Today's Question: Kind of a random question of the day, but who is your favorite professional athlete of all-time - outside of the wrestling business?
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Yesterday's Question:
In sort of a continuation of yesterday, I hear people talking about WWE
Style. Strictly focusing on the in-ring product, I think we are headed
for a more homogenized product, as WWE insists on new guys going thru
developmental first. So my question is: What automatically comes to mind when you hear someone refer to the "WWE Style"?
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Yesterday's question was sort of an extension of Tuesday's topic, but I just wanted to get a feel for what everyone was referring to when they mentioned WWE in-ring style.
Kyle Fitta: WWE matches typically follow the same format. The beginning starts with the babyface's fire period, with him or her going crazy and avoiding everything the heel throws at him. In more strategic matches, the story establish that the babyface is superior because of their strength, power, technical, highflying skills, or whatever. The next portion is where the heel takes over. This could happen for a number of reasons - the heel could have cheated, the babyface could have failed to deliver high-spot, the heel could have found a weakness, etc. The heel will then methodically dictate the pace of the match. A good heel will listen to the crowd's reactions to know the right time for cut-off a comeback and when babyface should get in hope-spots or make their comeback. This all builds to the finishing sequence, which usually occurs after the babyface makes their full-blown comeback. Generally, this when the wrestlers go for the deathblow as they try to hit their trademark spots and finishers. The structure has stayed simple, but all the twist and turns, the psychology, the wrestlers' personalities, and the story can make it a masterpiece.
Stuart Chartrock:
redman:Main event matches-Punch, kick, chop, chinlock, at one point someone has to be outta the ring for the commercial break. Then another chinlock when the break is over. Then a nice nearfall sequence at the end with a finisher always being what is used to win. Absolutely no story
Midcard marches- punch, kick, chop, chinlock, distraction, roll up finish
As far as entertainment goes, the matches are consistently better today than they ever have been IMO. But I see so many of them every week and they are a ALL THE SAME kind of match that I get bored of it.
Garth Holmberg C.C.:WWE Style has always been focus on working for the production crew than the live audience. Yes, the audience is a major part of the show, but look at the latest Rumble: There's a horrible production botch where we see Kane sitting at ringside 20 minutes before his due run-in. Why? Because they were trying to catch something else going on that was important to production than the in-ring product, and they fucked it up rather than the performer. Just one of many examples that come to mind, but one that had me scratching my head at such a bush league move.
Jason Clark:
Based on the responses, it follows a basic format.....
Kyle Fitta: WWE matches typically follow the same format. The beginning starts with the babyface's fire period, with him or her going crazy and avoiding everything the heel throws at him. In more strategic matches, the story establish that the babyface is superior because of their strength, power, technical, highflying skills, or whatever. The next portion is where the heel takes over. This could happen for a number of reasons - the heel could have cheated, the babyface could have failed to deliver high-spot, the heel could have found a weakness, etc. The heel will then methodically dictate the pace of the match. A good heel will listen to the crowd's reactions to know the right time for cut-off a comeback and when babyface should get in hope-spots or make their comeback. This all builds to the finishing sequence, which usually occurs after the babyface makes their full-blown comeback. Generally, this when the wrestlers go for the deathblow as they try to hit their trademark spots and finishers. The structure has stayed simple, but all the twist and turns, the psychology, the wrestlers' personalities, and the story can make it a masterpiece.
Stuart Chartrock:
redman:Main event matches-Punch, kick, chop, chinlock, at one point someone has to be outta the ring for the commercial break. Then another chinlock when the break is over. Then a nice nearfall sequence at the end with a finisher always being what is used to win. Absolutely no story
Midcard marches- punch, kick, chop, chinlock, distraction, roll up finish
As far as entertainment goes, the matches are consistently better today than they ever have been IMO. But I see so many of them every week and they are a ALL THE SAME kind of match that I get bored of it.
Garth Holmberg C.C.:WWE Style has always been focus on working for the production crew than the live audience. Yes, the audience is a major part of the show, but look at the latest Rumble: There's a horrible production botch where we see Kane sitting at ringside 20 minutes before his due run-in. Why? Because they were trying to catch something else going on that was important to production than the in-ring product, and they fucked it up rather than the performer. Just one of many examples that come to mind, but one that had me scratching my head at such a bush league move.
Jason Clark:
Based on the responses, it follows a basic format.....
