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Thursday, May 23, 2013

nWo in WWE

> Scott,
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> The nWo angle in WWE fell flat, but do you think it could have been better?  Nash's injury and Hall's implosion (on that plane trip?) didn't help things, but how do you think the nWo thing could have played out better in 2002?

I would vote for "not associating them with Vince McMahon right away."  With GM Bischoff, sure. 

111 comments:

  1. Christopher HirschMay 23, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    I think it would have flopped no matter what. Rarely, does bringing back groups ever prove successful. People never are satisfied and tend to clamor for the glory days of the group.

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  2. Gotta love how when Vince made the big reveal, he spun around in his chair so that the back of it in the mirror it read "nWo."


    This of course means that Vince really was going to bring in the oWn. "Speak to me, Woyahs!"

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  3. Christopher HirschMay 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Ok, for whoever down voted, please name me reincarnations of groups that were as successful and as beloved as the original?

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  4. I didn't downvote, but until HHH/HBK got back together, I think it could be argued that the HHH-led DX was more successful than the original.


    And although it's pretty much a different dynamic (tag team vs. group of guys), Hart Foundation 2.0 > original Hart Foundation.


    When people think Rock n/ Roll Express, they think Morton/Gibson, but in reality RnR started out as a group of guys in Memphis.


    And similar with Midnight Express: except for the MX vs MX feud in the NWA in late '88/early '89, people will think of Condrey/Eaton or Lane/Eaton over Condrey/Rose.

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  5. I was going to say MX! Dangit!


    Oh, and Demolition really took off when the Repo Man took over.

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  6. Christopher HirschMay 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I guess I more meant bringing back a group years after it went away. The 2006 version of DX was atrocious compared to the 97 version. I was so happy when DX came back and then man, HHH and Michaels in 2006 were awful together. Not funny, not cutting edge.

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  7. But like you said, all of these are tag teams in one form or another (either tag teams changing members, tag teams becoming larger groups or vice versa).

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  8. Gotcha. I think the "closest" would be the 99 version of the Horsemen vs. the Original. Though it brings up a great question:
    Flair/Arn/Malenko/Benoit or Flair/Windham/Tully/Arn?

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  9. But it wasn't really Arn in '99. Mongo was still there, and Arn was ancillary.

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  10. True, but I'd take a broken-down Arn over a healthy Mongo 8 days a week.

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  11. What about the NEW Blackjacks?!?!?

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  12. Years ago I read read someone's fantasy booking (might have even been Scott's) where Hall and Nash come to Vince after the final Nitro and say "Mission accomplished" meaning they were moles the whole time. THAT could have been interesting.

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  13. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    It would have been interesting if they had the nWo during the Invasion. They could reveal that Vince actually WAS behind the nWo all along, they accomplished their mission of destroying WCW...they can either side with the WWF against WCW/ECW or could side with WCW.

    I think there were a lot of creative ways they could have used the nWo, but they didn't seem fully behind it - likely because it wasn't just a WCW thing, but WCW's more successful thing.

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  14. I'd take Kevin Nash as Arn over Mongo.

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  15. Completely rip off how it was done in WCW, of course do it with hindsight of what didn't work about it. Hall appears first, lays down the challenge. Then Nash. Then hype the 3rd man. It doesn't matter that everyone will know Hogan will be the third man, nobody will know who the 4th, 5th, and 6th guys will be. And make sure the defections are surprising and make sense. Edge and Christian would have been a perfect fit.

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  16. Well the HHH-led DX wasn't really a re-incarnation so much as it was one member was removed and others were added. There was no time between HBK leaving and XPAC & NAO joining. The next day, actually.


    If we're talking re-inventing DX, it would be more HHH & HBK back in what, 2007? That ... sucked.

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  17. I think that's a bad idea. Why do the exact same storyline? Doesn't really make much sense, IMO.

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  18. There are people who've argued that Russo was deliberately sent to WCW to tank it.

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  19. WCW as one faction, WWE as another, with the nWo playing both sides. 6 months in, nWo turf Hogan and form a supergroup with HHH and HBK and become the Clique. WCW and WWE have to put aside their war to deal with them. Leads to a WarGames match, HHH, HBK, Nash, Hall, and X-Pac vs Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting, and Hogan.

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  20. Russo had a similar idea for how he would have done it...he explained it during his shoot interview. Both of you have a better story than what played out on TV.

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  21. The nWo was played out and DEAD in 2002. It would have bombed no matter what because people were sick of it.

