Pitbull 1 by his neck halo. Just amazing how chilling and real that whole angle felt.
ReplyDeleteCommissioner Foley saying that HHH can attack him but it will cost him $100 a punch, as well as his pride, because he'll book him at every circus sideshow in the country, and that while he wants him at the pay-per-view because he is that damn good, he does not need him. One of the better acting jobs in WWE history, from both sides.
ReplyDeleteEverything and anything Steve Austin did in the summer of 2001.
ReplyDelete"You and your bimbo girlfriend..."
"You can't call my girlfriend a bimbo."
"Well I just did. Now sign my petition."
"You're a wise man, Tajiri."
ReplyDeleteIf only it had been legit! :(
ReplyDeleteWith all the recent talk about why the network isn't as good as it should be and how to fix it, has anyone considered the current product as the reason? I mean, if they had just 1 hour of RAW and 1 hour of SD every week, I'm sure more people would look to the network to get their weekly wrestling fix.
ReplyDeleteDamn that IS a good idea. It needs to be re-used immediately.
ReplyDeleteFoley brought it so many times when it came to actually expressing real emotion.
ReplyDelete"I like ya, not very much, but I like ya."
ReplyDeleteI'm just amazed still that they never stopped the match for excessive bleeding. Pat pulled out like a 1.5 Muta. Sick.
ReplyDeleteYES. I'll never forget that because earlier that day my brother and I asked 'hey, is Marty Jannetty EVER coming back?' And bam, there he was on Superstars that afternoon.
ReplyDeleteI don't hate HHH, I was watching it back then, he was about as over as Big Show was as a main eventer. He wasn't.
ReplyDeleteI can tell you the first match where I felt he was over. Beating Rikishi to defend his title on an early 2000 episode of Smackdown.
The whole thing with masked Rude returning in ECW and bringing out a returning Pitbull 1 to destroy our favorite wrestler, Shane Douglas.
ReplyDeleteMy friends and I didn't buy into HHH until the Vegas wedding. By SummerSlam '99, I was sick of him.
ReplyDeleteWhich reminds me...Foley finally "It doesn't matter-ing" the Rock.
ReplyDelete...and he was actually funny. Something that hasn't occurred on WWE TV in years.
ReplyDeleteJust don't do it against Batista...
ReplyDeleteWCW Jeff Jarrett was the worst
ReplyDeleteHeck, if he doesn't want to wrestle again, it'd be great if he could come back just to do commentary.
ReplyDeleteAnything and everything Flex Kavana.
ReplyDeleteJumpin Jeff Farmer cutting one of wrestling's greatest promos.
ReplyDeleteHulk Hogan entering the dungeon of doom's lair. "IT'S NOT HOT!"
Cheatum, the one eyed evil midget, blowing up Sting and British Bulldog's boat.
Brutus Beefcake turning on Hulk Hogan in 1994
The nWo attacking Stone Cold Steve Austin and Scott Hall breaking a cinderblock over Austin's knee. Only for Austin to come out the next week with his other leg/knee area bandaged up.
That time someone tricked Sting.
Flair hitting a move off the top turnbuckle.
Absolutely. Add the "but I've found a replacement..." speech when he changed from Mankind into Cactus Jack to that, and probably the first anti-hardcore promo he did in ECW.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was GORY.
ReplyDeleteAfter the Austin heel turn in 2001, Regal was Commissioner, and for some reason had Tajiri as a lackey. Austin was experiencing some mental anguish over something and said, "I just need someone I can talk to..." Regal asserts that he's honored, and Austin cuts him off. "Not YOU. I'm talking to Tie-jiri."
ReplyDeleteA couple of segments later, Austin is baring his soul to Tajiri, Tajiri responds to him in Japanese, and Austin - doing an amazing acting job here, and through this whole phase of his heel turn - sincerely thanks Tajiri for his help in working through the issues. "Thank you, Tie-jiri. You're a good friend, and a wise man" or something like that.
It was such a random and in-the-moment thing that came right before the Invasion, that few remember it. I do, and I still laugh about it.
A great line was when he challenged Kane to that Hell in a Cell match on Raw... "If things go my way, we might just see a little history tonight, and if they don't, well... it won't be the FIRST time I get my ass kicked in Philadelphia!"
ReplyDeleteIt did! Holy shit, I had forgotten about that! That segment ruled. Jake DDT'd Paul Bearer and clocked the Undertaker a few times with the urn, but the Undertaker just kept coming. The segment ended with the camera stopping as the Undertaker dragged the casket to the back as he stalked Jake like Michael Myers.
ReplyDeleteGood one!
Everyone (rightly) remembers the HHH/Foley feud from 2000 as being great, but their 1997 rivalry was pretty top notch as well. They had a great brawl at Canadian Stampede, a good cage match at Summerslam, another good match at One Night Only, and then the great culmination at MSG, with the Cactus debut and resulting Street Fight.
