The SmarK Retro Rant for Saturday Night's Main Event #13 - November 1987
(So yeah, the Network randomly stops here with the SNMEs, so we’ll finish this one off and take a break until they finally upload the rest.)
- Taped from Seattle, WA, as evidenced by Brian Bosworth sitting ringside and making a jackass of himself.
- Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jesse Ventura.
- George "The Animal" Steele v. Danny Davis.
Davis's heel stock was quickly falling, which is too bad, because if he had anything in the ring to back up his great character, he could have been something pretty big in the midcard. Steele does some biting and choking to start, and Davis wisely runs away. Davis loses a slugfest. Several times. Steele even slips in a drop toehold, and we get another chase. Davis hits him with a foreign object, however, and we get some tiresome and repetitive Jerry Lawler schtick out of that in the corner. Steele finally puts him in the flying hammerlock to get rid of him, and Davis kicks the ref to escape. (Steele d. Davis, DQ, 3:52, DUD) Total nothing match.
- Randy Savage v. Bret Hart.
This was Bret's coming-out party as a potential single, as Vince basically challenged him to show him that he could work the leg and be a featured guy. So he did. Savage attacks Bret on the floor and sends him into the post, because he's PISSED about the whole "Liz getting shoved" thing. Into the ring, he pounds away in the corner, but misses a charge and Bret stomps him. Bret drops an elbow, but puts his head down and gets elbowed to the apron. Savage tries to drag him in, then slingshots him into the railing instead, a later signature Bret spot. Jimmy & Anvil stall for time with Savage, so Randy gets rid of them and goes after Bret with a flying axehandle to the floor, but he meets megaphone on the way down. Back in, Bret knees him down and drops a leg. Savage gets hung in the Tree of Woe and stomped, and Bret follows with a piledriver for two. He misses a charge and hits post, and Savage sends him into the other post for good measure. Savage goes up and gets the flying axehandle for two. Bret comes back with the backbreaker, but misses the second rope elbow. Savage necksnaps him for two, and normally this would mark the finish of an SNME match, but this time Savage charges and gets backdropped to the floor, twisting his ankle in the process. Liz desperately pulls Savage's boot off as we take a break, thus relieving the swelling. The image of Savage in his sock would become iconic of this match later on and proved a memorable hook. Savage hops back into the ring, unable to use the bad foot, and Bret immediately takes him down and goes after the ankle. He wraps it around the post and drops a knee on it, but gets kicked into the post. Savage hops up again and necksnaps him for two. Bret goes back to the foot again, getting a half-crab, but Savage makes the ropes. He crawls to the apron, but Bret slams him in, and Savage quickly reverses for the pin. (Savage d. Hart, rollup -- pin, 11:58, ***3/4) This match basically laid out the later formula for PPV main events, and in fact the heat segment on the leg was relatively short compared to what we would be used to seeing later on. I think it was actually too short for ****, even by 1987's standards, but Savage's selling was impeccable and it was a memorable match for good reason. (I was losing my shit watching this in 1987. I thought Bret was no match for Macho and then I was terrified that Savage was going to lose to this tag team wrestler before he finally pulled it out. It was great stuff.)
- WWF title: Hulk Hogan v. King Kong Bundy.
It's BUNDYMANIA running wild in Seattle. The crowd is throwing a LOT of garbage into the ring, a rarity for the relatively well-behaved crowds attracted by the 80s WWF. Shoving match and Hulk grabs a headlock, but Bundy overpowers him. Hulk takes him down for two, but tries a slam and Bundy falls on top of him for two. Choking follows. He misses a splash, however, and Hulk fights back with the clothesline and elbows for two. Hulk slugs away but puts his head down, and gets clobbered. We hit the chinlock. Hulk fights out and gets the big boot, but Andre trips him up and the bell rings. BUT WAIT. In fact, the ref is only tossing him out, and we restart after a break. Back with Bundy pounding on Hulk in the corner, but Hulk gets the corner clothesline and rams him into all four corners. High knee, but Hulk misses an elbow, and Bundy pounds him down for two. Bundy, amateur chiropractor by night, walks on Hulk's back and gives him a massage in the form of a bearhug. Hulk escapes, but runs into an elbow, and it's Avalanche season. Sadly, it's also Hulk Up Season, so Bundy gets the hell out of there. They brawl on the floor, and Bobby sneakily grabs hold of Hulk's leg. (Bundy d. Hogan, COR, 10:21, **1/2) Surprisingly good power match, actually.
