On episode 16 of The Kevin Kelly Show, Kevin talks about the current news and notes in the world of Ring of Honor and is also joined by Ring of Honor's Ray Rowe, who was just injured and knocked out of action by a motorcycle accident. Ray talks about the details of his tough accident, his aspirations to return to the ring, his upcoming surgery, health status and prognosis, how War Machine got started plus more.
Kevin then discusses all of the fallout from SummerSlam, including where the company is headed with Brock Lesnar, the Bella Twins, Dean Ambrose and more!
Kevin and Justin then run through the Trending Topics of the day before closing out the show with a chat with NWA World Champion Rob Conway. Rob discusses his time in OVW, the concept behind a developmental system and the transition to the main roster, his WWE stint with La Resistance, his back up plan to his wrestling career, how he ended up on the Indy circuit amongst other topics.
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Holy shit, RATM gets me so fucking pumped man.
ReplyDeleteNever said Brock would work a RAW main event. I stated that Dolph facing Brock sounds like a RAW main event, as Dolph vs. Brock at PPV would never happen
ReplyDeleteHe's still perfect as an upper-midcard, occasional main event scene heel
ReplyDeleteI think so. Match would have been terrible of course, but at the time Sid had more credibility than Shawn. Of course that would drastically change a couple of months later when Sid almost committed career suicide by joining the Corporation and Shawn became the most over act on the roster.
ReplyDeleteI think if WWF had been more patient and saved Diesel/Shawn for Summerslam instead of WM11 it would have done better business.
As a mark at the time, I really liked the Blu Brothers and thought they were going to get a huge push as the next Demolition or something.
ReplyDeleteShawn had a mini feud with Bulldog going on at the time where Bulldog wanted to get his hands on him, plus there was still the on-going issue with Diesel where he wanted to kick Shawn's ass too so Shawn wanted some protection. Plus in kayfabe sense, Shawn having a bodyguard gave him some success so it'd make sense for Shawn to go back to the well.
ReplyDeletethey needed to flip roles, as we saw during the match. Shawn was who they wanted to root for and its so hard to believe a 7 foot monster is a smiling, aw-shucks babyface.
ReplyDeleteHow do you make an ebook anyway?
ReplyDeleteI asked Tommy but completely forgot how.
I got some I would like to make.
Just because he was terrible doesn't mean he wasn't awesome... Terribly Awesome?
ReplyDeleteI agree. I would have done that at the first IYH too. Putting it on Raw not only seemed like a big waste but Nash treating one of the top heels in the company as a jobber kind of infuriated me at the time.
ReplyDeleteI agree switching roles would have been better, but I also think both guys playing super faces like Savage/Warrior at Summerslam 92 would have worked as well.
ReplyDeleteJeez you didn't even mention that the main event is WWF Champion vs Intercontinental champion. Which still sorta should have meant something in 1995!
ReplyDeleteOh and was Sid really in Memphis for over 6 months as USWA Heavyweight Champ?
Sid Vicious July 16, 1994 - Jerry Lawler February 6, 1995 That must have cost Jerry Jarrett a pretty penny, did Sid help business down there?
You're right, it should have meant something but Nash just treated the Intercontinental champion like a jobber.
ReplyDeleteMe too...any help is greatly appreciated.
ReplyDeleteTo add to what I said a bit ago...just fired up History of WWE, and apparently the match I bitched about was one of his last title defenses on a house show! After that, if he DID work a house show (which wasn't that common), he worked in tags.
ReplyDeleteHuzzah!
ReplyDeleteHe had to pace himself for softball season.
ReplyDeleteThey also showed Drake Younger in his ref garb and he looks like he's aged 10 years since I last saw him in 2013.
ReplyDeleteThey should bring back Kurt Angle to work a program with Brock.
ReplyDelete84-86 WWF TV, House Shows, PPV's, and more
ReplyDelete2002-2003 TNA
2002 RoH
And for the low, low price of $0.02, BoD RAW, the first season.
"So has it ever been established if Uncle Zeb = Zeb Colter in WWF canon, or are they supposed to be different people? "
ReplyDeleteUncle Zeb managed Justin Hawk Bradshaw on his debut in 1996, and when Zeb Coulter showed up with Swagger on Raw last year JBL seemed to know who he was before anyone else, so I think yes they're the same.
Ask caliber. He helped Scott, right?
ReplyDeleteHe looked like a moron about 30 seconds in when he pressed HBK above his head and just dropped him to the mat instead of launching him into the first row.
ReplyDeleteThere is a money left on the table joked to be made about that, isn't there.
ReplyDeleteI should make an e-book of my ROH stuff. Sure, only 4 people or so will buy it, but 12 bucks is 12 bucks.
