Today’s Question:
In 5 years from now, which
Shield member will be the biggest star, and why?
We’ll look into this tomorrow. In the meantime, jump right
into the discussion by scrolling to the end of this article, or clicking the
Comments. Otherwise, stick around for yesterday’s discussion.
We were reliving the moments that hooked you on as a
wrestling lifer. Lots of old school answers here, which are no surprises. Let’s
dive in.
Extant1979: What got me hooked? Hulkamania all the way,
baby. He was a comic book character come to life, and he was fighting other
larger-than-life figures and beating them. Whatcha gonna do, brother? I'm gonna
watch Hulk Hogan win another match.
RosAlGhulScoe: For me, it was Savage chasing HTM for the IC
title and Jimmy Hart and the Hart Foundation doing anything to help HTM keep
the title. One of the first matches I watched that I still remember was that
great Savage vs Bret Hart SNME match where an injured Savage rolled him up for
the win. My memory is hazy, but this feud led to the friendship of Savage and
Hogan and Savage's WM4 title win and HTM escaping this feud with the belt
eventually ended perfectly with Ultimate Warrior winning that title.
Mark Joseph: Start watching in the early 80's, but I was
hooked when Savage attacked Steamboat. And, as a child, I was cheering for
Savage. Was hooked on NWA watching the first Clash of the Champions. Stopped
watching for a long time in the 90's, only to return during the nWo/Attitude
era. It was actually ECW that got me to start watching again, it would air on
MSG Network at like 2am, and I found it by accident. Stopped again during the
Invasion angle (such a poor job by WWE that I just turned the product off 100%)
and only returned last year. Not sure how long I will last now, but
Ambrose/Rollins has my interest.
Chefazzy: I was already getting into wrestling a
little bit due to Hulkamania. But I vividly remember to this day, seeing that a
wrestling program was on TBS one Saturday night. I decided to tune in. When I
saw these two huge guys in facepaint with mohawks/reverse mohawks, wearing
leather with spikes on them, walking in to Iron Man, I was all in at that point.
dirtyearsbill: The first angle I vividly remember was
Earthquake squashing Hogan before Summerslam 90. I was terrified of the whole
ordeal but it hooked me. I was five years old and had my mom dictate a get well
soon letter to Hulk and everything. I know I'd watched before that because I
have pictures of my third birthday where I got a bunch of AWA toys and I went
to house shows prior, but Hogan/Quake is the first thing I clearly remember.
Scott Malec: I was watching the WWF for about a year (the
first major match I saw was the Savage IC title win over Santana in Boston on
my bday in 1986) but when I gave the NWA on TBS a chance...I was hooked for
life. The first major NWA angle I remember was Jim Cornette torching Ronnie
Garvin and Jimmy Garvin coming out to help his estranged "brother."
This was right after Starrcade '86 and I remember being awed by the Skywalker
video COMMERCIALS, let alone the event itself. The Road Warriors sealed the
deal and about 6 months later the first Wargames in 1987 became my favorite
match of all time to this day.
SRogo: I discovered WWF and Hogan leading up to the
first Wrestlemania. After, the Orndorff turn on Hogan had me tuning in more
often. But the Hogan/Andre and Piper/Adonis stuff leading up to WM3 is what
hooked me for life. By then, I was also watching the NWA on TBS, World
Class/AWA depending on what ESPN was carrying, and the local WWA show where a
young Scott Rechsteiner was getting his start. I'd also beg my parents to take
me to the video store and rent Coliseum Video tapes over and over every week.
Couldn't get enough back then.
redman: Shawn michaels being attacked by somewhere
between 2 and 43 thugs and then collapsing during his match with Owen hart. Im
not sure if its what hooked me but its the first angle I remember. I was 7
years old and only been watching for a couple of months but shawn was my
favorite. I really thought he may die. Then he came back and won the 96 royal
rumble then beat bret at WM12 which was the first ppv my dad and I watched
together. We got nearly every single one until judgment day 2004.
thebraziliankid: Cena vs Umaga.As sad as it is John Cena is
the reason I became a wrestling fan.When saw the LMS match between these two I
just said"I don't care if people think it's fake,I'm a fan of
wrestling"
VoxPhantom: The Mankind/Cactus Jack feud with HHH
between Royal Rumble and No Way Out 2000. Had never seen wrestling before
watching the Street Fight, was a huge Foley mark by the time he was
"retired" after the Hell in the Cell.
PrimeTimeTen: I started watching just after Hogan's first
retirement in 1992. The big angle at the time played out in a series of
interviews involving Randy Savage and the Ultimate Warrior where Mean Gene
would press them on if either had hired Mr. Perfect as their manager heading
into SummerSlam. I gravitated to the two "WWF-approved babyfaces" but
in retrospect it was really Ric Flair's antagonizing presence that drew me in.
Going back and watching those interviews recently for the first time in 20+
years is illuminating, including some of Flair's meta lines. "I've been
beating up guys with paint on their face my whole career. I specialize in
it." Then a few months later I turn on Superstars one morning and learn
that Bret Hart - a fellow Canadian - had defeated Flair - the most hated
villain in the company - for the belt. I was all in. 22 years later, Bret and
Naitch are my two favourite wrestlers ever.
