Thunder
Date: March 25, 1999
Location: Rupp Arena,
Lexington, Kentucky
Commentators: Mike
Tenay, Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
We're still in my
hometown for the taped version. After last week I don't even want to
imagine how bad this one could be but it can't be worse than some of
the stuff they've done before. As expected, WCW is coming off a
pretty lame show earlier this week as almost nothing happened on
Nitro. We're a few weeks away from Spring Stampede and a lot of the
card has already been set. Let's get to it.
Opening sequence.
The
announcers welcome us to the show and promise us a World Title match
tonight with Ric Flair defending against.......Barry Windham. Yes,
in 1999 Barry Windham is getting a World Title shot. Ten years ago
this would be must see TV, but why in the world are we seeing it now?
Oh of course: it was awesome ten years ago and that means everyone
today is going to love it. I'm sure the match will be decent at
worst, but man alive it doesn't make me want to sit through two hours
to get there.
Scotty Riggs vs.
Jerry Flynn
This
is going to be a very long two hours. Scotty takes him down with an
armdrag and does the Crane pose. Jerry comes back and Scotty bails
to the floor as the stalling begins. Back in and Flynn scores with a
chop followed by some of his martial arts stuff. Jerry misses a
bicycle kick in the corner and Riggs goes after his legs. This goes
on for a good while as he lays on Flynn's leg before getting small
packaged for two. More leg work eats up time as we hit an Indian
deathlock on Jerry.
Flynn fights up with
some punches, only to be dropkicked in the knee to get us right back
where we were. Things stay slow with Riggs kicking at the knee and
using his wide variety of clotheslines and punches. Flynn finally
counters a clothesline into the cross armbreaker for the submission.
Mike: “The winning streak lives on!” This would be a winning
streak of zero, as he lost to Meng on Nitro in his last televised
appearance.
Rating:
D-.
I know I sounded annoyed by Flair vs. Windham, but I at least get the
thinking behind it. This was nine minutes where I could feel my
brain melting away as I watched each boring moment. Riggs just isn't
any good and never has been, but Flynn is a guy whose employment I do
not understand.
Video of Bagwell and
Steiner splitting up.
Mike Enos vs. Wrath
Wrath
feels like a relic of the past despite being on fire about three
months ago. He takes Enos into the corner for some knees to the ribs
but Enos grabs a quick armdrag. Wrath puts on a headlock before
running Enos over with a shoulder block. Enos escapes a suplex and
grabs a rollup for two before getting knocked out to the floor. We
actually get something interesting as Wrath hits his cannonball off
the apron and we take a break.
Back
with Wrath scoring with a top rope clothesline for two before we hit
the chinlock. Enos fights up and nails a superplex, giving him a
target in Wrath's back. He cannonballs down on it a few times and
puts on a half crab. A rope grab forces the break before both guys
try cross bodies. Enos scores with a neckbreaker but walks into a
Rock Bottom followed by the Meltdown for the pin.
Rating:
D+.
Not a bad power match here but it was too long again. Wrath fell
through the floor like few others you'll ever seen and it's kind of a
shame. Enos on the other hand never went anywhere in WCW, but he
wasn't bad in the ring. He could wrestle a decent power match and
didn't screw up anything big. That's more than you can say for a lot
of jobbers.
Video on Lex Luger.
Fit Finlay vs. Chris
Adams
Oh
yeah we're on a taped Thunder. Finlay hammers him down to start and
drives in some elbows to the face. We hit an early chinlock but
Adams avoids an elbow drop. Not that it matters as Finlay takes him
down and cranks on the arms. Back up again and Adams scores with an
armdrag to send Finlay out to the floor. An enziguri staggers Fit
and we hit a sleeper from Adams.
Finlay
escapes with a jawbreaker and we hit another chinlock. An elbow drop
sets up a third chinlock as this show is putting everyone to sleep.
Adams comes back with a belly to back suplex for two. He nails the
superkick but it knocks Finlay out to the floor. Back in and Finlay
backdrops him out to the floor before ducking a high cross body.
Finlay plants him with the tombstone for the pin.
Rating:
D+.
It was a faster paced match but it's the same problem with every
match tonight: it's so basic and slow paced that there's nothing to
get interested in. The superkick looked good but it was forgotten a
few seconds later. This was the seconds glorified squash in a row,
but it was slightly shorter to make things easier.