* Authority has 20-minute talking segment
* Authority makes a match (which if its early in the show, starts....RIGHT NOW)
* Punch, kick, punch, kick for about 2 mins, then take a powder
* Michael Cole changes inflection and goes to commercial
* resthold, chinlock, etc. etc.
(No new spots whatsoever)
The only variation is the finish which depends on a few factors:
- If the match involves John Cena, then Cena hits 5-knuckle shuffle (100% of the time) and gets the AA after one failed attempt
- If the match involves mid-carders, then the finish will include a distraction (either by the next PPV opponent or the MUSIC OF the PPV opponent) followed by a roll-up or caught by their finisher
- 90% of ALL matches must end with the winner hitting his finisher - with the exception of the aforementioned distraction/roll-up. Also, the recipient must be in PERFECT position to recieve the finisher at the perfect time. For example, for RVD, the victim is perfectly positioned underneath RVD at an angle as to be perfectly 5-star splashed. Or, for Rey Jr. the recipient must always land with head sticking out of the ropes for the 619, then after getting kicked, land perfectly to recieve West Coast pop. I could go on but you get the drill.
- WRESTLEMANIA VERSION: The main event includes the above, except each man must kick out of the other's finisher, then ATTEMPT the opposing wrestler's finisher at least once.
Pretty predictable when you spell it out. Or as The Fuj put it......
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Being a 90s kid, my favorite athlete of all time is of course Michael Jordan.
ReplyDeleteEmmitt Smith, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are also up there.
Michael Jordan, Steve Young are my top two.
ReplyDeleteTwo-sport superstar Bob "Spark Plug" Holly.
ReplyDeleteEven when you eliminate the wrestling side, he's phenomenal.
ReplyDeleteI am also a 90s kid, and Michael Jordan would be my favorite from that time.
ReplyDeleteI guess for all time, I'd have to go with either Jordan from my time in the 90s, or Peyton Manning since 2005.
This new format sucks so badly.
ReplyDeleteThe Greatest... Mohammad Ali
ReplyDeleteMichael Jordan. Others would be Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Ken Dorsey, Peyton Manning. Jordan is my favorite though.
ReplyDeleteZenyatta
ReplyDelete"Rickey say there's only one answer to this question. Rickey. Rickey the greatest. Rickey the stolen base king. Rickey hit the most lead off home runs. Rickey the best. No one close to Rickey. Rickey played forever. Rickey invented talking in the first person."
ReplyDeleteRickey Henderson for the win.
Me
ReplyDeleteMario Lemieux. Greatest player in Penguin's history and also saved the team for moving out of town as the owner.
ReplyDeleteGotta be Jerry Rice for me.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to get a lot of heat here for my answer. I know I am. But I'm not going to lie. It's obviously going to be a member of the New York Yankees.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to say Derek Jeter, though.
No, my favorite professional athlete of all time is Mariano Rivera. I loved going to a game at Yankee Stadium, if the game was close going into the top of the ninth, and hearing Enter Sandman play and watching Mo jog out to the mound. One of the greatest Yankees of all time.
Threadjack: Wolves, Cavs agree to Love trade
ReplyDeletei really don't have sports on my radar much, but as a tennis dude who grew up in the era of sampras and agassi, they always stick out to me
ReplyDeleteanyone remember michael chang? who was part of that group and then quickly disappeared
Favorite players from my favorite teams: Jim Thome, Robert Smith (the Buckeye/Viking, I don't think the Cure guy strikes me as much of an athlete), Eric Metcalf, and Sergei Bobrovsky.
ReplyDeleteNo one with a shred of baseball knowledge would say that's a bad pick, dude was The Greatest Closer, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite personal memory of him is crying as he walked off the field at the Kingdome in '95, Seattle of course did nothing with that playoff win but still.
There's a lot of people here who rag on my Yankees fandom.
ReplyDeleteBecause they suck.
ReplyDeleteSee?
ReplyDeleteAt least your not a Mets fan.
ReplyDeleteNo, but I do go to a fair share of Mets games. I don't turn down free tickets.
ReplyDeleteI hate them, and you by proxy I suppose, but I could never say they suck, that's just fucking silly.
ReplyDeleteMotherfucking Ken Motherfucking Griffey Motherfucking Junior.
ReplyDeleteDude was the greatest, had a great personality, could be funny and generous, and was the last guy in baseball that got near the home run record without his head mysteriously shrinking. He was the hero of Seattle for a decade basically, and never really gave anyone a reason not to like him.