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to think Rusev could be more over than Reigns by WM. I also think Rusev-Brock would be pretty awesome, as unlikely as it is from actually happening in the next 7 months. Maybe Wrestlemania 32?
ReplyDeleteHoly Crap! If they had gotten The Gambler and Frankie Lancaster this would be my favorite collection of enhancement talent ever.
ReplyDeleteI'm not necessarily just selling it to people on the blog, which is why it's on Amazon.
ReplyDeleteConsidering he couldn't even sell more than 200 tickets even though he was the headliner at Herb Abrams' last ever show that same year, I would say that Sid's drawing power (or lackthereof) is severely overrated.
ReplyDeleteHe could get viewers watching but he couldn't turn those viewers into paying customers.
Also, after Sid joined the Corporation, DiBiase revealed that he planted the idea in Shawn's head that he needed a bodyguard.
ReplyDeleteI would buy it, especially if you went back to reviewing the TNA stuff, those reviews were always good.
ReplyDeletehttps://kdp.amazon.com/help?ref_=kdp_REP_TN_help
ReplyDeleteAmazon is insanely easy. Set up an account, create a document in Word format with each section designated by a heading, put manual page breaks after every chapter, and create a table of contents linking to the headings. Upload and pull that money off the table!
Yeah, but that was just silly and I like to forget that.
ReplyDeleteI uh, I don't know if War Machine is a guy to hype up right now.
ReplyDeleteyou're just not smart enough to get it
ReplyDeleteThank you Scott....appreciate the assistance.
ReplyDeleteI still remember an issue of PWI lamenting that Sid Vicious
ReplyDelete(seen of course as the elite talent) had gotten injured and been replaced with
a scrubber like….”Mean” Mark Callous aka….you know who.
Am I the only person thinking their best move is Joe v. Lashley at BFG?
ReplyDeleteThat's not the worst thing I've ever heard of.
ReplyDeleteThey need someone to be the face of the franchise. Styles is gone, Ray is apparently leaving as well, they've jobbed everyone else to Lashley already (aside from Roode, and I'm not sure they're not going to job him as well), SOMEONE needs to step up.
ReplyDeleteThat someome will probably be Jesse from the BroMans because TNA.
ReplyDeleteThey fought each other at the following THREE pay-per-views. Isn't that enough!
ReplyDeleteJBL has called him uncle zeb as well.
ReplyDeleteAs a kid, I was 100% sure that Kama would be Shawn's bodyguard. Oh come on, it makes sense, doesn't it? A newcomer called the "Supreme fighting machine"? I'd want that guy watching my back!
ReplyDeleteNot sure if you are joking but Rowe's tag team name with Hansen is War Machine. Bad timing and luck for them to have the same name as that piece of shit, yeah, but that is the WM being talked about here.
ReplyDeleteWhat about your shoot reviews?
ReplyDeleteJUST JOKING MAN
ReplyDeleteAs has been stated a million times, Sid was so over in the northeast it was ridiculous. He definitely sold tickets upon his return in 96.
ReplyDeleteBlaming Sid for Memphis being horrible is not cromulent.
I think the announcers also hinted at that too and I think it could have worked in getting Kama some heat.
ReplyDeleteFrank Stallone?
ReplyDeleteAs he should have.
ReplyDeleteIronically, both the potential bodyguard, AND the actual bodyguard got sucked into the black hole of suck that was Dibiase's corporation within the next 2 months.
ReplyDeleteThere was actually a bit of a pattern of the same thing during that era. The night after the 1996 Rumble, Champion Bret beat IC Champ Goldust clean on RAW, and about a year later, Champ Sid squashed IC Champ HHH. Hogan/Warrior might have been the only even "World vs IC" match.
ReplyDeleteQuality as always! :)
ReplyDeleteIt was more than enough haha. I'm just saying that if we were sitting down in January 1995 and we knew we could get Sid without knowing the future - maybe you get a bigger buy from WM11 with Nash-Sid and have Shawn wrestle 1-2-3 Kid or something like that. Shawn wasn't ready for the main event yet.
ReplyDeleteThank you Lax!
ReplyDeleteWhat's the point of copying the Hogan-Orndorff SNME finish if one of the refs isn't crooked?
ReplyDeleteI clearly remember wanting to see Diesel-Sid over Diesel-HBK at the time. (Plus I wanted to see Bret-Hakushi over Bret-Backlund). WM 11 was weird in that they had lots of blowoff matches, but they had already teased some fresh exciting feuds BEFORE WM.
ReplyDeleteSort of comparable to 1999, when they teased a Rock/Y2J feud, but we still had to go through the Rock/Billy Gunn match at Summerslam.