Video on
Benoit/Malenko.
Blitzkreig vs.
Kidman
Thank
goodness for the cruiserweights. A dropkick puts Kidman down early
but he comes back with a running clothesline. They fight over a
wristlock until Blitzkreig is sent to the apron for a springboard
missile dropkick. The fans are so bored that they don't even
respond. A corkscrew Asai moonsault takes Kidman down and finally
gets a reaction, albeit a small one. Back in and Kidman hits a
running layout powerbomb for two, followed by a slingshot legdrop.
We
take a break and come back with a preview (Ringside Release) of a TBS
original movie. Oh and make sure to get in the closing graphics
before we see more of the match. Back with Kidman in control before
Blitzkreig hits a very flippy kick to the back of the head. Off to a
head scissors on the mat to keep Kidman in trouble. A standing
twisting moonsault gets two for Blitzkreig but Kidman comes back with
a sitout Pedigree.
Kidman
nails a middle rope legdrop and we hit the chinlock. Back up and
Blitzkreig nails a quick dropkick but tries a powerbomb. The obvious
faceplant from Kidman gets two but Blitzkreig gets two off a spinning
victory roll. Kidman gets crotched on the top and Blitzkreig slips a
bit while trying a top rope huricanrana. A corkscrew moonsault
misses and Kidman hits the Shooting Star for the pin.
Rating:
C.
It's the best match of the night by about 500 miles but it's nothing
special. I can see why Blitzkreig was so revered at this point, but
his stuff just doesn't hold up. He's the stereotypical flippy 90s
cruiserweight who adds flips instead of doing good moves. For a
comparison, look at someone like Kidman who does one flip move but
consistently has better matches and gets bigger pushes. He may not
be as flashy, but he's a far more complete wrestler.
This Week In WCW
Motorsports.
Horace vs. Kaz
Hayashi
Hayashi
is still doing the Glacier entrance and it still changes nothing
about him. Horace takes him into the corner to start but can't throw
Kaz across the ring. Some dropkicks and a spinwheel kick get one on
Horace but he nails Kaz with an elbow to the jaw. Hayashi is thrown
outside and into the barricade a few times.
Back
in and Horace tosses Kaz around a bit until he comes back with a
bulldog. Kaz goes up but dives into a clothesline to put him back
down. Horace loads up a powerbomb but gets hurricanranaed out to the
floor. A suicide dive hits Horace's knees but he's able to hit a
missile dropkick for two back inside. Horace comes back with an
electric chair and the H Bomb (Samoan drop) for the pin.
Rating:
D+.
This wasn't terrible actually, but as usual the stakes are just so
low that it's hard to get into the match. They did a decent enough
power vs. speed formula and Kaz's dropkicks were nice, but at the end
of the day it's a glorified Horace Hogan squash. That's not the
easiest thing in the world to get behind.
Recap of the US Title
tournament so far.
US Title Tournament
First Round: Saturn vs. Booker T.
This
has to be more interesting. We stall to start with Saturn slowly
taking off the top of his dress and then walking around for awhile.
Booker takes him down for a nice sequence on the mat before a flying
forearm puts Saturn down. A hook kick to the jaw does the same and
of course we have to take a break. Back with Booker getting
lowbridged to the floor and having to avoid some flying stairs. They
head inside again with Saturn putting on a bearhug of all things.
A big superkick drops
Booker and we hit the seated abdominal stretch. Back up and a t-bone
suplex gets two on Mr. T. and Saturn puts on a sleeper. He lets go
of the hold for no apparent reason and charges into Booker's boot in
the corner. Booker does the same thing to Saturn's boot and gets
taken over by a German suplex. Saturn misses a top rope splash and
Booker hits all of his usual stuff, finishing Saturn with a rollup
and a pretty fast count.
Rating:
C-.
Not bad again but the lack of energy was really glaring. Booker
winning was of course the right choice, but it still doesn't make for
a good match. Neither guy looked all that interested in being out
there and the finish made things look even worse. Saturn's dress
continues to make me scratch my head, even after hearing his
explanation for it.
60 seconds with
Goldberg.
