(Fair warning, this is an old rant and I don’t like it very much, but today was my daughter’s birthday party and I’m sunburned to a crisp from being in a swimming pool for three hours and don’t feel in the mood to redo it, so this is what you get. However, everything else from here will have to be fresh rants because I don’t think I’ve done any more.)
Saturday Night's Main Event (April 28 / 90)
- Taped from Austin, Texas.
- Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jesse Ventura.
- Okay, this is the fallout show after Wrestlemania VI, as Warrior is now the World champion and Hogan is reduced to a secondary role. Thus begins the end for the glory years of the WWF.
- Curt Hennig offers his opening thoughts, wearing yellow tights. When he emerges for the first match, they've magically become orange. Pre-taping or miracle, you decide.
- Opening match: Curt Hennig v. Hulk Hogan.
The usual as Hogan dominates with the punches and the body slams, all of which are hideously oversold by Hennig. This is pretty much move-for-move the same as the tag match from the first SNME in this rant, and my thoughts will be confirmed if Hennig tags Hulk with the scroll to gain the advantage. Yup, Hogan chases Hennig outside the ring and gets clobbered with the steel scroll. (Well really, by this time the formula was set with the main matches being move-for-move copies of the house show circuit from a couple of months before, so it shouldn’t have been surprising.) We come back from commercial with Perfect doing the usual spots and stalling. Hennig with the Perfectplex but it only gets two. Comeback, three punches, big boot and legdrop and that's it. This was, as they say, good enough for government work, and it was a better match without Warrior weighing it down like in the tag match. ** Hogan goes over clean but Hennig would go on to bigger and better things over the next year. (I feel like this was a better match than I’m giving it credit for, but I checked my redo for the Hulk Still Rules DVD set and I actually downgraded it by a star.)
- Rick Martel does a western themed ad for Arrogance.
- Earthquake v. Hillbilly Jim.
(This would be the last significant appearance of Hillbilly Jim, would it not?) What is with Vince and redneck wrestlers? Canned heat is in full effect as Hillbilly starts off quickly. Jimmy Hart distracts Jim and it's elbow and FATTEST BUTT SPLASH IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT for the pin. Lasted a bit over a minute. DUD Earthquake does the world a great service and flattens Hillbilly Jim with about five elbowdrops and two butt splashes. (Oh man, I’m gonna hear about this one from a certain person on the blog…)
- Another Arrogance spot.
- The Rockers v. The Hart Foundation.
YES! YES! YES! Awesome opening sequence that is ruined for me by my roommate telling a disgusting bar story. (I believe that would have been the infamous “SMELL ME, JOHNNY!” story, but I could be wrong. There were a LOT of them.) Rockers double-team Bret, but Anvil takes out Shawn with power. The Harts take over with their patented knee-to-the-back from Bret on the apron. Is it me, or is Bret hitting Shawn really stiffly? The Harts get several two counts on Shawn, and then Demolition wanders down to have a look at the action. Bret is yelling at the Demos and Shawn dropkicks him right into them as we go to commercial. We're back as Bret continues to lay an ass-whupping on Shawn. Hot tag to Marty, who cleans house for a bit and brings Shawn back in. Anvil nails him with a shoulderblock and Shawn does a triple somersault. Hennig must have taught him or something. Shawn goes over the top and gets beat up by Demolition, triggering a three-way brawl. Now see, if they knew what a three-way dance was in 1990 this would have been a killer match at Summerslam. Still, a great match ruined by a bonehead ending. ***3/4 (No way it was that high. Let’s check the redo from the Bret Hart DVD…)
The Hart Foundation v. The Rockers.
From SNME, 4/29/90. Bret and Jannetty exchange takedowns to start, and the Rockers double-team him until Anvil comes in and overpowers Marty. Shawn comes in and can't slam Anvil, but a dropkick works. Anvil has no such trouble slamming Shawn, allowing Bret to come in (along with a moment of FORBIDDEN COMMENTARY from Jesse Ventura!) and the Harts do the quick tags and work Shawn over. The theme is "pounding the back" and the double-whip gets two. Shawn comes back with a sunset flip for two, as Demolition comes out to scout. Bret stops to yell at them, and we're clipped for an ad break. Back with Bret pounding on Shawn in the corner, but missing an elbowdrop. Hot tag Jannetty, who superkicks Bret for two. Sunset flip gets two. Bret comes back with a neckbreaker, but slingshots Anvil in and misses with that. Back to Shawn, who promptly runs into Anvil and takes a two-count as a result. High cross body gets two, however, and Demolition runs in for the double DQ at 9:02. Seen better, but this was fun enough. **3/4 (Sounds more reasonable.)
- Earthquake gives an environmentally friendly interview.
- Bobby Heenan lists the good points of Texas. Oh, and the cow dung, can't forget that.
- Warrior says...something. I think.
- WWF Title match: The Ultimate Warrior v. Haku (geshundheit).
