Friday, October 3, 2014

WWF Superstars of Wrestling November 8th, 1986

November 8, 1986

From the Broome County Arena in Binghamton, NY

Your hosts are Bruno Sammartino, Jesse Ventura, and Vince McMahon

Tonight's featured match will have the Killer Bees take on the team of the Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff. Also in action are Koko B. Ware, Hercules Hernandez, and the British Bulldogs. 


Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff w/ Slick vs. Killer Bees

The crowd goes nuts for the Bees as they entered the ring. The fact they interrupted Volkoff's signing played a big factor in that. Sheik and his pal Blair start off the match trading moves. Blair finally gains an advantage then tags out to Brunzell. The Bees use quick tags until Sheik boots Blair in the face after he ducked his head. Volkoff tags and stomps Blair, who is in trouble. Sheik tags and hits a suplex then locks on the Camel Clutch but Brunzell breaks that up when Blair was on the verge of tapping out. The ref yells at Volkoff for coming in then the Bees duck outside and put on their masks and its clear that Brunzell is now in the ring, evidenced by his dropkick and the fact that Jesse was screaming about it on commentary as Vince played dumb. Blair then sends Volkoff to the floor with a dropkick then the ref yells at Slick, who was on the apron and had just hit Brunzell with his cane, as the Bees switch places in the ring. The ref turns around then Blair floats over on a slam attempt and uses a reverse rollup that knocked Volkoff down and pinned the Shiek (4:28). The crowd erupts at the finish. 

Thoughts: Fine while it lasted. The crowd was jacked for the whole match. This was the first match of the taping and sometimes that comes into play but it came across great on TV.


WWF Update with Gene Okerlund. This week's subject is Superstar Billy Graham and we get a clip of him taking about making his return. Funny how the build to Graham's return lasted a lot longer than the return itself. He could barely move at this point in his career.


Moondog Rex vs. Koko B. Ware

This is one jacked up crowd. Koko uses his speed to elude Rex. He dropkicks him after a leapfrog then takes him down with a flying headscissors. The crowd is firmly behind Koko as he hammers away on Rex. Koko takes him down with a backdrop then dodges a charging Rex in the corner and climbs on the opposite turnbuckle and waits for Rex to get up before putting him away with a missile dropkick (1:55). 

Thoughts: Koko was establishing himself nicely as a midcard act. His signature moves were pretty advanced for 80's WWF too.

Jack Tunney is with referee Danny Davis, who has a statement to make. Davis tells everyone who thinks he owes them an apology for how he officiates says that he is sorry even though he does not mean it at all. They sure gave this Danny Davis a shitload of TV time.


Ken Resnick is with Hulk Hogan who will be facing Kamala at the December Boston Garden show. He tells Kamala that he will eat "kryptonite" and hang out in the Garden of Eden eating poisonous apples to prepare for him then says that he wants to get rid of The Wizard. He also declares that he and his Hulkamaniacs do not care about "his kind." Hulkamania is discriminatory?


We are shown a transaction that took place at a local bank between Slick and Bobby Heenan. Slick says that he only accepts cash but Heenan said it is worth it to acquire Hercules. Slick gets the cash and Heenan gets the contract as they rake the pile of cash off of the counter and into Slick's paper bag. Funny segment.


"Leaping" Lanny Poffo vs. Hercules Hernandez w/ Bobby Heenan

Poffo's pre match promo was dissing Hercules for aligning with Bobby Heenan. Hercules comes out with shorter hair and plain black trunks as he got a makeover too. Vince states that Hercules might be the #1 contender to Hogan's belt as he beats on Poffo. Jesse then rags on Vince for being cheap as Hercules stays on the attack. Poffo skins the cat and dropkicks Hercules into the corner. He then hits a springboard somersault senton for a nearfall but Herc tosses him off then slingshots Poffo to the floor where he roughs him up. Hercules rolls Poffo back inside then finishes him off with the backbreaker (2:48). 

