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Ring of Honor First Anniversary Show February 8th, 2003

February 8, 2003

From the Elks Lodge in Queens, NY

Your hosts are Ray Murrow and Chris Levy

The show starts with a zoom-in shot of a cake that reads "RoH 1st Anniversary" then shows a video highlight package of all the show.

Paul London lets us know that he is walking home with the gold tonight and will give 1,000%!

Chad Collyer vs. EZ Money vs. Colt Cabana vs. Michael Shane

The announcers speculate as to what group Shane will align himself with as he has dropped Bio-Hazard as an associate. Collyer and Money work an alright sequence that ends with a standoff. Cabana and Shane are in as Cabana hits a quebrada then they have a reversal sequence that ends with a standoff. Cabana works the arm then they tag out as Money puts Collyer in the pendulum swing. They trade chinlocks then Shane grabs Money's leg and that allows Collyer to take him down with a clothesline. Shane tags and beats on Money. He gets two off of a flapjack then cheapshots Cabana. Shane puts Money in a STF then tags Collyer, who applies a chinlock. Collyer eats boot on a charge then Money takes him down with a back elbow smash. Shane sticks out his arm but his arm away then tags himself in so he can continue to beat on Money. Shane gets stopped with an enziguiri as both men are down with the crowd chanting for Cabana. Money comes back with a severely botched handspring back elbow smash as the crowd shits all over Money. Shane sets up Money for a superplex but Money takes him off with a front suplex then Money finally makes the tag as Cabana runs wild on Collyer. Cabana hits Collyer with a few innovative moves then the match breaks down and eventually leading to a dive sequence capped off with Shane taking everyone out with a somersault plancha. In the ring, Cabana and Collyer slug it out until Collyer kills him with a German suplex for a nearfall. Shane flies off of the top but Cabana catches him with an Ace Crusher then Collyer covers for two. Money redeems himself after that handspring fuck-up when he takes out Collyer and Cabana with the Money Clip (springboard somersault clothesline) that looked tremendous. Shane tries a reverse rollup then hits Money with a clothesline but misses the Picture Perfect Elbow drop then Collyer stops the Colt 45 attempt and puts Shane in the Texas Cloverleaf but he reaches the ropes. Money then sneaks up from behind to hit Collyer with the Cha-Ching (Orange Crush) for the win ( 15:18) **3/4.

Thoughts: Solid match. All four guys looked okay but you could tell that once again, Shane was not giving 100% in the ring. At least more effort than his match against Punk. Collyer is a good hand but bland as could be as Cabana was alright in the ring. Money looks like the biggest star of the group

We get an RoH Flashback from "All-Star Extravaganza." when Tommy Dreamer confronted Michael Shane.

AJ Styles says that his objective is to get the RoH Title away from the Prophecy

Fast Eddie & Don Juan & Hotstuff Hernandez w/ Rudy Boy Gonzalez vs. Carnage Crew & Masada

This is the same Hernandez who was in TNA for several years. Masada and Eddie trade some moves to start. Juan dances a bit as the TWA guys beat the shit out of Masada as Hernandez looks very impressive with his power moves. Loc tags and suplexes Juan then Masada comes back in and targets the back. Northern Lights Suplex gets two. Juan gets chopped against the ropes then tags DeVito who keeps up the assault. The Carnage Crew put Juan in a double Boston Crab as Masada comes off the top with a leg drop. DeVito misses a moonsault then Juan makes the tag to Hernandez. He destroys everyone with strikes and tosses Masada as the match breaks down. Eddie flies out with a quebrada but Loc whacks him with a hubcap in midair for the DQ (5:41) *. After the match, the Carnage Crew hits Eddie with a top rope spike piledriver and they beat on him. Rudy Boy comes in and gets hit with a chair on the back but "YMCA" is playing as the original Christopher St. Connection (Buff E & Mase) come out then hit the Carnage Crew with streamers but Mase's does not go off. The CSC then use a variety of homoerotic moves on the Carnage Crew.

Thoughts: This was a nothing match as the Carnage Crew are only entertaining in garbage brawls. Hernandez stood out a lot here as he was massive compared to everyone else on the roster. His pwoer moves looked okay. The other two TWA guys are fairly useless and Masada looks like a cross between Matt Hardy and Chris Hero but doesnt really impress all that much himself. Oddly enough, Masada was also trained by Rudy Boy and Shawn Michaels.