WCW World Title:
Barry Windham vs. Ric Flair
Tenay
briefly mentions the history between the two but doesn't mention
their classics from ten years earlier. The announcers aren't sure
why Hennig didn't get a shot but Barry does. Barry quickly takes him
down with a headlock but Flair asks for a mic. He says he's going to
take five women home and make women out of them tonight. Also
there's a fat boy yelling at him from the front row.
Back
in and we hit another headlock before a basic sequence results in
Flair getting knocked down by a shoulder. Windham cranks on an
armbar before Flair chops him in the corner. We take a break and
come back with Barry holding Flair in the Figure Four. Tony: “You
can see the Figure Four on but I think Windham has Flair in the
hold.” Good to know that Tony goes for popcorn during the breaks.
Barry hits a running lariat and a backslide gets two. Flair breaks
up a sunset flip with a right hand and they slug it out.
A clothesline puts
Flair down for two and Ric gets in Charles Robinson's face for some
reason. The champ suplexes Windham down but Barry comes back with
one of his own. Robinson counts very slowly and then does the same
after the superplex. Windham gets up to yell some more despite Flair
not moving. Robinson trips Barry up in the confusion and gets put in
the Figure Four, only to have Arn Anderson pull Barry into the ropes.
Arn whispers to Barry and Windham walks out to end the show.
Rating:
C.
It wasn't bad but it was mainly kicking and punching until the ending
picked up a bit. The angle at the end is somewhat interesting as you
have Flair's closest friend having enough of Ric's cheating, despite
doing about a hundred times worse back in his day. The match was
nothing great but it could have been far worse. The audience didn't
get interested though.
Overall
Rating: D.
Believe it or not there were some things that were far better about
this episode than the previous editions. Above all else, they cut
WAY down on the video packages. It was common to have nearly half an
hour spent on those packages so having them cut down to maybe five
minutes was a very nice change of pace.
It spent a lot more
time on the wrestling, but that brings us to the biggest problem:
there was a lot of wrestling, and the majority of it was really
boring. The key word there is boring, because most of it wasn't bad.
It's just clear that this show doesn't mean anything to WCW and it's
very dull to sit through.
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"He's the stereotypical flippy 90s cruiserweight who adds flips instead of doing good moves."
ReplyDeleteAnd of course he passes on his gimmick to Jack Evans in 2004. Oh the irony.
First thing watched on my Network trial, but all I could do is cringe at the spots, especially knowing how many times they would take similar spots in future matches.
ReplyDeleteI was at this card live and they taped two episodes, this and the previous week's. I was in 7th grade at the time and was excited to go, since it was my first wrestling show. I still have the ticket stub in my wallet from this event, although it has largely faded now.
ReplyDeleteThey filmed Riggs-Flynn and Wrath-Enos before the previous week's show went live (I got to see Hogan wrestle live and that was awesome) and then we got the rest of the show taped after that went off the air. Most of the crowd left after that and kept thinning out by the time the Booker T-Saturn match took place. Before the Flair match, Dave Penzer invited all the fans down close to the ring, but my dad and I just stayed in our lower arena seats. It was about 1:30 a.m. by the time it was all finished. My poor dad, who didn't even like wrestling, let me stay for the whole thing and then drove about 45 minutes back home to get up for work at like 5:30.
And yes, as you say, the show just sucked. The only good matches were Hogan's (from a crowd energy standpoint) and Juvi-Rey, which my dad thought was awesome. And neither of those matches were on this show!
I was thinking of Evans while watching him. That makes so much more sense now.
ReplyDeleteI went to the previous Thunder taping at this show and thought it was awesome. I probably took in 15 shows at Rupp over the years, mainly due to my best friend's dad managing the ticket office, meaning I never sat worse than third row.
ReplyDeleteI have fond memories of this match for two reasons. 1. It was an awesome match. 2. That day I went to WWF New York to watch SS but they were at capacity so instead I walked across to street to the Broadway production of Jesus Christ Superstar and scored orchestra seats for 25 dollars. (I should explain that I was a theater geek in high school and still enjoy musicals to this day.) Considering I got to see Summer Slam later on anyway it really was a win all around.