I should point out that Warrior needs canned heat here whereas Hogan needed none. Further, the lights are *gone* past the first few rows, which means that everyone past the floor seats has left and they had to darken the arena to cover it up. (Maybe they all went to sign up for the Network?) That is an unspeakably bad sign for the Warrior's popularity (or lack thereof). Haku takes control with whatever but Warrior makes the comeback to canned cheers with the usual clotheslines, shoulderblock and splash. Totally underwhelming. 1/4*
- Another Arrogance spot, this time on a tennis court. The spiel could be used by Val Venis today! Picture this: "Hello, ladies! You know ladies, when the Big Valbowski plays at Wimbledon, heh heh, he's always the NUMBER ONE SEED. (Pause for screams of ladies) And the Big Valbowski is always one SHOT, right into the royal box!" (Man, I think just like Vince Russo!) Hmm, Jim Cornette said that the statute of limitations on stealing angles is 7 years, so Val could use that one if he wanted. Rick is retired anyway. (Wow, and it’s now been SIXTEEN years since I wrote that! Time flies.)
- Big Bossman v. Akeem.
This is the last match so it should be quick and painless. The arena has brightened considerably, so either the people came back or this was taped earlier in the evening. Jesse takes shots at dirty politicians, foreshadowing his own political career. (He was elected mayor pretty soon after this, in fact.) Akeem dominates quickly with punches and butt splashes in the corner, then hits the big splash for two. Bossman backdrops him over the top rope and then slingshots him in. Nice spot. Cross corner whip and Bossman splash, but Dibiase and Virgil run in for the DQ. Not terrible or anything. * The Million dollar beatdown ensues. This is the first and only time you'll see a black guy beating on a cop with a nightstick. Go fig.
- Warrior offers more thoughts, ostensibly taped after his match, although he's still wearing the belt, he's not sweating, and his makeup is in perfect condition. Plus his hair isn't messed up. I bet they taped the first interview, sprayed some water on him, and then taped the followup interview.
The Bottom Line: Not a bad show overall, with a great tag match and a better-than-usual Hogan match. Considering that these shows were usually the bottom of the wrestling quality barrel, that's not bad.
Oddly enough, Meltzer gave the Rockers/Hart Foundation a ***3/4
ReplyDeleteLIGHTNING FOOT JERRY FLYNN..........................................................sucked
ReplyDeleteHe was just going on a whole thing about how sub-10 minute matches couldn't be **** on the last show, too. Weird.
ReplyDeleteAs silly as the WWF could get around this time, they would have never DREAMED about sending someone as shitty as Jerry Flynn out there in a major PPV spot by himself. Even Russo crammed all the shitty guys into a joke stable (The Oddities), or something.
ReplyDeleteWWF would have never hired him in the first place. At this point you could cut the WCW roster in half and no one would notice any of those people were gone.
ReplyDeleteI would argue than Flynn was FINE as a jobber, because he sucked and had a terrible look, so there was no loss in just having him get killed by guys every week. Hell, they could even build up a Cruiserweight by having him beat up a "heavyweight" like Flynn.
ReplyDeleteBut WCW's random-ass insistence on PUSHING HIM was just ludicrous, and doomed from the beginning. I mean, of all the talent they had, they go with FLYNN?
Badmouthing the Warrior for reduced gates/buys while giving Bret Hart a pass for numbers that would have given Vince a heart attack a couple years previous seems like a strange double standard by the IWC.
ReplyDeleteBusiness was going down and it didn't matter who the hell was on top. If Hulk's the champ in his feud with Earthquake does that effect business by even a percentile?
Meltzer said it was "as fast-paced as you will ever see wrestling get in this country."
ReplyDeleteHe also gave Perfect/Hogan **3/4
After Brian's Bret Hart 92 timeline posts tomorrow can we please not talk about the Hitman for a while. Seriously he's beginning to bore me to tears...umm....in my eyes.
ReplyDeleteJust finished typing it up.
ReplyDeleteGreat DVD
I wonder if he would have made an exception if Ishii vs Shibata last year had been just as awake, but slightly shorter. It was only 12 minutes.
ReplyDeleteDon't ask why I remember it -- but since it was the first thing I recorded off of TV ever, I'm pretty sure Hillbilly Jim went on to an illustrious career of seconding Gene Okerlund in the studio on All American Wrestling on USA for awhile, before completely vanishing off of TV.
ReplyDeleteHe did then was involved in the home video stuff after that I believe
ReplyDeleteJerry Flynn MADE Goldberg!
ReplyDeleteSeriously though i've got no problem with the guy having a job considering he was one of about 200 or so but PPV matches??? Aside from that what was the point of the NWO B-Team? I mean the NWO as a whole was old and tired by this point but at least the Wolfpac had a purpose when they re-formed with the Fingerpoke of Doom but the B-Team losers? Again why even bother?
So what was the deal with Warrior? Did they just totally mis-gauge his popularity before putting the belt on him?
ReplyDeleteAnd let's not forget the gimmick battle royale, where he looked in better shape than most of the active roster, even 15 years past his prime.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's an entirely fair argument as the WWF put him in kind of a position to fail, but it's not *entirely* without support.
ReplyDeleteAverage house show attendance really dipped during the Warriors reign (even after dropping the 'C' tour) and it did have a noticeable uptick following Hogan's win at WrestleMania 7, before going into the toilet in 1992.
