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Fall Brawl 1999

Fall Brawl 1999
Date: September 12, 1998
Location: Lawrence Joel Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Attendance: 7,491
Commentators: Tony Schiavone, Mike Tenay, Bobby Heenan

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

Well we had to get here eventually, even though I don't think people wanted to. The main event here is Sting vs. Hogan for the title and Goldberg vs. Page because those are fresh matches. We also get to see the Revolution rising up the card in a big No DQ tag match and Benoit defending the US Title against one of the draws in Sid, who is nice enough to give Benoit a main event rub. This is also the first show without Bischoff at the helm so some of the details could be interesting. Let's get to it.

We open with a video that looks like it's inspired by the Matrix with rapid fire text behind shots of Sting, Luger and Hogan as they talk about who can trust each other. Hogan will NEVER screw Sting of course.

The announcers, all wearing black ribbons in honor of Mark Curtis (nice touch), aren't sure who should trust who either. Sid is officially 79-0 coming into tonight, because they wanted to match Goldberg's Streak but couldn't even keep their fake wins even with Goldberg fighting for the title in his 75th match.

Video on the Clowns vs. the actual wrestlers. The point of the video is about whether they're wrestlers or musicians plus something about Eddie and Vampiro not liking each other in Mexico. Nothing is mentioned about the Clowns and Vampiro recruiting various wrestlers, making it even more pointless than it seemed before.

The set is a big FALL BRAWL sign with the letters being used as the video screen. As I'm sure you can guess, this makes the video almost impossible to see, meaning WCW managed to screw up the idea of A BIG SCREEN.

Insane Clown Posse/Vampiro vs. Eddie Guerrero/Rey Mysterio Jr./Kidman

Same opener as last month. Mysterio now has bleached blond hair and the same attire as Kidman. We pause a bit as the heels are scared because they've never seen the color yellow. Xanthophobists. The stalling begins as Heenan points out the resemblance between Violent J. (with hair as blond as Mysterio) and Brian Knobbs. Kidman and Shaggy finally get things going with Shaggy sending Kidman into Vampiro's boot. A dropkick puts Mr. 2 Dope (or is it Mr. Dope? His parents gave him the middle name 2?) down and they botch a wheelbarrow slam into a guillotine legdrop from Rey.

Eddie adds the slingshot hilo and the Clown is in early trouble. Mysterio hits the springboard falling splash before throwing him over for a tag to J. A catapult sends him into the buckle and the Clowns do the fake tag bit to bring in Vampiro. It's off to Kidman who dropkicks Vampiro back into the corner, meaning we get more Clowns. Oh how blessed we truly are. J. scores with a chop (wow he can stick his hand out!) and it's back to Vampiro for a good powerbomb on Kidman (that's twice in two weeks. Kidman must be sick) for two.

A top rope spinwheel kick to the hands gets two for Vampiro as Tony gets in the revelation of the night, saying he used to braid his hair like Vampiro. Thankfully Tenay doesn't let that by but Tony gets away from it as fast as he can. Back to J. for a weak chop before Kidman nails him with a clothesline. Rey comes in with the springboard seated senton and a Lionsault for two but the Clowns cheat to take Mysterio outside. Shaggy even needs help whipping Rey into the barricade.

Back in for a chinlock and some horrible stomps from Shaggy. Vampiro goes after Eddie and Kidman but it allows Rey to tag in Eddie to speed things up. A quick mule kick puts Guerrero down though and it's back to J. for a side slam. Shaggy drops a top rope legdrop, which barely grazes Eddie's forehead for two. There is zero reason to allow them to do high risk moves like that when they clearly can't do them right. If nothing else it's not fair to Eddie to lay there with his head and neck in danger like that.

Everything breaks down and Shaggy and Vampiro HORRIBLY botch something like a 3D with Vampiro sitting instead of falling and Shaggy losing his grip on Eddie, turning it into more of an assisted backdrop than anything else. Rey is down on the floor and seems to be hurt. Vampiro gutwrench superplexes Kidman but eats a missile dropkick from Eddie, who looks ticked off. The shooting star from Kidman is enough to pin Vampiro.

Rating: D-. I feel so, so sorry for the Filthy Animals here as they were in there with guys who had no business in the ring and had to babysit them. Eddie had to take that legdrop on his head and the botched 3D and Mysterio got hurt (might not have been the Clowns' fault to be fair). These guys should be on the Revolution's level right now (Eddie would be fine as a mouthpiece instead of Shane) but instead they're in these bad opening matches because they have one talented guy to work with instead of three, putting them at a huge and unsafe handicap.