ReplyDeleteI prefer this match over the Wrestlemania X-7 match.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't help but laugh at the great mind part. Petey Williams' matches built around a contrived looking move. Fans sat on their hands awaiting to pop for the move. He was incompetent in regards to building a match or telling a story. Once the Canadian Destroyer's shock-value worn off, Williams had nothing left to contribute anywhere.
ReplyDelete"THIS IS REALLY THE SECOND TLC MATCH!" - Jobber123
ReplyDeleteI pretty much came here to see how long it took for this to devolve into an argument over numbers.
ReplyDeleteIf they've got Homicide and Low-ki i'd reunite The Rottweilers and let them run with the tag belts, and let Eddie hang out in the X Division until Davey's back. But really a broken leg, if its just broken in one place, is only a couple months.
ReplyDeleteYes. Email the Fuj at Rahmin_w@hotmail.com
ReplyDeleteYes. Jobber feels very passionately about that.
ReplyDeleteWell he was an acrobat that got hired to be a lucha wrestler that did just that, he didn't ever seem to desire to be a complete wrestler.
ReplyDeleteTriangle Ladder Match> TLC One.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like there is way more time between 89 and 99 than 2004 and today.
ReplyDeleteOnly Vince would do it in a suit. I assume there was a ton of F-bombs after the cameras went off.
ReplyDeleteTJ: If anyone wants to see some hilarity and mayhem, the mayor of St.Louis is doing a press conference.
ReplyDeleteGreat job by the cops to just not do their job last night as looting broke out again. My favorite image was some guys making off with a big saw.
ReplyDeleteYeah he had a computer job to fall back on.
ReplyDeleteAre you surprised? They have NO FUCKING CONTROL whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteThat's not the proper use of "irony"- that's "fitting".
ReplyDeleteYeah, Blitzkrieg really only stands out to people watching during this era because A) at the time, the idea of a "90s flip-floppy guy" was still fresh enough and unique, especially if you didn't watch the indies and only saw it here, and B) he retired SO soon after debuting- I think he only lasted four months or so- so we never saw him get "tired".
ReplyDeleteNot really, but according to some reports they were literally just standing like 2 blocks away and saw people looting and did nothing. That's just irresponsible, especially when small business owners are paying taxes for police protection.
ReplyDeleteThey might as well just declare martial law there and end this for a few weeks because by the looks of things, it'll just get worse. Wouldn't be surprised if Ferguson eventually becomes like Newark or Detroit where after racial unrest business owners just move out of the city because of the losses they incurred from looting and then you end up with blight.
Wait, when did he retard?
ReplyDeleteHe actually lasted 5 years total including indies. He signed with WCW in July of 98 and left at the end of 99. Wiki says his last match was in October but I swear I remember him having a match with Malenko in December.
ReplyDeleteMost of Montreal does right now.
ReplyDeleteCANADIAN SPORTS HUMOUR!
A bunch of different rivalries from over time.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm a little nervous this time out. They unveiled a roster of only 46 guys, and very few legends.
Kinda makes you think that HHH and Vince would be pretty cool guys to hang out with when they're not being catty assholes backstage.
ReplyDeleteThe racial thing bothers me in that it's cultural more than racial. For fuck's sake, we imprisoned Asian people into internment camps camps in the 40s, and how did they respond afterward? By putting further focus on family and education and succeeding as a culture together!
ReplyDeleteI got a good laugh out of his keeping the bucket on his head after he dumped the water on himself.
ReplyDeleteTriple H in particular seems like he would be awesome to go have a beer and pork chop with.
ReplyDeleteI hope we get a clearer picture of what actually happened here, but with the way today's media is, I doubt that's going to take place. There's just no excuse at all for these idiots torching their own community, especially when its BLACK business owners who are being targeted for their goods. I've had some friends try to justify the looting, but I don't buy any of it. Didn't buy it during Katrina either when some people stole big screen TV's.
ReplyDeleteWhat just concerns me in general is society just appears to be in chaos at home and abroad. We've got chaos in Africa, in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, and now we've got unrest at home. And the worst part is that I don't see any leaders with any clear vision to handle any of it.
I don't think Triple H drinks. He and I share that trait!
ReplyDeleteYeah.. and they also received reparations.. Don't leave that part out..
