Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM
Still regarding Daniel Bryan, he's very young and has years of career ahead of him. A lot of people doubted he'd make it as far as he has done in the WWE, because he had no charisma and not the size they searched, but he did manage to find charisma inside him and, eventually, became champion. Do you think he'll, eventually, "go higher on the ladder" or is this as far as he's gonna go?
Hey Scott, hope all is well, I've got 3 topics that I'd like to pick your brains about!
OK, but hopefully there's nothing terribly dated here.
1) Recently, I've been hearing rumours about how Mark Henry and/or Kane were offered the to break The Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania, but both refused. What do you know about this rumours? Forgetting now Henry and Kane, has there ever been serious thought given into breaking the Undertaker's Streak? Has Undertaker - as far as you know - shown interest into breaking the streak for someone?
I'm pretty sure he's never going to have the streak broken. I mean, that might mean Wrestlemania would actually LOSE money the following year! That's just madness. Never gonna happen.
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) I get that Daniel Bryan isn't the size WWE looks for, so they don't really care if they put him through a 18 second match at Wrestlemania, but - in your point of view - have tried to bury him and squash the fire that started on Wrestlemania 28, with him? Because, he was on fire with the fans, after that Wrestlemania and now the reactions are lukewarm. Do you think/know that was on purpose, or WWE just got caught up with all things that were going on in and "forgot" about him? Still regarding Daniel Bryan, he's very young and has years of career ahead of him. A lot of people doubted he'd make it as far as he has done in the WWE, because he had no charisma and not the size they searched, but he did manage to find charisma inside him and, eventually, became champion. Do you think he'll, eventually, "go higher on the ladder" or is this as far as he's gonna go?
I feel like he might ending up headlining a Wrestlemania and doing pretty good for himself, but then will end his own career with reckless high flying due to a concussion after suffering a previous neck injury. I could wrong on that, however, that's just a vague guess.
Question for 2020 Scott: Did the unlikely rise of New Greece necessitate Vince's unusual decision to promote Zombie Chris Benoit to the main event of Wrestlemania XXX5, or was that the plan all along?
ReplyDeleteHey Scott - do you think we will ever see Sting in a WWE ring? Also - who do you think they will break up first in the far future - Shield or Wyatts? And any chance we will ever see Kevin Steen in a WWE ring?
ReplyDeleteKane beating Undertaker at WrestleMania XIV before the streak was THE STREAK made a lot of sense to me at the time. It would have made Kane a monster. But by WMXX Kane winning would have made no sense, and Henry winning at Mania 22 would have made even less sense.
ReplyDeleteIndestructible Kane was awesome
ReplyDeleteLOL, these are amazing. This is like a Scott Sez but even better!!!
ReplyDeleteAll I know is that Scott Keith from 2013 must be carrying around a copy of Gray's Pro Wrestling Alamanac because his predictions are DEAD ON!!
ReplyDeleteAgreed. They should have kept him that way.
ReplyDeleteAnd I actually loved that WM14 match (as plodding as it was). I remember Scott being not so kind to it in his rant.
They were really keen on getting Henry over as a monster for some reason, so I could see them going with him ending the Streak at the time. The Streak was more of a fun fact at the time and not something they sold Wrestlemania on.
ReplyDeleteScott, what's the deal with Nikoli Vilkoff returning to the WWF? I surely hope he's not being influenced by that dastardly Ted DiBiase. Money is the root of all that kills, unless you're Art from Everclear.
ReplyDeleteI swear if they let Kane or Mark Henry break UT's streak then I'm going to give up on this crap for good
ReplyDeleteFunny thing is I seem to remember Kane having Undertaker beat cleanly at Wrestlemania 14, but he lifted him up off the mat before the three count so that he could punish him some more.
ReplyDeleteWatching it live as a teenager, I was marking out every time Kane kicked out of a tombstone and it was my favorite match of the night.
ReplyDeleteThat whole build was great.
ReplyDeleteand then he jobbed clean to a single stunner on Raw 3 months later.
ReplyDeleteThis was my literal reaction while reading this post...
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Ha ha you said DEAD and Scott was answering questions about the Undertaker and D Bryans career. Good one.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the omited third topic?