The Revolution guarantees a clean sweep tonight.

We recap Lenny Lane winning the Cruiserweight Title, which is basically just him sending Rey into Lodi and rolling him up for the pin. Kaz Hayashi pinned Lenny in a match against Lodi and that's enough for the title shot. Of course these guys couldn't keep an eye on the Clowns while the other three fight over the title.

Cruiserweight Title: Kaz Hayashi vs. Lenny Lane

Lodi has at least toned it down a bit and is just covered in glitter and wearing leather pants. It's amazing how much different Tony is without Bischoff around as he's staying on the stories and matches without saying anything overly stupid. Feeling out process to start until Lane prances around the ring. Kaz fires off some kicks to the leg and kicks Lenny in the back to pull him down into a sunset flip for two. That's a new one. A nice headscissors sends Lane to the floor and he jumps into Lodi's arms in an old standard. Kaz dives onto both of them and the champ is still in trouble.

Lodi finally gets something right by tripping Hayashi to give Lane control. A sitout wheelbarrow slam gets two on Kaz and it's time to pose. Lane hits a nice sitout gutwrench powerbomb for two as this match is actually pretty good so far. Kaz gets back up and sends Lenny outside for a big flip dive. The advantage is short lived though as Lodi gets in a cheap shot to give Lenny control again.

We hit the chinlock with Chris Jericho look-a-like Lenny Lane telling the referee to ask him. Hayashi escapes a German suplex and gets two off a standing hurricanrana, only to get bulldogged down for the same. The champ gets caught in a belly to back and a running Liger Bomb out of the corner gets two more with Lodi making the save. You can tell Bischoff is gone as Tony actually knew the name of the move.

Kaz is crotched on top and you can see the glitter all over his back. Lenny and Lodi almost collide, allowing Kaz to grab a victory roll for two more. Lodi's next attempt at cheating works though as he snaps Kaz throat first across the top rope, setting up a Skull Crushing Finale to retain Lenny's title.

Rating: C+. Why do I have a bad feeling we just saw the match of the night? This was far better than I was expecting, which isn't saying much as I didn't expect anything from this one. It's a totally acceptable and at times quite good match with Kaz being a good choice as challenger of the week to Lane's title, even though he's just keeping it warm until we get to a bigger name to take over as champion.

Here's Sting for the pay per view interview before his title shot in the main event. First up, Luger is on the verge of losing their friendship forever. Tonight is beyond big for Sting so if Luger sticks his nose in his business tonight, it's the same result as it was last week. I'm assuming he means earlier this week on Monday when Sting punched him but you can't expect grown men to remember things like days of the week. Sting takes the mic and says his ninth title reign could start tonight because it's showtime folks. This really didn't need to be on pay per view.

We recap the Revolution vs. the First Family and I still have no idea why this match is happening.

Shane Douglas/Dean Malenko vs. Hugh Morrus/Brian Knobbs

No DQ for reasons that have yet to be explained. Shane says we're in Saginaw, Michigan, which to be fair is where they taped Thunder a mere ten days earlier. It's a brawl to start, which is what it should be in a No DQ match. Morrus easily stomps Shane down on the floor, leaving Dean to beat up both villains on his own. Shane comes back in to low blow both guys as you can see the fans leaving to go to the concession stands.

The First Family poses outside so some baseball slides (baseball grab the rope and kick for Shane) knock them into the aisle. The announcers do everything they can to put the First Family over as a major threat and a good team, even as Malenko and Douglas send them into the steps. Lots of punching abounds until we settle down to Knobbs vs. Shane in the ring. Brian gives him the Pit Stop before it's off to Malenko to armdrag the legal Morrus. Hugh hammers away in the corner but charges into Shane's boots.

Back to Dean as you can still see about ten seats opposite the hard camera sitting empty. They head outside with Brian sending Shane into the barricade but Douglas trips Morrus off the apron to take over. Back in and Knobbs slams Shane down, only to dive into a raised boot. The hot tag brings in Dean to clean house as the fans really aren't interested. Could it be because he's beating up some goofs who should be headlining Saturday Night? Knobbs is sent to the floor where he trips Dean, allowing Morrus to plant him with a slam, setting up No Laughing Matter for the pin. It really was that sudden.

