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WWE ruins Lesnar-Rollins already?

Hi Scott.

I don't like Brock Lesnar fighting from behind. How hard is it to let Seth Rollins be a chicken shit heel? I mean, the story tells itself. Brock is a killer. Rollins is scared to death, yet he finds a way to hold onto his title via cheap DQ or countout. Thus, we get a SummerSlam rematch where Lesnar destroys Rollins in a callback to last year.

Instead, WWE has the audacity to play the injury card with Brock and renege on the whole 'Seth is on his own and the pressure is on' deal after one week. Rollins now has a decided advantage in the feud! I don't want to live in a world where Lesnar is an underdog.

Your thoughts, Sir?


​I don't know what they're doing or what they're building towards, and I'm not getting any sense of a compelling story that actually makes me want to watch the product.  What exactly is Seth's deal supposed to be?  The Authority is protecting him, but throws Lesnar at him? People were cheering Brock's destructive force of nature act, so they turn him babyface and have him get overwhelmed by loser heels? Like, what is the damn story supposed to be?  Also, while we're at it,  I'm supposed to get behind the build towards Roman Reigns winning the big one by having him get outsmarted by Bray Wyatt pretending to kidnap his daughter?  They bend over backwards to protect Dean Ambrose in that ladder match finish and then he just goes out and does a job to Kane on TV?  ​

​I honestly have no idea who out of this group of midcarders is supposed to draw 100,000 people to Wrestlemania. ​

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  1. It's Authority Tough Love! Like the kind Scott dishes out to me!

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  2. Can't see them filling the stadium. So do they "get a bomb threat" or maybe get creative with the arena layout and go for War Games to eat up some seats and get a double ring in there?

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  3. I honestly have no idea who out of this group of midcarders is supposed to draw 100,000 people to Wrestlemania.


    That's easy. None of them. That's what part-timers are for these days.

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  4. "​I honestly have no idea who out of this group of midcarders is supposed to draw 100,000 people to Wrestlemania."

    They're not. Rock and Triple H are.

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  7. A winner is you!

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  8. Adam "Colorado" CurryJune 26, 2015 at 1:01 AM

    LOL!

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  9. I think this is a textbook case of overbooking. WWE decided to make Brock full-fledged babyface (even though they didn't need to) because the crowd already did AND then realized they had a problem with having him stay a relentless killing machine who was going to do the job to Rollins. So the injury angle is created to make him vulnerable, which will probably only hurt his heat because the reason that people like Brock is that he acts like an inhuman beast (even in matches he lost). Lesner isn't really the type of character to garner sympathy, either, so I'm not sure what the point was on that one, ESPECIALLY since he still has Heyman around.


    As for why the match was even booked to begin with, I can see the long story being that HHH/Steph wanted to get rid of Lesner for good and thought they could do it by luring him into a situation he wasn't prepared for. It's not a TERRIBLE idea, but they don't really have the cast in The Authority to seem threatening to Lesner at all.


    The Ambrose thing is a genuine head-scratcher, unless they intend on giving Kane one more run at the top (which seems likely? I really don't know). The Wyatt/Reigns feud would be fine if Wyatt hadn't already lost to everyone ever.

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  10. Adam "Colorado" CurryJune 26, 2015 at 1:05 AM

    It's more likely that I main event WM then WarGames happening there. I bet the set is GIGANTIC though.

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  11. Hmmm, the U.S. isn't in any wars right now so it's not like they can use the war card as an excuse to move to a smaller venue like they could at WM VII.

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  12. Adam "Colorado" CurryJune 26, 2015 at 1:12 AM

    I don't understand what the hell is going on with Brock and the Authority, it just makes no sense AT ALL. The Roman\Wyatt feud is not only Black Scorpion stupid but I can't see it doing anything for anyone involved, Roman looks like an idiot and Bray is just going to look like a loser as usual.


    As for Ambrose, I think he sucks, so he can job in the opening match every week for all I care.

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  13. They should have just stayed with the diverticulitus angle, and have Lesnar keel over screaming like he was having a miscarriage just as he's about to win.

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  14. And how are the going to do an injury angle and have him squash Kofi in Tokyo at the same time?

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  15. And by "squash", we mean Rollins music hitting, and Kofi rolling up Brock for 3.