ReplyDeleteScott - What's your take on the latest NWA title controversy? Should it only be defended in 2/3 fall matches, or is one fall acceptable if Thesz and Rogers both agreed to it? Does Buddy still have a valid claim to the championship, or should he bolt to a rival federation?
ReplyDeleteProbably something about Cena turning heel on the last episode of TNA/simulcast with Raw when he looks into a mirror and says "Chris Benoit" three times
ReplyDeleteI think we should all let these things play out and see where they go.
ReplyDeleteYou obviously mean Wrestlemania Frowny Face. After Wrestlemania Nike Symbol flopped in 2018, Vince decreed in his will that all future Wrestlemanias will use emotes in place of numbers.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry. Sting just signed with WWE and they're about to air 2/21/11 vignettes next week!
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If we could make it so that all of the matches in 2001 never happened, is Steve Austin still able to wrestle today?
ReplyDeleteI doubt it; it wasn't 2001 that did him in I don't think, so much as it was the original neck injury culminating in his eventual retirement.
ReplyDeleteCMON KEITH! YOU'RE GONNA BLAME WM 31 LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF THE STREAK FINISHING? GET REAL, PAL!
ReplyDeleteKane was the most likely candidate to ever beat Undertaker at WM. The others in order of likelihood would be Orton (legend killer gimmick, beating UT played right into it), Giant Gonzalez (by countout to further feud or something, plus this was only his third WM), Edge or Batista. I doubt it was ever even discussed to have Michaels, HHH, or Punk beat him. No one else makes sense and I find the Henry rumors nonsensical. Yeah they were trying to get him over as a monster, but come on....its Mark Henry. It's the UT. It's simple math.
ReplyDeleteThis would've been another good scenario.
ReplyDeleteHeel Luger winning at GAB, Sting chasing the belt, gets revenge and the belt back at Starrcade?
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to Wrestlemania Smiling Pile of Poo.
ReplyDeleteNo, because its still 14 years later. 2001 was Steve Austin's best year, which is strange because he hated it so much. He was such an awesome cowardly psychotic huggy-monster heel.
ReplyDeleteI also am wondering who will end the Undertaker's 1-0 winning streak
ReplyDeleteI'm happy on my island being the only person happy TEH STREAK!!!!1!!!!111!!!!!(tm) died. I like it here.
ReplyDeleteScott, with TNA making such a huge resurgence in quality this year, except for the stupidity that is Claire Lynch, do you think they've finally learned their lesson, and can now FINALLY look forward to great things?
ReplyDeleteI thought that was WM 9?
ReplyDeleteThat fat guy? Never happen.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it about time that the Flying Headbutt basically never be used again? I think I would be totally okay with never seeing it once more.
ReplyDeleteI get it, because the questions are old.
ReplyDeleteYou're a quick one!
ReplyDeletePLEASE. A group as big as the NWA could never fail. These upstart companies are just minor regional rivals- they couldn't possibly threaten all of the various groups within the NWA.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I will always believe that Kane should have won that match to cement him as a monster. Instead, Taker just beat him clean after a hard-fought bout. I GUESS it paid off a storyline involving Bearer & Kane torturing Taker and setting him on fire and stuff, but still.
ReplyDeleteScott hated pretty much every Undertaker match ever until Taker started wrestling Kurt Angle and stopped being dragged through the mud in Meltzer's sheet about holding guys down.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I remember Taker getting Triple-H levels of hate from the fandom. Scott's infamous "retire NOW you worn-out, etc. etc. etc. piece of SHIT!" rant alone...
Man, if Jake hits Undertaker with the DDT, it's over!
ReplyDeletehi why did nwa tna let bob cat go
ReplyDeleteI always thought that beeing in a match with taker at WM is sometimes worth more than beating him. And they wasted 4 Wrestlemanias with HBK and HHH as oponnents while they could have pushed other new stars instead of giving the old part timers the spot.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if I want Sting to break the streak either.
ReplyDeleteI don't remember hearing them talk about the streak until WM 17 or 18 when it became a subplot to his matches. Now it's just see if old ass Taker can still go in his yearly match.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't mad. Plus he really was looking really old and bad last year and I found it hard to suspend disbelief that he could kick Brock's ass.
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ReplyDeleteNot really sure what difference it would've made in the long run to be honest. Once Luger flopped as baby face champ the belt would've been back on Flair within 6 - 8 months anyway. Just like it always was.