Even when he left us, when he finally did come back six years later for a game we sold the stadium out and chanted his name over all the other Reds' introductions.
One of my favorite conversations amongst my friends is speculating on just what kind of horrible crime Griffey would have to do in Seattle that the people would even be angry about it. We've basically decided anything up to and including manslaughter wouldn't really phase any of us. Kobe-rape we wouldn't even blink I don't think.
All time: Joe Sakic and Steve Young.
ReplyDeleteCurrently active: Tony Stewart. If you don't want to count Nascar drivers as athletes (especially Stewart), Maria Sharapova.
Also, Michael Jordan is an overrated player and a piece of shit as a person. Just saying.
It's a tough call between Tyson during the Lennox Lewis era (when he was threatening to beat up Lennox's refrigerator) or Ricky on any given Tuesday for my favorite interviews of all time.
ReplyDeleteThe entire Brazilian women's beach volleyball team.
ReplyDelete"I like him, he's a good man, but I'm going to make orphans of his children"
ReplyDelete"Champ, I believe they have a mother"
"Oh, I'd imagine she'd die of grief"
The level of Jordan's self-obsession is staggering, has there ever been a single story about him being a nice guy?
ReplyDeleteJerry Rice is who I grew up aspiring to be like.
ReplyDeleteHe was my football GOAT.
Even if he can't read worth a shit.
youtube his HoF induction speech
LOL
ReplyDeleteThe fucking BEST part about Tyson is that he's a psychotic barbarian ass-kicker thug with quite a great vocabulary.
Jordan is the GOAT in basketball.
ReplyDeleteBut he isnt a great role model
Either Cal Ripken, Orel Hershiser, Mario Lemieux, David Robinson, or Tim Duncan. I can't choose!
ReplyDeleteBaseball: Petey Martinez; Basketball: Larry; Football: Brady; Hockey: Cammer aka Cam Neely.
ReplyDeleteThat only made me like him more.
ReplyDeleteAs long as you did not say Bernie FKN Williams...
ReplyDeleteI still have his hitting VHS. Best power swing ever seen, and the only time backwards baseball caps were cool.
ReplyDeleteWas Paul O'Neil the greatest whiner in baseball history?
ReplyDelete....i cant watch youtube at work... :(
ReplyDeletefuck him too
ReplyDeleteDebacled, rice of passage just to name a few.
ReplyDeleteAnd fuck Jeffrey Maier
ReplyDelete/Orioles fan
//Never forget
Can I change my answer?
ReplyDeleteVanessa Huppenkothen
I remember in one of Sam Smith's books, he met a disabled lady at an autograph session, and when he learned she had trouble getting tickets, he arranged for her to get lifetime seats. When he made his comeback in Indiana, she flew down to see him, and when he asked why she came all the way there when he'd play in Chicago in a few days, she said "I couldn't wait."
ReplyDeleteWWE's clearly cutting down on their technical support to. I feel like I'm talking to a child
ReplyDeleteKyle Fitta: You're missing the point. I had a 6 month subscription that lasted until August 24th. For some reason, my account was shut down.
Silvia U.: ok let me check
Silvia U.: when you try to go to the wwe network what error you see
Kyle Fitta: I am not allowed to go to the network. Instead, it asks me to pay for it.
Silvia U.: you are not log in in to wwe network
Kyle Fitta: Yes, this is clear.
Silvia U.: you are logged in on the site instead
Kyle Fitta: I cannot log into the network. It will not allow me to do so.
Silvia U.: please logged out,make sure that you are logged out.
Kyle Fitta: When I log in, it brings me to the main page of the network.
Silvia U.: please logged out
Kyle Fitta: I did!
Silvia U.: go to this log in page www.wwenetwork,com
Silvia U.: try to logged in to there
Kyle Fitta: I am going to say this again for the last time, I have already tried to.
Silvia U.: and what is the resold in
Kyle Fitta: Okay, I'm going to explain this again. Please listen to me closely. I received an email, stating that my account has been suspended. I was supposed to be subscribed until August 24th, the date where my subscription ends. When I go to my account details, it tells me I no longer have it. When I go to the main page, it tells me to subscribe.
Silvia U.: there was a payment due on August the 3rd that was declined
Kyle Fitta: Well, there is are reasons to why it should have been.