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  16. For the millionth time...for a company that downplays their heritage as a wrestling promotion by saying that "they're telling stories"--HOW CAN THEY BE SO BAD AT TELLING STORIES?!?!

    (Worse yet...each and every one of their stories is actually THE EXACT SAME STORY.)

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  17. New Day dogpile! Freebird Rules!

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  18. Why? BECAUSE WCW.....oh, shit.

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  19. They'll be giving away those upper deck seats on the opposite side.

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  20. Virgil's Gimmick TableJune 26, 2015 at 2:19 AM

    My problem with this story is the same problem as ever other story. AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHOR- Why can't Brock just come back because he's a fucking badass and does whatever he wants? Oh wait. Cause Triple Nose has to be the center of attention. That's right.

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  21. WWE knows how to turn anything good into shit. And anytime WWE is good it isn't by it's own doing it is seemingly done by fluke.

    There never seems to an end goal or focus, it's just stuff for stuffs sake that must be ran through as fast as possible.

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  22. Macklin, Man Without GoldJune 26, 2015 at 2:25 AM

    I know one thing. Lesnar/Rollins is gonna be the shit.

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  23. I'd say the problem is the kind of opponent they've had Lesnar face since returning, IE, powerful babyface that has to battle the Irresistable Force/Immovable Object that is Lesnar. Lesnar is basically a monster, the kind of stuff that Andre in his prime would have been, a mythological beast of devastation, an opponent that works perfectly when facing a strong babyface, but clashes horribly when faced with a chickenshit heel that Rollins is.
    Brock is a planet-sized obstacle to be overcome, not someone that needs to overcome obstacles.
    It just isn't a combination that works, the dynamic is wrong, and WWE are a bunch of idiots for not understanding that.

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  24. I'm not overthinking the storyline at all. All I know is I expect Brock/Seth will be a good match and I will watch it.

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  25. They have bought the rights - maybe they have bought the booking too. ;)

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  26. One thing WCW was good at was booking heels.

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  27. Brock - Seth should use Shawn - Taker 97' as a template.

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  28. How about Ric Flair - El Gigante 91'?

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  29. That's what I thought they were going for. Shawn made Taker bleed and when Taker got back up and started stalking, you knew shit was on. I think they should have Seth constantly looking over his shoulder fearing Brock's revenge.

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  30. Scott's rant pretty much sums it all up. they are booking like an ADD 8 year old playing EWR

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  31. They just comp the shit out of the unfilled areas, tarp off whatever sections don't fill (if any) and throw out a bullshit number like WM3.

    From a no-bullshit business numbers perspective, 100,000 is gonna be a nigh-impossible bar to cross, but from a TV perspective, they'll make it (or at least make it look good). Let's be real.

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  32. Except as someone else has noted above Taker-Heel Shawn worked beautifully. Obviously Seth isn't Shawn, but the story can still work

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  33. Jeez, I still have nightmares of Brock almost crying because Triple H kicked him in the stomach.

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  34. The booking of the three Shield guys recently is basically eliminating any chance the three guys had of headlining Mania in a Triple Threat - which should have been the obvious destination for the three of them.

    At this point the only realistic card I can see them throwing out is:

    HHH vs Rock (or some combination of this with Steph/Rousey) - probably chuck Austin in as guest ref. Unfortunately this is the big money match.

    Taker vs Cena - I think they want to do Sting/Taker but they are going to have to play this money card (which has lost half it's value without the streak) I feel.

    Shield Triple Threat - but it won't be half what it should have been

    And if (and it's a huge if) Bryan is ready to go then there is still money in face Bryan vs heel Brock.

    No doubt they'll chuck the world at Shawn as well to try and get him to do a match as he's probably the only legend they can get who can (probably) still go.

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  35. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonJune 26, 2015 at 5:59 AM

    I wish they would have had Lesnar win the Money in the Bank match.

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  36. "WWE ruins Lesnar-Rollins already?"


    What a prototypical "internet" wrestling headline.


    That said I agree strange booking as of late.

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  37. Didn't you read the BoD handbook? We don't appreciate this sort of outlook around here!

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  38. I'd be happy with a few of Lesnar's appearances just be Brock walking out to terrorize Seth with the briefcase. Bring Teddy out with him as Brock's personal referee.