Rating: G. As in good grief just close the doors now. I know the big match coming later that people usually rant about on this show, but this one is far more absurd. At least with the other one it's a big name going over an up and comer. This is putting two young(ish) guys down for the sake of pushing BRIAN KNOBBS??? To make it even worse, the First Family would win a total of two more televised matches for the rest of the year, meaning this didn't even lead anywhere.

This comes off as more of a political move than anything else, as WCW can now say the fans aren't behind the Revolution because fans rarely cheer teams that lose completely clean to low level tag teams on pay per view. “See? The fans don't like them so there's no point in pushing them. Maybe they can put over the Rednecks again so we can laugh at those southern idiots cheering a couple of cowboys.” The No DQ stuff didn't mean anything else as they were only on the floor in the first part of the match.
I watched this match out of context a few years back and I was more angry than anything else. Watching it again, with all the Nitros and Thunders to give it context, it's more sad now. Somehow seeing these two jugheads beat the team that should be helping bring WCW into the new generation doesn't surprise me. It's something that makes sense for WCW and makes me wonder how Dean and company managed to stay as long as they did. That's sad.

Tony immediately brings up Saturn being wrong about guaranteeing a sweep tonight, just to emphasize that the Revolution is a bunch of losers.

We recap Saturn vs. Steiner which is little more than old vs. new for old's TV Title, which he's already said is worthless and doesn't even carry with him.

TV Title: Perry Saturn vs. Rick Steiner

As usual, the announcers talk about Scott Steiner like he's here every week even though he hasn't been seen in about four months. Steiner immediately takes Saturn down and hits him in the face as we're told that Buff Bagwell hasn't arrived yet so there will be a replacement for his match with Berlyn.

Saturn speeds things up with a superkick and spinning springboard legdrop to send the champ outside, setting up a nice suicide dive. The fans aren't reacting to these moves but they're nice at least. Back in and a release German gets two on the champ but he kicks Saturn between the legs (thankfully the referee wasn't looking for a change) to take over. Tenay talks about Mark Curtis passing away and you can tell the announcers really cared for him.

Saturn is sent outside and into the steps, followed by an exposed DDT on the concrete. Now in 1986, that started a big house show feud between Jake Roberts and Ricky Steamboat. Here, it doesn't keep Saturn off his feet for thirty seconds. Steiner hits a good looking release German for two and we hit the reverse chinlock to keep the crowd comatose. Now it's a kneeling half crab, making Saturn slap the mat to get the crowd fired up, which isn't tapping out because of.....uh, reasons.

Steiner clearly isn't even pulling back on the hold to make this an even bigger laughingstock. Thankfully Saturn doesn't bother to sell it and hits a middle rope dropkick and a modified t-bone suplex for two of his own. The Death Valley Driver gets the same to make it clear that Steiner is retaining. He rams Saturn stomach first into the buckle but gets crotched on top. It's more false hope though as Steiner shoves him off the ropes and hits the bulldog to retain.

Rating: D. Saturn was trying but you can't out work stupid booking. I have no idea who thought keeping the title on Steiner was a good idea at this point but they must have had a lot of stroke. The TV Title isn't going to make it to the middle of April (and would be gone for about two and a half months in between) and it's this reign that killed it. The matches haven't been good (his opponents' halves have been watchable but that's about it) and the fans just do not react to him. Plus there was that time when he said the title was worthless. Why keep the title around if there's nothing to it?

Tony keeps piling on the Revolution and makes it worse by bringing up Goldberg beating Steiner last month, just to emphasize how many people there are that are better than Saturn.

Hogan is sick of the wrestlers questioning him. He's promised his kids that he will not stab Sting in the back because he would have done it a long time ago. Tonight, he's taking care of Sting and he'll take care of Luger later. Ignore the WE WANT FLAIR chants during this segment because Flair isn't a draw, especially in the Carolinas.

The announcers speculate about Hogan being worried. They really picked now to kill time after three straight heel wins?

Berlyn vs. ???

Berlyn has a big bodyguard with him meaning the horrible blonde interpreter seems to be gone. The replacement opponent......Jim Duggan. Berlyn jumps him before the bell but a dropkick doesn't put Duggan down. Some clotheslines send Berlyn over the top and out to the floor for a USA chant. After some stalling, an atomic drop sends Berlyn into the corner as it's almost all Duggan.