Obviously it's hard to say what % of people came to see the Hogan/Warrior as the champ versus just coming to see Hogan/Warrior or any other guy -- but that's the only area where there is at least a correlation.
So you got a little sunburn and shirk your responsibility to THE BLOG! How dare you sir! I have a blister on my finger but here I am writing this post! Man the fuck up!
ReplyDeleteNow go create a rant about the WWE Network using Shakespeare! And it better be brilliant!
Pretty good review but I have to admit, I wasn't so much feeling the whole "Earthquake does the world a service by flattening Hillbilly Jim" comment. Not to step on your toes, but the thing is, I consider myself to be a part of the world, and I certainly don't consider that act to be a "service", by which I mean that I would actually rather he hadn't done that at all. What he actually did was deprive the world of a number of dream matches by denying Jim passage into the new generation. Thanks to the Quaker we never got Jim vs Bret, or Jim vs Shawn, or even Jim vs Diesel which assuredly would have been a classic big man match. Kind of makes me wish he would have skipped the WWF altogether and gone straight to his stupid shark-faced man gimmick in a WCW.
ReplyDelete"I have a blister on my finger..."
ReplyDeleteThere goes your love life
Right on!
ReplyDeleteOh HA HA! Ill have you know sir I have a left hand that is more than willing to pick up the slack!
ReplyDeleteIMO it was two things --
ReplyDelete#1) They tried to make him another Hogan. Like REALLY another Hogan. Same superhero routine, same impervious to pain hulk-up routine, Little Warriors instead of Hulkamanics, etc. It already begged the comparison when Warrior was up and coming -- which was fine when Hogan was top dog. I think the way Hogan lost at WrestleMania and the EQ feud gave his character some vulnerability and depth though -- which was totally lacking from the Warrior's character. What did he have? Amanda Ultimate Warrior?
They also tried to give him the hard sell -- he was greeted with a decent chorus of boos at house shows immediately following WrestleMania -- so they handed out 10,000 Warrior masks, hoping 5,000 people would put them on.
#2) Bad challengers / booking. One major feud with Rude only a year after their last major feud, and didn't have another real feud. The Savage feud was a house show feud and a slow burner leading up to WrestleMania, but he had zilch in the fall after Rude -- they booked him in tag matches with LOD and Demolition and the Slaughter match had no angle behind it.
Well that's good. Way better than having a female.
ReplyDeleteYou know he was totally biased against Triple H in that hog pen match, right? The guy is a stinkin' cheat.
ReplyDeleteYou did one more '90 one, then did one of the '92 shows you caught on 24/7, then a couple of the 2006-2008 reboot ones, actually. But yeah, from here on there are lots of holes to fill in the archives.
ReplyDeleteDid he, like working in the division?
ReplyDeleteI've seen footage of him at some of those Coliseum Video Events and I know he would occasionally do commentary for the MSG shows (though I mostly think that was in 1990) which ended up on a few tapes, but I didn't see him on TV/tape/anywhere much at all after that.
It's weird how many major WCW matches over the years simply seemed to be ignoring (or making up) the stipulations as they went along, particularly when Hogan was involved. For instance, that Hogan/Vader strap match that Hogan somehow won by pinning Ric Flair in 1995 and this match right here, which made zero sense. I guess you could argue that since Robinson was a corrupt ref in Flair's pocket he was literally changing the rules to fit Flair's agenda, but geez.
ReplyDeleteThe most stunning part was that Hogan actually took a pinfall job in a match that seemed to have a stipulation specifically in place for him to job without being pinned or submitted.
Sorry to say, but the winner of the "Guess the WWE Network Subscriber Number" (well, I technically won) contest selected next week's shoot interview and he picked Bret's first RF Video Shoot.
ReplyDelete100% agreed with him being turned into "Hogan 2". I saw a coliseum video tape with him vs Quake, and.... he took the sitdown splash, kicked out, and did a near exact hulk up. That's where he jumped the shark for me. He totally lost his own identity.
ReplyDeleteawk-ward..... *coughstalkercough*
ReplyDeleteDid you also tear your quad just this morning?
ReplyDeleteShuttuuuuup! I just saved all the rants, big deal.
ReplyDeleteSidenote: Would you like to see my knife?
*ahem* I'm sorry about that tirade. Hillbilly Jim once snubbed me at an autograph session.
ReplyDeleteQuasi heel warrior before mania 6 with the darker interviews and dominant squashes ruled. Once he won, hes a pandering pansy with Amanda Ultimate Warrior. Godamn I think vince literally neuters guys that get over
ReplyDeleteWrestle fest 90 I believe
ReplyDeleteYou are correct .... he did do msg shows after this for a while. Also the new Prime Time wrestling table show with vince in 92. He didn't vanish.
ReplyDeleteIt really was a good American match for 90 wwf
ReplyDeleteI hear ya', he's always had an extra signature for me, but he's usually so mobbed that it's easy to imagine that he just doesn't have the time to get to everyone. Don't be too disheartened; I'm sure he'll get you someday!
ReplyDeleteOr maybe you might say, he jumped the Shark Attack.
ReplyDeleteDo you think if they booked him with Randy right away it would have worked better, or turned Randy babyface?