SodiePop: I wish I could remember a specific angle,
show or match that I watched as a little kid that got me hooked, but I can't. I
can say my first wrestling memories as being around 6 or 7 years old and
watching the weekend WWF shows for all the classic characters we know and love
(the one on Sunday around noon that featured Bobby Heenan and Gene Okerlund
always come to mind first, second being the Todd Pentingale/Million Dollar Man
duo). That was my first instance of any regular viewing habit, and I really
looked forward to the weekends so I could watch my shows. I can also remember
growing up and frequenting my local video rental stores to rent out copies of
the WWF PPVs on weekends, usually the Wrestlemanias, Royal Rumbles, Summerslams
and the Coliseum Video releases (Bloopers, Bleeps and Bodyslams!). I did this
all the time, and funnily enough I remember WM9 being a favorite, marking out
like the little dumbshit I was for Hulk Hogan upsetting Yoko and walking out
with the belt. Fast forward a bit to Jan 1993 with the advent of RAW, and I
became a die-hard viewer all the way up until 2002 where I stopped being a fan
for the first time in my life. But that's another topic.
Crikey Mate Down
Under Aussie: HBK coming out of
retirement and the Benoit title chase. My first experience with wrestling was
this legend coming out of retirement with a wrecked back and a guy just
pummelling him with a ladder for 30 minutes, and the bleeding! And then I
experience a Royal Rumble, Benoit beating Big Show, into Wrestlemania with everything
coming together, and this cool mysterious Undertaker guy, blown away as a kid.
Elmo Machete: Some random episode of Sunday Night Heat - I
was channel surfing & happened to tune in while they showed a replay from
Raw of Jackie ripping Sable's dress off. I was 12, and not used to seeing
boobies on TV. I thought to myself, "I'm gonna keep watching this."
Then the main event of the night was a tag match with D'Lo, Mankind, Shamrock
and X-Pac. That weird combination of personalities hooked me. A couple weeks
(months? IDK) later was Survivor Series '98, and THAT hooked me for good.
Tournament for the world title? Introducing me to every important character in
the company all at once? "Real Man's Man" William Regal? How could I
NOT get hooked?
Magoonie NOT Teddy
Belmont: The first time I watched
wrestling was at my older cousins house with him and his grandmother (who was a
huge fan) and I really liked it but it didn't quite hook me yet. Also I got no
time to believe it was real as when I told my step dad about what I had just
watched he told me "it's fake". What hooked me was a few months later
I went over to my cousins house and his grandmother had taped The Main Event.
Watching Savage beat up the asshole Honky Tonk Man, seeing The Hart Foundation
wrestle and the Hogan/Andre match all combined to hook me for life.
TM Cooltrainer Bret:
IIRC it was the best 2 out of 3 falls
match between Edge/Mysterio and Angle/Benoit. I couldn't afford PPV so I had to
watch the inferior version, and that made me a huge Edge mark for some time. I
can't say I love or hate him now, but back in 2002 he was SO COOL. I marked at
Edge coming back to Raw in 2004 because half-mark half-smark me thought finally
he was gonna destroy Evolution, and then the crowd turned him heel. Bastards.
WILLYOUSTOP?!?: I've mentioned it before, but seeing my
first AWA show on TV, where the announcers were hyping the next show in Denver
headlines by The Road Warriors v. The Fabulous Freebirds. I had no idea who any
of these people were, why they were fighting, or why I cared...but for some
reason, hearing these guys on TV talk about it, I felt like I HAD to see it -
it was too important to miss. I didn't get to go to that show, but weekly AWA
TV became required viewing for me. My dad finally took me to my first AWA show
sometime after that, and I never looked back.
Will1225: I saw Stone Cold Steve Austin raising hell
on a Monday night show called WWF Raw at a friend's house in December 1998.
Became a fan of Austin that day and began watching the WWF every chance I could
after that.
Jared Bellow: I was a big VHS junkie as a kid and one day
my mom went to the Meijer store where they had a video club (as we called them
in those days) and rented me Wrestlemania VIII. I loved the stories and the
matches, especially Bret Hart vs. Roddy Piper (Bret was definitely my favorite)
and Ric Flair vs. Macho Man Randy Savage, and Sid who I was also crazy about. I
started watching Prime Time Wrestling and Superstars every week and my parents
took me to see a show sometime after Summerslam 92 which I was incredibly hyped
for.
Jon Eks: I've told this story already on my personal
site, but I went to a house show when I was about 5 during the build to
WrestleMania 2. Hogan fought Bundy and Bundy was kicking his ass. I looked at
my dad and asked with genuine fear, "Is Hulk gonna win?" My dad
looked at the ring, looked back at me, and said with absolute certainty,
"Yes." I wondered how he could be so sure, but after Hogan won, and
then continued to always win, I figured it out pretty fast. But then I was free
to watch it as performance art, and I enjoyed it always from that perspective.