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  22. Why else would you bring them back? The whole appeal of the nWo was that they invade and and wrestlers defect to their side.

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  23. Well, it worked.

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  24. The ONLY way it would've worked was if HBK was full-time and led the nWo. The only spark that whole thing had was when HBK joined, but he wasn't wrestling yet and it was just a tease.
    HBK wearing the black & white, leading Hall, Nash & Waltman was the only potential they had.
    But I don't think it was a total failure...it got Hogan back and gave us Hogan/Rock I at WrestleMania 18. And first promo between the two on Raw is one of my FAVORITE Raw moments.
    "How would you like to headline one more WrestleMania.......WITH THE ROCK!" /cue crowd explosion

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  25. I actually liked the initial concept- that Vince was reacting to Flair's takeover of the company by INJEHCTING THE WWF with a LHEEETHAL DOSE OF POIZUHHHN, and getting some proven hellraisers to do so. Hall and Nash working on the orders of an increasingly-unhinged Vince? I was down with that.

    Then, they dropped the whole premise on day one.

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  26. Demolition had what, maybe two or three matches with the "original" pairing before Darsow replaced the Moondog?

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  27. Sure, but that doesn't mean you run the same exact angle step by step.

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  28. See, this is a lot better than your other idea! Haha

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  29. Actually, if you do that, the first change HAS to be the third man. NO Hogan, let it be HBK or HHH instead. Hall and Nash shouldn't even mention Hogan, leave him out in the cold. If he tries to butt in, beat him silly.

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  30. This is a decently proliferated idea, but one that I've always loved. I think the internet would have had a collective, Total Recall-level mind-burst, but most people at home would have thought, "Huh?"

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  31. I'll never forgive how badly they messed up the wcw/nwo/invasion thing. I waited MY WHOLE LIFE for it and they fucked it so badly I stopped watching for nearly 10 years.

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  32. I was thinking that too, my idea was HHH. But I think it's doubtful they try and do the nWo without Hogan.

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  33. Plus despite Scott's (and others) jokes, I loved the nostalgic Hulkamania 2002 run. Plus he put over Angle and Lesnar.

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  34. Plus the nWo's initial promo was awesome. The pops for Hall's "Hey yo" and Hogan were off the charts and really cool to see.

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  35. That isn't what I was saying at all. You start it the same way but use the benefit of hindsight to avoid the pitfalls WCW didn't. I'm not saying they should have signed VK Wallstreet and Buff Bagwell and then did the Crow angle.

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  36. "I'm a man of average size, average speed, average agility, average looks, average ... carpentry skills."

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  37. The first mistake was announcing the debut of the nWo. They should have had people randomly attacked backstage, then at the PPV, have them openly attack BOTH Jericho and Austin.

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  38. I always thought this segment hysterically highlights how watered down the nWo was in the WWE.


    In WCW, they were beating down main eventers and destroying the arena.




    In WCW, they're sitting around backstage.... reading newspapers.



    http://youtu.be/xFX2CcduljM

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  39. Oh and honestly, the Radicalz should have been WWE's spin on the nWo. They come in as heels, as WCW invaders, and instead of Hogan being the 3rd man, it's Chris Jericho as the turncoat.

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  40. They should have definitely redone the Crow angle. Having the Rock done the white face paint and leather jacket would have taken him to a higher stratosphere than acting in Hollywood ever could.

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  41. It was crap. Especially Booker T's membership, he was total shit.

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  42. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    I'd have Hogan, Hall and Nash debut like you said, have the Outsiders feud with Austin and The Rock, while Hogan goes after Triple H's WWF Championship. After the Outsiders beat Rock and Austin in a tag team match they get involved in the HHH/Hogan match where they turn on Hogan and reveal Triple H as their actual leader. You can throw in X-Pac and Big Show. Edge and Christian would work if they toned down the goofyness and acted more laid back and cool, like Hall and Nash back in the day. Or maybe Jericho. Add HBK as a mouth piece, Bishoff comes in and gets into power somehow.

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  43. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    I always liked the idea of the Clique as a super-group. From a marketing standpoint you're combining the nWo with DX - that'll move some t-shirts.


    Another way to go would be have the WCW Invaders join the nWo, or even come in as the nWo. There would be that irony that after fighting the nWo for so long, WCW's top guys actually become the nWo to try to take over the WWF like the original nWo did to WCW.