ReplyDeleteThere's no chance of slave reparations being approved by Congress. The difference regarding reparations is that reparations for internment went directly to those who were interned. None of those living today in the black community were slaves.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping someone would bring that up. They did receive reparations. But let's not act like the rules of government aid were not specifically modified to help the black community.
ReplyDeleteGood point. But the Canadian Destroyer is a nice movie, even being contrived.
ReplyDeleteEh, he was still better than Rob Van Dam at this point who you could apply all your points AND kb's and still be more accurate.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really an advocate for reparations.. it is too far gone now.. but there is a case. Hell.. we didn't even get 40 acres and a mule.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of social welfare.. some people need help, but what really helps is education and upward mobility. We're creating a nation of ALL colors that's dependent on the government for their income and that is not sustainable.
Screw reparations and put that money into making sure poor people learn marketable skills that will help this country grow.
ReplyDeleteHe looks so old.. was waiting for him to kick it.
ReplyDelete"Saturn's dress continues to make me scratch my head, even after hearing his explanation for it."
ReplyDeleteI think the only time that look clicked is when he started teaming up with an outcast like Raven again. Which thankfully is coming up.
TLC 2> Triangle ladder match> TLC 1.
ReplyDeleteThere isn't really a case at all for reparations, though. There are no living survivors of slavery (otherwise I would agree to compensate them appropriately - the Japanese internment survivors deserved it because basically the federal government sent them away and forced them to sell all their property at pennies on the dollar). I also don't see how reparations creates any lasting benefits for the affected peoples. It would just be in the form of another government handout that would be seen as prejudicial and taxing on those who played no direct role in creating slavery. It also sets a bad precedent. Do we compensate Latino populations for displacing them in the Southwest? Do we compensate gay groups for their mistreatment in the 20th century?
ReplyDeleteI agree with your thoughts on social welfare, though. A safety net is a good idea, but unfortunately it has become a lifestyle for far too many people of all races in this country.
Fair point, although remaking the public education structure could go a long way toward that. I don't think existing education institutions in inner cities and other areas of poverty are capable of handling the problems they see among students and directing them appropriately.
ReplyDeleteMan, I really hated the Canadian Destroyer. What a stupid move.
ReplyDeleteComparing Japanese-Americans and African-Americans makes no sense. There's a big difference between being placed in internment camps for several years and what AAs were put through for hundreds of years (which only "officially" ended 50 years ago). Not to mention there's a big difference between Japan and most African countries.
ReplyDeleteNote: no I'm not saying that what JAs went through wasn't terrible, but it pales in comparison to the breadth and scope of what America has done to the black community.
I don't see it as an education problem. I see it as a family problem. Children are growing up without a strong family structure... there simply isn't someone around to reinforce how important an education is. I get people from the city showing up to interview that can't speak proper English when it's their first language. Sorry, guy, you can't work for this law firm. No-one takes you seriously.
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with the correlation of strong family structures and education, but if you are in areas where that doesn't exist maybe school structures need to be accommodated for these situations. Be open longer hours, possibly put students in dorms. I don't know, but keep these kids off the streets and away from unsafe environments.
ReplyDeleteIf you haven't read it, I highly recommend Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations". There's a reason everyone was losing their minds over it a few months ago. No one is ever to say it better than he did:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
... and despite America making laws to specifically favor the black community... they're still out killing each other in droves and making other poor decisions. I work in the building that has the Social Security office in it. I see who goes in. The majority are women with several children with Coach bags and iPhones standing in line for HOURS for a handout.
ReplyDeleteI can't disagree too strongly. RVD doesn't hold up that much either. He t
ReplyDeleteYeah, but he was only on camera in WCW for a short while.
ReplyDeleteIt's weird, if I were in his inner circle or never pissed him off? HHH seems like he'd be awesome, otherwise? Bleck
ReplyDeleteThe Rochester City School District is ranked 457 out of 463 districts in NY state. You can't get these fucking kids to even attend school. That's not the school's fault... that's a problem at home.
ReplyDelete8 miles outside the city is Pittsford School District which is ranked 15th. I didn't go to Pittsford, FAR from it... but NOT going to school was simply NOT an option for me.
I'm very surprised they haven't reunited The Rottweilers yet. Seems like a natural thing to do.