ReplyDeleteBrutus the Barber Beefcake ending Mr. Perfects, (on camera) streak at WM 6. He was my second favorite wrestler at the time, and people forget that he was pretty much up there in popularity with Hogan and Warrior. Seeing as how the ending of the main event left me unhappy, The Barbers win was my favorite moment of that years WrestleMania.
ReplyDeleteOne I always think back to is when Bulldog/Owen were teaming and having one of their petty arguments, and Owen's Slammy award fell over on the ring apron. I don't know why, but it always stuck with me as a nice foreshadowing moment (that never got to play out).
ReplyDeleteNikita Kolloff winning TV title in 1987. Just fun for me, always a mark for Nikita, he'd just lost the US belt to Luger and a month later, karma comes to haunt the Horsemen as James J Dillon drops an object, Nikita blasts Tully with it and wins the belt to a huge pop. Fun moment plus led to Tully and Arn teaming up as tag champs, really miss those days.
ReplyDeleteFor a brief time, I actually recapped Velocity for Scaia at Online Onslaught. That show was great.
ReplyDeletePlain & simple, the Ted Dibiase face-turn from Mid South in the Ric Flair match. I remember Cowboy Bill Watts give a disclaimer about how what you were about to see was "graphic" or something along those lines. I was about 13 at the time and I was told wrestling was fake, but still had my doubts. My instant reaction was that no owner was going to risk a lawsuit and let somebody compete, and the light went on. Rather than being turned off, I was tuned in as I started to appreciate the artistry of two guys trying to make fake violence look real. I was fascinated as to how I could be manipulated...and it was glorious.
ReplyDeleteWish I had seen that before I wrote my whole deal about it.
ReplyDeleteYou're a wise man, Greg Phillips.
That, (and the Rocks reaction to it) was classic.
ReplyDeleteIs there video of this somewhere? I vaguely recall seeing it. I stopped with the hardcore fandom in 2001, but I love everything about 2001 Austin.
ReplyDeleteThe time Abdullah The Butcher used a kitchen fork for actual eating. No one remembers it, but you can look at Mr. The Butcher and pretty much guess it's been utilized properly many times.
ReplyDeleteThe time Abdulla held in a fart for 200 miles so he didn't offend Foley's wife...And they say The Butcher is an asshole.
ReplyDeleteMick Foley--as Mankind--doing a backstage interview prior to a tag team match with X-Pac versus D-Lo Brown and Ken Shamrock.
ReplyDeleteX-Pac was the European Champion at the time. Mankind says, "I don't know why you two don't get along. You're the European champion and D-Lo, you're a peon."
X-Pac's reaction is priceless.
Jake pulling down Rudes tights on Superstars because Rude kept wearing the ones with Cheryl Roberts. It would have been commonplace and done for comedy in the Attitude Era but in 88 that was serious stuff.
ReplyDeleteOne of the great Mid-South angles. I'll always love Eddie Gilbert snookering Watts, but man ted was great.
ReplyDeleteIt took him until his last ever WWE match but the Nature Boy did it!
ReplyDeleteI loved the "Big Shot" phase of Hardcore Bob Holly's gimmick. I remember a Raw where D-Lo and Mark Henry had to pull out of tag match against the Acolytes because Mark Henry failed his physical. You saw D-Lo and Mark discussing this and in the background Holly was working out, overheard them, and rubbed his chin thoughtfully. Later on in the show, The Acolytes came out for their match and Hardcore came out alone demanding a handicap match against the two. Eventually Big Show came out and tried to talk him out of it, because the Acolytes would clearly destroy him, and Bob wound up slapping the Big Show. Hilarious. Loved the idea of a heel who's just stupidly ballsy. Like an unlovable Scrappy Doo.
ReplyDeleteI just wish this character hadn't devolved into the whole "Super-heavyweight" thing after Crash debuted. The thing that made it work was that he was delusional about his toughness not his size.
ReplyDeleteOne of my favorite matches ever. The look on HHH's face as he stands on the ring apron and sends Stephanie to the back is perfect selling of what was about to happen. I think I did a complete 180 on him that night, at least in regard to wanting to watch him wrestle.
ReplyDeleteI thought that angle was brilliantly booked. It's hard to turn the name of an organization (World Class) that you've followed for a long time into something bad, but they made the fans WANT to see the USWA take over. The people in the Sportatorium were thrilled to rip down those World Class signs and banners.
ReplyDeleteThe Hurricane attempting to double chokeslam HHH and Austin in the Royal Rumble.
ReplyDeleteThe entire segment, right down to the look that passed between HHH and Austin, who at this time were out for one another's blood, was pitch-perfect.
It's actually up there as my favourite Rumble moment, or top 5 anyway.
Stand back! There's a Hurricane comin' through!
The Tajiri/Regal pairing was absolute gold. :)
ReplyDeleteThe emergence of Bob Holly's ego was one of the coolest things of 1999. Too bad it happened in 1999. Even when Russo got it right, he'd flip the script and change character's angles within weeks of starting them.