Berlyn kicks him in the ribs and grabs a headlock before Jim no sells a European uppercut. An eye poke finally slows him down and we hit the chinlock to kill whatever momentum they were getting. Duggan fights up and drives some shoulders into the ribs before they hit the mat for something resembling a wrestling sequence, which is somehow even worse than you would expect. Now they just stand there and look at each other until Berlyn hooks the worst snapmare this side of Dusty vs. Flair at Starrcade 1985.

We hit another chinlock as Heenan says this looks like two winos fighting over a bottle on the sidewalk. Bobby gets in an easy set of jokes about a hair takedown (“Is that German? When I'm over there it's Herr Heenan and Okerlund is still Herr less.”) as they head outside for the yet to be named Wall to run Duggan over with a clothesline. Back in and they finally end this mess with Berlyn hitting a sitdown neckbreaker, which Duggan sells by falling backwards onto him.

Rating: F. As much as I'd love to blast Berlyn, this was almost all on Duggan. He wouldn't sell and spent most of the match making goofy faces instead of doing anything productive. The announcers were more into the bodyguard than the match, but can you blame them after this mess? This was pretty much it for Berlyn as he wouldn't recover from this mess. I feel bad for him as this is the second time this happened to Wright. You might remember SuperBrawl V in 1995, where Paul Roma basically did the exact same thing. That's some horrible luck.

We cut to the back to see Buff Bagwell who says he can be ready in two minutes but agent Mike Graham says the format has already been changed. Buff hits the ring but Duggan is mad at him. From what I can find, Bagwell didn't want to do the job so they sent Duggan out there instead. As unprofessional as that is, can you blame Bagwell? He was supposed to get this big push and then Piper wouldn't put him over in a wrestling match and Bagwell's push was gone, so now he's supposed to job to Alex Wright in a gimmick that has already bombed? As usual, WCW seems to be a huge mess behind and in front of the camera.

Quick recap of the Tag Team Title feud. The Rednecks cheated to win the belts and Harlem Heat wants their rematch. After all this mess tonight, a simple story like that sounds great.

Tag Team Titles: Harlem Heat vs. West Texas Rednecks

Kendall Windham in a spot this big doesn't sound good however. Curly Bill isn't here, which is probably best for everyone involved. Curt however is here with the cowbell. Heenan brings up the Steiners as the most dominant tag team of all time (because where would we be without praising them in 1999?) and Tony says they were the best team of the 1980s, despite wrestling for a year at most in that decade.

After a brawl to start it's Booker kicking Kendall down before Barry comes in and getting double suplexed. There's a big boot to Barry's face as the crowd is trying to get into this for some reason. Then the tag brings in Kendall and the fans go right back down, which WCW never seemed to learn. Stevie stares at Kendall for trying to punch him but a right hand from Barry puts him down. Barry just looks horribly out of shape and it's a very good thing that he's wrestling in a t-shirt.

Curt doesn't seem to be paying attention as a double clothesline gets two on Stevie. Ray powerslams him down and it's off to Kendall vs. Booker with T. taking over with the usual kicks. Hennig gets on the apron but Booker kicks Kendall down again, sending all three Rednecks to the floor. Booker follows them out and gets beaten up as Stevie is too slow getting over for the save.

Back in and Booker shrugs off Kendall's lame offense and hits the ax kick, only to have Barry clothesline him down. Hennig gets in some cheap shots as Stevie gets held back by the referee. Barry's superplex gets two with Stevie finally getting the timing right on the save. The spinning sunset flip out of the corner gets two for Booker as this match just keeps going. The referee doesn't see the tag to Stevie and the Rednecks cheat even more.

Kendall gets two off a middle rope clothesline and Stevie doesn't even have to move from the apron to make the save. They redo the missed tag spot but this time Stevie just beats the Windhams up anyway. Everything breaks down and Curt hits Stevie with the cowbell but the referee doesn't see the cover. Booker comes in off the top with the missile dropkick to give the Heat the belts back.

Rating: D. And that's being generous because I've failed a lot of matches tonight. This was so boring as it went on about five minutes longer than it should have and didn't get anywhere. Harlem Heat getting the belts back is definitely the right move, but we're right back where we were after Road Wild went off the air. This show is long past the point of saving and this didn't help things. It doesn't help that this is the sixth match and the second won by good guys. Side note: this is the eleventh title change of the year (counting vacations) and we're eight and a half months into the year. There would be eight more coming.