ReplyDeleteHe should have continued crashing planes into Hork Horgun.
ReplyDeleteHe was stuck with a pretty silly finisher for anyone over 200 lbs too. That certainly didn't help.
ReplyDeleteI think had they booked him with Savage right away it would have been a clear sign of whether it could work or not. If crazy heel Randy couldn't get him face heat no one could.
ReplyDeleteI didn't spear Hogan. Hogan speared Hogan.
ReplyDeleteThe Gorilla Press/Big Splash combo?
ReplyDeleteWas this before or after THE BLOCK, not to be confused with THE WALL.
ReplyDeleteCan someone from 1990 explain to me how in the blue hell this Harts/Rockers match is the RSP-W Match of the Year?
ReplyDeleteOkay, I just looked it up it got 6 votes, the next highest finisher was Tito/Curt from the Summer SNME, Hogan/Warrior and Sothern Boys/Midnights.
Anyway that's pretty embarassing. Hell the Flair/Luger matches from 1990 are ****1/2.
Exactly. Instead they feed him to Hogan right before Hogan gets written off.
ReplyDeleteExactly. They had a surprisingly good match on that November NBC special too. Just give it an angle and run with it.
ReplyDeletewwe would be better without cena around their fanbase would be bigger go cry about his merch somewhere else people don't watch because of guys like him. All those criticisms are legit igf you don't like it too bad. All i have to do is point to the end of WM30 to see how fans feel and the ratings that followed it to show you how fans are feeling
ReplyDeleteYou won your own "Guess the WWE Network Subscriber Number" contest!?! COLLUSION! It was rigged the whole time!
ReplyDeleteThat is surprising to hear to me too -- but as you said, there were very few people online to vote in that thing! RSPW posts back to 1990 are archived on Google (but just about unsearchable anymore for some unexplained reason) but you probably had 20 or 30 posts a day in 1990, compared to probably over a 1000 a day in 1998.
ReplyDeleteI guessed 697,000 and was the closest without going over.
ReplyDeleteAlthough, someone got cocky and went with 700,001
Yeah, I think their idea was to sell the feud on "he's beaten the Warrior before!!!". That'd maybe worked if Warrior had never beat him to win the title back only a year earlier, but there was no money in a third big match between those guys.
ReplyDeleteSummer Slam 1990 did more buys than WM 6 and you gotta think that was 90% on the strength of the Hogan/Earthquake angle, because most of the other metrics took a dive during Warriors tenure.
I really don't understand people saying the WWF's primary audience is kids, because last time I checked most parents who bring their kids to events were fans first. Wrestling is not like the circus anymore, not some "thing to do when it's in town." Wrestling events can still cost a chunk of money, and the merch along with that starts to add up.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is that kids will cheers ANY superhero-type face you give them with the same smiling babyface act they pasted to Cena, and want his merch too. The people who are actually paying out the money to be at the shows, to watch PPV or the Network and to buy that merch, however, have different tastes and that shows in the live audience reaction.
TL;DR: Cena is replaceable, and cannot, will not make or break the company (and never has). People who are different, like Brock, will.
"I'm not a fish! I'm a man! I'm John Tenta!"
ReplyDeleteOh yeah! I forgot about the roundtable format of PTW.
ReplyDeleteThat show went through some serious format changes in that period. Heenan/Monsoon in that little studio forever, then Vince/Bobby hosting it as a studio show like Donahue with wrestler guests, then Mooney taking over for Vince, then to the roundtable, McLaughlin Group style with Monsoon, Heenan, Slick, Duggan, Hillbilly, Vince, and Perfect.
Was it that format until RAW debuted?
True, but he could hit the Splash at least. I wonder if they were trying to phase out the Gorilla Press at this point. He should have been able to do it to Haku. The press followed by the splash was pretty cool, but the shoulder block was a far less inspiring set-up.
ReplyDelete"I'll counter your non-finish with a decisive finish brother!" Hulk Hogan always one step ahead of the creative control game, brother.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah I do think what you said about Robinson was the idea -- crooked ref in Flair's pocket that didn't want to see him lose. They don't get that over super well though, probably because nobody bothered to tell the announcers the finish.
I think so.
ReplyDeleteWatching Goldberg, Jericho, Saturn and others be wasted while they go through aimless shit in the Main Event and push guys like Stevie Ray & Konnan really makes me realize just why WCW had to die. It was awful for wrestling as a WHOLE, but it was inevitable and well-deserved for the heads of the company.
ReplyDeleteI still find it hilarious that Goldberg was doing fuck-all for MONTHS while Nash was doing unrelated shit like feuding with Rey Mysterio and making sure he looked as great as possible (when his doing the job in the first place was supposed to be him-as-booker "showing ass" and proving that he's willing). It makes the whole "Goldberg never got revenge" thing look even stupider in retrospect.
My favourite thing about the Flynn push was that he not only sucked dick in the ring, but he had no mic skills and looked like an unimpressive nothing. I mean, you can take nearly EVERY OTHER WRESTLER IN HISTORY and come up with them being above-average in at least ONE of those three integral things (Look, Skill & Charisma). How in the fuck does someone get a push when they're bad at ALL THREE?