Thoughts:


Resnick is with the Rougeau Brothers, who will be facing the U.S. Express in a rare babyface matchup. Raymond actually forgets his opponents team names and hype the match as a scientific match and sucking up to the Boston sports teams. The Rougeau's were poor on the mic, especially Raymond.


We get our first vignette of Outback Jack in Australia. They play a jingle as they show him walk in the fields with a backpack as Vince says he is the toughest man in Australia. Jesse already calls him "Outhouse Jack." We would get a lot more of these for the rest of 1986.


Dave Wagner & Rick Renslow vs. British Bulldogs. 

Before the match we are shown an insert promo of Davey talking to Matilda.  Davey armdrags both guys as they duck outside as Jesse continues to rag on Outback Jack. Dynamite roughs up Wagner after he knocked his partner off of the apron. Davey tags and hits Wagner with a running powerslam then picks up Renslow on his shoulders and tags Dynamite, who climbs up top and leaps off of Renslow with a headbutt for the win (1:41).

Thoughts: A quick win for the tag champs. They were really trying hard to get Matilda over here.


Piper's Pit with guest Bobby Heenan, who interrupts Piper. The Pit has a new set that Piper would have until he left the WWF. Heenan brings out King Harley Race and he rambles on until Piper tricks him and Heenan into taking over the show and leaves but not before putting a toilet seat over Race's head. The King flips out and ends up breaking the seat. The King gimmick kinda sucked and it did not fit Harley at all.


Jesse Ventura is with Mike Rotundo. He asks him about his partner Danny Spivey and if he is coming back. Rotundo tells Jesse not to worry and that he will be back soon.


Vince introduces a rockin' tribute music video set to "Bad Boys" by the Miami Sound Machine. It's just a clip of various wrestlers. Not a bad video, actually. It did fit with the times at least and stuff like this, although it might seem corny in retrospect, really set them apart from the other promotions with slick production values.


Jesse is now with the Honky Tonk Man and asks him about the fans not supporting him. Honky said that he is not getting the response he deserves and that fans should be dancing in the aisles when he comes out. Jesse suggests a vote of confidence to support Honky and he agrees as Jesse encourages fans to write him about how they feel about Honky. This was the beginning of Honky's heel turn.


We are shown another clip of the contract signing between the Machines and King Kong Bundy & Big John Studd. After that we get a clip of Capt. Lou Albano, who was not present for the signing, and how he will be there next week for their match and that it will be his final appearance as a manager.


John Nardow vs. Sika w/ The Wizard

We are treated to another screaming insert promo from the Wizard prior to the match. Sika chops and bites Nardow as Vince is disgusted that Danny Davis is the referee in this match. Sika chokes Nardow then finishes him off with a Samoan Drop (1:41).

Thoughts: This was designed more to continue the Davis angle than to put over Sika, who was floundering in his return.


Vince plugs the "Vote of Confidence" for the Honky Tonk Man as a graphic shows the P.O. Box on where to send your vote.


Resnick shows us a clip of The Wizard, Kimchee, and Kamala in the locker room cutting a promo on Hulk Hogan for their match at the December Boston Garden show. If you love long screaming promos from the Wizard then this was right up your alley.


Next week's featured match will be the Machines vs. King Kong Bundy & Big John Studd in Albano's final match as a manager. Plus, "Piper's Pit" with guest Hulk Hogan. Also in action will be the Hart Foundation, Don Muraco & Bob Orton, and the Islanders.


Final Thoughts: Good show with a lot of things happening. Honky's impending heel turn, Albano's announcing his retirement, Hercules' makeover, the first look at Outback Jack, and the start of a program between Kamala and Hogan. Sure, not everything was great but it was an eventful show and the announcement of Hogan on Piper's Pit and the Machines vs. Studd & Bundy also meant that next week will be a busy show too.

