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DBSM’s Live WM Report

“Live” as in “back home four hours after the show has ended”

Hey, Scott, this is BonzaiDBSM somewhat fresh from WM31. I figured I’d throw in some observations from being in the Wrestlemania crowd if you’d be so kind to post them; why listen to random Meltzer crap on the BoD Daily Update about how the crowd was when you have a top-5 BoD commentator, a BoD C-List Champion and three-time BoD fantasy sports champion right in the thick of it?

This was my fifth PPV and second Mania (the other being 21, 10 years ago), but my first stadium show. They couldn’t have picked a better day for it, it was about 70 degrees all day even the sun right on us. It also made for a cool spectacle to have most of the show drenched in sunlight WM9-style (although some entrances suffered for it), only darkening for the main event. Sounds weird to say, but I wish I had brought sunscreen for Mania. My sis bought me the ticket as a Christmas present and got me a decent middle-pavilion seat. Although I was directly facing one of the ring support pillars, they at least had the foresight to make them semi-transparent; while the action got obscured a bit at times, it could’ve been worse (I imagine it was the first few years they did it), but I hope in the future they figure out a way to not block people’s views.

I don’t know if it was a kickback from the Reddit stuff about security removing the dressed-up fans a few weeks ago or the usual enthusiastic Mania goers, but you could barely walk a few feet without seeing someone dressed up head to toe as a wrestler (even CM Punks!). In the row in front of me, there was a group of folks who were dressed as Daniel Bryan (complete with homemade Bryan trunks and shin guards), Bray Wyatt (with natural long hair and beard to match), Taker, a girl dressed as Paige (with fishnets!), and the clear winner, LANA, with blonde bun and red skirt-suit. Fans and little kids were posing with them throughout the day, and it was such a cool sight to see that I hope Kevin Dunn loses a lot of sleep over it.

Also got a ton of compliments on my Finn Balor shirt from folks sporting NXT shirts themselves (and nearly every major player there was covered by somebody in the vicinity). NXT really feels like this weird “secret handshake” among fans now, which is friggin' neat.

Pre-game stuff were fun clusterfucks that got the crowd nice and riled up; Nattie’s sharpshooter got a bigger pop than most of the male combatants got. Mizdow easily had one of the biggest reactions of the night finally turning on Miz, but of course, WWE can’t let us have too much of a good thing and not enough of a bad thing, and you could feel the air go out of the place when fucking Big Show won. What is it about frying pan hands that gives Vince such a stiffy for this guy? Not that an ARMBAR win would’ve helped Sandow anyway; just ask Cesaro how that worked out for him. 

Crowd favorite in the IC match was clearly Bryan, but it did seem a little muted than when I was at Summerslam 2013 (could've just been the stadium space too). Ziggler and Ambrose are still big fan favorites despite WWE saddling them with dumb shit, and crowd went dead silent for Luke Harper’s entrance; I don’t still get why they split off him and Rowan from Bray, as they both have zero heat without him. Crowd loved Ambrose being dumped into the splitting ladder and the Bryan/Ziggler finish; hopefully they may actually do something worthwhile with this run.

Crowd was a bit torn with the Orton/Rollins, they kinda wanted to cheer for both guys (only J&J got a lion’s share of heel heat) and wound up hesitant backing either. Didn’t really pick up noise-wise till the finish, but the Curb Stomp to RKO reversal got everyone into a tizzy. As someone who was also at 21, I feel like I can lay claim to seeing the two best RKO reversals ever with that and the chokeslam reversal 10 years ago, although someone can vouch for the Shooting StaRKO on Bourne a few years ago.

Say what you want about the Sting/HHH match having little significance or the silly brand synergy for the Terminator entrance, but the place was definitely going apeshit for this from jump street. DX got one of the bigger pops of the night, but nWo blew that away because no one really expected THAT. It was a good way to overbook it to mask the limited capability of this matchup and the fan pandering worked (even I was going nuts seeing DX square off against the nWo). Crowd was kinda stunned HHH won; it definitely seemed like Sting was going over when he broke the sledgehammer, but the crowd at least didn’t rebel against the finish. I hate that Sting/HHH handshake in hindsight; if HHH was going to heel up later in the Authority segment, then don’t fucking try to get the respectful pop here. It harkens back to the revolving door HHH stuff pre-WMXXX and it’s dumb; commit to being the bad guy if that’s what you’re doing. As insufferable as Stephanie can be in her role, at least she stays in that zone, but HHH wants the cake and eat it too. 