We recap the Sid Vicious Streak and Benoit challenging him because that's what a good, young wrestler does. Sid even called Benoit the only member of the Revolution that stood out. Here's his reward for impressing Sid.

US Title: Sid Vicious vs. Chris Benoit

I love how the announcers just talk about Sid's streak like it's legit and the same as Goldberg's, even after showing us how he got there. Tenay brings up the disaster that was the battle royal competition on Monday to get things going. We start with the stalling as referee Charles Robinson is accused of being a Sid cheerleader. Sid shoves Benoit down and stops to yell at the fans. Tony: “That was a big moment for Sid.” Sid knocks him to the floor with a shoulder as the announcers are already treating this like a mismatch.

Back in and Sid hammers away before choking on the ropes. A dragon screw leg whip puts Sid down and Benoit starts working on the knee like a smart wrestler would. An Indian deathlock makes Sid scream as the empty seats are showing up again. The fans chant for Goldberg as Sid gets back up and kicks at Benoit in the corner. A running boot misses but confirms that Sid isn't interested in selling the knee. Benoit wraps the knee around the post and crushes them between the post and steps (Tony: “HOLY CHRISTMAS!”) twice in a row.

Sid is thrown back inside and easily catches Benoit's top rope cross body, even lifting up his good knee to drive into Benoit's back, meaning he's holding Benoit up on the bad leg alone thirty seconds after Benoit crushed it against the post. All hope is lost. Benoit muscles him over with a German but Sid pops up and hits a Samoan drop to counter a crucifix attempt. A cobra clutch puts Benoit down again and we hit the chinlock (with Sid's hands around Benoit's face and no pressure on the back because Sid CAN'T EVEN DO A CHINLOCK PROPERLY) because all this no selling has made Sid tired.

Benoit fights up and tries a sunset flip but Sid just sits on him to stop any comeback attempt. Another dropkick to the knee puts Sid down and there's the Crossface. Sid SLAPS THE MAT but it's hitting the mat in disgust instead of tapping. My goodness this is killing my soul. Sid of course gets to stand up and break the hold but is nice enough to fall back down with his foot in the ropes. Not that it matters as Sid avoids the Swan Dive and powerbombs Benoit for the pin and the title.

Rating: S. For Screw You WCW. Seriously screw you. Benoit was doing everything he could out there to tell a story by going after the knee and trying to break Sid down but Sid just gets up and does whatever he wants because WCW is run by a bunch of incompetent morons. It's even a theme tonight.

The Clowns get on the show because they're famous (to a niche group of fans of course but when has that ever stopped WCW?) and WCW sends out its talented guys to baby sit them. The First Family gets to beat Malenko and Douglas completely clean because well why not. Then Rick Steiner gets to keep his title because they haven't buried that thing enough yet. Bagwell, who is a veteran at this point as he's been in WCW for over eight years, doesn't feel like losing so we have to watch Duggan be a disaster (and likely not get punished for no selling) and then see Bagwell do a run-in anyway, meaning he likely got a PPV pay day.

Then the Windhams still have jobs despite Barry not being in good enough shape to wrestle without a t-shirt on (which is too small and we can still see his huge gut). Then there's this mess, which results in Benoit being pushed down the card and Sid getting the biggest push he ever had in WCW because they can't get any worse than this right? I'm so glad Benoit and company would be gone soon because no one who works hard even at all deserves to go through this.

And just to top it off. Tony: “He earned win #80 here.” Again, make sure you emphasize that the Revolution is just not good enough in case someone thinks otherwise.

We recap Page vs. Goldberg, which is basically Goldberg destroying the Triad to give him something to do before the big showdown with Sid.

Goldberg vs. Diamond Dallas Page

Tenay brings up the Halloween Havoc match from last year before admitting that it's a completely different Page now. We get an old school weapons check....and the referee finds a chain. And a roll of coins! That right there is the only funny thing we're going to see all night. Goldberg slugs Page to the floor and the stalling is already on. Back in and Page gets caught in a headlock before getting shoved into the corner a few times.

A shoulder sends Page back outside where he threatens to leave if the Goldberg chants don't stop. They head into the crowd with Goldberg getting the better of it, as if you would expect anything else. Back in and the Diamond Cutter is countered into a powerslam. Page shoves the referee down and kicks Goldberg low before pulling out a third weapon to knock Goldberg silly. We hit the standard heel slowdown offense as Page hits him with the object again. Thankfully the referee wasn't looking for no apparent reason.