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  39. I like the idea more than the execution. Seth should be outright panicking and going to lengths beyond the typical Authority beatdown to keep Brock at bay.

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  40. The booking has been odd since 2003. Though ever since 2011and the Punk vs Cena feud has it gotten worse and worse. There seems to be no real rhyme nor reason for anything. The storylines are so paper thin.

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  41. I agree that the booking is a little weird. It seemed at first that they were planting the seeds for Rollins' face turn by forcing him to go against Brock Lesnar completely on his own (hence HHH's speech about how a lump of coal can either be crushed and simmered into pieces, or can be molded into a diamond), and yet the very next week, Hunter and Stephanie are fine with him using interference from the others to help him get the job done against Brock.

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  42. For someone they reportedly want to replace Cena with as the top guy, they sure stick Roman Reings with really shitty feuds and promos. The stuff on RAW this past week was fucking awful.

    And Rollims problem is that the Authority storyline doesn't se to be going anywhere so it just feels old.

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  43. I'm not so sure they still see Reigns that way honestly.

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  44. Rollins is easy to explain - if he beats Brock, The Authority knew what it was doing. If Brock wins, The Authority was right in beating up a weak champion that acted like he didn't need them.

    Either way, The Authority always wins.

    As far as Roman, I get the attempt to "humanize" him, but again, that's the problem - he shouldn't be humanized, he should be Goldberging guys like he was doing last year.

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  45. Kind agree. It's a shame, though - they were all for him, and now they're kinda not, even though it wasn't all his fault.

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    Here's ESPN with some awesome reporting

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  47. I bet a threat of a terrorist attack will moved then to the Mavericks arena.

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  48. "​I honestly have no idea who out of this group of midcarders is supposed to draw 100,000 people to Wrestlemania. ​"


    John Cena wrestling an animatronic WWE logo?

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  49. Fat, Ugly Inner-City SweathogJune 26, 2015 at 7:16 AM

    Brock should have F5'd both J&J in one shot, broke Kane's arm with a kimura, and chased Seth out of the building

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  50. Fat, Ugly Inner-City SweathogJune 26, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    Yep. Once Seth takes the beating of a lifetime, he could come out of it looking strong in defeat

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  51. They apparently had a 3 star match somewhere.... Even though El Gigante sucked, I still vividly remember the Saturday Night show from early 91 where it opens with Gigante saying "I... Want... Da Belt" 7 year old me was going nuts.

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  52. Brock strikes me someone who would speak up if he thought his stories made no sense, but thinking about it now he probably doesn't care

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  53. A lot of the problems are because they seem to be booking week to week instead of laying out a month or mores worth of storylines when they do their writing.

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  54. Thing is, for Taker there was a precedent, the 94 Royal Rumble, Yokozuna and Mabel breaking his face, Taker had already shown to be vulnerable in certain circunstances, but Brock hasn't been ever shown as vulnerable since his return (and probably even during his original run).

    Plus, the Kane interference was a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity, this beast they had been teasing for months and building up as Taker's equal, allowing Michaels to win though he was completely destroyed during the match (and that was as much of a one-sided beating as you can possibly have!).

    And Shawn hadn't been playing the chickenshit heel for months like Rollins has.

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  55. They don't have to worry about these guys for Mania. They have to worry that Rock isn't filming a movie at the same time as Mania.

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  56. One positive is that Brock beating the shit out of Rollins will finally convince Cena that Rollins has earned access to the ice packs backstage.

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  57. Stranger In The AlpsJune 26, 2015 at 7:42 AM

    I'm starting to believe that they're just throwing shit out there with no real end game. Also, no one on the current roster is going to sell 100k tickets. It's going to be WWE getting as many "legends" as possible that can still go in the ring.


    Vader was just on TV, he can still go.

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  58. Stranger In The AlpsJune 26, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    OMG! I clicked ban on the wrong bot!!!!

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  59. HHH will draw 80000 people. His tank will draw 15000 people and Rock will draw the remaining 5000.

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  60. Stranger In The AlpsJune 26, 2015 at 7:48 AM

    I told him to say that!