I bet the 30-minute stretch of concert-Divas-HoF was death at home, but I will actually defend it. With the recent WM strategy of quality over quantity on the card, there are hardly any blows for the crowd to go to the pisser or grab food, so this stretch was very welcome. I was able to put some charge in my phone (seriously, phone charging stations should be mandatory at all arenas), go to the urinal, grab some more food and got back just in time for Rusev’s entrance. It must have been hard sitting through it if you’re at home, but I liked that they stacked it for the people in attendance; it was like a super-sized hockey intermission, and I think I prefer that over doling out smaller breaks throughout the show. Crowd was definitely dead as a doornail for the Diva match; if they’re serious about Hashtag Give Divas A Chance, they need to start by cutting bait with the Bellas and start bringing up the girls from Full Sail who know how to pop a crowd with ring work. 

For Rusev/Cena, crowd started about 75/25 in Rusev’s favor; it felt like they cranked up Cena’s theme a little louder than the others, and it needed to to drown out the giant JOHN CENA SUUUUCKS chant set to his theme. To his credit, he was able to swing the crowd heavily in his favor by the end (around the time of that nifty little springboard Stunner), even though it kinda felt like the crowd was saying “the only thing we hate more than Cena is Russians beating Americans.” Still, it was probably nice for Cena to get a win and get the hero treatment from the crowd.

While the pre-show panel was recapping some of the earlier events, Triple H and Steph came to the ring. The crowd gave a Triple H a solid NXT chant (and gave Itami a nice HI-DE-O chant earlier in the royale); even though he was about to heel it up, that had to be a feather in his cap. Steph and HHH did their usual Main Event Promo thing but everyone knew someone was coming because a cameraman was perched on the ramp the whole time facing the entrance, so everyone could smell (heh) something was coming. Rock easily had the best pop of the night, truly nuclear stuff (I have a feeling the Bray/Taker video package got audibled out because of how long Rocky soaked up the cheers, pushing them to 7:10 local time). I was marking out like mad because I'd never seen him live before and now have completed my wrestling Mount Rushmore by having seen Hogan, Austin, Flair, and Rock in the ring, in person, albeit with only Flair wrestling and that was in 2002. Ronda also got a mega pop of her own, and whenever she wants to stop killing bitches dead and snapping arms like twigs, she could easily come be the female Brock in WWE if the NXT ladies are populating the main roster down the road. As you mentioned in the rant, Rock and Ronda’s pops easily dwarfed most of the roster’s, although the crowd did boo that Ronda didn’t really do much to Steph. She couldn’t fake a Kimura for us? Come on, someone — whether if it was WWE’s or UFC’s call — let us down on that.

Bray and Taker easily were dud of the night if we’re discounting the Diva match. Here’s where the daylight atmosphere really killed them; both entrances need a darkened arena and effects-laden lighting, but in the daytime, you can’t see the cell phone “fireflies” and the zombie scarecrows just looked silly, and Taker lacked a certain je ne sais quoi in the sun, kinda like Batman. I don’t know if the crowd was burned out from the Rocky/Ronda segment, if Taker has no pull with the crowd post-Streak, or if the crowd just didn’t care for this feud (likely a combination of all three), but the crowd flatlined for this. The usual Taker spots and near-falls didn’t get a rise out of anyone; the pre-show stuff with half the stands full got a bigger response. The crowd came alive a bit at the Crab Walk/Sit-Up spot and finally popped for the final Tombstone, but this was a clear sign that they’ll need to figure out something special next year for Mean Mark if they’re gonna use him. It’s pretty telling that an eight-year-old kid in my section said aloud, “If Undertaker wins, this should be his last match.” It was kinda stunning how little the crowd was into it, even during the entrances; it didn’t help that the match just felt like a WWE video game Story Mode match with objectives (“Hit Old School” “Tombstone Bray twice”) with no real psychological flow. 