So, WrestleMania 2. I LOVED the British Bulldogs, thought Beefcake looked so
cool, and loved Bret Hart's sunglasses. That's all it really took. I hated
Terry Funk so much at that event, I loved the way JYD pounded the crap out of
him. I was in from there.
joedust: Having something to talk to my dad about
something is what made me a lifelong fan. My dad and I had the worst possible
relationship when I was 10 -- he was a drunk and I was the "adult
child" in the family. Anyway he was a fan before me (I actually told him
when I was six "that's fake" when he turned his wrestling on and my
Saturday morning cartoons off). I started to watch it a little bit in the
summer of 88, and he went to rehab that fall, so I would watch and tell him
what was going on. And it became our thing. And my naturally obsessive nature
meant that I had to follow everything, including getting to college and finding
out that it was work, and who was really in charge and what a Booker was, and
reporting all that stuff back to my dad when he would pick me up at college to
drive me home from weekend breaks. Tonight he's coming over to watch a shitty
ppv and eat dinner, and ten year old me could have never envisioned that
happening, and I thank wrestling for that. So that's why I got hooked. Sure I remember
things like The Warrior killing the Honky Tonk Man, the Mega-Powers exploding,
Bret coming out with the World title in Saskatoon, Heenan showing up with
Flair's world title on Wrestling Challenge, and a bunch of other holy shit
moments from 88-92 as the things that cemented my fandom for good, but I
wouldn't have watched any of it if it didn't become the only thing my dad and I
could share when I was a kid.
Joe, I’m closing on your story. The WWE marketing team would
kill to get their hands on a feel good ordeal like this. It’s the strangest of
things that bring us together sometimes. Wrestling as family therapy? Who would
have thought. It’s great to hear you were able to overcome, and turn an unfair
childhood into a healthy adult relationship.
Thanks to everyone for sharing today. I hope you have a
great Monday, as we kick off another week. Enjoy RAW, and I’ll be back again
tomorrow.
michael chiklis
ReplyDeleteLoved the Commish.
ReplyDeleteReigns probably just because of his connection to The Rock. He seems to be the guy WWE is prepping.
ReplyDeleteRoman Reigns. Why? a) Of the 3, which is more likely to appeal to mainstream media/the masses? Which means, of course, the WWE will force-feed him to us. Ambrose is ultra-talented, but can you really see Ambrose on The Late Show with Jimmy Kimmel? b) The WWE and their cookie-cutter formula won't capitalize on Ambrose's following and c) What other options are there for Rollins or Ambrose? I'm taking an educated guess TNA wont be around in 5 years
ReplyDeleteI'm going to say Dean Ambrose...mostly because Reigns will probably leave wrestling to take over as leader of his Dothraki clan.
ReplyDeleteDean Ambrose. As I've stated he's somewhat of an HBK/Pillman hybrid and just incredibly appealing overall as a talent.
ReplyDeleteReigns is obvious because we all know Vince loves him some big men. But honestly if they book Ambrose correctly I could see him as a modern day loose cannon the crowd rallies behind.
ReplyDeleteRoman Reigns cause they gonna strap that rocket to his ass and hit launch.
ReplyDeleteDean Ambrose will probably be #2.
I'm gonna go with Rollins here. A lot of people here talk about how they want to see Reigns prove himself in an extended 1 on 1 match. I'm more interested in seeing him cut a couple promos on his own that get me emotionally invested in a program.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose is my favorite of the three and a highlight of Raw but I think his current loose cannon persona keeps him at upper mid-card at best.
All of them.
ReplyDeleteThey'll be the Shield again by that time.
Dean Ambrose. Has the most natural charisma, and his batshit crazy character will make him a huge star.
ReplyDeleteMy hunch is that Dean Ambrose is the one who will have the longest lasting legacy, if for no other reason than someone on the booking committee is finally going to realize the parallels with Austin and start building Ambrose that way.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose. He's the most natural talker, has a crazy amount of charisma, a great character and will likely have the grassroot support of the fans.
ReplyDeleteI doubt Ambrose will be the biggest in five years simply due to his age, and Rollins has a ceiling due to his look. It's Reigns, probably.
ReplyDeleteI think that Reigns is the most likely to be a long term
ReplyDeleteupper tier guy. He’s got the look, he’s
good enough in the ring, and WWE is behind him.
That good enough in the ring bit is still sort of up in the air, as he’s
mostly been protected in multi-man situations, but I think that he’ll do ok. He should slide nicely into the small tier of
top guys who trade the title around.
But I think that Ambrose has the greatest potential to be a
real star if he can maintain the level of performance that he’s at now and if
WWE doesn’t impose a ceiling on him.
Reigns is older than Ambrose.
ReplyDeleteYeah I just looked that up. For some reason I thought Ambrose was about my age, not 4 years younger.
ReplyDeleteReigns, cause they want him to be.
ReplyDeletevery underrated show
ReplyDeleteY'know I was just thinking we haven't quite beat this topic into the ground the past few weeks.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose.
He makes me think of Matt Bourne
ReplyDeletehairline
ReplyDeleteRoman Reigns cause
ReplyDeleteHe's got the look . . .
nanananana nanananana na nananananana nanananana nanananananananana He's got the look!
My only issue with Reigns is the long main event match. He has never been in a match on a PPV where he had to wrestle by himself. He's always been in multiman matches.
ReplyDeleteI see people say this a lot, but what long, main event singles match on PPV has Ambrose or Rollins really ever been in?
ReplyDeleteReigns, because he has the best look, the best "presence" for lack of a better word, and because he's clearly the guy that WWE wants to be the biggest star.
ReplyDeleteFor better or worse, that stuff matters more than being the best worker (Rollins) or having the most interesting character (Ambrose).