RoH Flashback of the Briscoe brothers facing off at "Honor Invades Boston."

Mark Briscoe vs. Jay Briscoe

Levy talks about how Mark has not been the same since his friend died in a car accident and no longer cares about the Prophecy and talks about how the Briscoe's are no longer feuding and that this will be their last match. They start off the match trading holds on the mat. Mark puts Jay in a cross armbreaker but Jay escapes and hits a bunch of crossfaces then Jay boots Mark in the face and is now out on the mat as everyone is concerned that he was knocked out but he turned out to be playing possum and takes Jay down then stays on the attack. Jay comes back with a leg lariat and a snap suplex that gets two. Dropkick gets two. Mark manages to reverse a Jaydriller with a Hurricarana then hits a corner clothesline. Jay comes back with a Mafia kick but runs into an overhead toss that gets two. Mark puts Jay in a single leg crab then chops away. He hits a gutwrench suplex then follows with a knee drop that gets two. Northern Lights Suplex gets two. Mark slaps Jay around but ends up getting backdropped then they both spill outside when Jay hits a clothesline. They start chopping each other then Mark hits a springboard somersault senton as Jay is busted open. Mark then flies out from the top rope to the floor with a moonsault. Back inside, Jay super kicks Mark as he was in midair then hits him with a vicious backbreaker then a Death Valley Driver for a nearfall. Mark comes back with a shining wizard then follows with a springboard Ace Crusher that only gets two. Mark places Jay up top and tries another Ace Crusher but Jay ends up hitting Mark with the move. They trade chops then Jay comes back with a Mafia Kick that used the 360 sell for, with the crowd chanting "holy shit." Jay hits a sitout powerbomb then climbs up top and hits a senton for two. Mark catches Jay with an overhead toss then hits his brother with his own finisher, the Jaydriller, but still can't put him away. Mark heads up top but misses a moonsault then Jay hits him with rolling Jaydrillers for the win (16:40) ***1/2. After the match, they shake hands and hug.

Thoughts: Really good match although it paled in comparison to their match at "Honor Invades Boston." Once Mark joined the Prophecy, he became an afterthought quickly and the story of the friend dying bringing them together almost certainly feels like they are going to make up and possibly team up together. They could have had more mileage out of their feud too but the Prophecy was booked terribly with guys coming in and out frequently between tours and they were rarely all on the same show together.

Da Hit Squad cut a promo on top of some building as they reflect on the first year of RoH and that tonight they are going to give us the biggest scramble match of all-time and in 2003, will sacrifice their tears and bodies because without the fans, they are nothing. They are a low-rate copy of every ECW team I can think of at the moment.

RoH flashback of the insane martial arts sequence between Low Ki and Amazing Red at "Road to the Title."

Homicide warns Corino to bring his crew as he has his people out here tonight.

Steve Corino w/ Simply Luscious & Samoa Joe vs. Homicide

This is billed as a grudge match so the Code of Honor does not apply. Joe and Homicide are in each other's faces then Corino grabs the mic and welcomes the two newest members of his stable: Michael Shane and CW Anderson. Homicide then cuts a promo and finishes it by whacking Corino in the face with a microphone and the match begins with both guys brawling. Homicide gets two with a Mafia Kick and a T-Bone Suplex. Homicide puts Corino in a STF then hits a clothesline for two. Corino breaks up a side headlock with a back suplex then uses a crossface as Levy compares Corino's group to the Kliq. Ha. Homicide fights back and beats on Corino in the corner. Corino blocks a top rope hurricarana attempt then bulldogs Homicide for two. Homicide climbs up top as Joe yells at a few fans then takes Corino down with an Ace Crusher for two. Homicide gets a few more nearfalls as Levy hypes up the Zero One promotion. The ref goes down during an inverted DDT by Homicide then jumps off his back for a shining wizard and that gets two. Corino gets tossed to the floor the Homicide walks past Joe with a chair and whacks Corino as it is against the Code of Honor to commit outside interference Homicide misses a somersault plancha and lands right on the chair and he sells that like he is out cold. The rest of Corino's stable rolls Homicide into the ring but Corino can only get two on the pin attempt as the fans chant for Homicide. Corino tries the Old School Expulsion and that cannot put Homicide away. Northern Lights Bomb gets two as Corino is increasingly frustrated. He puts on the Cobra Sleeper and Homicide reaches the ropes but Corino drags him into the middle of the ring and that puts Homicide away as his arm dropped to the mat three times (12:09) **.