There was no mistaking who was heel and who was face in the main event (hint: it wasn’t what WWE wanted). To Roman’s credit, the little fan support he did have, man, they really supported him to a fervent degree. It was almost like an affront to them that someone could boo Roman, but boo they did. The Brock match formula is still golden; suplex guys dead and let the crowd revel in the destruction. Counting the suplexes was fun for everyone, but I think alcohol was taking control because people in my section started adding on two or three more out of thin air like a week in Goldberg’s undefeated streak. They made a fantastic call in sending Rollins out there; I think everyone knew a cash-in was coming, but feared Roman would still get a moment in the sun a la Bryan at Summerslam 2013, so props to whoever decided to send Rollins out there before the match was decided. He came out to 100% crowd approval before the cash-in and after the win; WWE couldn’t script a better way to finish it if they wanted to end the show with crowd support but the title off Brock. Post-signoff, Seth posed with the belt for minutes; Brock stared off in a dazed “WTF just happened” manner, but Roman looked like he was tearing up, like “Maria Menounous trying to finish her Backlund speech amidst the booing” tearing up — could they make this guy any more of a puss? He got booed on his way back up the stage too.

All in all, for the second straight year, a bad product didn’t stop them from putting on a hell of a WrestleMania, and this one is more impressive - maybe not better, but more impressive — considering the lowered expectations and given it didn’t have the Bryan story of last year. Despite all the shitty builds, the crowd was hot for pretty much everything sans the Divas and Taker match, and I think WWE can all pat themselves on the back here for delivering the goods. It is worth noting most of the biggest pops of the night went to part-timers and no-timers; with a bigger stadium slated for next year, expect a heavier dose of it as long as they're not interested in putting any of their current guys on that level. That said, Bryan, Cena, and encouragingly Rollins still have a lot of crowd support on the main event stage, Ambrose, Ziggler, and Sandow are still very over, and Reigns can still be salvaged, so hopefully they give these guys the ball in the next 12 months. I also dug that the crowd was really into enjoying the show, I never got the sense that they would turn on anything Rumble-style except for a possible Roman win, and WWE deftly dodged that. Everyone was pretty much smiling and chanting (lots of ROLLINS chants on the way out) going home, and that’s how it should be leaving WrestleMania. All in all, I had a fucking blast and hopefully you folks at home did too.

Comments

  1. Crowd noise came across much better for Taker/Wyatt on TV than it must have in the arena. They were lively despite the slower pace.

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  2. Aww, they even booed Reigns as he walked out? Great report, Bonzai! It was a great show at home too.

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  3. I know the match was nothing better than average-pretty good, but was anyone else pleasantly surprsied and kind of relieved to see Undertaker look as good as he did? How he looked last night is how I'd want to remember him, not the version we saw a year ago.

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  4. "It harkens back to the revolving door HHH stuff pre-WMXXX and it’s dumb"


    For all of Hunter's "THIS BUSINESS" stuff, he doesn't seem to grasp the fact that he needs to BE a heel 24/7. I'm tied of these "Hunter the COO is EVIL, but Hunter and Stephanie are respectful human beings in real life!" moments creeping into the TV program.

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  5. I was rooting for Bray to win but I was happy with how Undertaker looked. In solid shape and moved okay. I may have undersold the effect that concussion had on him last year.

    I enjoyed it. Wasn't a good match but it entertained me and that's what I wanted.

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  6. Pretty pumped for RAW tonight.

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  7. What arena is Raw in tonight?

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  8. Bayless, you missed the biggest news of last night.

    THE IMMORTAL HULK HOGAN, looking like a man half his age, got physically involved in a WWE match. Talk about Ronda Rousey and Seth Rollins all you want, but this was the true show-stealing, money-making performance.

    Triple H should be given credit for allowing Hogan to appear in the match. There was a very real chance that the crowd would've became 100% focused on Hogan's big return, being that he's the biggest WrestleMania icon of all time.

    It was GENIUS booking to whet the appetite of fans for an eventual Hogan return match, the one that's really going to boost Network numbers and make WWE a household name again.

    What a great day to be a pro wrestling fan!

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  9. Oh nice, my only live event ever was in that arena.

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  10. Big props to Kevin Nash selling his quad. I'll foolishly choose to believe that was a nod to smarks.