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  44. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    If they had of had enough notice, and the guys needed were willing to show up to do it, I think they should have reformed the nWo quickly and build to a winner take all match on the final Nitro where the nWo wins. It pays off the nWo angle because in the end, they succeeded in killing WCW.

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  45. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Can you imagine the nWo dominating the WWF for a couple of months, then cutting a promo from a live Raw in Atlanta bragging about how they're on the verge of killing the WWF the way they killed WCW....when the lights go down and when they come up Sting's standing in the ring with a baseball bat. He'd be a free agent who's not there to defend the WWF but to continue his war with the nWo.

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  46. I wouldn't turn down Edge and Christian's goofiness at all, because it leads to an easy face turn. They join because they think it's cool and it will be easier to win matches. But their attitudes start rubbing the rest of the group the wrong way and Edge and Christian think they're just a bunch of old douchebags. Edge and Christian get turfed and turn face and have a big blow off match against the Outsiders.

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  47. Only if in this alternate reality, Starrcade 97 didn't happen like it did. And if Starrcade 97 didn't happen like it did, does WCW even go out of business...wait, why is my nose starting to bleed?

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  48. Christopher HirschMay 23, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    One thing WWE did get right was their entrance, with the screen cutting out and the O swallowing the screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwv23KROfkA

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  49. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    They probably still go out of business. Starrcade stands out as because they screwed up their biggest angle when it should have been simple to book but the booking during the nWo era was weak in general. How many times did the Steiners finally defeat the Outsiders only to have to give the titles back? Or did someone win a #1 contenders match for a title shot at no set time and place? Even if they book Starrcade correctly there's no reason to believe they don't continue to screw things up, especially with Bishoff's fondness of Hogan.

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  50. I know, I was just making a joke about all the fantasy booking running wild in this thread. I'd put the Starrcade 97 debacle in the top 5 though for reasons WCW went out of business.

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  51. I think the Shield are pretty good spiritual successors of the nWo.

    Sure they don't have the big stars and aren't on the same place in the card. But they're a dominant group of outsiders with a different motivation than pretty much everybody else.

    It's like if the nWo was the Hidden Fortress, the Shield is A New Hope.

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  52. As someone who watches Raw every once in a while at best, what exactly is the Shield's motivation for doing whatever it is they do.

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  53. But you don't get the heel turn dynamics with the Shield. A lot of the appeal with the nWo was tuning in every week to see who would join next.


    The closest thing they have to that is if they turn Heyman's guys in an actual stable. And then you can have guys turn heel by joining him and becoming a "Heyman Guy".

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  54. Scream09_HartKillerMay 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Various undefined injustices.

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  55. That's fine but I disagree with Jericho as the turncoat. It makes sense logically but I don't think it would have had the same impact Hogan turning had (obviously) and Jericho was pretty over by the time the Radicalz debuted. I'm not sure you necessarily needed a turncoat. You probably could have just had the Radicalz be invaders and leave it at that.

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  56. The NWO was dead when they tried to reincarnate it with Bret Hart, Jeff Jarrett, etc in 1999. It felt forced and used to try and win back ratings. Honestly, the WWE version was doomed from the start when The Rock and Steve Austin mocked them rather than take them seriously.
    There seems to be this notion that stables have a short shelf life, and you need to have members turn on each other and break up to make it interesting. Evolution was a great stable, but they lasted, what...less than two years. WWE touts them as one of the greatest stables of all time, but I hadly believe that because they didn't last long.

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  57. They inducted a specific Horsemen stable that lasted less than a year into the Hall of Fame!

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  58. Well, you need a promo guy and Jericho was miles better than them in that department. And plus, if you're doing a WCW invasion angle, what do you with the ex WCW guys on the roster? By turning Jericho, you have the "who can we and who can't we trust" dynamic. You can get a ton of mileage out of stuff like that.

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  59. DX was one of the best groups of all time and it only lasted months. Longevity has nothing to do with it.

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  60. What ruined it for me was Jerry Lawler. In WCW all of the announcers treated the nWo as being despicable, and even Heenan sided against them. In WWE Lawler showing support for the nWo just made them come across as a regular heel group.

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  61. The only downside is you'd get the combination of the nWo and DX. In ALL facets. So they'd basically never lose a match. The Clique only ever jobbed to the Clique.

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  62. I'd love to see them try and tell Austin, Rock, and Taker that they weren't doing any jobs.

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  63. The Clique wins that battle all day, everyday. Austin was already getting on bad terms with management due to Hogan's signing, Rock started going part-time post-Wrestlemania, and Taker would be shipped off to Smackdown permanently in the middle of the year.