ReplyDeleteI am in a Fantasy Football league this year!
ReplyDeleteAngle might be funniest wrestler ever, he was a guy that got IT very quickly.
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for Eddie.
ReplyDeletenow what's he gonna do?
yeah!
ReplyDeletewin by total fluke*
out the next night to talk about his dominate record. face calls bullshit.
loses on purpose by DQ*
Edge says the face just couldn't get it done against his brilliance.
almost all ELEVEN of his title reigns were some variation of that, and it was awesome.
Also, Vince McMahon.
ReplyDeleteI think this is the first time he's said "That's cold" on camera since getting ass cream applied:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMg3Na1Rl80
HBK. I tuned out during his reign on top. Didn't care for his character in the slightest. Going back and watching his work gave me a big respect for him. The character still sucks though.
ReplyDeleteBob Holly. I hated him pretty much through his entire career. Thought he was a bully, and thought he was a pretty mundane wrestler. However, after reading his book, I have much more appreciation for him. He's a man who cares about wrestling and gave it everything he had. Also his book is probably the most entertaining wrestling book I ever read, and felt completely honest. I also appreciated a couple of his explanations about the bullying incidents. I also went back to watch his matches and saw that he was a pretty solid wrestler. No Bret Hart, but not bad for a lifelong midcarder.
ReplyDeleteThe funniest wrestler ever was, is, and always will be, Doink.
ReplyDeleteI like the Canadian Destroyer. Complaining about moves not making sense is like complaining about conservation of mass in Transformers.
ReplyDeleteAnd how.
ReplyDeleteNah, I was always an Owen fan.
ReplyDeleteHe was a Hart for heaven's sake.
I don't necessarily agree, but I will say I'm not as big a fan of his as some people. I always some as a very solid wrestler, who had some really good matches, but I never loved him like most online fans.
ReplyDeleteshe's the blond in the front row of all the nxt tapings, right?
ReplyDeleteWell, it's still an awesome voice.
ReplyDeleteHe won the title about a year after his debut. Thats incredible. And given what's happening to Bo Dallas it makes me laugh about his kurt comparisons even more.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, it's amazing how those two carried the workrate portion of the WWF throughout the 1980's.
ReplyDeleteI can say that I almost never missed a day of school.. I had a mother that didn't play when it came to my education, even though she herself was a high school dropout. What you see happening now is generations of people that don't value education, that embrace "get rich quick careers" like drug dealing and music. There are millions of people that have no hope for their future and are headed to jail or the grave. That's not something that can be fixed with one single thing, we have to face the reality and fix it before it becomes way worse than it is now and there are more American cities that we just end up "writing off".
ReplyDeleteHe really choked in his last performance.
ReplyDeleteI never heard Bo Dallas being mentioned in the same sentence as Kurt Angle other than... "Bo Dallas should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Kurt Angle."
ReplyDelete"HAAAKUUUUUUU!"
ReplyDeleteWomen wrestlers back in the 70s and 80s. And not just Moolah and Richter. Been watching matches lately with the likes of the Glamour Girls and Velvet Mcintyre and a particularly vicious match between Japanese legends the Jumping Bomb Angels vs. Bull Nakano and Dump Matsumoto that would put some so-called hardcore matches to shame. When compared to many of the so called women's wrestlers (divas) of today I get a real appreciation for the ladies who could actually wrestle and work a match.
ReplyDeleteAdrian Adonis. He and Murdoch were the WWF tag champs when I started watching and I couldn't stand them. Then he disappeared for a while and came back fatter than before and I couldn't understand why anyone would care about him. He just looked kind of nondescript. When he transitioned into the "Adorable" gimmick, I REALLY hated him. He and Savage were the two guys I just couldn't stand. Years later, I realized what an effective heel he was to get that kind of reaction out of a 12-year old mark. Then I re-watched the matches and had a far greater appreciation for how agile and actually quick the guy was. He could make his offense look devastating and he bumped his ass off. One of the most under-appreciated guys ever.
ReplyDeleteOn the other end of the equation, JYD. Loved him as a kid, find his matches unwatchable now. Granted, I haven't seen his Mid-South stuff, but he was absolutely terrible in the WWF.
Same. I go back and watch more NWA, WCW and UWF matches/promos/angles.