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  11. https://i.imgur.com/2REXCQz.gif

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  12. Ciampa is gone from ROH.

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  13. I love how Triple H became "The Icon" of WWE simply because Steve Austin and The Rock found better things to do with their time than wrestle into their mid-40s.

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  14. Way to go Sting putting over that up and comer HHH in his last match

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  15. I've had a night of sleep to think about it, and it wasn't a BAD Mania, but I agree with everyone saying there was nothing memorable. Sting/HHH was particularly cringeworthy, especially the lame nWo vs DX "showdown." Main event was fun though and probably saved the show.

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  16. No one is righteous - not even one.

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  17. So Triple H buries Steve Austin on the mic tonight in the opening segment?

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  18. Austin leaving also had a little bit to do with his body breaking down on him.

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  19. "WE'RE GOING WITH ROMAN REIGNS YEAH! I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY WANT DAMMIT!!!" "Daddy...please reconsider. If you do I promise to get Hunter to wear the Terminator outfit you paid so much money for." ".....Alright. Only for you my dear. I'll rewrite the finish. Shelton! Get me my coffee! We're planning a strategy session!"

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  20. Yeah. I think that concussion really knocked the hell out of him. He probably didn't have as many minor nagging injuries hanging around this time either - I think this was his first year off without any surgeries or anything like that.

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  21. I love how the WWE just realized hours before the show that having Reigns win the title too soon would be bad. WHY DIDN'T YOU THINK OF THAT MONTHS AGO!?!?!?!

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  22. Wonder if Vince/Hunter ended up annoyed at how pointed Austin's questions were on their respective podcasts. He did make both of them look pretty foolish, especially Vince.

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  23. Just added that to the update. Thanks.

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  24. Hopefully we're getting another title reign for Abeyance tonight, due to the in-match cash-in

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  25. I hope that is it for Sting. He came in, got a great reception gave a fun performance and got a standing ovation.

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  26. Reigns can now have a proper build-up and someone whom kayfabe-wise he has a long history with. This is how they should have done it in the first place. Rollins-Reigns at Summerslam in Brooklyn will do just fine.

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  27. No prob. Where could he be headed?

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  28. He never really clicked for me.

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  29. I guess it's kinda cool that I'll be seeing his final ROH show live. Never saw the hype in him though. He'd be Tazz 2 in WWE.

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  30. He was actually in OVW under a WWE Developmental Deal about 10 years ago. Its probably the end for him. Maybe EVOLVE or House of Hardcore shows?

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  31. So did Sting lose that night just so Vince could bury WCW once and for all? I mean, it's literally the only booking from last night that didn't make sense to me.

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  32. I wonder who Rollins' first challenger will be. Orton, Lesnar, and Reigns all make sense. Doubt it'll be Reigns since they don't wanna rush the title onto him. Could be Lesnar. He works Extreme Rules usually. Could be Orton since he beat Rollins and they have unresolved issues.

    Hell, they could dig Ambrose up from whatever alley he's sleeping in and have him challenge.

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  33. I think Orton.

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  34. I'm gonna say Orton too, unless Brock shows up and pie faces Stephanie and put HHH in a kumura to get his rematch at Extreme Rules

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  35. Best part of Rollins having the title = world title matches every month!

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  36. The Reigns Train now aimed at Summerslam!

    "Where we're going, we don't need Fastlanes"

    CHOO-CHOO!

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  37. Just want to say that Mania was the tits this year. Even watched the replay last night.

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  38. The big question is whether Rollins will be slotted into the main event or whether US CHAMP CENA is headlining that pay-per-view against Rusev.

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  39. I'm down with that. Their match was really good and that finish was classic. Have Rollins use his sway and make the Extreme Stipulation ban the RKO.

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  40. I dunno about Sting vs Undertaker. Apart from the combined age of like 152, neither are a great promo on their own, so they'd be relying on the 'dream match' aspect for a lot of the build

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  41. Yes. Sting beating HHH would be a symbolic victory for WCW over WWE and prove once and for all that WCW was superior to the WWE. #wwelogic

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  42. Plus, Rollins first feud should be against someone he beats and Orton fits that bill. He also beat Rollins yesterday so its easy to continue this for several more weeks.