ReplyDeleteI guess I'm thinking Bret gets his win back from wrestlemania 12. But you are right. Who knows?
ReplyDeleteIt's still real to me
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm actually looking forward to Trips in charge at some point. He seems to be a fan of old school NWA and has shown that he can have very good leadership skills with the Bruno and warrior deals.
Yeah, but at least he has the "benefit" of having been Champ during a time of steadily-declining numbers, and they'd get WORSE under Shawn (I think) and Diesel (definitely. Isn't he still the lowest-drawing champ ever?). He was just a guy who failed to turn things around.
ReplyDeleteI never got why they just didn't do Rock as the heel. He's so much better as one anyhow.
ReplyDeleteMaybe what he's saying is Reigns isn't a big enough star yet to pull off a face vs face match. Idunno..
ReplyDeleteAnd they weren't even Japanese!!
ReplyDeleteI love the guy myself and am over 12. Has a great work ethic, genuinely good guy outside the ring (yes have met him a couple of times, and have a buddy who knows him fairly well) and he rustles the nets jimmies like no one else and doesn't seem to care. Even when fans try to mess with his matches he still goes on like they aren't even there unlike say an Orton.
ReplyDeletePlus as you said the guy makes them money. Wrestling is a business and the goal of a business is to make a profit.
Yeah it seemed they half-assed the Warrior after that. If you are gonna push the guy then push him. Give Warrior the Perfect match, let him take on Earthquake at SS. Give a guy the chance to fail on his own, don't just set him up to fail. But I'm not a Warrior fan anyways so I don't feel bad about his title reign.
ReplyDeleteNot at all. I totally get hating Cena the character. Cena the person though is a good egg.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying there aren't people like that though? I've been to events where people wearing Cena gear get caught up in the moment and will boo with everyone else.
ReplyDeleteBut cheer or boo he's still the one getting the most notice in whatever match he's in. Take the ladder match for instance.
I know basically ZERO about WCW past Starrcade 1998. I never watched all that much anyways but I can at least give you bullet points from 1996-1998. You got me baffled anywhere past there.
ReplyDeleteBrock will always be the ultimate what if for me. He hadn't left in '04 who knows how big he would have been.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Go to house shows without cena even there and everyone it seems has on a Cena shirt.
ReplyDeleteYou really think it's that simple. That you can just take anyone and things would be the same?
ReplyDeleteThat's like saying anyone would have been successful like Hogan. Sorry, but no. It takes that special person with the drive, work ethic, and larger than life personality.
See that's why in spite of what everyone says why I think he'd be a terrible heel. You have to be able to get into the character for it to work. If Cena can't give it his all, what's the point of turning him. Same went for Sting when they tried it with him.
ReplyDeleteYou act like he's doing it as a way of disrespect.
ReplyDeleteYes it's why Hogan was irreplaceable until he was replaced. Along with Hart, Michales, Austin, Rock, and yes it will happen to Cena. Do you see a pattern. Everyone is replaceable.
ReplyDeleteHe was definitely their "Barry Horowitz".
ReplyDeleteIt's weird that after Austin they didn't become obsessed with trying to make someone the next Austin. Instead they went back to the smiling babyface thing again.
ReplyDeleteI remember as a kid, I didn't understand this and it made no sense to me why he didn't do the move anymore. It's weird that Warrior would lose the ability to do the move though when you think of all the other guys who've done it regularly throughout their careers. Billy Gunn was pressing people forever; he would even do that stupid one-handed thing that totally exposed the move.
ReplyDeleteYup -- you knew he was having some kind of issue with it when he didn't even do the press slam to SKINNER on a taped match that aired nationally. He could have probably attempted it five times and they just used the best looking one -- but it was flying shoulder block ==> splash.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me? Austin must have been a nightmare for Vince. Remember when he sprayed him with beer or the time he scared him into peeing his pants on TV? Hogan never did that stuff. No wonder Vince is weary putting a rebel who plays by his own rules at the top of the card again. He's much safer with a guy like Cena who actually has some moral fiber.
ReplyDeleteQue?
ReplyDeleteAustin was a good little company soldier too -- he just wasn't so transparent about it.
Extolling all of the virtues of the WWF in every media interview out of character and slipping into character just long enough to push his feud with Vince. The best of both worlds really -- he rarely came off like an empty suit or a shill.
I think that was just a joke "mark" answer he gave.
ReplyDeleteI'd guess that Diesel is the lowest drawing champion ever, but it's probably close between him and Shawn. The one big plus during Shawn's reign is that house show attendance really started to climb after pitiful numbers during 1995. Everything else is pretty bad for both though.
ReplyDeleteHogan is kind of of golden though -- whether he got that reputation through politics or actual drawing ability. It's mostly the latter, with a little bit of the former. The WWF rode the wave with him out front, he leaves just in time for the steroid scandals to hit and when his comeback in 1993 doesn't make a lot of waves, he moves over to WCW and his name gives them the stench of respectability. They double their average buyrate in his first match.and set a PPV record for WCW (and he consistently headlines their most purchased shows). Their house show attendance starts to climb year to year for the first time since like 1986 (even though he's not on hardly any of them), and him being on the roster gives them leverage for Nitro and all that. Just as business is dropping off and he gets stale -- bam the NWO comes around and he rides that wave too -- and once again the PPVs he headlines draw among some of the highest buyrates WCW ever did. Then when it all goes to crap he shifts the blame to Russo and gets out there before the Titanic sinks. Smart dude.