I think all three are forgotten in five years. Because why not?
ReplyDeleteThis is why Vince should give some thought to recreating territories, maybe by having working relationships with several independent promoters and rebuilding the infrastructure. Ric Flair got in there with George freaking Gadaski in his first match and was carried to a draw. Let guys tour a little bit at lower stakes and learn how to work a match and someone like Roman Reigns can expand his knowledge off-Broadway.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose is Ambrise and that all the Ambrose anyone needs to see to know he can Ambrose.
ReplyDeleteReigns...because only ROH marks care to watch Rollins and Ambrose.
ReplyDeleteIm going with roman reigns. Obvious reasons. He doesn't impress me on the mic at all and very little in the ring. But he definitely has the look and that's what wwe is all about. He can still develop the variables that are missing and wwe will give him every chance to do so imo. If he did flunk as a top guy I don't think they would try to replace him with rollins or ambrose. They would just get another guy with the right look and keep trying until he got over or it obviously wasn't gonna work. And that's why I love wwe so much........... yeah
ReplyDeleteAll three will be gone from the WWE in 5 years.
ReplyDeleteWell, didn't both main event Raws against Daniel Bryan in 20 minute plus matches?
ReplyDeleteI agree but vinces ridiculous ego would never allow him to do that.
ReplyDeleteI see Reigns ending up in that Sheamus role, not that it's a bad thing.
ReplyDeletePPV.
ReplyDeletewhat is samoan for fella
ReplyDeleteMain eventing Raw is pretty close to main-eventing PPVs now.
ReplyDeleteAlso, having a good match with Daniel Bryan isn't a crowning achievement.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else feel Reigns should change his ring gear? He looks weird still in that SWAT gear.
ReplyDeleteno matter if he's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in terms of overall stardom, ambrose will always be the #1 titty master
ReplyDeleteRight now, I think Ambrose has the most upside and has shown more overall talent and skill. But a lot can happen in 5 years.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose has had a few 10-13 minute matches on PPV for the US title against kofi, dolph, rvd.
ReplyDeleteoh like nxt?
ReplyDeleteWere any of those memorable? I get that Amrbose and Rollins are better workers, I just think that argument being used against Reigns is weak.
ReplyDeleteReigns. Look at how awesome they made him look last night.
ReplyDeleteReigns. Ambrose is great, but loose cannon characters tend to burn out in the long run.
ReplyDeleteStone Cold Steve Austin was a loose cannon character and he turned out okay.
ReplyDeleteMore like the old OVW relationship but with several promoters so the guys can travel.
ReplyDeleteWait, is that where that joke came from? He wrote "Titty Master" on his tape?
ReplyDeleteI do not watch, and pretty much never have watched, TNA, but from everything I've ever seen printed about Dixie Carter, she seems to be a scary cross of incompetence and stupidity, like if Verne Gagne and Ole Anderson had a love child.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised the company didn't go tits-up years ago.
But who got the final death blow?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwJ_Iyvilk
Just let the company die already so whatever talents they have left (like maybe 4 guys) can go elsewhere
ReplyDeleteMore Meltzer made up BS. Seriously this guy just makes up stuff out of thin air.I thought TNA was supposed to die earlier this year five times already? And last year? And the year before? And the year before?.....
ReplyDeleteThey turn a profit and have millions of fans who love them and defend them on message boards all day. They will be just fine.
ReplyDeleteI agree, but I think WWE has good business reasons for NOT recreating the territories. WWE has a HUGE moat around their business model in that they have no real competition. The fastest way to create competition is to
ReplyDelete(1) Provide a way for another company to compete with WWE on some level. Imagine if one of their territories started "losing" to a local upstart indy fed in house show attendance. Now, the indy fed "looks" credible which can lead to a TV deal which could hurt
(2) Create a wrestler who is absolutely awesome, over with the fans, somewhat protected, who then becomes a free agent and goes to said indy fed.
Besides, is there a single indy fed out there that is printing money hand over fist? This looks like the equation for the WWE to bleed more money by having 10 NXT's instead of 1. That role, bleeding money, is being served by the Network.
Sarcasm? They are arguably bigger than WWE in the UK. They have a huge international fanbase.
ReplyDeleteMeltzer lost his TNA inside sources about a year ago. Since then he has been out of the loop and incorrect on nearly all of their news stories. The guy just making stuff up because he is upset that he doesn't have guys leaking out info anymore.
One day, someone will find TNA's books in a dusty corner of some abandoned building... if they aren't cooked in the literal sense first.
ReplyDeleteIn those books, will be the reason Panda Energy lost mysterious millions over the years, as little ole' Dixie kept going to mommy and daddy for more and more allowance to keep her toy working.
Your argument that TNA is losing money is just as inaccurate as mine is that they are making money. No one truly knows.
ReplyDeleteWell this is all weird but...I mean it all make since to put your relationships with your network and your Japanese co promoter in jeopardy when you realize its to get...Vince Russo back
ReplyDeleteI would put cash money in a bet on my side of the argument. Would you be so brave?
ReplyDeleteThe over seas TNA go hards will keep the company afloat even without a tv deal. I'm not sure why people even consider Spike important to their future at all. They are bigger than WWE in the UK. They have a young determined fan base. They will be just fine.