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  64. Agreed on the first paragraph, but I found myself waiting for your counterpoint here to the notion that stables have a short shelf life. Other than the Freebirds, I can't think of one group that lasted an insanely long time (tough to count the Horsemen because of how much they mutated). The nWo only lasted about 20 months before splintering (around the same time as Evolution).



    It's hard to say that they could have a longer shelf life. I'd love to see a stable last longer because many more possibilities for angles/stories exist when a group has a history together. I would have paid good money to see The Nation or The Hart Foundation 2.0 continue on, for example.

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  65. I always thought they should have had Jericho turn and be the main eventer for the wcw invasion, along similar lines.

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  66. Nope. Shawn was on extremely thin ice, and Hall and Nash had zero pull and were on the same sheet of ice that Shawn was. WWE wasn't putting up any of their bullshit.

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  67. The Clique has HHH. Even in 2002, he trumps the rest.

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  68. I think the nWo would've worked better in WWE if Hogan was never involved. He put the group on the map and was their "crown jewel" but he wasn't needed once the nWo became a household name. They should've kept the initial group to just Hall and Nash and made it cool again. It was never going to be cool again with Hogan.

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  69. The dude who had to job to Taker because his buddy fucked up? There is a reason you never hear any stories of HHH pulling rank on Austin, Rock, or Taker.

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  70. I think for the nWo to work, they're big debut at WrestleMania X-8 should have been like the Bash at the Beach one, where Hogan/Hall/Nash face three guys that are WWF for life. I would have thought Hogan/Hall/Nash v. Rock/Austin/HHH would be a bazillion buys. HHH could they turn on the WWF and join his click buddies, they could oust Hogan, HHH wins the World title the following month and then do all the crazy "who's going to join the nWo next?" like they used to do in WCW.


    But they went with Hogan/Rock, and did Hogan really need to be in the nWo for that to work?

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  71. The same Austin and Rock who weren't around for the majority of HHH's time in power? The only one who really could've made a difference was Taker. And he was made King of Smackdown, reportedly so he and HHH would be separated.

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  72. Maybe I should rephrase that in this current, it appears that stables are used as a plot device for a few months and then broken up and discarded. Examples being The Nexus, for one. They started off red hot, had a program with Cena where he laughed everything off, and then they split. The group led by CM Punk were a joke, with untalented workers. The Corre never even stood a chance by the time they formed. 3MB started off as a comedy act and now they're not even funny. All of these groups are formed and then written off in months. The Horsemen were mainly Flair, Anderson, Blanchard and whoever just made a fresh heel turn. But they were around a lot longer. The various incarnations in the 90's suffered from the same fate that current groups hold, in that they didn't last more than several months. I believe longevity should be considered because it makes the stable seem stronger and unified.

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  73. So instead of Hogan/Rock at WrestleMania X-8, it's Hogan/Hall/Nash v. Rock/Austin/HHH and Jericho/Angle for the WWF Title? That could work. However, wasn't there an issue with a Nash injury and that's why he wound up not wrestling at the event? Maybe it wasn't serious enough that they could have compensated by having a Six Man but that's something to think about. That tag match would definitely have drawn well.

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  74. why? it makes sense in kayfabe as well.

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  75. the Horsemen may be the only exception. some of those formations were not as good as others but the group as a whole never got old (I guess because it was hardly ever supposed to be the "hip" thing. Flair was talking about "tradition" right from the start).

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  76. theres more bad returns than good returns on reboots or sequels of tags/factions.

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  77. Politics, injuries and attitudes aside, this is THE arc for that era. Provided you get Austin/Goldberg in there somewhere.

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  78. nWo in WWE was just a stable. That's not the reason the group got over in the first place in WCW. They were renegade outlaws in Hall and Nash who took away the company's biggest name and convinced him to be a bad guy. Together, they ran roughshod on everyone and everything in their path with no regard for rules, regulations or even laws.

    This was never the case in WWE. They were just more guys clogging up the roster post-WCW.

    The ideal debut would be keeping Vince out of the equation and having them debut at the Royal Rumble. You have ready make feuds in the making just by causing eliminations in the match itself. Hall and Nash could either eliminate the tag champs at the time (whoever that was) or fly solo. I like the idea of aiding HHH in winning the rumble with the group (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Hennig and Steiner) screwing over Angle and Austin. Between then and Mania, the great debate would be whether HHH was nWo or not.