ReplyDeleteSure enough, they paired Big Shot with Crash. Meanwhile, they paired Show with Taker (which introduced the world to the dumbest and longest monologue about motorcycles in the desert). The tremendous chemistry between Holly and Show was never seen again, if I remember correctly.
Complete with Sports Coat accessory!
ReplyDeleteYeah at his peak Beefcake was massively over.
ReplyDeleteHe beat a midget during that prestigious tournament.
ReplyDeleteThe motorcycles in the dessert monologue was tremendous.
ReplyDeleteHis entrance and look of trepidation was one of the best ever.
ReplyDeleteMankind has always been my favourite Foley.
ReplyDeleteTwo things stand out in my mind.
ReplyDelete1). When a wrestler would be suspended/fired/left the territory, only to show up the next week wearing a mask.
2) there was a segment sometime after the Tully/Magnum I quit match, and after Mugnum's car crash. Crockett or schiavonne was interviewing magnum and tully comes out with HH Dillon and gets all in magnum's face whining about the I quit. I can't remember if he had a baseball bat with him when he came out or not. But eventually dusty comes in to save the day, swinging the bat like a wild man.
The thing I remember most is how they protected magnum during the scrum. JJ Dillon actually positioned himself behind magnum and gently guided him to the ground. And the fact it was JJ and not some other face really stuck with me.
King Booker calling Bobby Lashley a "peasant".
ReplyDeleteYeah, and all the little things like going to one camera b/c "Akbar has taken over and is cutting costs..."
ReplyDeleteThe promo where Jim Cornette accused HBK of making a pass at Diana Hart Smith is one that I've always been fond of, but never seems to get its due. The part where Cornette lays out the accusation is James E. at his finest, but the part that takes it over the top is the interaction between Shawn and the Smiths. Of course, Diana really never added much with her performances, but her job here was simple enough: saying, "Shawn, I know you want me." Shawn's delivery of his response - "Mrs. Smith, with all due respect, please do not flatter yourself" - was just perfect, particularly his pronunciation of "flatter." Something about it just really worked for me. Then, of course, Diana slaps him and Shawn says, "Well, I guess we know who wears the pants in the Smith family," and Davey Boy's face just blows up like steam is going to come out of his ears, right before he charges Shawn. My dad and I watched that one together, and I remember him getting a kick out of it as much as I did.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little subtle, but these little things - the pronunciation, Davey Boy's facial expression - they just made the segment for me, but it doesn't seem to get much love from anyone else (it's not on Youtube...had to go find it on Dailymotion when I wanted to see it again, and it's split over two different videos).
He's hit the move off the top rope plenty of times in his career, especially early on. Getting caught on the top turnbuckle just turned into one of his typical every Flair match late 80s and carried over for most every match until the late 2000s. He'd still pull it off every now and again.
ReplyDeleteI think he did it in the Windham match at Slamboree '94.
ReplyDeleteYou guys are no fun :(
ReplyDeleteEverything about King Booker was fantastic
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Also, President/Champion Flair trying to rig his title defense in Panama City Beach ('99, I want to say...)...he was going to draw an opponent at random, but he had Lil' Naitch or some other underling make sure that only cruiserweights were in the lottery. Mysterio came up, and they had a hell of a match...the kind where you start asking, "wait, they wouldn't actually pull the trigger on this, would they?"
ReplyDeleteYep. I see what you did there.
ReplyDeleteBut not what he did at WMXX
here's an answer you, jef, and i will appreciate:
ReplyDeletewhen punk played a video montage of johnny ace using "the touch" as theme music
That was awesome. HHH and Stephanie are so smug, and then they give the piece of paper to Finkel, who lights up and says, "It's Rikishi!" Whole locker room turns to Rikishi, who just nods his head. HHH fumes and leaves, and then the locker room goes nuts.
ReplyDeletenot really forgotten moment, but i'm doing something at work related to louisville, and it keeps popping into my head one of the 5 second poses when christian said "it's great to be here in louis-ville!" and the crowd going nuclear
ReplyDelete"Like an unlikable Scrappy Doo"
ReplyDeleteSo Scrappy Doo?
I loved Santino's tea party with Sheamus, and his promo at the 2008 Royal Rumble, ripping on New York.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember my forgotten moment.
ReplyDeleteHow dare you hate on Scrappy Doo?
ReplyDeleteLuger's title win over Hogan on Nitro. People forget how much that crowd popped, or how well done the entire evening's build was. Luger even got the old-school post-match champagne bath. Gets forgotten because he friggin dropped it 6 days later.
ReplyDeleteThis probably doesn't answer the question, but in HHH's book, and his DVDs, he never goes in depth about the Two Man Powertrip. He usually goes from great matches with the Rock in 2000 to tearing his quad in 2001.
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