Thoughts: These two never really seemed on the same page and the match suffered as a result. However, this was designed to lead into the melee that would developed when it ended.

After the match is where the fun begins. Corino' group had been taunting the fans all match long, especially at the end. After Corino won, he attempted to put Homicide in the Cobra Sleeper and the fans were jawing at the other guys then they hop the guardrail and go into the ring as a riot erupts. This was obviously staged as the locker room empties. The CSC are otu brawling and it looks ridiculous. Rob Feinstein comes out and pulls Shane off of someone and he yells"fuck you" to Feinstein, who is worried that might get banned from the building. In a funny moment, Devito walks by and says "I love this shit." Da Hit Squad and Homicide start flipping out on Feinstein as Homicide goes after him but is stopped by security then he threatens to slap the shit out of Feinstein. After that, they show an "RoH Exclusive" replay of the brawl from another camera angle and we even get to see Gabe flip out and yell. But wait, there is more. We get a third camera angle shown as they have spent nearly a half-hour on this segment. This might have been a big deal when it happened (I honestly forget as I stopped following wrestling at this time) but in 2014, this does not hold up well at all. And to make things worse, showing three different replays of it made it unbearable to watch. They dragged this out big time.

Christopher Daniels is backstage and pissed at Steve Corino for stealing Simply Luscious and Samoa Joe from the Prophecy and now wants to take away their belts. He then tells Corino to take the first step and he will see that the Prophecy are ready.

RoH flashback of Low Ki winning the title at "Crowning a Champion."

The Outkast Killaz and Dunn & Marcos are in the ring but CW Anderson interrupts and gives them the option to walk away so they can still have a career then he beats the shit out of them by himself.
He cuts a promo and we can barely hear him as this segment is dying then CM Punk comes in and runs down CW as the crowd starts chanting for Punk and this leads to an impromptu match.

CW Anderson vs. CM Punk

Punk works a headlock as the announcers play up how Anderson was "fired" from RoH for taking dates in Japan, which is why he is part of Corino's crew. Punk grounds Anderson and mainly focuses on the leg. Anderson comes back with a Rocker Dropper then works an armbar but Punk uses a cradle to get two. Anderson catches Punk with a TKO then hammers away. Punk fights back but Anderson cuts him off on the top rope and hits a superplex for two. Punk hits a blockbuster then they have a chop exchange from the mat as a few in the crowd continue to yell "boring." They trade suplexes then Punk catches Anderson with a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for two. Shining Wizard gets two. Anderson nails a charging Punk with a super kick the goes for the spinebuster but Punk counters that with a sunset flip and gets the win (9:42) *3/4.

Thoughts: Below average match. Very slow beginning of the match and the confrontation to set this up fell flat. Punk was not impressive at all when he first appeared in RoH but they seemed intent on giving him a push. His mic skills were there but his pandering to indy fan promos were quite awful to be honest.

RoH Flashback of the Shane vs. London streetfight from "Unscripted."

Bryan Danielson vs. Samoa Joe

Match starts with a battle over a test of strength and Joe wins that. They take it to the mat after that as Danielson works an Indian Death Lock while wrenching back Joe's neck. Danielson targets the leg but Joe quickly counters with a Boston Crab after booting Danielson in the back. They get up and exchange chops and slaps then Joe hits a delayed vertical suplex for two. Danielson gets right up and boots Joe in the chest and hits a few chops but gets caught and slammed down with an uranage that got two. Damn. Joe kills Danielson will kicks and chops as the crowd is digging Joe. He then puts Danielson in a bow and arrow lock. Joe powerbombs Danielson then puts him in a STF was Danielson was just able to reach the ropes. Joe hits Danielson with a bunch of strikes but Danielson takes him down with a pair of enziguiris as both men are down. Danielson is up first and gives Joe everything he has as the crowd goes nuts. Snap suplex gets two. Joe catches him with a German suplex that got two then facewashes Bryan in the corner. Joe then heads up top but Danielson cuts him off and hits a superplex. Danielson heads up top and hits a diving headbutt that gets two. Once again, they trade strikes as Danielson knocks him down and gets two. Joe takes him down with a drop toehold then hits all sorts of knee strikes. Joe takes Danielson down with a knee smash then flattens him with a powerbomb. He picks him up for another powerbomb but Danielson turns that into a small package and gets the win (15:12) ***1/4.