- Hercules v. Bam Bam Bigelow.
They trade power to start, getting nowhere in either case, so Herc throws knees, but misses a charge. He fights on and clotheslines Bammer out, then pounds him on the apron. Bigelow snapmares Hercules to the floor and they brawl outside. (Hercules DCOR Bigelow, 3:04, 1/4*) Well, that certainly went nowhere. But (babyface) didn't come all the way to (city) for (screwjob)! If (heel) has the (synonym for bravery), he'll get into the ring RIGHT NOW!
- Hercules v. Bam Bam Bigelow. Take two, as Bam Bam's mad libs were enough to convince him during the break. They try the power stuff again to no effect, and Bigelow knocks him down for some ground and pound. Dropkick misses and Herc drops an elbow, and a knee. He stalls too long, however, and when he goes up, he lands in a press slam. Slingshot splash ends it. (Bigelow d. Hercules, splash -- pin, 2:36, 1/4*) That wasn't much better.
The Pulse:
Certainly get the Hart-Savage match (searching YouTube is a good start), and maybe Hogan-Bundy if you're a completist, but the rest is a definite pass.
Is this the only tv match between savage and Bret?
ReplyDeleteExcept if you count WCW, but yeah I was begging for these two to feud in 93/94, but never came outside of a houseshow.
ReplyDeleteI think so.
ReplyDeleteMan, listening to Ventura rag on McMahon all these years later, it just blows me away how Jesse was pretty much right all the time and McMahon was such an idiot character. When I was a kid, I HATED Ventura.
ReplyDeleteI'm still mad they didn't do Bret-Savage @ WM IX in a "passing of the torch." Savage playing the paranoid veteran who desperately wants to regain the title at the biggest event of the year would've been great.
ReplyDeleteThat story would have played better at WMX after Hulk Hogan's firing. Savage turns heel fearing he'd be next on the chopping block.
ReplyDeleteSlamboree 98 as well.
ReplyDelete"So yeah, the Network randomly stops here with the SNMEs, so we’ll finish this one off and take a break until they finally upload the rest."
ReplyDeleteAccording to the Observer, "finally" will be early September.
Savage was SO fucking over the entire time they were trying to push Bret, Yoko and others- he could have easily been THE GUY once again, but Vince just absolutely wouldn't have it. It would've been perfect too, because Bret & Diesel lacked strong heels to fight them during their reigns, and Yoko only had Bret & Luger as faces. Savage could have done either.
ReplyDeleteThey main evented a WWF show in Japan in 1994 against each other too. I've never seen the match, but PWI reported it as being very good ta the time.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling that the pitch for the WWE Network should be Jake Roberts 1992 theme: "Trust me....."
ReplyDeleteThe "80s Face Promo" Mad Libs are a nice touch.
ReplyDeleteThe match order here seems more like a Raw than a SNME.
ReplyDeleteI can easily see them not trying this because of them being afraid of "mixed reactions".
ReplyDelete(I mean, they didn't even do Hart vs. Luger in 1994 - and that combination seems much more likely than Hart vs. Savage)
when you say "paranoid", do you mean heel? Cause even a face vs face match would have been just fine. And I definitely wanted it too, especially after knowing that Bret never got to beat Hogan or Warrior. So it just felt like Bret was the default champ because all the real champs were gone.