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  43. Come on. BIg Show will say he won the ARMBAR and deserves the first title shot. THE AUTHORITY EXPLODES

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  44. I'm known to use excellent Half and Half

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  45. I am, you pasty-faced nerd!

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  46. Orton. He STILL hasn't gotten his rematch from losing the title!

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  47. I'll give Sting this ... at least the build was good. This just proves he was right to stay away from this company for a decade after WCW closed. If he had come over in the Invasion he probably would have been jobbing to Matt Morgan at WM19

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  48. I think the spectacle would be the draw. HOWEVER, if they really want that for WM 32 they should've had Sting win because you know if he wrestles the Undertaker at 32 that he loses again.

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  49. I didn't really get the end of HHH/Sting. They shake hands like HHH is turning babyface then go full on heel again later in the show.

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  50. I've already watched that main event 3 times. Amazing. I enjoyed all the matches(even the Divas). I would make small changes like cutting the concert and giving more time to the Ladder Match and Rollins/Orton but those are nitpicks. Awesome, enjoyable, entertaining, fantastic show.

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  51. A freshly turned Big Show

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  52. Biff Kensington Has a PosseMarch 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM

    Nah, dude. Instead of earmarking him to be ready by THIS DATE, let him develop with the fans and wait til he's ready. If he's clicking by August, go for it. If not, steer Creative appropriately so you're not having to abandon ship at the eleventh hour.

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  53. My Facebook feed sprouted a bunch of revisiting fans who haven't watched in 15 years. Something was in the air, last night. Great that that WWE capitalized on it ten-fold.

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  54. Biggest nitpick of last night:

    Not enough of Stardust freaking out over his awesome ladder.

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  55. did you see Brie's top rope dropkick? The gals can go, they just aren't allowed to. I'm hoping there is some symbolism in Madusa returning the women's title and they do in fact give these girls some time to work with.

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  56. Can't wait to see the big grin on Rollins' face when he comes to the ring tonight with the title.

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  57. He's a worker...try every week!!!

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  58. This year's WrestleMania has already become the trivia answer to the question "Worst Build for a Great Mania"

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  59. so choking in his first wm main event will help on long term? Reigns is done, folks. he's pretty much in-salvageable right now. so i guess Scott Keith and million others got their wish.

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  60. sure ... my personal idea is he should be obsessed with Lesnar, have him talk about how he had him beat and he needs to prove he can beat him and build that up.

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  61. Lol. No he's not.

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  62. Cena vs Orton,one more timeMarch 30, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    Wasn't Ciampa supposed to be a hot prospect for ROH?

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  63. I don't think they're planning that far ahead. I'm sure they'll want both of them on the card but maybe not necessarily in the same match.

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  64. I know! They could at least have him set it up in the ring!

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  65. Vince and Austin are at odds again? Doesn't that happen weekly?

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  66. in-salvageable you say

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  67. not even close ... from all the feedback I've seen and even the fans there Reigns's story of getting his ass kicked and coming back for more was working. They did it right, he should be better off than he was coming in.

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  68. Did he really choke? He took a massive ass beating but by the end had Lesnar rocked and reeling. He weathered the storm and had Brock on the ropes. And then that slimy rat fuck cashed in MITB and stole it from him. That story was clear as day.

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  69. Reigns is not winning any titles soon. He's back to midcard just as i predicted. The fans have got what they wanted for 2nd year in succession.

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  70. Vince hates it when guys figure out how to make money away from him.

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  71. Biff Kensington Has a PosseMarch 30, 2015 at 7:21 AM

    He didn't really have him beat (Lesnar just laid him out with an F5), but it's not a bad storyline.

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  72. Oh no! The fans got what they wanted! :(

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  73. Man, the world title belt itself sure looked dull last night after Rollins won. Get some gold and glitter on that thing!

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  74. Not sure how kicking out of more F5s than the Undertaker or Cena = unsalvageable.

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  75. On the one hand it's hilarious that Barrett broke it immediately.

    On the other hand he should have celebrated owning an awesome ladder for more before it was broken.

    Excited Stardust=Gold

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  76. the problem with Regins's build was babyface's chasing the belt, you have to give us a reason to care. They did that great with Bryan last year, but we had no real reason why Reigns was after Lesnar other than he won the Rumble. There has to be something else there ... if Lesnar becomes Reigns's white whale, so to speak, it could finally give him some depth.