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  61. Stranger In The AlpsJune 26, 2015 at 7:52 AM

    Also, why is it that no one worries about the direction of Ryback-Big Show? Why doesn't anyone question how to book R-Truth instead of worrying about the direction of Cesaro?


    My mind is boggled.

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  62. I like how Brock sold Kane's chokeslam.

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  63. "I'm starting to believe that they're just throwing shit out there with no real end game."


    This has been their MO for years.

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  64. Ever since WWF/E began claiming the "we tell stories" bullshit, I've wanted someone to say "but the stories suck and they make no god damned sense."

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  65. Brock laying down in his first match and at Wrestlemania to HHH pretty much tell you his mindset.

    Pin me, Pay me.

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  66. Stranger In The AlpsJune 26, 2015 at 7:53 AM

    Right, but I've been in denial. I was only concerned with match quality. Now that all the matches look the same, I am just now getting around to the stupid stories.

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  67. The only direction the Big Show should go is the opposite direction of arenas or TV cameras.

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  68. Way to corrupt the BoD youth!

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  69. They did this with Brock in 2002 and had him lose to Big Show. History just repeating itself.

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  70. I dunno. Rollins still has a long way to climb...like what if he needs a bandage?

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  71. Brock will drink a glass of Vince's piss on TV as long as the check clears.

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  72. I'd love an injury angle with Show where a heel or face or tweener or El Torito or dear god anyone make him go away burns Show's hands on a stovetop, screaming about how they're like frying pans.

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  73. Welcome to 2009.


    Or something like that.

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  74. You might be right. They can blame themselves for his initial babyface push too. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fired.

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  75. Why should Brock care about losing a fake fight or being booked weakly? He and everyone else knows if it was real he would destroy everyone. Brock is about getting paid.

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  76. But at least Big Show was imposing with frying pan hands.

    Brock might have gotten beaten up by the Spirit Squad at this point.

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  77. Big Show was a walking punchline wrestling in cargo pants. They also pulled the injury shit with his ribs.

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  78. I think he qualified for Band-Aids after his first Money in the Bank. Ace Bandages? Not quite there yet.

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  79. I want to agree with you post and add on, but brah...... that avatar........

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  80. A perfect spiral!

    http://media.giphy.com/media/IXb3EemZuzetq/giphy.gif

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  81. WWE WON'T sell 100,000 tickets to Mania. They'll sell out the 72,00 seats at Cowboys Stadium, plus a few thousand more that will be added to the field for the wrestling setup. Then maybe a thousand more from the stupid people who pay to watch on the jumbotron outside the stadium. I say 85k tops, but they'll inflate the number.

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  82. I surprised carny McMahon hasn't actually started calling him Frying Pan Hands and had him come out with gloves attached to frying pans. He would have owned the Hardcore title back in the day.

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  83. Cena vs Orton,one more timeJune 26, 2015 at 8:08 AM

    They could just lie about the attendance, like they always do.

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  84. You know, as much as I don't like Reigns (and I never "bought" into him in the top spot), it was hard to argue the guy wasn't over last year. And at least the reasoning behind him being the one to beat Brock made sense.

    But they've botched him ever since he came back, and having him feud with heatless slackjawed Wyatt at this point does him no favors, even less how they're doing it. I don't think I've seen someone go from "the guy" to "well, he's around" since Luger.

    If Reigns is curtain-jerking in Dallas, that pretty much confirms Luger 2.0.

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  85. If they would have given him the Cena US title gimmick, had him learning how to work singles matches and cut promos without having to carry the company, can you imagine where he'd be by now? And where he'd be by next WM?

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  86. You need to upvote your own post to really get the full bot effect

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  87. The problem really is that there is no good way to book Brock Lesnar. He is a natural heel with a heel mouthpiece. But he also has a style that at this point is unique and people are into it. So his heel act gets cheered but booking him as a babyface is not effective.

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  88. Goldberg and Ultimate Warrior both gained experience and credibility - not to mention popularity - by being the #2 champions in their promotions. It also made their run to the top more memorable. Why? BECAUSE IT WORKS.

    Reigns doing the "all comers" US title storyline, running over people leading up to winning the Royal Rumble and staying away from the mike, would've built him up better than what happened. Instead, his first match match back was a struggle against f'n Fandango.