Off to the chinlock as this torture continues. Goldberg Hulks Up but gets caught in a bad looking float over DDT for two. Page tries a spear but gets suplexed down for two as the Triad is here. Kanyon breaks something over the back of Goldberg's head (drawing blood from the neck) and setting up a left armed Rock Bottom from Page for two more. Not that it matters as the spear and Jackhammer finish Page with ease.

Rating: D. One of the best matches of the night here despite being an exercise in how long can we stay in Memphis before Page comes back and pins Page. DDP was not working as a heel here with most of his heat coming from Yo Mama jokes and then bad matches following. Nothing to see here as the match was never once in doubt, especially with Sid looming (and still not selling anything as he waits).

We recap Hogan vs. Sting, which again is over trust or some nonsense like that involving the Hummer, because that thing just won't die.

WCW World Title: Hulk Hogan vs. Sting

Buffer says Sting has no affiliation. Hogan doesn't really either does he? Before the bell, here's Bret Hart (Buffer: “Only to pass on his offer of good luck for both men. He's from the First Family of wrestling.” Please, no more First Family tonight. They've done enough.” Bret leaves without incident and I'm sure we won't see him again. They shove each other around to start and exchange pokes in the chest. Hogan works on a wristlock before taking Sting down for something like an STF without the legs being tied together. Great. I have to put up with 15 minutes of Hulk Thesz tonight.

Hogan yells at some fans for some reason before driving knees to the ribs in the corner. You can see even more empty seats near the back of the arena and it's hard to argue at this point. Sting actually hits the big jumping elbow drop for two and it's off to the test of strength. Hogan kicks him in the ribs (called a knee by Tony) but Sting no sells a suplex. Oh no he's been watching Sid tapes.

They fight to the floor with Hogan talking about it being for the World Title and choking with a cord. He's definitely wrestling as Hollywood tonight. Back in and a belly to back suplex gets two on Sting and we hit another chinlock. Off to an abdominal stretch as Hogan's dominance continues. Right hands in the corner have Sting in even more trouble and we're just waiting on the interference.

Sting gets two of his own off a cross body and hits two Stinger Splashes but misses the third. It's already Hulk Up time and the big boot clearly doesn't make contact. Cue DDP to nail the referee as the legdrop connects. A Diamond Cutter puts Hogan down and Sting is put on top but Hogan kicks out at two. That's a Diamond Cutter for the referee and another Hulk Up.

Now Hart comes back in to take out Page but Sid comes out as well, only to take the big boot to the shoulder (which he sells more than all of Benoit's offense combined because of course he does). Luger comes in but drops the bat he was carrying, allowing Sting to nail Hogan (drawing the pop of the night), setting up the Deathlock on the unconscious Hogan for the title.

Rating: D. You have to be a really, REALLY stupid company to turn Sting heel but they somehow did it. This wasn't the worst main event ever, but they clearly didn't have any way to make someone lose here so they went with the big mess instead. I can live with that and the match wasn't completely horrible, but again, they're trying to turn Sting heel and as anyone who has watched wrestling for more than 18 seconds can tell you, that is never going to work.

Luger and Sting celebrate as Heenan is thrilled with Hogan getting stabbed in the back to end the show.

Overall Rating: Agoobwa. The level of failure this show hits is beyond words. They have somehow managed to do almost every possible thing wrong on a single show and somehow made it even worse. I'm thinking of the good things on this show and it's a very short list: Kaz vs. Lane was match of the night by about ten miles, Page having weapons on him was a funny bit, and.....someone help me out here. What else was good on this show?

It takes a very special kind of show for me to get mad fifteen years after it aired when I already know the results. Somehow this show did it as it took me all day to make myself sit through this mess. WCW managing to stick around as long as they did is astounding to me as there is no reason to stick around after watching something like this.