    At No Way Out, there would be a big 6 man, ala Bash at the Beach where everyone (including Rock, Austin, and Angle) would expect a turn from Trips. The match would pit Hogan, Hall, and Nash vs. Austin, Angle, and HHH with Rock facing Jericho in a rematch from the Rumble.

    Hunter would not only do the turn, but the whole group would destroy Rock and Jericho after their match (Rock wins) and sets up HHH vs. Rock for the title at Mania.

    Meanwhile, in a perfect world of course, Hogan faces Austin, Angle and Jericho face Hall and Nash, and Steiner faces Booker T.

    Wrestlemania X-8

    Battle of the Icons

    "Hollywood" Hogan vs. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin (Austin)

    Undisputed Title

    (C) The Rock vs. Triple H (HHH)

    The Outsiders vs. Kurt Angle and "Y2J" Chris Jericho (Hall and Nash)

    "Big Poppa Pump" Scott Steiner vs. Booker T (Steiner)

    The Undertaker vs. "Nature Boy" Ric Flair (Taker)

    Curt Hennig, Syxx, and Big Show vs. Edge, "Diamond" Dallas Page, and Kane (NWO)

    Womens Title

    (C) Jazz vs. Trish Stratus (Trish)

    Tag Team Titles

    (C) The Dudley Boyz vs. The Hardy Boyz (Hardyz)

    Intercontinental Title

    (C) Rob Van Dam vs. William Regal (RVD)

    After the main event, the HHH-led nWo come out and beat Hogan down. Austin comes back to save but is beaten down himself.

    On RAW, HHH announces that he is now the leader and Hogan is out. Hogan later pledges to kill what he made famous and thus begins the summer of Hulkamania, along with Austin, Angle, Jericho and others against the New World Order.

    Hogan, with help from the Rock, defeats HHH for the title at Backlash and forms a dream team with Rock to face The Outsiders at Judgement Day. They win the match while HHH wins a #1 contender match against Austin. Hunter wins the belt back at Vengeance and the rematch at Summerslam, injuring Hogan and writing him off tv for the rest of the year. One by one, HHH defeats all-comers. Booker T, RVD, Kane, Jericho, Angle, Benoit...all fall short.

    Meanwhile, Brock Lesnar is doing his thing on Smackdown as WWE Champion. Angle ends up there and they have their match at Mania 19.

    Sting debuts in the Rumble match and ends up defeating Trips for the title at Mania. The nWo is defeated by the man who knew them best and the group is broken up and written out of storyline. Sting has dream matches over the course of the rest of the year, keeping the belt until the following Wrestlemania XX, dropping the title to The Undertaker.

    Wrestlemania XX

    Dream match - World Title

    (C) Sting vs. The Undertaker (Taker)

    Dream match

    The Rock vs. Shawn Michaels (HBK)

    WWE Title

    (C) Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar (Angle)

    #1 Contender 4-way

    Chris Benoit vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. Kane vs. Triple H (Benoit)

    Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar (Brock)


    IC Title - No Holds Barred


    (C) Randy Orton w/ Evolution vs. Mick Foley

    Tag Team Titles

    (C) Booker and RVD vs. La Resistance

    US Title

    (C) Big Show vs. John Cena (Cena)

    Womens Title

    (C) Victoria vs. Molly Holly (Victoria)



    Cruiserweight Open


    (C) Chavo vs. Dragon, Kidman, Noble, etc.

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  79. I'M GONNA KILL MY OWN CRRREATION is the only thing I remember about nWo 2002.

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  80. Exactly. It should have been "Fuck you, this is OUR wrestling company, and your not destroying it. From faces and heels alike."

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  81. Which is why its great that the higher-up's are supporting the Shield as they could have very well been written off by No Way Out or WM with the faces crushing them

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  82. Im just not at all a fan of Jericho locked up in a group or stable

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  83. A harder question is Flair/Arn/Malenko/Benoit or Flair/Arn/Pillman/Benoit. On paper, almost a push.

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  84. That segment is pure gold though

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  85. i was just watchin butterfly effect.... atlered.

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  86. Yeah, that NWO 2000 stable was money....

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  87. Nash wrestler the week before and the night after Wrestlemnia that year, so I don't think he was injured. Believe me, I'm as shocked as you. :)

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  88. Jeff Jarrett and the Harris Brothers? nWo 4-Life!!

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  89. Vince could never follow the formula if it wasn't his invention. Hogan being back in WWE was so surreal it was a huge distraction from the entire angle.