ReplyDeleteFor those that hated Jesse and loved Hogan I give you this "How dare he step into Hollywood! Let me tell you something Hogan, Hollywood is MY DOMAIN!! But I can see why your doing it. Your doing it Hogan because you going to lose to The Macho Man. And you lose to him your going to have no job!" at which point he rambles incoherently until he leaves and cools down.
ReplyDeleteI've long said that they should have done Savage/Bret at 9. Or at the very least, have him be the one who attacks Bret after KOTR and he goes back to his Macho King persona.
ReplyDeleteToo meta.
ReplyDeleteEven as an 8 year old I can remember thinking that Steele match was terrible.
ReplyDeleteWhat a shock. Hotshotting more stuff in September to try for the mythical renewal period.
ReplyDeleteI figured out the other day if they started with episode 1 of Nitro the day of the launch, at a rate if 1-2 episodes a week, they'd be hitting Scott Hall invading Nitto right around the time the renewals were coming due. I don't understand how that wasn't part of their strategy.
ReplyDeleteEverything is fine?
ReplyDeleteSteamboat = Fired
ReplyDeleteHugh Morrus = Head trainer.
lol
Steamboat is fired but DeMott is still there,go figure.
ReplyDeleteThe future of pro-wrestling is in the hands of DeMott.
ReplyDeleteAnd Billy Gunn!
ReplyDeleteSo sad.
ReplyDeleteIn fairness, we don't know who has more actual value as a trainer. DeMott might be a better fit for the job.
ReplyDeleteNot all great players make great coaches.
Everyone says DeMott is a idiot and doesn't know how to teach.
ReplyDeleteThey have no strategy. It's obvious at this point.
ReplyDeleteWho's everyone?
ReplyDeleteTons of indy wrestlers who were at the center.
ReplyDeleteSo a bunch of guys who didn't make it thought that the trainer was shit?
ReplyDeleteSounded like guys that were pissed off more than anything.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else notice that the link sites PWInsider Elite as the source? Or are we done with that now?
ReplyDeleteWhat got me hooked? Hulkamania all the way, baby. He was a comic book character come to life, and he was fighting other larger-than-life figures and beating them. Whatcha gonna do, brother? I'm gonna watch Hulk Hogan win another match.
ReplyDeleteHogan/Andre I suppose since WM3 was basically when I started watching full time. Shortly after the actual event because I didn't see it until it came out on VHS.
ReplyDeleteBut I stayed for the Hart Foundation mainly, and Savage.
They should fire their "Head Storyteller" or whatever stupid title the head writer has.
ReplyDeleteWhen you've got a point, you've got a point.
ReplyDeleteAt this point I think the only person in that company who cares at all about their past is Fink...and he gets mocked for it constantly.
ReplyDeleteSavage turning on Hogan to start the WrestleMania V feud. Best booking ever.
ReplyDeleteAnd people HATE Cena for this lol
ReplyDeleteNot so much an angle, but an event. Survivor Series 1993 is the first time I ever watched pro wrestling. It was at my best friend's house. I was in awe of what was going on and got hooked at 9 years old. 21 years later, still hooked.
ReplyDeleteNot the young kids who cheer for him. And when Hulkamania started kicking, I was 5 years old, watching the WWF with my grandfather, God rest his soul.
ReplyDeleteThey've been copying the Hogan formula with Cena, unfortunately, it's a different era, where it may not fly as well.
Now that is scary.
ReplyDeleteFor me, it was Savage chasing HTM for the IC title and Jimmy Hart and the Hart Foundation doing anything to help HTM keep the title. One of the first matches I watched that I still remember was that great Savage vs Bret Hart SNME match where an injured Savage rolled him up for the win. My memory is hazy, but this feud led to the friendship of Savage and Hogan and Savage's WM4 title win and HTM escaping this feud with the belt eventually ended perfectly with Ultimate Warrior winning that title.
ReplyDeleteThe kids still love Cena and the adults are split on him. Hogan was loved by all, which was what set him apart. I agree with you that it is a different era and things are much different now in terms of the product and fanbase.