 

460 comments:

  1. It's amazing the things babyfaces said and did that would be considered racist today. Never forget Orndorff pulling his eyebrows up to mock Fuji and Asians.


    Always hated the Graham hype, mostly because the surgery they showed was flat out disgusting. I can't watch medical procedures today, much less at 13.


    This was my peak of fandom leading up to WM3 as a kid. I was hooked on the Danny Davis storyline, Piper/Adonis, Savage/Steamboat, Andre/Hogan, even Hercules/Billy Jack Haynes. If Vince was putting it on in 86 and 87 I was lapping it up. My fandom waned after the Megapowers exploded (and I got older and had too much to do in high school).

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  2. The television sweeps months during November, February, and May were a big deal at the time, so the WWF would deliver their hotest angles during those months.

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  3. Adam "Colorado" CurryOctober 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    The fact that they think they will still have a GM and still be doing the briefcase bullshit doesn't inspire confidence.


    Also, there's a bigger chance of me main eventing WM than having WM in China.

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  4. Tie me kangaroo down sport.

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  5. "Anyways, I'm not saying you have to think Shawn's the greatest ever. I just think suggesting he "may never have learned how to put a match together" is either deliberately trolling or active spite; the guy's body of work"

    And again, I didn't actually say that. And again you've listed a Who's Who of great workers , with just one or two exceptions, and suggested he is godly for having a great match with eg The Brainbusters.

    I said that he was too busy putting himself over to really make the other guy look good.

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  6. Now it's hanging out on the shed - everybody -- tie me kangaroo down sport. Tie me kangaroo down.

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  7. I'm pretty encyclopedic. about wrestling but i've never seen WM 1, 21, 22, and 24. Never seemed important.

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  8. The Ghost Of Meekin's MoobsOctober 3, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    Rolf's the one tied down these days. Dirty bastard.

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  9. Starrcade was booked as the biggest event of the year from 1996-1999, so turning SuperBrawl into their WrestleMania doesn't make sense. In mid 1995, Meltzer reported the original Starrcade '95 main event was going to be Hogan vs. Sting.

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  10. So, what, are they going to turn Ambrose heel for this feud? And job him to Cena? Great. That's the ticket.

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  11. Nobody did music videos quite like Memphis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMCRCkmygA

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  12. Starrcade had WCW's highest buyrate in 1996 and 1997. Starrcade '98 did the second biggest buyrate of the year.

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  13. In fairness, JCP tried to kill Starrcade for the Southerners in 1987.

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  14. So THAT'S why Lord Alfred did the 'promotional consideration... paid for by the following' - to lend that PBS class.

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  15. They coukd have slashed the budget amd still pulled the same ratings, had they wanted to. All the highly paid guys were at home by the end anyway.

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  16. THAT IS WHAT I JUST SAID.....JERK

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  17. One could argue that had WCW narrowed its focus instead of expanding, embraced its southern roots, and been content to be a regional promotion that used TV to build to big monthly shows at the Omni or Greensboro or such, it might have had a chance to last years longer then it did. But once Hulkamania started running wild, everyone who bought in to the idea of WCW being a national competitor to the WWF were really just signing on to the company's eventual death warrant.

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  18. Yay! 2 guys in ten years that weren't completely buried after feuding with Cena.

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  19. It was sarcasm at the emailer for suggesting Bischoff attempted to demphasize Starrcade to kill the southern crowd by not having Hogan appear. Hogan was never all that huge with the southern man.

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  20. So Sheiky Baby DID get Blair in the camel clutch!!!

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  21. Must have been Bischoff demphasizing it to kill off the southern audience.

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  22. "Yep Mode" ABeyAnce1©October 3, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    This might be the earliest the thread has ever been up.

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  23. Someone asked because of the MLB playoffs and I obliged.

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  24. That's priceless.

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  25. The Nastys were being pushed a year before Hogan even got there.

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  26. Virgil's Gimmick TableOctober 3, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    America's favorite pastime? More like nap time.