ReplyDeleteAnd Jake the Snake...the problem is when guys "live their gimmick". That said, loose cannons generally have to wrestle at a higher intensity level, so they may be more prone to injury than say a plodding big man, but that is speculative.
ReplyDeleteOf course this is not the most shocking thing to occur this year with PWINSIDER! GET MALWARE 4 4 4 4 4 LIFE!
ReplyDeleteNo way. I don't watch wrestling or care enough if companies are turning profits. I watch for the wrestling. Sure I hope the companies all succeed, but that's just not the case.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that TNA has stayed on national TV drawing close to a million or more viewers a week for a decade is an achievement. They have a great sized international market. They cut most of their big name salaries in the last year or so as well. If they have been losing money in the past, this year is going to be their closest to turning a profit than any other year.
Probably not.
ReplyDeleteI thought they have been turning a profit? They have a huge international fan base.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be surprised if they have been turning some profit albeit not huge, but a profit nonetheless. I think even Meltzer, the guy everyone believes, reported a couple years ago that they were out of the red for the first time ever.
ReplyDeleteThen this year should be looking great. Like you said they've cut a lot of big contracts. They are running huge gates overseas for a couple weeks out if the year. Who needs Spike? With an overseas market that they have who needs domestic television. Cable TV is dead. All you need is a rabid international fan base and a superior product. They have both those things. Even Meltzer can't take that away from them.
ReplyDeleteVince Russo once claimed Him vs John Rocker in the main event of Starrcade 2000 would be what put WCW over the WWF. Russo is a poison and no-talent hack. Spike should drop TNA like the shit indy it is and scoop up ROH.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Mutah was aware of Russo's involvement in TNA but was assured by John Gaburick that he wouldn't be anywhere near the Wrestle-1 wrestlers. They also announce that Tajiri was comming to TNA in august for the NY- Tapping and the Wolf will go to japan for an extended time
ReplyDeleteI like TNA, but i would love to see what would ROH would become with a national TV deal
ReplyDeleteyou die and go elsewhere
ReplyDeleteReigns is basically a better Batista.
ReplyDeleteNot really. Austin's character would do whatever he wanted, but he wasn't crazed, like Ambrose. You can only have Dean get ejected from the building for running in on a match or interview like a crazy person so many times.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose is gone in a couple years, Reigns get the usual half-assed push that gets cut off because he's not named Cena and eventually says "fuck this", Rollins becomes a solid upper-midcard guy.
ReplyDeleteI think it's going to Reigns based on injuries, or lack thereof. All three are roughly the same age to rounding error, but Reigns's size will permit him to wrestle a style less conducive to injury than Ambrose or Rollins. Plus, Reigns (debut 2010) has less mileage than Ambrose (debut 2004) & Rollins (debut 2003).
ReplyDeleteI have a query. How much does crowd reaction matter to you? Because, I've always been part of the tiny minority that feels like TNA shows would be more fun if they were shot exclusively in England. Those shows always seem more fun.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I haven't watched the show in a year...
...I guess I just want to think of anything but Russo. That guy seems kinda depressing even when he's speaking his own mind, and not being spoken about third hand.
You don't think they lost money putting on a house show that a grand total of 50 people showed up for?
ReplyDeleteVince Russo is...DEATH BLOW! When someone tries to blow you up, not because of who you are but, for different reasons all together!
ReplyDeleteAll their shows out of the Impact Zone has had hot crowds.
ReplyDeleteIt's a wash when you think of just how huge they are overseas. They are bigger than WWE in the UK.
ReplyDeleteYeah? Ok. I thought I have heard/read that they shoot so many that eventually by the third show the crowds are pretty dead.
ReplyDeleteI saw them live just outside of Chicago and the crowd was molten. It was a venue I've never been to for wrestling. They didn't come close to selling it out, but you could feel the passion as the show was going on. Every fat guy I saw in an NWO had a great time. Real fun show. Had an Aries vs Sting main event that was probably the best Sting match I had seen since 1995.
ReplyDeleteOhhhhh trollin ain't easy
ReplyDeleteYou know, if you make that specific argument 18 times per thread to answer every criticism, someday it'll mean something.
ReplyDeleteAlso, WWE goes to UK and sells out 15,000 seat arenas for TV. Please show me where TNA has ever done that.
You believe what you want to believe.
ReplyDeleteThey are HUGE in the UK. Just listen to the crowds when they are there. The proof is in the passion and those TNA go hards overseas are full of it.
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping TNA gets the axe just so Jarrett has a better group of wrestlers to pick from.
ReplyDeleteThis just smells like one of those Russo-approved shoot storylines to me. I expect someone from "the network" to come out on Impact and cut a scathing promo on Dixie, Russo, and the lot. Russo's contract on a pole match to follow.
ReplyDeleteTNA is not bigger in the UK than the WWE. Not even close.
ReplyDeleteYou and them are full of it all right.
ReplyDeleteDo you work for TNA's PR department or something?
ReplyDeleteYou're getting whooshed.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm running a promotion, I'd rather have 15,000 people reacting to my main event than 1,500 chanting "THIS IS AWESOME" at Eric Young vs. Magnus.
ReplyDeleteI believe literally none of this. Vince Russo isn't a big enough deal in 2014 to be the lynchpin of any kind of negotiation. He's the smark boogeyman at this point.