Yeah, I kind of thought it might be a gimmick. The part about Vince making him pee his pants should have tipped the scales, but I went all in.
ReplyDeleteSomeone's gotta play the straight man in this comedic routine masquerading as a blog and I think you do a hell of a job haha.
ReplyDeleteAnd then he lost all his money to his wife. He may be an ingenious political-gamer, but he made the mistake all too many dudes do.
ReplyDeleteYes it was. Second best PTW format too since it put Gorilla and Bobby back together and Hillbilly Jim was an easy target for Bobby to fire off some great one liners like "You probably think Minnie Pearl is a new necklace!".
ReplyDeleteOh I agree. This was the product of extreme boredom and with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I just hope Triple H gets enough room to do his NWA worship because I'm stale on the way things are going right now and don't want to give money to a company that manufactures a product I don't currently care for.
ReplyDeleteI think Bret & the Rockers were IWC darlings at the time period, and anything from them was often seen as state-of-the-art for the time, whereas Luger/Flair was more of the same old schtick, especially since Flair didn't change as a worker after like 1983.
ReplyDeleteI think a huge part of the Warrior's comparative failure on top was a lack of strong heels- while keeping the top babyface strong is ALWAYS a good idea, Hogan was often so invulnerable that he gobbled up and ruined all of his strongest heels. Once he was done with them, Savage, Perfect, DiBiase, Bundy, Orndorff and others were basically dumped down into the midcard with Beefcake feuds.
ReplyDeleteThis was good business while Hogan was on top, but naturally has a short shelf life once there's nobody new to replace them- who was Warrior gonna feud with as Champion aside from Earthquake (as I've said before, it shoulda been Warrior/Quake as the top program before Quake/Hogan)? Hogan had KILLED everyone else, and Warrior's key opponent was a guy he'd beaten in a long-term feud last year!
Ted's a good bet, but had been feuding with Brutus Beefcake and other midcarders for a while by this point.
ReplyDeleteI recall Orton's failed first babyface run instantly having him act rebellious and hating authority, but yeah, this is true. Even Orton didn't mimic the beer-drinking, rebellious aspect.
ReplyDeletePeople wanted to see the Rock and didn't want to see Cena. Can you imagine how much more people would've enjoyed Hollywood Rock torching everything Cena does. It would've completely backfired.
ReplyDeleteIf I got slapped with an hour long match that had no falls and/or drama until the last 10 minutes I'd sit on my hands too. Especially at a Wrestlemania as dull as 12.
ReplyDeleteHe gets a sunburn and he can barely do a post. I've been here climbing the posting ranks with two broken freaking wrists!
ReplyDeleteWhen did Hogan go on the shelf? Had to be after this right?
ReplyDeleteIt's Hillbilly's last appearence in his original run. He managed the Godwinns in '96-97, don't forget (And how could you?).
ReplyDeleteLooking back at that tag team match, I'm pretty sure the WWF knew they had to turn one of those three teams heel and it seems like they were testing the waters with the Harts on this night. Their pre-match promo was very heelish and Jesse even out them over as not above cheating to win on commentary. Meanwhile Demolition couldn't look more like faces if they tried, as they help Marty (I think) back in the ring. But the decision was made to turn the Demos instead once Crush entered the picture.
ReplyDeletethe money he makes the company makes your statement null and void...
ReplyDeleteHogan did huge business with Kamala, One Man Gang, Bundy, Studd etc. Are those great heels? How about Warrior didn't draw like Hogan because Hogan is a fuckton better?
ReplyDeleteand he writes his characters stories??
ReplyDeleteI've said it before and I'll say it again: Give BeardMoney a regular article on here.
ReplyDeleteI think the proposal they put to Bret (basically wanting him
ReplyDeleteto reject it) was that he’d drop the title to Shawn in a 4 way, then lose again
at the Rumble before winning the title over Shawn the next night on Raw. He’d
then lose it to Austin at Mania. He balked at all these jobs.
It's not gay, it's gay entertainment.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone even read the Observer? Meltzer throws out four star ratings to WWE all the time.
ReplyDelete"I’m sunburned to a crisp from being in a swimming pool for three hours"
ReplyDeleteFirst World Problems, am I right?
at least flair as the president was fun. him and little naitch killed it the next few months.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is the Nitro that made me quit WCW...
ReplyDeleteHogan and Flair did a double turn at the PPV?
Bruh.
That's not the boston garden.
ReplyDeleteBut you might get arrested and forced to miss Survivor Series as a tradeoff.
ReplyDeleteHe did qualify it with "significant".
