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  1. I better see video packages of Xavier Woods training him then.

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  2. ThatAmbroseFanboyGuyAugust 19, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    If they job Brock to Cena, I'm making the switch to New Japan and not looking back. They'll never stop shooting themselves in the foot.

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  3. Then what happens to all these guys that need the big push of defeating the monster Lesnar? If they were smart they would book Cena to get the Apollo Creed treatment in Rocky IV at Night of Champions, not being killed, of course, but utterly annihilated again. Then, whoever gets the push, will be Rocky at the end of Rocky IV, hopefully without the brain damage.

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  4. It's astounding. No disputing with Scott that the formula works and makes sense but Cena is the LAST guy that needs the rub Brock could provide. Reigns, Bryan, Ambrose - these are the guys who should finally cut Brock down and become full-fledged Main Event superstars. Cena getting his revenge does nothing for the company. As Randy would say: "Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!"

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  5. Does this mean Rusev will be playing the role of Ivan Drago for the Rocky 4 angle?

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  6. That would go pretty badly for Xavier if they do Rocky IV, though.

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  7. Eh, if he dies....he dies.

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  8. To be Rocky 3 though, Cena would have had to not take Brock seriously and get his ass kicked as a result, then come back, train hard, and win a rematch. Cena took Brock very seriously here, he just got beat.

    Anyway, if they take the ending the streak and dominating Cena rub and waste it on giving Cena the win, it's an insanely dumb move that just reinforces that they aren't interested in pushing new guys or creating anyone on Cena's level. There's a reason Cena is even less tolerable when there is no other top guy even close to his level. Have him be the one to end Brock's reign of terror (in September no less, not even a long WM build) and it's just reinforced that Cena is the only one that matters and everyone else is a loser compared to him.

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  9. Sad, now I wish we had a segment where Brock asked Nikki if she wanted to be with a real man.

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  10. Cena winning would be Finger Poke of Doom territory.

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  11. Only way I can really see this working is if they have a genuinely competitive match that Cena still loses clean. Establishes Brock as the man whilst still indicating that he potentially has chinks in his armour.

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  12. All this talk lately about Cena being the greatest WWE champion of all time, though, kind of leads me to believe that he will get the win over Lesnar in the rematch to solidify that point. I really think that Cena needs to get the Hogan at King of the Ring 1993 treatment at this point though. Why waste a win over Lesnar with Cena now when Cena absolutely does not need it? Just to prove that Cena is better than Hogan and Austin?

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  13. Yes. Was there some other reason that makes sense?

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  14. I thought Rusev already killed him?

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  15. I know CENAWINSLOL, but maybe they're taking a different track...

    While Cena took Brock seriously obviously, it seems like he didn't really do anything THAT differently and his mindset was still John Cena, but slightly more serious. For this match, does he tell the kiddies "you might have to hide your eyes at times because it won't be pretty" or seriously admit "I got my ass kicked, I have to figure out a strategy to beat this monster"...then actually show him meeting with different people trying to learn a way to beat Brock or trying different training methods. And having him as seriously as possibly convey what he needs to do, gets EVERYONE behind him I think. Brock's naturally a jerk, so if it feels like he's really taking this seriously...AND ACTUALLY DOES THINGS to show that he acknowledged he failed, so he's trying to find a way to overcome him, then I think this works in spades. It's all in Cena's delivery, because even his "serious" tone can sounds really fake at time, so I wonder if he has the chops to do that.

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  16. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    So who gives him the "WHAT'S SO BAD, WHAT IS IT?!" speech.

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  17. If there was ever time for a fuck finish (cause you know that they won't job Cena out two times in a row) it would be now. Does Cena have a movie to film soon?


    Or, if we're in coked out fantasy booking mode, let's have Lesnar make Cena tap out.

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  18. So, this will basically be the Starrcade 1997 moment?

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  19. cowardwhotriedtoquitAugust 19, 2014 at 11:07 PM

    Did Clubber Lang's manager/promoter announce Rocky wanting a rematch? Just let Cena announce this during his promo on Monday.


    Kayfabe, Cena's not going to run away from the fight, and, unless Brock kills him in 3 minutes (with the announcers selling that Cena is not recovered; not another 15 minute squash), he will have to get more offense in, which will lead to people complaining that Brock doesn't look strong enough even when he beats Cena again.