ReplyDeletetrue
ReplyDeleteI'm trying to keep WCW1987 company so he doesn't have a meltdown. He seemed like he was taking it hard in the update thread. Last thing we need are more accounts deleted.
ReplyDelete5/14 WWE live event in Glasgow, Scotland: 9,500 fans (sellout)
ReplyDelete* 5/15 WWE live event in Newcastle, England: 9,000 fans
* 5/16 WWE live event in Leeds, England: 8,000 fans
* 5/17 WWE live event in Nottingham, England: 9,200 fans
* 5/18 WWE live event in Cardiff, Wales: 4,300 fans (sellout)
* 5/19 WWE RAW/Superstars TV Tapings in London, England: 15,000 fans (sellout)
* 5/20 WWE Smackdown/Main Event TV Tapings in London, England: 9,000 fans
TNA attendance figures from January 29 to February 2, 2014.
* 1/29 house show in Dublin, Ireland: 1,000 fans.
* 1/30 Impact Wrestling TV tapings in Glasgow, Scotland: 5,500 fans.
* 1/31 Impact Wrestling TV tapings in Manchester, England: 2,700 fans.
* 2/1 Impact Wrestling TVtapings in London, England: 4,000 fans.
* 2/2 Joker's Wild PPV taping in Birmingham, England: 3,000 fans.
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Don Callis or GTFO.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea if this is true, but I'm going to pretend it is because Vince Russo being a serial promotion killer is hilarious to me.
ReplyDeleteAwww man! I never found out who got the final death blow!
ReplyDeleteNote to TNA: Adam Pearce is available and can do Russo's job 20,000% better and as an added bonus, he knows how to spell.
ReplyDeleteRRrrrrrrrrollerjam!
ReplyDeleteGood idea. I don't want him deleted. I actually like him.
ReplyDeleteWhat's more hilarious? That Vince Russo is still killing TNA, or that there are at least two people in this thread that seem to honestly believe that TNA is more popular in the UK than WWE.
ReplyDeleteWWE's Apirl 2013 RAW in London was a sellot 16,603 crowd. The November 2013 Raw in Manchester was a sellout 13,614 crowd. The May 2014 RAW in London was a sellout 16,991 crowd. What were TNA's recent UK numbers?
TNA fan boys point to the TV ratings in the UK to say TNA is more popular.
ReplyDeleteRead the story. It doesn't say Spike is going to cancel Impact because of Russo. It says they don't like him or his work.
ReplyDeleteWas it that Hawaiian guy?
ReplyDeletePlease let this shit company just die and go away. And hopefully Vince never buys the library so every godawful thing they ever did is lost to time.
ReplyDeleteWWE averaged 7,200 per show, more than double TNA's 3,200. But despite what Professor Scott Steiner has told us in the past, maybe then numbers DO lie.
ReplyDeleteIn all fairness, those awesome numbers for TNA (especially compared to the BaseBrawl shows in the US). But they aren't more popular in the UK than WWE.
As a fan of the Miz, why would you give a shit what happens to TNA?
ReplyDeleteLogic, Troll! LOGIC!
Everything is fine?
ReplyDeleteI was being sarcastic so as to show the absurdity of what WCW1987 was saying. It's pretty hi brow stuff. I'm trying to get pushed onto the card for BoD Raw tonight.
ReplyDeleteProbably like 1,000,000 million people at least.
ReplyDeleteThey had good matches.
ReplyDeleteThat poor dog.
ReplyDeleteGotcha. Yikes, I'm glad I asked Bayless to keep me out of that BoD Raw stuff.
ReplyDeleteHah. Something about that being a question made me laugh. Upvote
ReplyDeleteYou gotta job at least once.
ReplyDeleteI'm also hoping to write for the blog someday. It seems like the best pathway to that is to make sure everyone hates me.
ReplyDeleteThe whole deal is getting too confusing anyway. I'm not even sure who is the troll and who is the anti troll.
ReplyDeleteAries was defending the title in that match, right?
ReplyDeleteIf so, you definitely caught them during one of their infrequent hot runs. And one hell of a show, IIRC.
That's the spirit, I'd like to write for the blog too one day.
ReplyDeleteVerne Gagne at least ran a successful wrestling company for the first 20 years or so.
ReplyDeleteAnd Ole did have success in Georgia back in the early 80s.
ReplyDeleteLet's both write for the blog! We can be like Matt and Danielle! We can be the REAL power couple of the BoD.
ReplyDeleteThere are no trolls and anti trolls in the BoD, just people making names for themselves.
ReplyDeleteWait...was this directed at me? Because I don't believe that. However, having someone else go out of their way to correct me would be excellent. I'm on fire!
ReplyDeleteJust because you don't agree with the companies internal decisions doesn't mean that there aren't years of exciting matches by talent who were trying their damndest to make that company matter.
ReplyDeleteSo, was that email Er
ReplyDeleteNah, I don't want cheap heat. I want natural heat. Plus my writings would be retro PWO/ Prime stuff.
ReplyDeleteCompany isn't around anymore, but I would like to share it with these here.
Natural heat is way better for the environment...
ReplyDelete...this is what we're talking about, yes?
IT WAS ME, BAYLESS! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BAYLESS!