Thoughts: I liked their match at "Revenge on the Prophecy" better than this one. Sure, they hit hard here but I hated the psychology as they would hit each other hard then hit a big move that would immediately lead to a comeback.

Alison Danger welcomes Xavier, who comes out and says he is here to scout his competition in the #1 Contender's match after insulting the fans. The audio quality sucked here and this went on for too long as Xavier is weak on the mic.

#1 Contender's Match
Paul London vs. AJ Styles vs. Low Ki

Everyone goes after each other to start. London and Ki block each other's diving attacks. AJ and Ki start brawling outside of the ring untilLondon takes them out with a frog splash. London gets two with an Oklahoma roll on Ki but gets chopped hard afterwards. London skins the cat but AJ catches his legs then Ki kicks him and AJ drops London, who splats on the mat. London's fucking crazy taking that bump. AJ beats on Ki but stalls and that allows London to hit him from behind with a missile dropkick. AJ comes back with a rana then London hits AJ with rolling Northern Lights Suplexes. Ki breaks up a fallaway slam bridging pin attempt then beats on London. AJ tries the Phenomenon but Ki drops down and boots him in the face and gets two. Ki puts the Dragon Clutch on London then AJ hits Ki with the Phenomenon from that position. Crazy move but it did not look that smooth. AJ hits a gutbuster/backbreaker combo before hitting a T-Bone Suplex that got two in an awesome sequence. AJ is unbelievably crisp and fast. AJ stretches out London while Ki hits him with the Krush Combo. Ki then puts AJ in the Dragon Clutch then London cranks back his neck as his legs are still tied up with AJ's. The crowd applauds as all three men are down. Ki hits AJ with a springboard quick then the Krush Rush but London makes the save on the pin attempt. Ki and London trade strikes then in midair, London counters the Krush Rush with a DDT in an awesome spot but that only gets two. London and AJ are trading forearm smashes as AJ is crouched on the top rope and that leads to a contrived but visually impressive spot when Ki counters a top rope Styles Clash with a rana and London powerbombs AJ in midair. Ki broke up that pin attempt with a basement dropkick as the crowd is going crazy. Ki kills everyone with kicks then everyone trades nearfalls as they are all hurting. Ki hits London with the Tidal Krush as he was on the top rope then drills AJ with a Shining Wizard for two. Ki heads up top and brawls with London then AJ climbs up and this ends with a Super Ki Krusher on AJ but London flies off with a Shooting Star Press and covers AJ for the win (19:12) ***3/4. The crowd chants "match of the year" afterwards.

Thoughts: Certainly not a MOTYC but a very good match regardless. AJ took a shit-kicking here and the finish was insane. This match picked up a lot at the end too. Unfortunately for Ki, he would spend the rest of the year in RoH feuding with Special K as he plummeted down the card.

After the match, Xavier takes off his clothes to reveal his wrestling gear then informs London (while interrupted by several "what" chants) that he will be facing London now.