Silvia U.: if you have got that message you need now create a new account
Kyle Fitta: Why do I need to create a new account?
Kyle Fitta: All I want is my month back. Silvia U.: go to www.wwenetwork.com and got to create new account
You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
ReplyDelete*smashes mask*
YOU CALL HIM DR. SEA BASS, DOLL!
ReplyDeleteSeems fine to me.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you just try and logged in? duh...damn dude
ReplyDeleteAre you being sarcastic?
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeletehave you tried logged in?
ReplyDeletetry roboting your playstation?
ReplyDeleteSeriously though...what is the error message you get?
ReplyDeleteHe's my favorite Yankee classical guitarist...
ReplyDeleteNo error message. They suspended my account because the payment didn't go through. I wanted (a) know why and (b) know if I could pay for it so I could watch Summerslam. Between this person asking me questions over and over again and taking forever to respond, I wasted an hour over nothing - because they won't do anything about it. I have to sign up again.
ReplyDeleteIf only he could properly pronounce and use that vocabulary. Gotta love Mike.
ReplyDelete...dude i'm just screwing with you.
ReplyDeleteThat sucks though...how were you paying for it, if you don't mind my asking.
Same thing happened to me, but it was in March. My PayPal didn't pull and they shut the account down. After a tutorial presentation I gave around time zones, I just set up a new account hooked to my bank account.
ReplyDeleteStraight from my debit card.
ReplyDeleteDarryl Strawberry as a kid. Shawn Kemp as a teenager. I can pick em, can't I? I tried to turn myself into a lefty b/c I was such a Strawberry mark. Shawn Kemp is a punchline but not even LeBron can pull off the athletic feats of Kemp in his prime
ReplyDeleteI agree with the MJ thing. He's one of the greats but it's not like he's untouchable and it's blasphemy to say otherwise.
ReplyDeleteThinking if I should troll you for this or not. Got to be back at work in a few minutes so I don't have time. Rivera though???? C'mon son!
ReplyDeleteRoberto Alomar: Greatest second baseman in history.
ReplyDeleteKobe Bryant: Third greatest basketball player ever, if not second.
Daniel Nava: Red Sox Cinderella story that should never have made the big leagues, let alone hit a grand slam in his first at bat and have a World Series ring.
Kemp was the shit, I don't recall a lot of other people being able to beat the 96 Bulls AFTER taking five solid elbows to the sternum from Rodman and Longley.
ReplyDeleteI'm always shocked when I find someone who dislikes Rivera. How can you dislike Rivera? He was a great pitcher, not a blowhard and was a quintessential MLB superstar for 15 years or so. Why the hate?
ReplyDeleteHow bout when Rickey became the stolen base king and then declared himself as the greatest of all time?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCRy_fK8fu8
Guess it's the over the top gushing. Just think if he was wearing another uniform he wouldn't be treated in this manner.
ReplyDeleteWayne Gretzky. Always humble, great with fans, class act all the time. Also the greatest hockey player of all time.
ReplyDeleteIf he wore another uniform, for a team that was as competitive as the 1996-2013 Yankees, I think it would have been just as gushy. But being a Yankee definitely helped.
ReplyDeleteWow, you were so right. It must be the winning thing, no one in the whole wide world would take the time out of their day to shit on me for being a Mariner fan, lol.
ReplyDeleteI know this blog way too well.
ReplyDeleteDon Mattingly was always my favorite growing up... was sad he never got to win the big win but loved 1995 when he got to the playoffs and delivered.
ReplyDeleteAlways loved Charles Barkley as well, was a huge fan of his throughout the 90s.
As a Jets fan, Curtis Martin is my favorite there.
Bryce Cotton is currently my favorite player in sports. I got to watch him play for four years at PC and seeing how hard he worked and how far he came, capped with a monster NCAA Tourney game was amazing.
Those 90s Braves didn't have nearly the success of the Yanks but they were in the neighborhood. Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz get respect but nothing like this stuff for Jeter and Rivera. It's just on a whole nother plane of annoyance.
ReplyDeleteNew York is a bigger market. Those guys get a lot of love, but the Braves aren't the international brand that New York is. You can hate guys that took advantage of it for being smart and taking advantage of it, but it doesn't make Rivera's or Jeter's accomplishments any less valid.
ReplyDeleteThis needs a page break. Otherwise, your whole column is showing on the blog.
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