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  90. Yes Hogan had to be in the nWo for that angle, you arent robbing me of Hogan trying to kill Rock with that tractor...

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  91. Rock made the nWo look like the washed up chumps they were in 2002. Also back then nearly everyone took Austin's side that him feuding with a washed up Scott Hall was stupid. Its not like any of the nWo could go in the ring...hell Nash proved that his first match.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vHdcmsOFv0&noredirect=1

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  92. About as money as nWo Hollywood and nWo Elite were, eh?

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  93. "Big Daddy Cool, Diesel! Toot toot! Toot toot!"


    Gets me every goddamn time.

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  94. AmericanWolves02May 23, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    It felt to me that NWO's problem was that they didn't bring them in to act like what made them successful in WCW. In WCW they were assholes who were out for themselves to take over. In WWF they just played up their reputations for backstage politics.

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  95. Hogan/Nash/Hall vs. Rock/Austin/HHH needed to happen on a PPV. Or maybe even go with the revitalized Hulkamania stuff after Wrestlemania. Turn Hunter and do a HHH-led nWo against Rock/Austin/Hogan?

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  96. As terrible as his in-ring work was, especially by then, the Kevin Nash injury really took some stuff off the table in 2002. Nash/Hall vs. HHH/HBK in an nWo vs. DX tag match would have been a great build (SummerSlam?). Hunter can turn on Shawn after and do HHH vs. HBK at "Unforgiven". Nash/Hall vs. Taker/Kane.

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  97. Unexplained and probably unable to be explained in a way that would be interesting and compelling, so we have to fill in the gaps with what we'd like the motivations to be.

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  98. Yeah, that was a huge problem. IIRC, when they showed up at the No Way Out PPV (how clever), Nash did most of the talking and Hogan was in the background, and people just wanted to hear from Hogan. The whole "outside threat" thing doesn't work that well when one of them is arguably the biggest guy in the history of the company.

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  99. I think the New World Order retread was instantly ruined by having all three guys running scared from Steve Austin. I remember one RAW where Hall, Nash & Hogan were fucking COWERING at the thought of the man. Pretty much ruins things when the heels are completely terrified of one guy.

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  100. AverageJoeEverymanMay 24, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Or have them in a six man and during the match Hall and Nash (who had been going 2 on 3 before this point) do the NWO point to the back and Hogan emerges through the curtain. When Hogan is halfway to the ring and in mid belt guitar HHH or someone comes running down the aisle and bashes Hogan and reveals an NWO shirt and is the real 3rd member. Leading to Hogan's face turn which happened soon in the run anyway.

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  101. AverageJoeEverymanMay 24, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    So would all the "Fat Broads!"

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  102. Caliber_VoorheesMay 24, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Holy shit was I excited for the nWo's return. This was 2002, long before youtube and such, so I thought all the awesome nWo moments from WCW were gone forever, and I was stupid to have not taped them. This time, that wasn't gonna happen. So, I got two VHS tapes, and in white out I wrote "nWo RAW" and "nWo Smackdown" so I could record every nWo moment.

    The thing is, the original nWo were a fucking gang. They were dangerous, and scary. This nWo? They just sauntered out in the beginning of a PPV. They had music, they used the entrance way, it was all so bleh. It was also weird because was the nWo suppose to be feared because they destroyed WCW kayfabe, or because what the real life guys did backstage? It's like they were using the rep of what they did in real life, and kayfabing it. It was so weird. Then you had that bullshit with The Rock. He should have caught a serious ass beating. Then there was the thing with Stone Cold capturing Hall, and wreaking havoc on the nWo. It completely cut them off at the knees, and seriously didn't work.

    It is amazing that Nash, Hall, & Hogan vs The Rock & Stone Cold was given away on Raw.

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  103. Somewhere out back of whatever venue they were in, there was some poor construction worker wondering where his wheelbarrow full of fully cooked, highly brittle cinder blocks went off to.

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  104. Never had a chance -- People simply didn't want to see them on WWE TV; they'd already fucked up things in WCW well enough -- Hogan was the only draw and once they realized that they fed him to The Rock...

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  105. What about LOD 2000? They were pretty awesome....right?

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  106. Maybe go with someone else teaming with Austin & Rock (Angle?) Vs the nWo, with Jericho-HHH still. Hunter wins the title as a face, then turns on the WWF in the main event. Hhh & Hogan lead together until egos interfere, then the Kliq boots Hogan out for the nostalgia run. HHH vs Hogan at SummerSlam in NY?

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