RoH Championship Match
Paul London vs. Xavier (Champion) w/ Allison Danger

Xavier attacks London from behind as he was distracted by Danger. London fights back and catches Xavier with a pair of armdrags then a spin kick. Danger trips up London then Xavier hits him with an overhead suplex. Alexis Laree runs out and has a catfight with Danger until Xavier pulls Danger away. Back inside, London slams Xavier off of the top rope. Xavier comes back and drops London on his head with a German Suplex then takes control of the match. London blocks a Cobra Clutch suplex then hits a neckbreaker as both men are down. London covers and gets two then charges at Xavier but gets tossed over the top rope and crashes through the timekeeper's table. Xavier goes outside and they trade chops until Xavier whips London into the guardrail. Xavier busts open London by sending him into the ringpost. Back inside, Xavier uses an arrogant cover on London then gets kicked in the face. He cuts off a comeback by London with an European Uppercut then chokes out London in the corner. He hits the Cobra Clutch suplex but London manages to kick out. On top, London lands on Xavier after a back suplex then London hits a pair of dropkicks. He hits a springboard forearm smash then slams him near the ropes. London heads up top but Xavier rolls out and heads up the aisle so London flies out anyway and takes him out with a flying body press that looked very impressive. Back inside, London hits a double springboard moonsault but Xavier grabs the ropes. Danger accidentally trips up Xavier then London takes him outside and files out with a diving attack that nearly killed Danger. London sidesteps a charging Xavier who accidentally spears Danger into the guardrail. London hits Xavier with a moonsault off of the guardrail then rolls Xavier back inside as Xavier begs for mercy. London fires away and gets a few nearfalls. He heads up top and Xavier meets him but London shoves off Xavier and the crowd goes nuts as London sets up for the SSP and hits it but Danger drags Xavier outside just in time. Laree comes back and bets on Danger in the ring as London and Xavier brawl outside. Back in, Xavier hits London with the Kiss Your X Goodbye then sets up for the 450 splash and hits London who manages to kick out as the crowd goes nuts. Xavier tries the X Breaker but London counters with a small package and that triggers a pinfall reversal sequence that ends with Xavier grabbing a handful of tights on a reverse rollup attempt for the win (19:35) ***3/4.

Thoughts: I really liked this match and even thought it was better than the one they had at "Final Battle." London's selling was superb, especially when you add the fact that he would take crazy bumps, but Xavier held up on his end here as these two had fantastic chemistry together. The fans bought all of the nearfalls and when London was setting up for the SSP, the place was going to explode if that was the finish.

RoH Flashback of Eddie Guerrero getting the win at "Night of Appreciation" as the locker room congratulates him.

Scramble Match
Da Hit Squad & Mikey Whipwreck & SAT's & Divine Storm w/ Trinity vs. Special K (Deranged & Izzy & Dixie & Brian XL & Jody Fleisch & Angeldust & Slim J) w/ Slugga & Yeyo & Hydro

Whipwreck is the trainer for most of the guys on the face side, who are wearing face paint. Everyone trades off with Brian XL and Jose  working an awful sequence together. Brian XL is one of the worst wrestlers RoH had at the beginning. Funny moment as Deranged teases a test of strength with Mack then ends up ticking his belly as Mack laughs like he is the Pillsbury Dough Boy. The action is fairly slow here and remains sloppy. Mack sends Deranged in the corner with an overhead suplex as the announcers talk about how Special K are spoiled ravers living off of their parents every chance they get. Flesich dances around then Maff slaps him around. Whipwreck tags and cleans house as Special K retreats outside then Whipwreck gets surrounded by Special K who run out and hit everyone with dives in a terrible looking spot. Fleisch was still inside and hits Maff with a somersault plancha then Whipwreck takes everyone out with a senton. The face team beats the shit out of Angel Dust as this match is dragging badly. Everyone takes turns hitting Angel Dust with baseball slides as he was in the tree of woe. Lots of standing around as action is not picking up then Mikey turns on his guys and hits them all with stunners then hits Storm with the Whippersnapper. Trinity comes in then Slugger comes in but gets slapped as Slugger hits her with the Body Bag then takes her out and carries her to the back as Whipwreck follows. Special K hits Storm with the baseball slide spot from earlier as this match is just a complete clusterfuck and the crowd seems disinterested. Da Hit Squad toss around a few of the Special K guys as some of the others are brawling outside. They have a trainwreck spot as everyone is down on the mat but the crowd is not impressed. This thing needed to wrap up 5 minutes ago but here it is, still going on as no one cares. Now everyone winds up on the floor outside in another wreck spot as Angel Dust tries to fight off Da Hit Squad in the ring. Everyone now trades off in the ring with Brian XL and Jose working yet another terrible sequence together. Fleisch hits Joel with the 720 DDT but Jose breaks it up then hits Fleisch with rolling piledrivers capped off with a facecrusher but that only gets two. More nearfalls are traded off as guys are kicking out of high impact stuff here. Angel Dust knees Mafia in the ribs after a springboard 450 splash then the SAT's take Dust off the top with the Spanish Fly but Brian XL and Fleisch make the save. After a few minutes, Mafia hits Deranged with a Super Burning Hammer for the win (33:47) *1/2.

