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Big Show Face/Heel turns

Scott, 

After some discussion about it on Sunday in the Survivor Series live thread, here is (what I believe to be) the complete list of Big Show face/heel turns. Sadly, done mostly from memory. 

- Joe 

The Giant/Big Show Face-Heel Turns.

 

·            1995 – Starts out as a heel in the Dungeon of Doom.

·            July/August, 1996 – Becomes a de facto face in the WCW v. nWo feud as World Champion, feuding with and losing the WCW Title to "Hollywood" Hogan.

·            September, 1996 –  Joins nWo, turns heel against WCW.

·            December, 1996 – Turns face against the nWo, rejoins WCW to feud with Hogan and The Outsiders.

·            May, 1998 – Turns against WCW, joins the nWo Hollywood faction. Feuds with Sting, Kevin Nash.

·            January 1999 – When the nWo reforms, gets dumped by the Hollywood faction and beaten by Kevin Nash who becomes the "Giant" of the nWo.

 

Debuts in WWF/E.

 

·            February 14, 1999 – Debuts at St. Valentine's Day Massacre as part of Vince McMahon's corporation, definitely as a heel. Starts to rub the Rock the wrong way though.

·            March 25, 1999 – Punches Vince McMahon in the face at the end of his match v. Mankind, becomes babyface and joins the U.N.I.O.N against Shane McMahon.

·            July, 1999 – Forms heel team with Undertaker against the tag champions Kane & X-Pac, beating them at Summerslam for the belts and losing them to the Rock & Sock Connection.

·            October, 1999 – Undertaker injury leaves Show directionless, starts angle with Boss Man over dying father to become a babyface again. Beats HHH to win the WWF Title to cement the face turn at Survivor Series.

·            January, 2000 – Takes offense to the Rock calling people "jabronies," becomes heel again. Aligns himself with Shane McMahon.

·            April, 2000 – Becomes happy-go-lucky face the night after WrestleMania. Feuds with Kurt Angle and Shane McMahon. Does an injury angle in May 2000.

·            July,2000 – Returns from injury and turns heel to feud with a now babyface Undertaker, but is almost immediately sent to OVW to lose weight.

·            January 2001 – Returns at the 2001 Royal Rumble, still a heel. Feuds with Rock and Kane.

·            July 2001 – Becomes a babyface when the WWE v. Alliance feud takes over the storylines. Aligned with the WWF, against the Alliance.

·            May, 2002 – Turns heel, aligns with Ric Flair over snub of not being on the WrestleMania X-8 card.

·            October 2002 – Heels on Eric Bischoff because his talents are being wasted on Raw, gets traded to Smackdown as a result.

·            October 2002 – Arrives on Smackdown as a babyface and goes heel immediately, taking out the Undertaker and beating Brock Lesnar in a heel v. heel match for the WWE Title (Heyman turns and joins Big Show, turning Brock babyface). This is a pretty prolific heel run, contending for the World title on multiple ppvs, feuding with the Undertaker, winning the US title and starting his never-ending feud with John Cena. This run ended when in April 2004 he lost a loser gets fired match to Eddie Guerrero and threw Kurt Angle off a ledge or something.

·            September 2004 – Returns to Smackdown to feud with heel GM Kurt Angle, making him a babyface. Stays a babyface through a feud with Angle, JBL, and Carlito before being drafted over to Raw in 2005. Teams with Kane to win tag titles.

·            July 4, 2006 – Gets drafted to ECW and turns heel, aligning with Paul Heyman and beating RVD for the ECW Title. Stays heel for the end of this run until December to Dismemeber in 2006 when he loses the World Title to Bobby Lashely.

 

Big Show leaves the company in December 2006 and is out until No Way Out, February 2007.

 

·            Returns at No Way Out as ostensibly a babyface, then goes heel in Floyd Mayweather confrontation. Show wrestled mostly as a heel, but the face/heel dynamics in the Mayweather feud changed seemingly weekly, ending at Mania 24 with Big Show getting most of the babyface heat at Mayweather most of the heel heat. I think.

·            Definitely a face after WrestleMania 24, feuding with the Great Khali.

·            September 2008 – Turns heel against the Undertaker, aligns with Vicki Guerrero. Some pretty good heel moments here, including his affair with Vicki and tag teams with Chris Jericho ("Jeri-show") and The Miz ("Show-Miz").

·            April 2010 – Turns on Miz after losing the belts to the Hart Dynasty, becoming a face and moving to Smackdown. Feuded with World Champion Jack Swagger and CM Punk's Straight Edge Society, and into 2011 had a pretty great feud with Mark Henry.