This is being written six days after the 2015 Royal Rumble, which made a lot of people say WWE was a disaster. Whenever you get annoyed at WWE, go back and watch some late 1999 WCW and your perspective will change. WWE today is light years ahead of this as you can at least get more than one good match and there's an actual story (albeit somewhat misguided) in the main event. This show consistently goes against every possible thing people could want to see and seems to encourage its veterans to screw up and destroy the future.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is actually worse than Heroes of Wrestling, which aired about a month after this. Yeah Heroes of Wrestling is a disaster, but it's a disaster in a way that you can laugh at it. This show on the other hand felt more cruel than anything else. It felt like they were trying to be as stupid and short sighted as they could while taking the fans' money at the same time. WCW has officially hit rock bottom and things can only get better with Russo. I mean that literally. I cannon imagine things actually getting worse than this.

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  1. The fact that WWE is setting up anyone for the future puts them in front of WCW. WWE isn't WCW until the Shield, Rusev and Wyatt all walk out in the span of a year.

  2. No but those matches were at least consistently entertaining.

  3. Bad as RAW has been lately, it's still not the agonizing my soul is dying inside pain the last two years of WCW was.

  4. Hogan vs. Sting was far more played out that DDP/Goldberg. Before 2000, the only Rock/HHH match that I liked was the ladder match

  5. God, I'm old enough to remember when Hogan/Flair was the "never will happen" dream match. By 1999, seeing those two together just was painful to watch.

  6. I'm not sure why it was so confusing. They had the card announced on TV at least two or three weeks in advance.

  7. If their matches in 1999 were painful, their match in 2000 was excruciating

  8. Let's not forget the best moment where Sting hits Hogan but instead of going heel, the crowd cheers for him as Sting was always WCW's guy while Hogan was...well, Hogan. Great sign how the entire turn was ruined from the start.

  9. In theory true but how bad would it be if the fans either A, left, or B, ripped the match apart? They could have won them back but it would have been a lot harder.

  10. Oh sure. That first feud was with Road Dogg I believe and then Ken Shamrock. If he was still in WCW he probably would have been feuding with Jerry Flynn or someone.

  11. True. The fact we didn't expect such an awesome clash was what helped it work even better. Trying too hard might have marred it. Still amazing that a Rumble so bad could be preceded by a match so fantastic.

  12. And let's not forget the TNA clashes....
    On second thought, let's do.

  13. Still say, Triple Threat had gone AFTER the Rumble, at least the mini-riot reaction wouldn't have been so bad to close the show.

  14. I love in his bios and the recent Monday Night War episode on him, Jericho acknowledges how, after his big arrival, he was pushed down in WWF, seen as a WCW outsider, shoved about the card....and yet he STILL seems to have preferred that treatment to staying in WCW one more day.

  15. I love the ladder match and Backlash 1999 was really good for a spectacle.

  16. I don't know what's crazier: that you torture yourself by watching all these crappy WCW shows or that you write such looooooooooonnnnnnngggggggg reviews of them

  17. Also, yes, the reaction at the Rumble to Bryan eliminated was bad but nowhere near as terrible as WCW ignoring how Flair had YEARS of fan support in the Carolinas but still shoving him downward, that was more mind-bogglingly stupid.

  18. "Whenever you get annoyed at WWE, go back and watch some late 1999 WCW and your perspective will change."

    Exactly. I haven't enjoyed WWE's main product in quite some time, but it's objectively much better than the last few years of WCW, which it is sometimes compared to by folks around these parts.

  19. You left off the genius that the show had been built so bad that the cable company advertisements in newspapers were "We're the advertising agency and they won't even tell us who's going to be there! For God's Sake, don't miss it!"
    And people still wonder how this company went under?

  20. DDP vs. Goldberg wasn't as played out as Rock vs. Triple H was

  21. Yep. If nothing else you occasionally get something like the three way from Royal Rumble every now and then to keep you watching.

  22. It's like a drug. Also the worse the show is, the more I have to talk about.

  23. Oh, man, your reviews of Russo shows are going to be War and Peace.

  24. How about their matches from 2009? Did TNA ever run a Hogan v Flair match?

  25. Glorious end paragraph rant.

  26. Agoobwa! Boy Meets World reference!

  27. Indeed. You're the first person to ever get that.

  28. Much appreciated.

  29. Appropriately enough I had Life Is Beautiful as the last song while I was on the treadmill and it was wrapping up as I read that.

  30. Backlash 2000* is probably the perfect Attitude Era-style match. Either that or Austin/Dude Love.

  31. Now spoilers up of the tapings for eps in March and let's just say, hard to get into some storylines with the results coming.

  32. Extending the drug analogy; so you're at Fall Brawl '99 now. If you're still alive by time you get to Fall Brawl '00, you're the Nikki Sixx of wrestling reviews.