ReplyDeleteWait, no. It wasn't me. Sorry, reflex response.
but how long was he really on top. He also had to change his character at wm x7 to remain fresh
ReplyDeleteThe match ended with an Acrs and 8's run in so it wasn't all that hot of a run.
ReplyDeleteLoudest pop of the night was for a guy dressed up as Macho Man in the crowd.
.....yeah, that's what we mean.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, Macho Man is pretty awesome.
ReplyDeleteThe guy looked great. I popped loud.
ReplyDeleteShe's the picture in the dictionary beside the term "Money Mark"
ReplyDeleteI'm a troll.
ReplyDeleteI live under a bridge and wait for goats to cross my path.
Sounds perfect! You can be Matt and actually do your own thing and I'll be Danielle and just add quotes from you throughout my write ups because I'm useless without you.
ReplyDeleteWE DA #1 POWER COUPLE!
Hey, remember when Dixie got her Twitter account banned because she put a "Verified" sticker on her wallpaper (which was against Twitter TOS), then a bunch of assholes kept getting her remade Twitter accounts banned after that?
ReplyDeleteFun times.
Anybody on this blog at this point can do 20,000% better than Russo
ReplyDeleteWatching TNA is almost exactly like watching one of those slobs on my 600 pound life who refuses to exercise or diet and blames everything on their glands. You know you should want them to get better but eventually you just cheer for them to die because they're such cunts about everything.
ReplyDeleteI like a guy who thinks big.
ReplyDeleteIs he though? I do like the guy but I need to aee alot more from him
ReplyDeleteTJ - Ziggler was going to win the IC title before they switched it on Tuesday thinking of all that sweet mainstream coverage DTV WWE sequels get? Geez.
ReplyDelete??
ReplyDeleteHypothetically, if this was true, would that be TWO wrestling companies that Vince Russo played a big role in killing?
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, Walton Goggins. Who would have thought?
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHHA, it's so fitting if this ends up being teh final nail in teh TNA coffin.
ReplyDeleteAt least TNA would finally be in a better place. (WWE Network.)
ReplyDeleteWatch him try to deny THIS one in a shoot video.
ReplyDeleteEhhhh I fuck with 05-07 TNA matches, Paparazzi Productions, Nash/Booker/Steiner taking over Impact in 2009 and thats about it. Throw in some late 2000's Beautiful People wearing slutty ring gear, Mickie James ass and idk...Traci Brooks rack.
ReplyDeleteTrash to the rest of the library
The highest attended show on their most recent show was 5500 in Scotland.
ReplyDelete"The Long Slow Death of TNA: Wrestling's Worst Company Ever" should be a fun documentary on the Network. Have your boy Christian host it.
ReplyDeleteEven Uwe Boll could do a better job than Russo. At least some of his films have made money.
ReplyDelete40 people at a house show in a baseball stadium. Absolutely pathetic.
ReplyDeleteIt's been on national TV for 10 years now and they can't outdraw an open mic in the back of a shitty bar.
That would be excellent.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that Ambrose will become a bigger name even if Reigns goes on to hold more titles and win more main events. Reigns will be given every single opportunity to get over, like a Cena. While Ambrose will over time pick up the support of the majority of the fans, like a Punk or Bryan. I think they could all benefit from some changes in their look, the SWAT gear is weird when they're not a team.
ReplyDeleteWade...since day 1 Spike tv and I got a long great!
ReplyDeleteBoy was breaking up Paparazzi Productions ever a stupid idea.
ReplyDeleteAlex Shelley was even the company's biggest merchandise mover during that time so of course TNA capitalized on that by killing the gimmick that was getting him over and never releasing another Alex Shelley T-shirt again.
Not to mention stupidly burying him in 2011 when he could had been their version to CM Punk.
In 5 years Jon Moxley and Tyler Black will be tag champs in ROH and Roman will be a mid carder on Smackdown, similar to what Wade Barrett or Sheamus is today. So take you're pick.
ReplyDeleteLol since DAY ONE
ReplyDeleteThe media didn't care one bit that Rock was WWE champion when he was promoting G.I. Joe 2 and Pain & Gain. What makes WWE think the media will care about a much smaller star like the Miz being a second-tier champion?
ReplyDeleteThen again, this is WWE -- the company that clutches to the modicum of mainstream fame the Miz got a dozen years ago on an MTV reality show in a desperate hope that the mainstream still cares.
That's an argument that a 5 year old would make. There's tons of evidence out there that show TNA is a money loser. House show (non) attendance, no PPV, shitty ratings that have only decreased over time, zero mainstream recognition factor, obviously terrible merch sales, and the fact that over the years people within the company such as AJ Styles himself have stated that TNA operates in the red.
ReplyDeleteGet your head outta the sand. They're basically a money laundering scheme for teh Carters at this point.
He'd probably somehow try to work in the last Nash Nitro getting a 2.7 in that one too.
ReplyDeleteThey should hire the Mystery Science Theater guys to crack jokes over old TNA PPVs and put that on the Network too.
ReplyDeleteAries wasn't champ then.
ReplyDeleteMeltzer is batting 0% in his "TNA is dead" guess attempts. I'll take my chances.
ReplyDeleteZiggler was never going to win.