·            June, 2012 – Gets fired by Johnny Laurenitis on a Monday and turns heel on John Cena the following Sunday. Pretty effective heel run here, winning the World title and dropping it to the bland Alberto Del Rio, making him an interesting face for a bit.

·            March/April 2013 – Aligns himself with faces Sheamus & Randy Orton to fight the Shield, then turns on them after a losing effort at WrestleMania 29.

·            September, 2013 – Becomes a whipping boy for "The Authority," doing bad things because he had no choice. Turns face and feuds with Orton.

·            November, 23, 2014 – Turns heel against John Cena and joins the Authority; issues a "mea culpa" to the fans that goes unaccepted and remains a heel. 

​I believe the actual number was calculated to be 32 by the uber-nerds of the wrestling world​, so you're actually a few short here, believe it or not.  Mind-blowing, I know.  Makes Lex Luger look like a stable personality.  

Comments

  1. It's actually quite comical. You would think they would bring it up or at the very least make that part of his gimmick where no one on the roster likes the guy. Does he even say something in the back to Steph or whoever like "ok, this is just ridiculous now."

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  2. Mitch, The GodfatherNovember 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    I think it's pretty accurate on the WWF side. The Raw vs. Smackdown buildup to Survivor Series 2005 was confusing as hell because Kane and Big Show were heels when up against Smackdown but faces anytime else.

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  3. This email seems suspicious. Just why did this man and wife feel they, "had to check it out" seems awfully suspicious. And now they watch every show every week. VERY suspicious. Judging by all the typos Id say this is WWE creative trying to push the product while looking for constructive criticism at the same time. The way the WWE is using interns to place miles onto various wrestling areas around the net is a very aggressive move on WWE's part. I gotta commend them for that. Smart stuff.

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  4. At this point, when Paul Wight shows up for work, he probably cant remember half of the time if he is heel or face...

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  5. He swapped between heel and face about three times during his last RAW promo.

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  6. Big Show throwing Angle off the ledge is the greatest moment ever on Smackdown.

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  7. YES. The pool of blood under his head and the leg grotesquely twisted under him really made it.

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  8. That list is quite incredible.

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  9. Big Show/Big Bossman had one of my favorite feuds of all time....

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  10. very suspicious email

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  11. I want to know what face/heel turns I'm missing!

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  12. I might be the only person on the planet that didn't find the big show's dad funeral thing funny. I just found it cruel and awkward.

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  13. Like in the WCW side, I counted all his time with the Dungeon of Doom as a heel, but he had a mini-feud with Loch Ness and actually beat Flair for the World title, then was back to feuding with Sting and Luger. Is that a face and heel turn there?

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  14. I'd even DQ one of the 2002 turns. you said he turned heel, then later "heeled on bischoff". So unless he turned "heelER", that shouldn't count.

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  15. Okay, he was a heel, then got in Bischoff's face which turned him face and got him over to Stephanie's Smackdown, then went heel on Undertaker that night to Stephanie's shock. So there in that week I have him going heel-face-heel.

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  16. The only time I have found him interesting was the month he did impersonations in 2000, culminating with the Showster. Thats pretty much it. Not great for a guy with 20 yrs in the business

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  17. Paul Wight has split personality disorder

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  18. How can Big Show surfing on his father's coffin behind the Blue's mobile not put a smile on your face?

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  19. cause his dad died, and someone is desacrating his memory, and he's desperately trying to hold on to what's left of his memory of him... I guess I just don't have a sense of humor. :)

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  20. What couple spends 7 hours a week watching wrestling together? Especially new fans? Aren't there Netflix series or something to binge watch, instead?

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  21. At least it was a real reason to feud as opposed to some of the crap we get nowadays...

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  22. so you don't consider that crap? did you also love Kennel from Hell?

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  23. Big Show should cut vignettes with him backstage talking to himself like Gollum.

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  24. Nobody loved that...

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  25. Finally an email that doesn't mention Montreal or fixing the invasion.

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  26. I know its been said already but they should have him act like nothing happened Sunday.

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  27. Bossman was such an awesome heel in 99.

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  28. Based on WWE creative, I would venture a 50/50 guess that this could happen.

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  29. He was still a heel at that point. He never actually turned face for those feuds. Actually, I think Loch Ness was built as the face for their match. The Flair match was just heel vs. heel that stemmed from a coffee incident. I remember watching the night the Giant beat Flair for the belt, which stunned me because I thought Flair would win and this big guy would disappear off TV. Silly me.

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  30. I thought it was just plain stupid.

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  31. Another "turn" worth noting: during his year-long disappearance from WWE in 2007-2008, he wrestled Hulk Hogan as Paul "The Great" Wight (get it?) as a heel in Memphis at the 2007 Clash of Legends.