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  27. The wizard is the father of the DoD

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  28. I'm just going to eat pizza and drink Octoberfest. Work is trying to find a way to make me take over the tasks of my departing boss without paying me. That's the price of being capable.

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  29. Also, I wish Dana White would shut up about Conor McGregor. He's ruining something that was working perfectly fine organically.

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  30. I"m still at work (booo!), but leaving right now (yay!)

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  31. still at work. going to be here for a while.

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  32. I'm down for an O's vs Royals ALCS. Don't care about the NL as long as the Cards lose

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  33. Been there brother. Stay strong.

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  34. UFC has two Fight Night shows tomorrow with a total of 21 fights. Who the hell is going to sit through all of that?

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  35. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Tigers bullpen shows it's stuff every postseason. They try and tweak it every offseason, but nothing ever works. The ghost of Willie Hernandez points and laughs.


    I'm becoming a bigger fan of Kansas City every game.

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  36. You think David Price cares if the Tigers lose this series? He'll be gone next year and so will Scherzer presumably and Verlander is going downhill. The Tigers are going to be a mess next season.

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  37. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    I can see that. 200+ innings for Verlander every season is catching up to him. Scherzer has already turned down crazy money with the Tigers, so you know he's moving. Price might possibly stay for the right price (heh heh), but I think he might be LA or NY bound. They will still have a good offence but that pitching is falling apart. Cleveland or KC might become the power in that division starting next season.

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  38. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:20 PM

    LETS GO DOD GERS

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  39. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    To quote a multitude of Always Sunny eps, GODDAMMIT DEE

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  40. Not even Dana.

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  41. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    I don't know who, but I'll bet they'll be wearing Affliction shirts

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  42. I've just gone through all the Nitros from the start and currently on the formation of the nWo and I don't remember one match with Hogan/Savage vs. Sting/Luger. I know Hogan fought Sting and Luger fought Savage but I don't remember a tag match between all of them which would have been awesome as long as Savage and Sting carried things.

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  43. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    That'd be awesome. A ratings killer but a great series.

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  44. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    BOO THIS MAN

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  45. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    THIS ONE TOO

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  46. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    JAMIE NOBLE, BOY

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  47. Flair wanders down to ringside with Liz and Woman, does his little dance with each of them until Hogan pulls him by the hair into the ring. They each take turns dropping legs and top rope elbows and tapping him out with racks and Scorpions until everyone has a pin or submission on him. Schiavone calls it the greatest night in our sport's history.

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  48. I would like to think that Crockett would still be in business if he didn't buy the UWF and move his base of operations to Dallas while trying to expand the territory so rapidly. But who's to say if he didn't fuck up in '87 that he wouldn't have in '88, '89, etc. Plus Vince burying Starrcade '87 with the cable companies absolutely castrated Crockett.

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  49. Fun Fact: I was born in Binghamton New Yprk and lived there until I was 2.

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  50. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:36 PM

    Fuck yeah benches empty (as long as no Dodgers get tossed). Tired of their fucking pitchers hitting our middle of the order guys all the time

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  51. Things are getting interesting now

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  52. So...I bought NHL 15 to learn Hockey and....I'm confused. Using mostly osmosis and knowledge from friends and sports radio I've deduced

    Forecheck - the attacking players / Center / Wings ?

    Offsides - WHO THE FUCK KNOWS

    Gameplay wise I feel like I'm missing something, but christ this game is beautiful.

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  53. But he's bigger than Brock and GSP combined!

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  54. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    Offsides- can't have a player cross the attacking blue line before the puck (so players can't camp out in the zone). It tends to get tricky avoiding it at times with your AI line mates making bull rushes for the zone

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  55. I think I may pair it with some second screen WWE Network - What's the most brutal, insane, wild, WHAT THE EFF IS GOING ON PPV on there?

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  56. You know what fight I am looking forward to? The one where they roll around on the ground and don't do anything.