ReplyDeleteNo worries, Steamboat will be back as a trainer in four years as "The Dragon", with no prior mention of his days as an NXT trainer.
ReplyDeleteThere's no one angle that got me hooked. But the whole Windham, Luger, horseman angle was awesome. I'd love to know if Windham was the plan from day one, and it was just a matter of when to set the turn in motion . . or did simply evolve into Windham being the one selected for the turn.
ReplyDeleteWell what could Rickey Steamboat possibly have to offer wrestling trainees anyway?
ReplyDeleteThe first one I properly remember was the Magnum TA - Nikita Koloff Best of 7 series. The heat for those matches was off the scale and to my young mind was the best thing ever.
ReplyDeleteI never really bought into Hulkamania cause well...I cheered the heels against Hogan. To this day I love a good heel turn.
Seriously. It isn't like he was one of the best workers of all time. People act like he was such a great worker that he came out of retirement after 15 years and had some very decent matches at like 60 years old.
ReplyDeleteRandy Savage on a stage mocking Dibiase in the ring. "I'll take on you and your ugly bodyguard right NOW."
ReplyDeleteI was ten. I was hooked.
Well it obviously couldn't be the indy guys themselves that were the problem. That would be ludicrous! And just look how they turned out. All big stars, I'm sure.
ReplyDeleteWrestleMania 3, Andre and Hogan.
ReplyDeleteTully Blanchard vs. Magnum TA, I QUIT. "Say it!" "NOOOO" Thunk. "SAY IT!" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO"
ReplyDeleteWrestling Inc? Fuck that website.
ReplyDeleteFinally a question that has never been asked before.
ReplyDeleteAnd he still hasn't answered my question!
ReplyDeleteYeah I say good riddance. I really can't think of any good matches he's ever had, especially not in 1989, so I don't even know what would make him qualified to give any kind of advice to potential wrestlers. I mean his wrestling name wasn't even a pun and he never roughed up anyone for real during a worked match or sandbagged a guy on TV so he probably doesn't even love this business.
ReplyDeleteAnd you've heard about the way he shakes hands right?
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't anything specific. My one buddy got me into wrestling in like 97 or so and I started from casually watching to making sure I was in front of my TV at 8 PM on Mondays for TNT.
ReplyDeleteSeems like Steamer would be the type of guy with a job for life. Wonder what led to this decision.
ReplyDeleteBundy attacking Hogan on SNME setting up Wrestlemania II got me interested. Orndorff turning on Hogan kept me for good.
ReplyDeleteMr. Fothergill-Brown, you've never owned a business have you? There's nothing like getting a Monday morning call from an employee saying they quit and just f'ing up the whole work week. Typical wrestler jock sniffer.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah! Steamboat is guy who has no respect for wrestling and also really sucks at it, so he was probably just ruining evey prospect he worked with. This one call the wwe definitely got right.
ReplyDeleteWho'd "Ricky Steamboat" ever beat?
ReplyDeleteThe Paul Orndorff vs. Hulk Hogan SNME cage match. I watched that over and over to see who REALLY hit the floor first.
ReplyDeleteStart watching in the early 80's, but I was hooked when Savage attacked Steamboat. And, as a child, I was cheering for Savage. Was hooked on NWA watching the first Clash of the Champions. Stopped watching for a long time in the 90's, only to return during the nWo/Attitude era. It was actually ECW that got me to start watching again, it would air on MSG Network at like 2am, and I found it by accident. Stopped again during the Invasion angle (such a poor job by WWE that I just turned the product off 100%) and only returned last year. Not sure how long I will last now, but Ambrose/Rollins has my interest.
ReplyDeleteHad this employee stayed with the company would he be owed thousands of dollars that he'll never get back?
ReplyDeleteVince: "Who the fuck hired Steamboat?"
ReplyDeleteHeel turns today suck so bad. They're so ho-hum nowadays.