ReplyDeleteLuger as champ would've run into exactly the same problems that Sting did: a lack of viable challengers and the lack of a credible program to cement his status as the new top guy. Besides which, the thrill was always in the chase. Luger was super over but he didn't have the charisma to carry it on top. He was always better as a heel anyway.
That works. Sting & Sid (turn him face after the Bash) vs. Luger & Flair at Havoc
ReplyDeletePlus Magnum looking for revenge against Nikita from the Best of Seven Series, the Horsemen trying to take out Magnum.... Things may go differently for JCP. If Magnum doesn't get hurt and they don't buy the UWF and blow money (planes for an hour car ride!?!?) and they stay away from the west coast, they would have been fine.
ReplyDeleteWhen's Glacier supposed to debut?
ReplyDeleteI don't know. I figured by then everything would be owned by Apple, Google and Disney.
ReplyDeleteSo we have to go back and kill Owen two years earlier.
ReplyDeleteLex beats Flair on March 23, Flair regains the title at Capital Combat, building to Flair vs. Sting at the Bash.
ReplyDeleteThis should be a new BoD gimmick.
ReplyDeleteWe got something like 18 stars out of those 4 matches... and the guys in them made the matches more interesting.
ReplyDeleteThe Sting/Luger SuperBrawl II PPV did a .96, which did a worse number than the Starrcade '91: Battlebowl PPV (1.0). Perhaps WCW should have went with Sting vs. Luger at Starrcade, then had the rematch (Luger's Career vs. Sting's Title) at SuperBrawl II?
ReplyDeleteI'll do it, IF. You let me stick my dick in your ear
ReplyDeleteSure, uh...HartKiller.
ReplyDeleteWrestlemania Mickey Mouse Ears is scheduled for 2017, in Orlando. It's... surprisingly good.
ReplyDeleteWhat about bobcat?
ReplyDeleteI've said it before and I'll say it again...the NWA tag team division was absolutely STACKED in '89-'90.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the real problem, imo, is the NWA still booked their national promotion like a regional one. DQ finishes in major main events, a heel on top for years, feuds that don't have definitive blowoffs, the ever-present "Dusty finish." A face champion in the 80s would have been a good start, but there were so many problems there that a face champion alone wouldn't have solved them.
ReplyDeleteIf Flair would have jumped in '88 or '89, it may have been best for all involved, except for Jim & David Crockett I suppose, as apparently having Flair on board was a condition of the sale.
I think it is better in hindsight than it was watching it live. Flair vs Steamboat matches are deservedly legendary, but the feud (I'm a family man vs I'm a womanizer) was pretty dorky a times. Also, apparently (per the fantastic PTBNation pair of podcasts "The Price of Ridiculousness," it did very poor on the house show circuit). Steamboat, to my knowledge, never had a title defense on tv against anybody but Flair, which made Flair regaining it and returning to the same ole same ole a foregone conclusion.
ReplyDeleteImmediately after that, the Terry Funk feud begins, which has a great chapter one with the sneak attack, but then a ridiculously stupid "Flair will be gone for x amount of time and might retire." Knowing wrestling was fake, even as a 9 year old in 1989, this seemed really stupid. The face of legitimacy was still treated as an important narrative structure, so letting a guy stay champion even though he couldn't defend it for 30 days seemed dumb. Also, why didn't Steamboat get a rematch. (Again, I was 9, so there's always the chance I'm remembering this wrong. I was a WWF guy, and only a casual NWA watcher.)
Flair comes back, they have great matches, but then, Muta gets depushed despite being a fresher, more interesting heel than Flair.
Flair as the booker makes for some all time classic dvd match sets, but not everything between those great matches was particularly great sometimes.
It's funny that they both had the same problem as champion - no fresh top heels. They each had one (Rude & Sid, respectively). After that, they both dropped the belt to a star whose biggest days came in the mid-80s. Weird too.
ReplyDeleteIf you listen to podcasts, I can't recommend the Place To Be Nation's "The Price of Ridiculousness" highly enough. They cover 1988 NWA in exhaustive detail. Assuming their research is correct, Luger was pushed more to get the title than Sting ever was over a two-year period. Sting was supposed to get it before the knee injury, but injuries change plans all the time. Wrestling is a business of fan-service, not Sting service or Flair service. If the fans were ready for a title change, I'd argue they should have given them one.