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  57. I've figured out the key to all things is the poke check and skating backwards with the LT, I just gotta figure out shot mechanics and how to direct my AI teammates.

    I wish this was amde by the 2K guys.

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  58. He is basically Lawler doing the Fandango the week after 'Mania

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  59. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    You don't, NHL 2K was lousy in the PS3/360 era., which is mainly the reason they bowed out.

    Also, forechecking is giving an offensive check without the puck in the attack zone in an attempt to keep or regain possession.

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  60. Fuck Yadier Molina

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  61. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Fired up Blue Crew ties it up, hell yeah.

    Hanley steals without a throw, OHHHHH HELLLLLL YEEEAH

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  62. Try one-timers to score in the game. Its when you pass then immediately shoot afterwards. Good for scoring.

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  63. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    YES! YES! YES! YES!

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  64. Where was this Carl Crawford in Boston?

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  65. I want Washington to win the World Series just so the right wingers will blame President Obama for rigging it.

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  66. Wainwright is falling apart

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  67. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    Or even the last year and a half. Since August, his numbers have basically been back to his Tampa days.

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  68. He was a whiny bitch when he left Boston, blaming the media for his poor play so I am glad he is gone in all seriousness. But like you said, he has been playing at a high level lately

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  69. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    Uribe thought it sounded good off the bat. Eventful inning, Dodgers are rolling, creating separation with a controlled frenzy, with that shot to the skull of the Cards

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  70. Kofi Kingston would be proud

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  71. Pizza and beer. I'm there dude.

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  72. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    He was still chirping about Boston brining him down while he was there acouple of months ago, so I wonder what his excuse was for the mediocre first season and a half in LA

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  73. Don't worry, he will blame someone

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  74. I'm sorry. Pick a sport that doesn't suck.

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  75. The majority of cities represented in these playoffs are best described as dumpster fires.

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  76. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Have better taste in life

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  77. OCTOBER BASEBALL, MAGGLE! THERES NOTHING LIKE IT! I LOVE IT!

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  78. Baltimore
    Kansas City
    St. Louis
    Anaheim
    Los Angeles
    San Francisco
    Washington
    Detroit


    Yeah, you are right about that

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  79. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    I'm surprised jobber hasnt chimed in with how Dodger fans turned San Diego into Gotham City yet.

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  80. Did you get the fantasy hockey invite yet?

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  81. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    Yep, ready to go for Sunday

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  82. Wouldn't there have to be Dodger fans?

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  83. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Just trying to look busy in my cubicle for the remaining half hour at work so I can watch this game until punch out

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  84. Anybody else watching the FWE free iPPV? It just started : http://www.fwewrestling.com/

    * The Young Bucks vs. The Addiction (Daniels and Kazarian)
    * Drew Galloway vs. Carlito Colon
    * Tommy Dreamer and Ivelisse Velez vs. Joey Ryan and Candice LeRae
    * Colt Cabana vs. Eric Young vs. Robbie E.
    * The Adrenaline Express vs. Tony Nese and Jigsaw
    * Wes Draven vs. Bandido Jr. vs. Sam Shields vs. Chris Sabin
    * Chuck Taylor vs. Johnny Gargano
    * Veda Scott vs. Hania
    * Jorge Santi vs. Damien Darling
    * Alex Reynolds vs. Orange Cassidy

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  85. I have to admit, I am one of those people adopting the Royals as my playoff team this year. They always make it interesting.

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  86. Solid card for free

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  87. Yeah I'm bored tonight so I'm taking a look at it while watching baseball.

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  88. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    Watching them run for days is fun. With Cain and Dyson in the lineup and GORE GORE GORE on the bench, they're gonna make the Angels nervous every time on

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  89. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    Come on Sexton Godshaw, do your thing

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  90. SF and DC stick out like Kate Upton in a doorway.

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  91. Gore can flat out fly. The jump he had last night was just unfair.

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  92. No-one knows what offsides is. Or icing.