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  77. Maybe Vince asked Austin to work next year's show and Steve told him no?

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  78. And penises for sideplates.

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  79. He would've been added to the Booker T/Triple H match and Triple H would've still won.

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  80. That main event was so well booked I was dying for Reigns to finally hit the final spear and beat Brock. THATS great booking. And made me want Seth's head on a platter for sneaking in when Reigns FINALLY got Brock down. I don't know where this booking was for the build to the show but I'm glad it finally showed up.

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  81. HowmuchdoesthisguyweighMarch 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM

    Rewatching parts. HHH got that bruise from the Screen apron.. Slid down it after taking his over the top bump

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  82. choked. he didn't pin Lesnar after finisher spam and lost to single move. Reigns will forever be known as big game choker (remember he also didn't win the title at four way match at battleground) and Rollins' personal bitch.

    slimy rat? Rollins was cheered as hell and the man who supposed to be taking an asskicking as a sympathetic babyface was getting booed out of building.

    Vince might be pushing him, but he's also extremely ruthless when it comes to chuck out pushes from his favorites (Kennedy, Lashley, Luger) if the crowd don't give a shit

    Reigns is done

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  83. Gloating champion Seth is going to be AWESOME tonight

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  84. Goddamn he's gonna be insufferable in the greatest way possible.i could see Brock, Roman and Orton all storming to the ring ready to massacre him.

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  85. how do you explain the massive cheers for Rollins and boos for Reigns. it didn't work. Reigns will probably facing Slater and Titus O Neill at next ppv, where he will booed too since it's in Chicago

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  86. You expected something else to happen?

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  87. PWInsider reports Vince finally figured out what everyone has been saying for months.

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  88. yes. he choked. fans not going to get behind a loser

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  89. It didn't sound like that to me ... as the match went out the fans were starting to get behind Reigns.

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  90. I picture him like the Hardcore champion, always looking over his shoulder everywhere he goes.

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  91. I hope Steph introduces him.

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  92. yes. he is done. watch for tomorrow's raw where commentators put him strong for his performances while the crowd boo him out of building and later chant we are awesome and we made it happen.

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  93. Undertaker 48, Reigns 29. Go figure

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  94. Biff Kensington Has a PosseMarch 30, 2015 at 7:28 AM

    I don't get this 'Roman had Brock beat!' talk at all. Brock laid him out with an F5 before Rollins came down. Beyond that, every problem he had going in is still apparent. There was no sympathy heat last night at the end; if anything the crowd got MORE venemous.

    I understand the sentiment the morning after, but realistically you can see in a second viewing that Brock led Roman just like Bryan did in Memphis. Give him credit for taking an ass-whipping, yes. But this 'Roman is Redeemed!' talk needs to stop.

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  95. Yes, Vince is TOTALLY listening to Smarkpacalypse 2015 when he makes his decisions months from now.

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  96. Haven't even fawned over the great finish to the Ladder Match. Headbutt war between Dolph and Bryan was intense.

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  97. you're sure you were behind him? i'm sure 76k people at the stadium, Scott Keith and millions other at home ready to murder Reigns had he won the match

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  98. Biff Kensington Has a PosseMarch 30, 2015 at 7:30 AM

    I'm almost as excited for Seth as I was for Bryan last year.

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  99. I give Vince credit for changing his mind about Reigns, even if it was last minute. The whole show was fun too.

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  100. Can't we just enjoy something without being overly critical? Reigns hit Lesnar with about 4 Superman punches and multiple spears and got a couple very nearfalls. I'd say about 95% of viewers in the crowd and watching it on PPV/Network thought that it was over after that spear. If anything, I'd say that Reigns will start being cheered a bit now at least because he's had some pretty stellar singles matches over the last few months.

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  101. So you're saying it was Gold by Stardust, or shortened to Golddust?

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  102. You're trying to hard.

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  103. The Rollins cash-in just kind of seemed like a cop out to me.

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  104. not sure what match you were watching. he didn't even have 1% support he atleast has on raw occasionally. he's going to be massacred at raw tonight. if he doesn't turn heel, his wwe career is done

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