ReplyDeleteSting and Luger fighting at the end of the Battlebowl battle royal was one of the highlights of that show. I think by the time Superbrawl came around it was a forgone conclusion that Sting was winning and Luger was on his way out. I think he barely appeared between Starrcade and Superbrawl.
ReplyDeleteLuger/Magnum would have been the perfect feud for the '87 Bash
ReplyDeleteSo is Hulk Hogan finally going to win the belt at AWA Super Sunday? Surely Verne Gagne wouldn't be foolish enough to jerk the fans around YET AGAIN, would he?
ReplyDeleteBetween Starrcade and SuperBrawl, Luger was on TV, maybe twice.
ReplyDeleteLuger costing Sting the U.S. title should have been the catalyst for a Starrcade match.
Unlike Scott answering these questions! AMIRITE?
ReplyDeleteAnyone know what happened to Chris Benoit? That guy just disappeared.
ReplyDeleteDid HBK v2.0 ever face Mark Henry during that run?
ReplyDeleteAlongside Punk vs. Austin!
ReplyDeleteMagnum TA is the future of the business! The NWA is about to pass up the WWF
ReplyDeleteSince Flair wasn't going to drop the belt to Lex anyway, why not focus on the obvious Windham vs. Luger US Title program during '88. Then when Lex wins the blow-off, the next logical step is building to a showdown with Flair in '89. The slow-burn would have been just fine, with Luger fighting through the Horsemen en route to Flair down the road.
ReplyDeleteWas a Taker match ever about stars? Wouldn't have been one HBK and one HHH match be enough? In 2011 they could have made Wade Barrett just like they did in 2005 with Randy Orton.
ReplyDeleteYes. On Raw. And of course the match was a guaranteed ***1/4
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Predictions this accurate and you aren't even monetizing them. If you're good at something, Scott, never do it for free.
ReplyDeleteI was 7 in 1989 and loved the NWA product at the time. I had just started watching but I found most of the product very compelling.
ReplyDeleteIn hindsight things were good for both companies in 1989 but things were starting to slow down.
I don't know what was up with the Muta thing. I want to believe Muta already decided to go back to Japan, otherwise it makes no sense. He was my favorite wreslter so if you are going to deduct points for killing his push you also have to give him points for the effective push in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI feel like Sting vs Luger could have headlined both shows easily
ReplyDeleteI like the idea of Sting coming back from injury and fighting through Arn, Windham, and Sid before beating Flair at Starrcade
ReplyDeleteBash 90: Sting return match, def Barry Windham
ReplyDeleteClash: Sting def Arn
Havoc: Sting & Luger def Flair & Sid
Starrcade 90: Sting def Flair; Sid def Luger
Wrestlewar 91: Horsemen vs Sting, Luger, Steiners, Wargames
Superbrawl: Sting vs Sid; Flair vs Fujinami; Luger vs Windham
Arn/Tully, Road Warriors, Midnights, Freebirds, Steiners, Varsity Club, Garvins, Dynamic Dudes, Samoans, Pillman/ Zenk, Doom, Skyscrapers, Russian Assassins...
ReplyDeleteOr WWF 2000 tag roster?
Delete Arn/Tully, the Garvins, the Fantastics and the Sheepherders as they were all gone by '89. Add Arn/Ole, the Southern Boys and the returning Rock n' Roll Express. I'm sure I'm missing a few.
ReplyDeleteWWF 2000 was the Hardys, Edge/Christian, Dudleys and who else?
Hardys, Dudleys, E/C, Too Cool, Radicals, APA. Then Test & Albert, Headcheese, Godfather & DLo, Boss Men, DX/Outlawz, kaientai, Headbangers, right to censor
ReplyDeleteYeah, do the switch then the big gimmick rematch
ReplyDeleteImpressive but I'm going NWA '89-'90 on that one.
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I was there in person for that match and I really thought Undertaker was going to lose. Especially after Kane kicked out of the first Tombstone. I thought it was a fun match live, but it did seem kind of long. I actually was pretty pro-Kane at that point, especially after he disposed of Pete Rose in the introduction.
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