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  93. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:56 PM

    Yes! OH K K KAAAAY

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  94. And now your between innings entertainment.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sTBzhhuDgw

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  95. That is basically UFC today.


    They will be struggling big time in two years. Its a dirty sport and more skill than before which means less slugfests and more holds.

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  96. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    That trio probably makes up half of the six fastest players in the league, along with Billy Hamilton, Dee Gordon, and Brett Gardner

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  97. That's being kind in your part. In '87/88, Hogan vs. Andre matches in the south/JCP territory didn't draw at all.

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  98. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    I'd like to hit it high, deep, and gone with Erin Andrews

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  99. A wrestler/baseball player or team is only responsible for getting over in the ring/on the field. The marketing is on the promoter. If we get O's vs Royals and the ratings are low then that's on MLB for letting the world believe the only team that matters is Derek Jeter.

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  100. $10 says Puig goes deep here

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  101. Puig is an asshole and horrible for the game.

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  102. Wainwright is struggling.

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  103. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    BOOOOO

    He's awesome, lots of power, rocket arm, endless motor, and loves to play. Baseball needs more of him, less Brian McCanns

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  104. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:07 PM

    PUUUUUIIIIIGGGGG

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  105. It's not as boring as Football, or Soccer.

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  106. He's a drama queen. He needs to grow up a bit.

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  107. I think baseball needs a bit of character. Not a whole lot but I'm tired of everyone acting like robots

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  108. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    I like they're making him work deep counts often, he's not gonna make it seven unless he starts to buzz saw guys on three pitches or less

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  109. If Puig kept the bat on his shoulders, he would have walked on 4 straight in that at bat

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  110. There's a difference between being a bit of a character and whining and starting fights every time you are hit by a pitch.

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  111. So I finally saw Winter Soldier last night. It was okay, but I really don't get why everybody was calling it one of the best superhero movies ever. Am I missing something or is this just a case of people liking the S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America mythos was more than me?

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  112. He talked with Wainwright after getting hit and got over it. Molina kept yapping

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  113. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    He's 23 and has only lived in the States for two years after defecting. He'll grow. But as long as he keeps coming up with big plays that helps the Dodgers win, he could do the Happy Gilmore bull dance for all I care. Better that than busts like Jesus Montero who don't give a shit about their career

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  114. There are some aspects that need to be toned down but overall he's been a breath of fresh air.

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  115. Awful at-bat for Wainwright. He can barely locate the plate

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  116. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    You mean like the civil butt pat he and Waino had? WHAT A DICK, UNDERSTANDING HE DIDNT GET HIT ON PURPOSE

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  117. Get hit by a 90-mph pitch and tell me you wouldn't feel like fighting somebody.

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  118. I just had a scary moment when my headphones that I only bought a month ago dropped out in one ear. Luckily the jack had just been slightly dislodged. Awesome friday night stories.

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  119. Extant1979 - Ghetto SuperstarOctober 3, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    After work I finally went to Time Warner Cable to drop off my cable box - at the mall, on a Friday night. While there, the CSR told me that my internet sucked because my modem was old. Got a new modem/router and have spent the last 20 minutes connected all my mobile devices to my new Wi-Fi.


    Good times...

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  120. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    Probably a bit of both. It's a great shakeup for the MCU as a whole, but it's also a well crafted and exciting movie on its own two feet

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  121. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    Welcome back 2011 MATT Kemp (minus the stolen bases).

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  122. Good lord. Its one of the most boring sports on the planet.

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  123. Wainwright really fell apart after hitting Puig. It definitely was the turning point of the game.

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  124. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    A-Gon put the team Spirit Meter to SPECIAL once he got in Yadi's face

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  125. I hope this stops the silliness from some Cardinals fans clamoring for the Cy Young to be awarded to Wainwright instead of Kershaw. Yeah, using a single game is pretty silly to use as a sample, but it's all right because Wainwright for Cy Young was a silly argument to begin with.