ReplyDeleteThe last one I can remember is Punk attacking Rock with a clothesline. Before that...maybe HBK super-kicking Hogan (that one was a nice shocker).
The first angle I vividly remember was Earthquake squashing Hogan before Summerslam 90. I was terrified of the whole ordeal but it hooked me. I was five years old and had my mom dictate a get well soon letter to Hulk and everything. I know I'd watched before that because I have pictures of my third birthday where I got a bunch of AWA toys and I went to house shows prior, but Hogan/Quake is the first thing I clearly remember.
ReplyDeleteWhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ReplyDeleteI was watching the WWF for about a year (the first major match I saw was the Savage IC title win over Santana in Boston on my bday in 1986) but when I gave the NWA on TBS a chance...I was hooked for life. The first major NWA angle I remember was Jim Cornette torching Ronnie Garvin and Jimmy Garvin coming out to help his estranged "brother." This was right after Starrcade '86 and I remember being awed by the Skywalker video COMMERCIALS, let alone the event itself. The Road Warriors sealed the deal and about 6 months later the first Wargames in 1987 became my favorite match of all time to this day.
ReplyDeleteI discovered WWF and Hogan leading up to the first Wrestlemania. After, the Orndorff turn on Hogan had me tuning in more often. But the Hogan/Andre and Piper/Adonis stuff leading up to WM3 is what hooked me for life. By then, I was also watching the NWA on TBS, World Class/AWA depending on what ESPN was carrying, and the local WWA show where a young Scott Rechsteiner was getting his start. I'd also beg my parents to take me to the video store and rent Coliseum Video tapes over and over every week. Couldn't get enough back then.
ReplyDeleteYou and me both brother. These guys were GODS to a 10 year old from Chicago. Me and my brother used to set up the boombox in the living room, blast "Iron Man" and then storm the "ring" and kill two imaginary jobbers over and over again.
ReplyDeleteVince has done a great job of conditioning fans to treat wrestlers like circus animals. Yes how dare a guy go from making no money to making money. What about how I wanted him to bleed in ECW for free?
ReplyDeleteRing bell to the throat for the win
ReplyDeleteIt's been said a million times but Hulk was on tv much less than Cena and I think that helped keep him stay over whereas if you've been watching Cena over the past ten years, you've seen him dominate someone week after week that whole time. Hulk only wrestled on free tv a few times a year.
ReplyDeleteOne year from now headline:
ReplyDeleteThe WWE has announced that they have hired The Dragon as a new head trainer for NXT.
We're trying to be done with it.
ReplyDeleteWWE logic!
ReplyDeleteWrong promotion.
ReplyDeleteAnd Road Dogg.
ReplyDeleteVince isn't gonna fire himself.
ReplyDeleteTrue, but it seems like in wrestling, a lot of the most successful wrestlers have had high success rates as trainers (I'm going back to the 50's, 60's and 70's when it was commonplace for top wrestlers to train new people).
ReplyDeleteI think the most important thing when evaluating a trainer is really whether or not they were a good hand. Some wrestlers are simply too limited athletically to have made it big, but might be good trainers because they had a great grasp for psychology and other fundamental aspects of the sport. I'm just not sure Bill DeMott ever screamed, "really smart worker who is able to maximize his abilities."
Any truth to the rumor they just hired Honky Ton Man as his replacement?
ReplyDeleteEven his real name would have been an awesome wrestling name. Richard Blood sounds like a badass.
ReplyDeleteI'm shocked they never did a storyline where Vince had an accident and had a split personality. He could have had dueling heel and face storylines at the same time. More McMahon for everyone!
ReplyDeleteI loved Ventura when I was a kid because he made more sense than the babyface announcers, especially McMahon. The WWF babyfaces were hypocrites and I loved how Ventura always pointed that out.
ReplyDeleteThree guys is tons now?
ReplyDeleteThen people could chant "We Want Dick Blood!"