ReplyDeleteOr it was genius to put the belt on him. Think about it. Why did he have the belt? He hadn't wrestled in months before that thanks to a knee injury (remember those Hart Foundation promos when he was in the wheelchair?). And after winning the title, he feud with the Patriot on the undercard while Shawn/Undertake was the main-event. Vince put the title on him in August....and by late September he wants to breach Bret's contract? If Bret wasn't champion and Vince wanted out of the contract, Bret would probably have just accepted it and went to WCW. But Vince knew that Bret would stick around and eat shit (which he did from Summerslam '97 till Survivor Series) and like it if he was champion. Throw in the possibilty of a ratings-boosting controversy (which the screwjob was), and it's reasonable to think that the whole think was orchestrated before Bret even won the belt.
ReplyDeleteWCW just lost the plot when it came to faces and heels at
ReplyDeletethis point. Nash, Hogan, Flair, Page, Savage were switching all over the place.
None of it made sense. You ended up with a cast of characters nobody could
possibly care about.
Yeah but at least Flynn knew how to take care of Ernest fucking Miller.
ReplyDeleteHow come wcw never took a run at hillbilly jim in 94-95 when they brought in every old 80's WWF guy?
ReplyDeleteBret didn't appear on a single WCW PPV from December '98 through September '99. Obviously the Owen tragedy kept him out of action from May '99 through September '99. But why the fuck wasn't he on the PPVs from December '98 through April '99? Was he injured? He seemed fine doing the Goldberg steel plate thing. Fucking WCW......
ReplyDeleteBecause only Vince likes hillbillies.
ReplyDeleteGotta agree with this. Hogan had a shitty line up through most of his runs, and drew in a brinks truck.
ReplyDeleteBefore, I think. The Block debuted in summer of '99, Iirc.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm not sure why we get some of the slobs we do, and here's BeardMoney killin' it all the time in the comments.
ReplyDeleteAt the time he was still in the cushy job with Coliseum Video and I don't think he had any real interest in wrestling after this SNME. In fact, the only example I can think of of him getting in the ring after a few matches in 1991 was the Gimmick Battle Royal. I don't think he even did any indie shows over the last two decades.
ReplyDeleteYou could say that of Daniel Bryan this year.
ReplyDeleteRemember when we thought the worst things would get for his title reign was a second PPV match with Kane?
I watched for years on UPN/CW on Thurdsay nights, but stopped right around the time Morrison/Hardy/Punk/Mysterio were having their great year...2009, maybe? They might have switched to Fridays by then, I can't remember.
ReplyDeleteTommy, why so much hate for the West Texas Rednecks' three week title reign? Was it really that big a deal? I remember that act was pretty popular and it seemed like a nice reward for those guys taking something so stupid and getting it over. To me, there were far bigger issues with WCW's booking than that title reign...
ReplyDeleteWas this Jesse's last show with the WWF? I didn't start watching till '91 and I always thought WrestleMania VI was his last show, so I was surprised to see his name pop up here...
ReplyDeleteHe in on SuperStars and SNME into August, about a couple weeks before SummerSlam.
ReplyDeleteThere's a Hennig/Warrior title match on one of the Coliseums from around that time. 8 year old me saw Perfect HIT the Perfectplex (and thought a title change would happen on a random VHS) and counted ONE..TWO.. HE GOT HIM NO HE DIDNT. Shoulder Press Splash 1-2-3.
ReplyDeleteHell, had Earthquake not gone apeshit on Jim who KNOWS how long he could've stuck around? We may have gotten Hillbilly Jim vs. Steve Austin at WM 15, I bet *then* that show would be much more highly regarded.
ReplyDeleteThe wrestling end of the company has been slowly backsliding for years. The best thing you can say about Cena as a box office draw is that he hasn't caused it to go off the cliff like Nash/Hart/HBK did in the mid 90's.
ReplyDeleteHillbilly worked a few more TV tapings through the Summer, but this was his last notable match against a name.
ReplyDeleteYep, I actually remember Jesse with the final sell the week before SummerSlam 1990, basically laughing saying "Just remember, when Hogan gets severely injured next week, it's all of you fans who begged to have him come back... I didn't.... Don't blame me, ha ha ha..." And that was it for Jesse.
ReplyDeletedid we ever get a real official number instead of exactly 700,000?
ReplyDeleteThis is how convoluted WCW contracts were. Since most of their contracted talent was "older" they were limited to so many dates. However, with Nitro, Thunder, PPVs, and house shows WCW had a lot of slots to fill every month. Since Nitro was the premiere show above all others the main talent worked there. That limited the number of PPVs the big names could work.
ReplyDeleteI also believe Goldberg was working in Hollywood for Universal Soldier: The Return. He wouldn't show his face in WCW until the July show at "the Dome."
He must not think rap is crap
ReplyDeleteThe one thing I remember about Jesse's final week was him “shooting” on Kerry Von Erich for having the nerve to challenge Mr. Perfect for the IC Title (“He wins one match on television, and he thinks he’s ready for a title shot?!?”). The next week, he was replaced by Roddy Piper. Veeery Interesting!
ReplyDeleteShort version: another waste of the young guys for the sake of more Good Old Boys.