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  126. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    That was a serious argument?

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  127. Exactly. I hate how Bob Arum (boxing promoter) was openly throwing his own fighter, Guillermo Rigondeaux, under the bus because his style is "boring" and Arum's basically too lazy and uncreative to figure out a way to promote him.

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  128. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    He never arrived in Boston. They played his luggage in LF for a season and a half.

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  129. Just look at Wyatt/Cena for an example of what I'm talking about.

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  130. I think Halloween Havoc was their big show under Bischoff.

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  131. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    I'm watching Smackdown because I have SyFy and not Fox Sports 1 on my totally properly used streaming service for overseas Americans.

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  132. They don't air the games on the Armed Forces Network?

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  133. Damn, it took a while but just finished a 300-gig movie download and got a lot of my old collection back. I'm missing a few, but at least I've got most of them again.

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  134. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    What happened to it

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  135. 300 gig movie download? What the heck

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  136. Sold it all at various times when I needed the money and have just gone awhile with nothing.

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  137. Extant1979 - Ghetto SuperstarOctober 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    That's my laptop's whole hard drive.

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  138. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    Maybe they do. This service has ESPN and TBS as far as being able to watch the current round of games.

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  139. Got a 2 terabyte external drive.

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  140. If your job title is promoter shouldn't you know how to do that with anyone? I remember at IYH Mind Games Lawler joked about Mankind winning and Vince said something about marketing working hard to figure out a way to promote him.

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  141. I like it when they cut to the crowd during huge Smackdown pops and you can see people getting up to go and piss and playing withtheir phones and such. It happened just now with Sheamus.

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  142. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    Off to the bar to watch the rest, so see you folks later. GO BLUE

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  143. That's a lot of porn.

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  144. Alright, what is everyone's World Series Predictions?


    I got Baltimore vs. San Francisco

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  145. Weird that it is only 5:23 PM there.

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  146. My mistake, the comment about "never learning to put together a match" I took issue with was actually from Peter F, not you. Didn't notice there were two separate people slamming Shawn in the same thread because, to be honest, it's so rarely done (at least about his ring work; we can mostly all agree he was a douche in the 90s). Apologies.


    That said, I'd say Sid, Diesel, maybe Razor, Tatanka, 2002-04 Trips, 90s Taker, Chris Masters, Young Batista, Young Orton, Jeff Jarrett, and DiBiase Jr were all pretty broom-sticky, at least as much as anybody Bret or Benoit or Flair carried to a "great" match. Nobody's getting ***** out of, say, Khali, at least not without some miracle booking.


    I mean, it seems most of the people listed when we talk about Bret "carrying" someone are on that same list; Sid, Diesel, 90s, Taker, Razor (again maybe). But the famously great Bret matches are against A+ workers like Shawn, Owen, Perfect, Flair, and Benoit. The famous Flair matches are generally with Sting (good worker, not a great one), Vader, Savage, Steamboat, Motivated Luger, etc. "Broomstick" matches are dragging slugs to "good" matches not putting on miracle *****s with any random tub, at least to me, since aside from Shawn/Taker '97, none of those really exist, and that one had a lot of booking help (Better Enemies is close too, but I'm slightly higher on Nash than most people are and would put him a notch about "random tub").


    But here I came to apologize, and instead I'm arguing again, which I said I didn't intend to do. Anyhow, sorry for the confusion.

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  147. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    The heat machine is hilarious. People are sitting on their hands going crazy, apparently.

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  148. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

    I was going with Washington-LA Angels, and I'm sticking with it for now.

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  149. That was my original pick but since the Nats lost Game 1 with Strasburg, I'm hopping off.

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  150. @ people who know about baseball: Who is the most nondescript team in MLB? I was always led to believe it was the Royals but now they're in the playoffs and exciting and everything. I like pointless sports teams.

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  151. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    The Giants, man. They just seem to play at a totally different level in the postseason.