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  89. Joey Jo-Jo Junior ShabbadooJune 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM

    I'm starting to think that we shouldn't antagonize the bots. It never seems to work out well for people in the movies...

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  90. I was thinking exactly of Warrior - in my wrestling world, WM showcases Reigns winning the US title and the next night on Raw announcing the open challenge series. Every match is set up with a promo/challenge/response to get him comfortable on the mic.


    The main event scene is Cena (I know) feuding with Brock, Bray Wyatt (who wouldn't have wrestled Taker), and HHH if he has to be in there somewhere. Cena is the champ going into the next WM, Reigns wins the next Rumble, and you do the WM6 face veteran/face up and comer and just let the fans cheer whoever they want.


    Reigns has a year of working singles and cutting promos against a variety of opponents, and is much better poised to know how to work a crowd.

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  91. It's not crazy to suggest he would take pride in his work and how he's put across on TV. Others who get paid well are that way. It's true though - he probably doesn't care

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  92. I think the matches against Randy Orton and Fandango killed him, to an extent.

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  93. Book him as a heel monster. Let the crowd do what they want, which when he's a heel monster, includes buying lots of tshirts. Book a sympathetic babyface against him. Make all the money. That's the good way.

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  94. That and just not having a plan and forcing him into a top spot way too early. I know the business moves faster nowadays, but what were they really thinking?

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  95. I agree that's probably the best way, but it makes it really difficult to get over as his babyface opponent.

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  96. Just book Brock as Brock and people cheer. Not difficult

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  97. Joey Jo-Jo Junior ShabbadooJune 26, 2015 at 8:28 AM

    They really did. The Fandango thing was INEXCUSABLE, because you don't take a rising babyface you're grooming for the top spot who is just coming back from injury and about to headline the biggest show of the year with the Beast Incarnate and book him in a back-and-forth match with a JTTS. It would be like Warrior going to a twenty-minute draw against Boris Zukov on SNME on route to facing Hogan at WM VI.

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  98. First of all, killed him to an extent is a contradictory phrase. Second, nobody even remembers him having matches against Fandango. Third, I like lists with three things in them.

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  99. I don't agree, but I'm upvoting you anyway because you got a chuckle out of me.

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  100. Joey Jo-Jo Junior ShabbadooJune 26, 2015 at 8:32 AM

    With WWE being a public traded company, aren't they prohibited from lying about stats like attendance? if they don't sell 100,00 tickets, it's not going to be as easy to fudge the numbers as in the past.

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  101. Which part do you disagree with?

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  102. There are just some guys that should always remain heels. Flair. Piper. New Day. Brock.

    Usually their face runs aren't as good.

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  103. Cena vs Orton,one more timeJune 26, 2015 at 8:34 AM

    They post the true attendance in their quarterly reports.

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  104. Fandango - people do remember Fandango (well.....for the most part). Jo-Jo's description of Warrior is apt in this case.

    The first point we'll replace "killed" with "damaged extensively", but it still stands.

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  105. I literally have no memory whatsoever of Reigns facing Fandango at all. And I doubt I'm the only one.
    And damaged extensively to an extent? Is that what you're going with?

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  106. I watched the Fandango match and vaguely remember anything about it. If it wasn't brought up here I wouldn't have remembered it even happened.

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  107. Joey Jo-Jo Junior ShabbadooJune 26, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    While having Brock get laid out by Kane and 1/2 of J&J did no one any favors, the real flies in the ointment are HHH and Stephanie. Their motivations are inconsistent, their performances repetitive and they aren't elevating anyone with their schtick. If you eliminate them from the equation and replace them with a neutral Tunney-like figure, then you solve at least some of the problems with the story.

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  108. They need to be in visible control at all times. That's it.

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  109. With Vince, the stories can literally be minute to minute.

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  110. They fudge it during the actual broadcast (even during this mania) for thier own bullshit propoganda. Actual numbers (much lower) are quietly released later.

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  111. Vince has said the attendance figures they announce on TV are for "entertainment purposes".

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  112. I really wish they had him wrestle in Zubaz

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  113. I know they are going to claim 100K at Mania no matter what, but it's going to be awfully hard to believe when the stadium is half empty.

    Or are bomb threats just going to move it to the American Airlines Arena?