    I don't think they'd bait and switch Cena, but not being medically cleared might be an easy way to protect him a bit.

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  20. Fuck finish at NOC, and settle it in the Cell. Or keep it going one more month with a Team Brock vs. Team Cena match at SurSer.


    I'm sure WWE is just trying to think of ways out of having to come up with viable new challengers for Brock between now and Mania season, since the guys they're building aren't ready, and the placeholder guys they could have slotted it in there for a month haven't been protected at all (guys like Sheamus and Cesaro).


    WWE really is like a kid who leaves his school project til the last minute and goes into a panic because they've got nothing. How long have they known they were putting the title on Brock? Seriously, they should have been preparing a whole fat stack of challengers for months now, so that they wouldn't have to go back to the rematch well so soon.


    Unless the plan all along was to give Brock the title, build the rematch to pop renewal numbers for the Network, and put the title right back on Cena. But if that's the case, they're morons, especially since they've done away with the six-month commitment that previously locked subscribers in (and not even that well).


    They virtually can't have an actual finish next month if Brock is going to be any kind of longterm champion.

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  21. I don't know Lesnar's contract. If he is wrestling at HITC, I wouldn't mind this happening: Lesnar dominates most of the match. Cena makes some comebacks, but Lesnar just keeps cutting them off. Finally, Cena fights back and makes a comeback. He has Lesnar up for a AA, but Heyman jumps on the apron, allowing Lesnar to take the advantage and then never look back.


    That stirs up a debate. Would Cena would've won if Heyman didn't interfere? Or would Brock reversed it? Well, there's a way to settle that debate. Exclude Paul Heyman from interfering by putting them both in a HITC.

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  22. Even with a long WM build, Cena doing the "Rocky comeback" to regain the title can kiss every square inch of my asshole.

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  23. Not even at the height of Hulkamania did this company put as many eggs in one basket as WWE has put in John Cena. Hell, not even the Attitude Era was as Austin-centric as the PG Era has been Cena-centric.


    Basically, WWE has formulated a business model wherein if Cena goes down, they are well and properly fucked.

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  24. Yep. Cena has hit the glass ceiling. It would be a crying shame if they wasted Lesnar's giant loss on him, when they could have built up someone. Nothing, and I mean, nothing is more counterproductive than having the Rock take the title away from him - which is apparently what Vince McMahon pitched doing.

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  25. "Why waste a win over [blank] with Cena now when Cena absolutely does not need it?"


    We can ask that till we're blue in the face, but WWE has a fetish for giving the man wins he doesn't need, dating back to him delivering the first loss to Muhammad Hassan in what was basically a glorified squash match.


    This question feels as old as myths of house show reports of Kane coming out with X-Pac in a DX Green outfit.

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  26. Ends the streak -> destroys Cena -> returns the job a month later

    If Cena wins, as the wise Caliber Winfield once said... money on the table, bitches. Money on the table... and you're leaving it there.

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  27. It probably will be a Rocky III scenario. However, WWE's big problem in this is that they think Cena is Rocky, not realizing that he's actually Apollo Creed, and that [Reigns/Ambrose/Bryan/Anyone Else] is Rocky.

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  28. The funny thing is, and I've mentioned it before... Cena will absolutely go down as a big star, but nowhere near the others' levels. Cena's like Bob Backlund if he sold a lot of merch and reigned for a decade.

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  29. I'd argue it's quite a bit worse than leaving money on the table. That's actively sitting a deuce on money and lighting it ablaze, so that even if you could put out the flames and salvage the bills, you wouldn't want to touch it anyway because it's dook money.

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  30. Well the money's not completely wasted; Brock will probably buy a new tractor with it. So... thanks WWE, I guess?

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  31. Cena shouldn't be wrestling Brock again so soon. Although if Brock just destroys him again, that might work.

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  32. Or maybe Bobby Roode or James Storm can find a new partner and form a tag team?


    DOOK!
    MONEY!

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  33. I think a "I created a monster and need to kill it" match between HHH vs. Lesnar could work somewhere down the line.

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  34. Well it's not like Brock needed the rub from Taker either. And if him going over was the plan all along then he never should have lost to cena and HHH along the way.

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  35. It's not a bad idea, although I hate the idea of a challenger losing decisively twice in a row and getting a third match.