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  152. Extant1979 - Ghetto SuperstarOctober 3, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    They'll do that no matter who wins the series.

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  153. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    San Diego, by far.

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  154. That "force" hit 8 HRS and 14 doubles.

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  155. They have an identity. They are young and (semi)cheap

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  156. Yeah you just can't bet against them.

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  157. Extant1979 - Ghetto SuperstarOctober 3, 2014 at 6:27 PM

    I have one of those for photos at work. I need to have them buy me a new one soon.

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  158. They don't even have a cable network anymore lol.


    Oh and another is the Indians. We had the worst home attendance and garnered the worst road attendance meaning nobody in road ballparks wanted to see them. Tribe were getting 10,000 for some weekend games.

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  159. #JETERWINSLOL

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  160. Crawford is a far better hitter now than when he was in Tampa? You are silly Harold.

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  161. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    I will elaborate and say that they pitch well, but their huge park stunts their offense. No one player really stands out, but they have several talented guys. They annually win 75-80 games a season. So they don't outright suck, but they can't put a winning season together consistently.

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  162. I could do without the spot in every Divas/Knockouts match when they do the Lou Thesz press but instead of throwing punches, grab the girl's head and slam it into the mat repeatedly. It's too "cat fight" and amateur-looking.

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  163. My vote would go to the Twins. Gardenhire was there for 12 years TWELVE! And no one ever called for his firing. They just existed. Now they will hire another old guy that will stay another 12 years and just be there.

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  164. Too cat fight and amateur looking? So basically just like the rest of the match?

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  165. He still had it as recently as '05, where he randomly had a near-great match with Angle on Smackdown. He wasn't quite Shawn, but he was a high-level baby face worker for sure. In any other industry, his failure to make it would be a tragedy, but relative to the Perfect/Bulldog/Rude contingent I'd count him as lucky.

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  166. Terrible teams don't count, because they at least get coverage for how terrible they are. It's the teams that people try and pretend don't exist most of the time, regardless of their record. Like the Tennessee Titans or the Milwaukee Bucks, that kind of thing.

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  167. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    The Miami Marlins might be that team also. Even Miami folk don't come see them play. Expansion in Florida is a bad idea.

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  168. Wainwright sucked tonight

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  169. I can do without Divas/Knockouts matches

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  170. Was that the one held in Chicago?

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  171. Sell him as an untouchable defensive wizard. Sell him as the Olympic gold medalist who escaped Cuba for a better life. Sell him as the next Floyd (style-wise). But to just throw your hands up like, "He's not a brawler. What can I do?" is not doing your job.

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  172. Giants win the world series every year that ends with an even number apparently.

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  173. I just glanced up at the Smackdown main event out of curiosity and they have just thrown in the towel on that show. Is it still taped on Tuesdays or before Raw?

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  174. Jokingly told my girlfriend her butt get squishier every day. Even at 103lbs, she was not amused.

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  175. Using screams/shrieks to sell is annoying too.

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  176. I think Jericho was in one in ECW, so that'd be 1995 or early 1996? The first one I remember was the tag team four corners match at Summerslam 1996 so I assume it had been around awhile elsewhere.

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  177. I don't know why girls don't appreciate a fat ass.

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  178. No matter how thin a girl is you can always push that button.

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  179. Also let her know that *I* would never talk to her like that.

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  180. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Still taped in Tuesday. But the main event Bayless posted is not the true main event. It's Cena/Ambrose vs. Kane/Orton.....again.

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  181. Miami has Stanton and their ballpark as reasonable attractions. Arizona is kind of forgettable, as is San Diego.

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  182. No more movies for guys who like movies?

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  183. My Supercard at the moment is "Benoit"... I hope I don't choke.

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  184. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    That seems to be the going trend.

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  185. Its a joke. Go smoke some more poison while the adults talk.

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  186. Stranger in the AlpsOctober 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    There's a Benoit card?

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  187. No. My opponents name... it is a user name.

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