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  114. He's probably gonna do something similar the next time he comes to Raw on the July 6th show from Chicago.

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  115. Brock strikes me as someone who is there to cash fat checks so he doesn't give a shit.

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  116. Watching the Invasion ppv I'm glad that that whole thing didn't go down, say, 10 years later. Can you imagine Cole and the Gang putting down every WCW person? "Lance Storm, he's such a geek! He's always serious! I bet he's a virgin, too!" At least JR lent gravity to the situation, and thankfully Lawler was gone.

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  117. I'm surprised they haven't already announced: "There'll be 100,000+ fans at Wrestlemania 32!"*
















    *based on our estimates.

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  118. I'll eat my hat if the stadium is half empty.

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  119. That fandango matcc lasted 7 fucking minutes. I think a lot of people remember that because that was a topic here.

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  120. Regal has been excellent in that role on NXT.


    No. You can't have a match tonight because the card is booked, but I will fit you in next week.
    No. you can't just have a championship match because you asked for one. Go out and earn one by fighting some people.
    You can't just interfere with other people's matches.
    Etc.

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  121. It's that time of year where the stories all turn to total shit before bombing out by December and ending at Wrestlemania if we're lucky.

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  122. Joey Jo-Jo Junior ShabbadooJune 26, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Which is a very Vince thing to say. As if someone was hating a show, hear an inflated attendance number and suddenly decided that the show was in fact awesome.

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  123. Look at the amount of times this formula has worked. Ultimate Warrior. Randy Savage. Goldberg. Bret Hart. Shawn Michaels. Edge. Randy Orton. Chris Jericho. Chris Benoit. Eddie Guerrero. John Cena. Hell, even Miz. There have really only been two instances in the modern era where jumping to the World title has worked -- Brock and Batista. Every other time -- Sheamus and Jack Swagger, to name two -- it fails. They absolutely should have had Bryan win the Rumble for Brock vs. Bryan and had Reigns end Rusev's undefeated streak to do the US title open challenge gimmick.

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  124. The Ryback/Big Show feud has actually been okay, since somehow Ryback is the only guy on the roster who's actually being booked as a strong face who (major point here) actually ACTS LIKE A FACE and is likable.

    Presumably it leads to Show putting Ryback over at Battleground since good lord, do we ever not need Show with another title reign.

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  125. Weirdly, it seems like the company is doing this with Ryback as the IC champ....he's cutting a promo (either in ring or on commentary) every week, involved in a notable feud over his title and surprise surprise, it's gotten him over as a face. Maybe WWE has finally learned it lesson about how to book likable top faces?

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  126. Since returning to WWE, Brock has been booked against Cena, Triple H, Big Show and Reigns --- four "faces" who got at least 60% negative crowd reactions. When booked against Undertaker and Punk (two faces who were actually popular with all fans), the Brock/Heyman act received massive heel heat.

    This isn't rocket science, people. If Lesnar was put against actual popular faces (Bryan, Ambrose, maybe even Orton in front of the right crowd), he easily remains heel no matter how cool his act is.

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  127. I dunno, booking Storm as "boring as hell" a few months after the Invasion wasn't much better.

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  128. Moving it to Corpus Christi is my bet!

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  129. What "legends" are there left, though? That well is running dry. Triple H thinks he and the Rock are going to sell out the place, but the Rock has been used already and may not work the show. Batista has very little interest based on how the company treated him last time. And Austin is not going to wrestle, which is the best way to a sellout.

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  130. I just don't see this as selling 100k. I could see it if the Rock hadn't been used for the Cena feud, but some of that shine is gone. I don't know how many people are dying to see Triple H and the Rock again when they are well past their prime.

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  131. Yeah, I'm sure that Brock guy will be fine.

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  132. Those two guys are not drawing 100k.

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  133. Or maybe they learned not to job out the IC champ at every turn.

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  134. "the plan is we convince Rock to work with Triple H at WrestleMania" - Triple H

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  135. I don't blame Batista. I wouldn't come back after the way they jobbed him out to Bryan at WM.

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  136. Hey you're talking about The Game here! The King of Kings! The Cerebral Assassin! He'll draw 546843510 people by himself.

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  137. I'm a Roman Reigns fan and i don't remember his match against Fandango!

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