    Yet I wonder if, now that Ambrose is written out for a couple weeks to film a movie, and he'll no longer be around to interrupt a cash-in, if they might not give Cena his win back in order for Brock to destroy him post-match and have Rollins cash-in uninterrupted? Then you just have Brock return at Rumble, demanding his rematch, and the Authority's pants being too full of all the bricks they just shat to say no. Brock murders Rollins (proving that he's a full-on mercenary and doesn't give a howling shit about the Authority or anyone as long as he's top dog), and then you have him carry it the rest of the way to Mania.

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  36. It's honestly not a bad idea, but it would be a thousand times more compelling if we hadn't already seen HHH/Brock three times and gotten whatever we were ever going to get out of it (which wasn't all that great to begin with).

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  37. #CENAWINSTHENBROCKHITSANF5POSTMATCHTHENROLLINSCASHESINANDWINSLOL

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  38. True. They do have shitty chemistry together too.

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  39. It wouldn't be that decisive though due to Heyman's interference. If Lesnar beat Cena decisively and then they had a HITC match, then yeah, the feud has overstayed its welcome and lost its intrigue

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  40. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:41 PM

    That might be the greatest analogy ever.

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  41. cowardwhotriedtoquitAugust 19, 2014 at 11:43 PM

    Remember, they (apparently) didn't decide he was going over Taker until the weekend of Wrestlemania.

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  42. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:45 PM

    Your asshole is bigger than 1 square inch? Might want to see a doctor about that.

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  43. "I'M AFRAID NIKKI! ALL RIGHT?! YOU WANT TO HEAR ME SAY IT? You want to break me down? All right, I'm afraid. For the first time in my life, I'm afraid."

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  44. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    You're talking about a company that writes Raw on a cocktail napkin an hour before the show, you think they were thinking 2 years ahead of time when Brock jobbed to Cena? And besides, Cena only had the belt because Bryan fucked up his neck.

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  45. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:50 PM

    Other way around; Cena would start quiet then he's serious HE TURNS THE VOLUME ALL! THE WAY! UP!

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  46. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:50 PM

    Random question: if JBL is from NYC, why does he wear a cowboy hat and come out to music that sounds like the Dallas theme song? I never got that.

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  47. That Cena is so intense. What a good talker.

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  48. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:51 PM

    He is a good talker, he just gets fed shitty scripts.

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  49. Makes me wonder what the reaction would have been if Bryan hadn't gotten injured, and everyone were hyped for this awesome showdown at Summerslam, only for Brock to just completely flatten Bryan into a veggie patty.


    For me, this only worked because it was Cena, and because it was unexpected. I'm not sure it would have been with Bryan. It would have just been disappointing.

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  50. He can eat my ass with his mic work. It's not that he's just disingenuous, but he's transcended into making the character itself sound disingenuous.

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  51. It was so he could still be viewed as a heel in the South. It's like how Christian would renounce his Canadian heritage when they toured Canada, and they would instead announce him as being from Miami, FL, where his residence is.


    Granted, that could have been back when Christian was a babyface and was roped into Vince's paranoid initiative wherein "all babyfaces must be announced from somewhere in the U.S.," which meant Chris Jericho couldn't say he was from Canada (he was billed as hailing from Manhasset, NY, which is admittedly where he was born), and Christian was suddenly a Floridian.

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  52. Virgil's Gimmick TableAugust 19, 2014 at 11:55 PM

    His whole thing was that he was a rich southern dick who was so much of a dick that he thought he was too good to even represent his home state.

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  53. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:55 PM

    Count me as one of the people that just would not find Bryan beating Brock believable. He's just too small, and it's Brock fucking Lesnar. I know it's a work, but at least try to keep it grounded in reality. See also: pretty much Rey Rey's entire WWE career.

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  54. There are two things Scott is a bigger mark for than I am: Ricky Steamboat and Rocky III and I can't argue with either.

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  55. If they get Taker in the Apollo Creed role, I'd be all over it.

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  56. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 19, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    I have never seen any of the Rocky movies besides the most recent one.

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  57. Yeah, even if we're giving Bryan the MMA build of "hey, small dudes can still wreck a big dude's shit," I'm not sure they could have sold Brock taking anything more than a flurry of kicks before it started to strain credulity for a lot of fans.


    Granted, Bryan is a smart enough worker that I think they could have had a hell of a match if they told the story of Bryan being a tenacious, hit-and-run fighter who was constantly trying to wear Brock down with nonstop offense, while remaining hard to actually catch. I still think that's a story they could tell over time, as more guys fall to Brock and fans begin to wonder who has the solution to beating him.