ReplyDeleteLong version: It's mainly another instance of the same problem WCW had at this time: ignoring the younger guys for the sake of pushing old guys who are living off their name. Benoit had never had a title reign (at least that was acknowledged on TV) and they were both involved in the Horsemen angle which got its big boost in October and didn't get a title until March. It was the hottest story in the company and instead, two guys years past their primes get to lose a twenty minute match but win the titles anyway because of a ridiculous double elimination tournament that even WCW couldn't keep track of. Benoit and Malenko had been having solid matches for a month but they give it to Hennig/Windham because they're guys who used to be big deals. I don't buy that the Horsemen were always planned to get them here. It feels like they had to run an audible for how hated the original result was. Fans had been burned so many times and there was no reason to do it again, especially at SuperBrawl, which is probably the most frustrating show I've ever seen.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
ReplyDeletePoor Dwayne.
Hopefully Stranger doesn't get tarred and feathered in the process. I'm sure you'll provide pictures for us should that occur, right?
ReplyDeleteBret interfered in the Giant/DDP match at Starrcade. I believe he had an injured groin.
ReplyDeleteIt is so difficult to believe that they drew a sellout in a small market with this card. This show was such warmed over shit and by Superbrawl 1999 i think it seemed obvious to anybody watching that WCW was only going to go downhill from there.
ReplyDeleteR.I.P. Rey Mysterio's Career (for 3+ years)
ReplyDelete"THIS IS A GROIN PULL THE LIKES YOU'VE NEVER SEEN!"
ReplyDeleteHis promos (that voice!) are incredibly hilarious.
ReplyDeleteAustin and Rock were never really replaced. One's health simply deteriorated and the other went to Hollywood. Warrior was suppose to replace Hogan but flopped. Bret was never seen as the man in Vince's eyes. Shawn flopped as well.
ReplyDeleteHogan was never really replaced until Austin came along, and by then Hogan was long gone. By replace I'm talking about someone being as big if not bigger than he was.
"By replace I'm talking about someone being as big if not bigger than he was"
ReplyDeleteWell that's not what replace means. It simply means to get rid of one person and substituting another.
Look your a cena fan that's great. But he can and will be replaced.
He might be. But that's irrelevant. I don't watch John Cena the person, I watch John Cena the wrestler who is staler than 10 year old bread.
ReplyDeleteNot disagreeing with Dougie, but if you're trying to establish a new champion as The Guy, wouldn't you lead off with some really strong challengers?
ReplyDeleteAll of those guys were built up as MONSTERS straight away, and several drew a ton of money elsewhere. The company practically stopped doing that with Warrior, and basically left him out there doing nothing, feuding with old news guys like Rude.
ReplyDeleteI'm not arguing that Hogan wasn't better than Warrior (because he was), but his failure isn't all his fault- the company was out of hot new heels, and rather than build any up for Warrior, they didn't bother to get any new ones. Hogan had a fresh new heel ALL THE TIME.
Like I said, if there was any advertisement in Lexington (only about 90 minutes away) I never saw it.
ReplyDeleteOh man, the ultimate blue collar showdown, the denim duel, the redneck royale!!! It would have been an amazing match, but it would have been so emotionally exhausting for me.
ReplyDeleteI would photo-document the entar thing!
ReplyDeleteYou're
ReplyDeleteAnd match wise, yeah 9 out of 10 times he brings the goods.
I think you are missing my point. Yes Cena can be replaced, but I'm talking about replacing him with someone that will be as big of a draw as him and all that.
And right now, who do they have that would fit that bill?
I think at the end of the day the IWC and many tv fans really have to put the blame for Hogan's BS whether it be disregarding stips like this match and the Vader match, making a mockery of Cage matches in general (be it the Doomsday Cage Match or the one with Piper) and this ridiculous face turn on the live fans at the arenas "the fans are chanting for Hogan." Many of them would just cheer for Hogan no matter what the rules of the match were. Enough fans are nostalgic that what Hogan did in the 80s has carried him until even recently in 2005 when the live crowd wanted him to beat Shawn at SS or even TNA live fans cheering for Hulk.
ReplyDeleteYes, at some point enough people got tired of him and he was getting booed that he had to turn heel in 1996. But as you noted, Thomas, many fans (I would say live event fans) had seen Hollywood Hogan for so long that when Hulk Hogan (in a sense) appeared they got behind him very strongly I might add. Even with everything that had been shown on Nitro and Thunder in the last few months, that's not even including the last two or so years as a whole, live event fans still wanted to loudly cheer for Hogan.
No matter what BS Terry Bollea has done behind the scenes or even in matches. Many live event fans have and still love and want to cheer for Hulk Hogan.
I'd say Glacier made Goldberg. For 2 minute matches, they had some tremendous chemistry with each other.
ReplyDeleteAww you fixed my grammar for me thank you:)
ReplyDelete"I think you are missing my point. Yes Cena can be replaced, but I'm
talking about replacing him with someone that will be as big of a draw
as him and all that."
Their are no draws anymore. He can and will be replaced.
"And right now, who do they have that would fit that bill?"
Does that matter? They will push until someone sticks. All wrestlers are cogs in the machine. No one wrestler is important to management. This includes Cena.
As for his matches please half the roster can work better and longer matches. You will most likley ask why they aren't in Cena's position. Politics my friend.
I recently saw his final SNME where Vince says we will see you all next time and Jesse'a last words are I don't think so. And Jesse was cone.
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