ReplyDelete(that's the joke)
ReplyDeleteHis son did suck before he hurt himself, and Randy Savage carried his sorry ass to his only good match I can think off.
ReplyDeleteKevin Dunn :No one up here knows who he is"
ReplyDeleteWhich Dragon? Super Dragon? Dragon Dragon?
ReplyDeleteBundy and Hogan always had good chemistry together. I've seen a few of their house show matches from 1986 and they were all solid.
ReplyDelete"I'm thinking it's gonna get worse before it gets better anyway."
ReplyDeleteBetween firing trainers, the budget cuts, forcing the ring crew to work ungodly hours and pay their own travel, the underwhelming subscription numbers, the declining quality of the product, etc. etc. etc., I'm starting to wonder IF it ever gets better.
Shoulda been there for my last kidney stone.
ReplyDeleteMaybe if he subscribed to the Network 300,000 times? Maybe that could save his job?
ReplyDeleteRemember the GI Joe figure Major Blood?
ReplyDeleteAndyway Richard Blood would make an awesome fucking heel.
You know who they should have gotten? "The Dragon." He was only around for a few months in 1991 but that dude could breath fucking fire. He could teach that to the Vaudvillians. That would be awesome to add to their carny act.
ReplyDeleteIf we steal from a thief does that fall under two wrongs make a right?
ReplyDeleteI'll never believe DeMott adds anything.
ReplyDeleteRoad Dogg can at least teach guys how to sell.
ReplyDeleteI'd pay to hear Tony Schivone's thoughts on WCW's decline, especially 2000, working with Mark Madden and Vince Russo.
ReplyDeleteI think I'd still hate the guy though.
Phew! Thank god Hugh Morrus is still running things!
ReplyDeleteDid Honky Tonk Man take his place?
ReplyDeleteThey should bring in Shane Douglas to train. That guy used to be a dean for god's sake!
ReplyDeleteJ/K that guy sucks.
At least they will have catchphrases and mike skills and maybe they can also sing.
ReplyDeleteFire Ricky Steamboat, leave David Otunga. Seems legit.
ReplyDeleteClearly Ricky Steamboat's act was dated and stale and his style is stuck in the 1980s. He just couldn't wrap his head around fresh ideas like pushing a Russian monster heel in 2014.
ReplyDeleteThen he loses to Hogan in three seconds. Nah, we got to let Yokozuno win it, brother -- makes me look better. Randy is nuts, and won't protect me, dude.
ReplyDeleteBundy might have not been a great worker or even usable outside of the Hogan era -- but he could work some great matches with Hogan. I always loved the October 13, 1985 match between them in Boston -- where Hogan wins with the deadlift power slam.
ReplyDeleteDanny Davis had the Eric Bischoff look and attitude. I thought he really had what it took to be a heel or a heel manager or something. He had the mic skills, but he was jobbing by the end of the year and into the next and then in 1989 he was a referee again - thus ending the crooked referee storyline.
ReplyDeleteAnd teach them how to catch guys doing moonsaults, too.
ReplyDeleteIf they uploaded every Hogan match they own -- I'll spend 19.99 a month for it.
ReplyDeleteVentura was also decent in WCW too -- especially when the Boss showed up to sneak attack Rude. Classic Ventura there . . .
ReplyDeleteCould have been the clique pushing thier own agendas...
ReplyDeleteI love the anti-climactic end to Davis' heel run. "Okay Danny, we think the last two years of beatings made you learn your lesson. You can be a referee again!"
ReplyDeleteHe was never a good worker by any means, but he was a great midcard face.
ReplyDeleteI'll never get over that title change. I thought Honky didn't have a chance in hell against Steamer, because he beat Macho Man! Mark.
ReplyDeleteI don't have the Network or my VHS handy, but didn't Savage glance at Hogan for hugging Liz at WM4, or for holding up her hand in celebration?
ReplyDeleteIf he did I missed it. Dammit now I have to fire up the DVD player to see if that happened.
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