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  58. Rusev beating Taker would be the ultimate rub.

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  59. Get out. Get out. /David Brent

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  60. :shakes head:
    Go watch 1-3 now.

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  61. If they're going for a Rocky III storyline it's practically compulsory.

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  62. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:03 AM

    I'm not a film buff. And in fairness, all of those, or at least 1 and 2, came out before I was born.

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  63. Fuck you 1-3. ONE THROUGH FOUR!

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  64. Fuck you 1-4. ONE THROUGH BALBOA!

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  65. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:04 AM

    That could have worked before Sunday. Not now.

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  66. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:10 AM

    OK, that I can understand, but a stockbroker douche character (which is what JBL basically is anyway) would have made more sense.

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  67. Bryan's offense is better suited to take down a monster. Rey's stuff is flying headscissors and hurricanranas and stuff.


    Bryan has kicks and knee strikes. I can see Bryan chopping Lesnar's legs down more than I can see Rey's offense.

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  68. Go watch Rocky V. It's a gem.

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  69. Adam "Colorado" CurryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    Still, it's the guy that barely beat Cena against the guy that absolutely destroyed Cena.

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  70. Taker and Cena hugging in the ocean would be awesome.

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  71. To be fair, Bryan's win was pretty damn decisive.

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  72. Next Smackdown game. And, I wish they had involved Nikki Bella in the lead up to Summerslam, just for Brock to be all "Hey woman! "Hey woman!"

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  73. 10 bucks says Cena hits him with an AA right at the start and has Brock on the run for the first half of the match.

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  74. IV may be the greatest, if for no other reason than Rocky running up a mountain in Russia. Because, fuck you! That's why!

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  75. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    Rocky III came out before I was born, but that doesnt stop it from being one of the most fun movies ever, thanks to Mr. T.


    "GETTING OUT WHILE YOU CAN?! DON'T GIVE THIS SUCKA NO STATUE, GIMMHIMGUTS! I TOLD YOU I WASN'T GOING AWAY, YOU HAD YOUR SHOT, NOWGIMMEMINE!"

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  76. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    One through four, skip V, finish with Balboa.

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  77. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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  78. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:21 AM

    Why did John Morrison have Hendrix-like music instead of Doors-like music?

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  79. AND IF I CAN CHANGE... WE CAN ALL CHANGE....

    What a pitiful speech that was.

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  80. The ONLY way I'd want to see Lesnar and HHH wrestle for a fourth time would be if Brock just murders Hunter in five minutes or less, leading a panicked Steph to send Rollins to the ring to cash in the briefcase in a last-ditch attempt to take the belt. We'd get Rollins with a few crazy bumps and hope spots over, say, 10 minutes but Brock ultimately destroys him too.

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  81. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:23 AM

    It was good enough for Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down that wall

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  82. The events of Balboa make no sense without the context of V.

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  83. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:23 AM

    Sure it does, it retcons most of it anyway.

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  84. Writer: 'Actually sir, Jim Morrison was the guy from The Doors... you know, died at 27, "This is the end, my only fri-"'

    Vince: 'Yes I know! The black guy! "Are you gonna go my way" Shane listened to that one all the time! Give it to Johnny Nitro!'

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  85. It retcons away Rocky being poor?

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  86. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:24 AM

    He has a restaurant.

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  87. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM

    Needs more GODDAMMIT to be true Vinnie Mac

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  88. To be fair, he was in the midst of serious brain trauma.

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  89. Vince: 'Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Lenny Kravitz, THEY WERE ALL A BUNCH OF SCHWOOGIES GODDAMN IT!!'

    Writer: 'But sir...'

    Vince: 'Get the Big Bopper through MySpace, I want him to play at WrestleMania!'

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  90. SWEEP THE LEG, CENA-SAN!
    SWEEP THE LEG!

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  91. I wonder if Benoit ma- ah too easy.

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  92. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    Yeah, that's the ticket!

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  93. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryAugust 20, 2014 at 12:30 AM

    "Listen, Brock, he's Cenauff!"
    "I'll decide when he's Cenanuff!" *suplex*

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  94. I'm choosing to believe the "10 bucks says" is a subtle network $9.99 joke that I just ruined.

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