ReplyDeleteThat would be phenomenal, especially since iv been on a Mystery Science Theater kick the last few weeks and I can totally see it
ReplyDeleteIts a shame Josh Mathews got let go to. Are You Serious with him and Road Dogg blasting TNA would be the tits
If Tommy Dreamer is to be believed, everything's going to be a-okay for the company. And maybe I'm an optimist, but I believe the guy.
ReplyDeleteShow me a quote or a story where Meltzer said that TNA was going out of business.
ReplyDeleteOnce again. There's no solid proof either way. Shitty ratings? What are you getting your numbers from? They had 1.4 million this past week. 1.2 the week before.
ReplyDeleteThey don't spend a ton of money on advertising which is cheap but also a little bit of a fault. Oh yeah let's trust AJ Styles! I'm sure he's involved in all of their business and financial meetings because he has a beautiful mind for numbers. AJ is a whiny guy that expected at 36 years old to not take a paycut. It is his fault that he refused a $200,000 contract offer to instead go work 280 dates a year for the Indy's/Japan instead of working half of those dates and making just as much if not more..
My head isn't in the sand. Everyone's hand is up Wrestling Observer's butt and believe every single thing that they put out.
I typed "TNA going out of business,meltzer" on Google. It came back with 1.8 million hits. How many of them have been correct?
Thanks bud. You can hate all you want on them. The product isn't for you. You don't like what you read when you read the results every week instead of watching. That's fine. Thousands of you do it each week. You have to call a spade a spade. They are still ALIVE and KICKING and you can't SAY or DO anything that proves that wrong.
You should check out Mark Madden's quarterly "TNA will die soon" rants that are almost as bad as Jack Van Impe's "The world will soon come to an end" predictions.
ReplyDeleteHe probably has a database of those dating back to 2003. Take an aspirin before you start though.
WWE spends MILLIONS on their advertising each year. TNA spends not nearly that much at all and they still draw huge crowds in the UK.
ReplyDeleteIf you did the math and subtracted advertising money from the gates, TNA would be well ahead.
You can't even compare WWE to TNA when it comes to financials. WWE is a far bigger and recognizable company. TNA is doing great over there considering how little they advertise.
I'd rather have 1,500 people screaming and chanting the whole show than 15,000 sitting on their hands or being yelled at to sit down for 95% of the show.
ReplyDeleteWhere has Meltzer ever reported TNA is going out of business? Him reporting on bad TNA financials, ratings decline trends, bad house show numbers, bad PPV numbers, or calling the actual product awful--- those aren't him saying "TNA will be out of business by such and such date." Seriously, pull one quote where he's actually said that.
ReplyDeleteYou're reaching so bad, man.
It's Coen, not Cohen when it comes to the directors of A Serious Man.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to Meekin, we've been waiting for the company to die since Styles was let go.
ReplyDeleteYou know I really can no longer watch WWF stuff from 1999 where Russo had more free reign. It's really terrible and DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Also it all seems so juvenile. Give me some 80's WWF or WCW pre 98.
ReplyDeleteThere isn't one. He's just trying to change the argument from "TNA sucks and is clearly on its last legs" to "uhm, Dave Meltzer you guys!"
ReplyDeleteI like all three, but Reigns will be the biggest star. Ambrose will probably be gone in five years, and Rollins will probably get the Dolph Ziggler treatment within three years.
ReplyDeleteA FUCKING mark like you knows nothing about the business because you've never worked in it a day in your life. Yknow, like Vince Russo in 93ish?
ReplyDeleteOr Vince in the early 70s?
ReplyDeleteOr Jim Crockett before his father died or whatever?
ReplyDeleteThe same Tommy Dreamer who claimed he had a $110 million offer on the table to buy ECW in 2001. I just can't trust him after he spouted that nonsense.
ReplyDeleteOr any member of WWE creative before they got hired except like Michael Hayes?
ReplyDeleteWWF got so much better when Russo left. 2000-era WWF was quite awesome. WCW in late '99 and mid-2000 with Russo at the helm was, well, pretty horrendous.
ReplyDeleteTazz: "What is Vince Russo doing in the Impact Zone?"
ReplyDeleteRusso: "Since DAY ONE, I've had to deal with the bullshit with Spike tv. I am a former WCW World Heavyweight Champion! I saved the WWE! I made David Arquette AND Jeff Jarrett WCW Champion! I know what you people want! Tonight, Bobby Lashley will defend the title against a guy that deserves a shot, Jeff Jarrett! Spike tv, you bald sons of bitches, you can kiss mu ass!"
Mike Tenay: "This is big news, Tazz! Vince Russo is back in charge!"
Tazz: "This is a rocket busta! Russo knows how to fix TNA! He took the WWE and WCW took new heights !"
*** One Week Later ***
Tenay: "Well fans, this is our 'season finale'"
Where does one go to get pub for a DTV movie anyway?
ReplyDeleteGod, so many cliffhangers in that Nitro season finale...
ReplyDeleteI don't even know! lol
ReplyDelete"I wrote for a magazine under a pseudonym! I knew the business, brah!"
ReplyDeleteWait, I got it! Probably an interview on 411mania.com!
ReplyDeleteThen you definitely shouldn't run a business.
ReplyDeleteThose podcasts were great, I never cared for Tommy in the ring but he always seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders, I'm happy that he's still out there doing shows.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to Alex Shelley? That guy was great!
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