Thoughts: Holy shit was this excruciating. Who in their right mind books a 33 minute long spotfest at the end of a show. Was this the best they could do to send the crowd home happy after London lost? The crowd was done with this halfway through and no one stood out as it was a major waste of time. This was Divine's last appearance in RoH as he would soon be run out of wrestling after roughing up his girlfriend, Trinity. He sucks both as a wrestler and as a human being.

RoH Flashback from "Revenge on the Prophecy" of the Styles/Ki vs. Xavier/Daniels tag match.

Daniels is with Danger backstage and tells Corino that he was thrilled how he won the NWA Title and became the top Gaijin in the Zero One promotion and supportive in general of him so if he wants a war, he should fire the first shot.

London and Styles are backstage as Styles suggests they become tag team partners so they can go for the gold.

Punk cuts a promo about respecting people as Cabana interrupts when his name is said as Punk tells him to shut up and that he is lucky to be sleeping on his hotel room floor. He then repeats the beginning of the promo and that he is proud to be in RoH but that someone coming to RoH does not fit the bill of RoH and that is Raven. Punk goes on about how he is straight edge and says that Raven is against his beliefs and that he is a weak individual who is unable to control his own demons then challenges Raven to a match at the "Expect the Unexpected" show in Cambridge, MA and how he will figure out how straight edge means he is better than you then tells Cabana to hurry up or he will have to sleep in his car.

Raven is sitting down cutting a promo about how Punk reminded him of himself when he was younger and old guys hated his arrogance. He then says that his condition is better and that Punk will have to knock him as he has been hit with every weapon there is from cheese graters to chairs. He finishes by saying Punk might not have the balls to walk on the dark side and finishes by welcoming Punk to his Clockwork Orange House of Fun.

Backstage, Feinstein is presented a cake and gets it smashed in his face. He closes by offering the cake to the others.

Final Thoughts: At over four hours long, it drags at points but there were a few good matches and they set up new feuds, especially with intriguing promos from Raven and Punk, who showed a lot of arrogance here. The shitty main event and the never ending replay segment of the "riot" took up roughly an hour of the show. Luckily, just about everything else was solid, making this a good show overall.


  1. "These two [Homicide and Steve Corino] never really seemed on the same page and the match suffered as a result."
    Yeah, but their matches at Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enmies, and War of the Wire were real good. I remember liking the riot the first time I saw it but I really really drinking ROH Kool-Aid at the time.

    I love the three way from this show. Just real fun stuff. The main event is a fucking horror show. When I watched this for the first time was at at my peak fandom for spotfests and I absolutely hated the main event.

  2. just before I saw the bank draft which said $8016, I didn't believe friends brother could realey making money parttime from there

    pretty old laptop.. there uncles cousin has done this for less than 18 months and by now repaid the dept on their house and bought a brand new Mercedes. we looked here,... ------------,.

  3. Adam "Colorado" CurrySeptember 28, 2014 at 11:11 PM

    I hope you step on a piece of broken glass and get a nasty staph infection.

  4. I heard Homicide smoked pot and went to a strip club... so according to parallax1978 he is nothing but a criminal who contributes nothing good to society. dare ROH and TNA ever employ a guy like that

  5. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieSeptember 29, 2014 at 3:00 AM

    Nice burn?

  6. Threadjack: So the crossover. Did you see it last night, Scott, and if so, opinions?

  7. It took a long while for Punk to come together as a wrestler in my opinion. By the first Summer of Punk in RoH his mic skills were top notch, but his matches always bored me & seemed unfocused. Then when he went to WWECW, his mic skills regressed because he could no longer say whatever he wanted. He got back up there, and as far as the quality of his matches went I think learning WWE Style was the best thing for him. The style works really well for a lot of indie guys - I prefer (Antonio) Cesaro's ring work to that of Claudio Castagnoli, for example.

  8. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighSeptember 29, 2014 at 6:48 AM

    He had his moments and always had potential

  9. He was my favorite around 2004, but losing to Carlito 18 times in a row pretty much killed his career. Add him to the list of guys I can't picture WWE re-hiring. Old news.

  10. Zack Ryder vs The Great Khali?

  11. This was obviously inspired by JoMo.

  12. lol The Miz vs Morrison is barely even a decent midcard feud, let alone something with the caliber of a Wrestlemania main event. It should have been Cena vs Punk, but at least with Cena vs The Miz, you had Cena there to make it feel big.