ReplyDeleteThe Gordbuster is the tits.
ReplyDeleteYou want to make people care about their education? Fine, then teach them things they'll actually need and use. Teach them how to balance a checkbook. Teach them how to use a voting ballot.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that disappointed me was he failed to mention anyone as "his close dear personal friend."
ReplyDeleteNo, moves still have to make sense. If I want to see two people working together to pull off a complicated gymnastic routine, I can find videos of that anywhere. The CD was a total immersion breaker,
ReplyDeleteThis. Owen in Stampede blew my mind on a regular basis.
ReplyDeleteSteven Regal, Bobby Eaton, and King Kong Bundy in the ring, Jesse the Body in the booth, and Bobby the Brain everywhere.
ReplyDeletePssssssssssssssstt....Wrestling is fake.
ReplyDeleteHe really did. Angle 2000 was so damn interesting.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad he got out before it was too late, too many wrestlers didn't and they're either dead, drug addicts or just in constant pain. Thank you, Petey, for doing the right thing for yourself and for your family.
ReplyDeleteFor me it was Johnny Polo before he became the Raven, Scott Steiner before his WCW debut, and Pre WWE (F) Mark Callaway. In the booth, it was Bob Caudle calling the action with Jim Ross in the NWA, and Missy Hyatt as interviewer.
ReplyDeleteBrock did hit the Big Show with chairs for like 8 hours.
ReplyDeleteAndre the Giant. Yes, Andre! As a mark, I didn't understand why a man of his size would choose to be lazy & nonchalant in the ring when any normal wrestling move performed by him would devastate his opponent. Once I smartened up and learned more about the man, the history of his career and the issues that plagued him, I grew to respect and appreciate him immensely.
ReplyDeleteHe also had the Alabama Jam.
ReplyDeleteNah, I knew plenty of IWC people when he was alive who saw him as a top ten worker in the world.
ReplyDelete"I tore my quad this morning...and I'm here...jumping around." - Kurt Angle
ReplyDeleteCause everything LOOKS and feels the same
ReplyDeleteGiven the ratings for his reigns, it seems you were far from being the only one to tune out.
ReplyDeleteDitto. Even when I was a smark in the Attitude Era I didn't like him. I didn't realize how much of a nuanced performer he was in the ring until quite recently. I think once the rosters got weaker and the writing on the shows got worse over the past decade that I really began to appreciate him. He stood out big time!
ReplyDeleteListened to Dave Meltzer again I see.
ReplyDeleteEven when I knew a little more and my favourite Wrestler switched from Hulk Hogan to Bret Hart, I found the 1000 overlonig Dean Malenko vs Eddie Guerrero matches boring as hell. Today I think they were mostly the best matches on nitro. ;)
ReplyDeleteWrestler which I hated and liked later, despite not beeing a real mark anymore:
Isaac Yankem vs Kane
Kurt Angle in the beginning vs the bald one
Rocky Maivia vs The Rock
Sparky Plugg vs Hardcore Holly
Johnny Polo vs Raven
Back then it seems to me that every (second) year was different. New set, new wrestlers...
ReplyDeleteHaku. I thought he was really boring in the 80s and wish he'd go away, but I've grown to appreciate him as a worker.
ReplyDeleteSometimes too fake.
ReplyDeleteNo arguments there.
ReplyDeleteAll awesome matches.
Cena appeals to 12 year old kids while HBK only appealed to 12 year old girls
ReplyDeleteI'd say RVD's piledriver sell beats that, but that's still awesome.
ReplyDeleteI kind of had a similar mentality, in that while I recognized Bret Hart was a great technical wrestler, I held a grudge for *years* that he took the IC belt from Perfect, who was my favorite.
ReplyDeleteA lot of folks thought he might quit after that but he hung around.
ReplyDeleteRick Martel. MVP of the 91 Rumble, had an underrated match against Shawn at Summerslam 92, had a great run in the early days of Raw and then Nitro. And that's before considering his tag-team years or AWA run.
ReplyDeleteAdrian Adonis. The gimmick doesn't hold up, but a HELL of a worker, and amazing bumper for his size.
ReplyDeleteEaton had the missile dropkick, flying elbow, flying kneedrop, and Alabama Jam.
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