  33. I want them to work, I really do. Trouble is, I can remember several times when I get my hopes up (Aries as champ in 2012) and then they go and ruin it with stupid stuff (Claire Lynch, Aces & Eights, Bully/Brooke in that same year).

  34. Oh I'm sure they will be. Those at least have the potential to make me laugh though.

  35. At least you've wised up and no longer leading reviews with "It can't get much worse than this."

  36. Sting being heel also will never work because Steve Borden still wants to be the same Sting.

    No one is going to get over being a heel by wearing face paint and playing to the crowd.

    But the point was true. Sting was never going to be seen as a heel by hardcore WCW fans over Hogan.

    Hogan was hated from day one. That's why his turn at the Bash was able to work. Hell if you had done it as soon as 1994 it would have worked then too. Fans wanted to cheer Flair then.

  37. People can say what they want about Cena, but when it comes to the big matches 9 out of 10 times he brings his work boots.

  38. Seriously, you think UMAGA was the one carrying their feud?
    Plus, see how well he handled the massive booing Philly had for him, not letting it get to him and even playing into it. The guy knows how to work a crowd no matter what, a key reason he remains so huge a star.

  39. I loved what Austin said about him on his podcast once.

    Austin: "Yeah he's had bad matches. Everyone has had a few."

    Caller: "But Cena has a ton. What about his horrible matches with Kane and Big Show?"

    Austin: "Alright. Name someone else he has bad matches with. Because two opponents out of the dozens he's fought sounds pretty good to me."

    Caller: *silence*

  40. But what was even MORE like a drug, was the drugs.

  41. Drink a beer for the working man, Steve.

  42. He also carried Khali to a respectable match.

  43. I'll still take Hogan-Sting here over their Starrcade match.

  44. Absolutely.

  45. If Spring Stampede is the best WCW PPV of 1999, what is the second best?

  46. "WCW has officially hit rock bottom and things can only get
    better with Russo. I mean that literally. I cannon imagine things
    actually getting worse than this."

    Famous last words....

  47. ......




  48. If they had anywhere to go, they would

  49. Spring Stampede is not just the best of 99 but one of the best WCW ppvs ever. Nothing else in 99 is close.

  50. I recall Supebrawl IX and Slamboree being solid pay per views, for the time.

  51. That was my reaction

  52. Wish they would have had the Sting-Hogan rematch at Halloween Havoc, Sting-Bret at Mayhem, then Sting-Go look dberg at Starrcade.

  53. Not that I know of

  54. Yeah, at least then he was feuding with some guys who had been booked pretty well in the last year instead of job city.

  55. I agree it's just a great show regardless of the promotion. Everyone seemed to be trying that night. We even got a good Sandman match.

  56. It's one of my all-time favourites, any promotion. Just endless great matches. When even Nash/Goldberg somehow hits ***, you're watching something special.

  57. I really enjoyed at the time how Sting went heel and just became more popular. That always made me laugh.

    Great review, as always. I'm giddy about your reviews of the 2000 stuff.

    BTW - I'd still take this over current WCW because I'm entertained by dumpster fires. I'm a bit of an outlier in that respect, though.

  58. He was useless.

  59. Scott seemingly hated that show, here is a link to his review from 2013

  60. Seems that may be the least hated show after looking up some reviews.

  61. Duggan is one of the biggest pricks in the industry. But he seems to get a free pass from the fans.

  62. Wasn't Flair hurt at this point?

  63. I liked the heel turn, especially since it was against Hogan. It gave Sting the badass edge he never had and why should anyone sympathize with Hogan?

  64. Not having a Wargames match on this show was the first mistake...

  65. I've never cared about him long enough to have an opinion either way.

  66. that's where it pays off that there roster is really strong in terms of talent (although often frustrating for the same reason because the WWE doesn't utilize it enough): the average workrate is pretty high compared to a lot of stuff other companies and the WWE itself have presented us in the past.

  67. I got to meet him at Axxess last year and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Maybe he mellowed in retirement.

  68. Much appreciated.

  69. A recurring thing I hear from guys who do radio shows is how the workers they admire the most and want to have on turn out to be total pricks while the guys with the terrible reputations are the most well-turned out and friendly guests.

  70. It was. I watched it last night, and the moment when he sent Magnus down the dead end was great. For me, the best thing on the show by far.


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