    I remember one promo in particular where Miz and Morrison were going back and forth with each other (the one where Morrison said The Miz was the Jannetty of the team) that I felt truly highlighted Morrison's terrible verbal skills.

  13. Thing is, Punk wasn't helping his case by basically advertising that he was leaving the moment his contract expired a few months after WM. I don't blame them for not investing in him for a WM main event. (Hell, he did the same thing about WM 30. He talks too much)

  14. I am surprised they didn't bring him back as a Money in the Bank All Star this year like they did with Van Dam in 2013.

    He would inject a lot of needed freshness into the upper card. He's actually missed.

  15. I like Morrison well enough but I'm not a huge fan. He does some cool high flying stuff but a lot of his other stuff looks awful to me (his punches and kicks generally look terrible, unless they improved after 2011 and I'm forgetting...I'm rewatching some 2011 PPVs). I know some people like him a lot but for me he's Kofi...a solid midcard face at the IC/US title level but that's about it.

  16. Had being the operative word. He's a shell of what he was in the wwe now. Wouldn't be opposed to a Charlie haas return though

  17. The Love-Matic Grampa!September 29, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    WWE has made it clear that they're moving forward, not backward. Unless you're Billy Gunn and Roaddog.

    With the Performance Center up and running and the ROH Mafia coming aboard shortly, JoMo, Angle, Bully Ray and most of the other TNA/early 2000s WWE stars are out of luck unless a new money mark shows up with a network timeslot. As noted, Jeff Hardy has the best shot getting rehired, and even then it's not a slam dunk that he will. They're in no hurry to bring anyone back who isn't in a position to make them lots of money in a hurry.

  18. Maybe not. THANK GOD FOR MIZ/CENA!

  19. I would love for a Morrison return, he had an undeniable charm that the crowded connected with. I remember watching the Smackdown when he got into a fight with Jericho and thinking, "wow they are going to try this guy as a babyface" and it worked.

    His promos aren't great but the character is supposed to be a little spacey so it's all right and they were good enough. But his ring presence and his natural charisma were very good and like people said he was over huge without getting much of a sustained push and rarely going over a big name.

  20. What's so "white trash" about listening to an awesome band like Disturbed?

  21. Who cares whether or not he's "updated" his moves? People make the same criticism of RVD and yet he's still pretty over with the crowd.

  22. Maybe, but should it have mattered? It's not like The Miz went anywhere shortly after Wrestlemania 27 either. That may not have been their original intention, but still. And if I recall, didn't Punk only threaten to walk out BECAUSE he was pissed that The Miz got the main event of Wrestlemania over him? I mean, the reason he renewed his contract later in the year was because he was given a push.

    Even if he were proclaiming 100% that he was leaving later in the year, I still say him against Cena would have been best. Just look at the reaction when Cena faced off with Punk and the rest of Nexus in the 2011 Royal Rumble match.

  23. Well I for one obviously care since I mentioned it, but hey everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've liked both guys at various points in the past (especially RVD around say 98) but after a while they just get stale. I don't think RVD is still really over with the crowd either, they seem indifferent about him. Just a preference, Hardy bores me.

  24. I guess what sounds like cheers coming from my television set must sound like boos or dead silence coming from yours then. We'll agree to disagree.

  25. I watch it on mute while doing other things - maybe that has an impact?

  26. I was there live in the front row for this show with my dad (trying to relive our ECW days), and the brawl was crazy to say the least. I was legit scared at the very beginning. I think it was pretty ballsy to do this type of angle in Queens, NY where the fans are certainly rowdy. I watched it on VHS later and the craziness does not hold up well unfortunately. It was definitely one of those "you had to be there" moments.

  27. I was at this show as well. It was my first indie show ever. It may have played out as running long on video but, as a complete newbie to the indies, I was pretty damn scared when the riot broke out.

    Just great to now go back and remember how many future icons we saw that night.

  28. I was there as well! I remember the 3 way being amazing and the London vs Xavier match to be much worse, so I'm surprised to see the same rating for both. I haven't seen it since though, so now I want to! Pretty sure I bought the DVD as soon as it was available too. Damn those ROH merch stands, that's how they get you!

    PS, I don't remember CM Punk being there at all. I'm trying to remember if anyone even gave a shit about him back then.

    PPS The riot was insane live.


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