" The tag series should be awesome, but I have a
ReplyDeletefeeling it's going to overstay its welcome by the end."
Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...
Rip Rogers getting squashed is always the shit
ReplyDeleteHe was a lot of fun on WCW Saturday Nights. I miss that show.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone remember Black Blood defeating Yellow Dog, unmasking him and it was revealed to be Rip Rogers? I remember seeing that as a kid and being legit shocked it wasn't Pillman.
At least they got Sid over, that's all the crowd chanted during HBK vs. Diesel...
ReplyDeleteThat's what I don't like about bodyguard gimmicks. Pretty much every single time, it makes the small heel look incapable of doing it on his own, and the bodyguard saving his butt all the time. Makes for good heel heat, but... Makes the heel look like a non-main eventer also...
ReplyDeleteYeah, Sid's Memphis time did result in improved business. It wasn't the glory days again, but they were drawing better houses than they had over the previous few years. Used correctly (big if), Sid could help business some.
ReplyDeleteIm pretty sure JBL has mentioned several times that Zeb used to be his manager (as Uncle Zebekiah).
ReplyDeleteYou know the best thing about Scott's new Kindle book? Lots of writing about Kwang.
ReplyDeleteIf only they had kept him strong. Typical WWE booking to ruin all the acts people are interested in seeing. And then they wonder shy no one is over. Typical.
ReplyDeleteYep, HBK turning the night after WM made the imbalance bad, and Bam Bam turning in late spring made it even worse. They even tried to make triad of top guys in Diesel, HBK, and Bigelow (they united at the end of a RAW in early summer but it never really went anywhere after Diesel and Bigelow tagged at KOR). I kind of get the idea--build off the all the supposed mainstream pub WM XI got you by taking 3 of the 4 main eventers (sans LT) and put them at the top of the card. But again, the total lack of heels killed this. I'm sure the Million $ Corporation was intended to counteract this, but as everyone has pointed out, DiBiase as a manager was an epic fail. They probably should have turned at least one of Razor/Taker/Bret heel. At the time, Razor would have made the most sense.
ReplyDeleteI loved WCW Saturday Night as a kid. I remember Rip Rogers showing up and wrestling Flyin Brian and they had a hell of a match. (and hindsight shows they were friends in Stampede) After that, Rogers was like my "Barry Horowitz" where he was a jobber but I KNEW he might just win a match as guys sold for him (even uppercarders like Luger). I even remember Vader squashing Rogers in 1990 where Rip didn't even get his pink ring jacket off. I order the 88-94 set of Saturday night from some guy on ebay and that Rogers/Pillman match is a legit ***1/2 match. In response to Kanye below, not BlackBlood, but I remember Mr. Hughes crushing Yellow Dog and unmasked him and it was Joey Maggs, haha. Good times.
ReplyDeleteSome jokes hurt. When there's money left on the table, it's never funny.
ReplyDeleteIt goes to show how big a deal the IC title was at that point -- Shawn was even more over by Summerslam but he was "only" facing Razor for the IC belt.
ReplyDeleteIf he had stayed "Mean" Mark Callous he'd probably still be a scrubber to this day.
ReplyDeleteThis coming from a huge 'Taker mark.
I think it would have helped the corporation if Luger's tease had come to fruition rather than the Tatanka swerve. I remember as a kid I hated Luger at the time, even before the tease. When Tatanka turned on him I kept cheering until I realized what had happened, but then I continued to hate Luger. He was the only face I actively rooted against at age 9. And judging by the crowd reactions from Rumble '94 on, I think plenty of other people were ready to boo him. It also would have made perfect character sense, as he'd be turning on all the fans who abandoned him after his abject failures at getting the gold.
ReplyDeleteThey should have just established Sid was there to keep the woman off him. Any time an ugly woman approaches Shawn, Sid powerbombs her.
ReplyDeleteAny time a company starts a team challenge series i have flashes of pink curtains and turkeys on poles.
ReplyDeleteIt would be Spud, he is quite over.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Lashley already beat him clean at a PPV a couple months ago?
ReplyDeleteWhat a great name. Bram. I have no need to see or Abyss on TV.
ReplyDeleteThis was an A+ post
ReplyDeleteJoe should be the No. 1 babyface while Lashley can play the Brock role.
ReplyDeleteYes. I liked Family Guy (mostly in its first run), but it's just so, mean-spirited maybe, and lazy. Like the way they all treat Meg. It's the same kind of insult-everyone humor that South Park tries to do, that I'm just not into.
ReplyDeleteThat poor dog.
ReplyDeleteDixie: "Roode, I told you to shave those sideburns!!!!!!"
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