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  32. Kind of like George on Seinfeld...

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  33. If you have the Network, go watch the 1988 Survivor Series, specifically Andre's match.


    Then watch this Sunday's Survivor Series main event, and realize that Paul Wight and Andre are THE SAME AGE in those matches.

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  34. What? That? Teasing!

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  35. And somehow, that lead to a FACE TURN!

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  36. The son outlives the father!

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  37. On the one hand, what's really THAT different about watching 7 hours a week of Orange Is The New Black and 7 hours of watching WWE programming? If it's what you like, it's what you like.

    On the other hand, that's an impressive and highly suspect dedication to WWE programming born very quickly. It's enough to make you wonder if this man and his wife are both somewhat autistic and create that laser-like focus and need for completion as a result of a condition.

    IF this is on the level.

    I find this sentence very, very odd:

    "I firmly believe most people would like wrestling if they gave it a shot."

    Really? Because I can't think of anything besides food, air and water that I would consider this to be true of and CERTAINLY not of what has always been, since day one, a niche form of entertainment geared towards specific demographics.

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  38. He left WWE as a heel though in 2006.

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  39. I'm sure there's a continuous influx of new viewers every year: it's retaining them that's the problem. Interesting personalities, compelling stories, and a staleness to the product lead to newly-created fans outgrowing and losing interest in the business eventually. It completely jibes with the stats we hear about slowly shrinking audiences and aging fans. An entire generation of young fans have come along, seen John Cena on top, seen the show have a certain look, sound & feel, and have grown to adulthood and *nothing has changed*. Remember that this is a business in which there was a time where after six months or a year of an hour's worth of TV a week you were expected to move on to another territory. They are a good half decade past the point where they needed to shake things up.

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  40. This emailer wasn't around for either of those things.

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  41. I feel like Dean Ambrose is the guy on this roster best placed to become that guy who can capture the imagination of the general public again.

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  42. It blows my mind that they've stuck with John Cena as the top guy since 2005. That's like 10 years. Hogan didn't get that kind of run. Neither did Austin. Why CENA? I just -- after all these years -- don't see what is *SPECIAL* about him.

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  43. Ah. Well I guess he deserves credit for maintaining that persona then!

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  44. He's new. Give him time.

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  45. The big question is, was Captain Insano a face or a heel?

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  46. It's not so much that he's special, it's that Vince has been able to get more mileage out of him. Consider:

    1) Hogan wanted to bail and do movies once he became the man. He failed at it, but was at least able to leverage a part-time schedule that forced McMahon to find a replacement. When Hogan realized he was going to be replaced, he bailed for WCW where he could pull his part-time schedule crap.


    2) Austin was too injured and too f'ed up on booze (and perhaps painkillers) to keep going much longer once he became the man. He ended up being paranoid about losing his spot.



    It's worth noting that Hogan was 30 when he kicked off Hulkamania in 1984 and Austin was 34 when he won the title at Mania 14 (with bad knees and a broken neck). Cena was 28 when he won his first WWE title. While that might not seem like a huge difference in age, it is in terms of the much-safer "main event style" that he has wrestled most of his career he is in much better shape at 37 now than either Hogan or Austin was at 37.

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  47. Yep. Right up there with Taker attempting to murder Paul Bearer with concrete... so Monster heel turn, right? NOPE! he just tells Heyman "If i'm willing to do that to someone I care about, just think what i'll do to you." Um... Yay???

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  48. Exactly. Even in recapping RAW for this blog from 1996 to 1998 you see a healthy rotation of stars. HBK was on top, then Bret for a while, and then Austin. Meanwhile, you had rising stars from the midcard that included Austin, the Rock, Mankind, etc. You also saw the influx of new or returning talent such as Jeff Jarrett, Marc Mero, Vader, Edge, etc. that kept things fresh. These days we have lots of guys that have just overstayed their welcome because there's nowhere for them to go.

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  49. Why would the Big Show turn on Team Cena? The Big Show would never do anything like that!

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  50. Some Heels are so effective. Austin was basically torturing and beating up an old man and had the best face reactions of all time.

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  51. Pretty sure he was a face until he turned heel by making fun of Bobby Boucher

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  52. Plus Cena benefited from Lesnar leaving the company for the NFL. If Lesnar doesn't bolt, we may not have seen Cena as the company's staple guy as soon as we did.

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  53. I think he was a heel. He made fun of the Waterboy right (or at least in his dreams)?!?

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  54. Yeah, I've had this discussion with my older brother. My older brother watched from the early 80s up until Lesnar left. He's convinced that if Lesnar never left, Cena wouldn't have ended up the face of the company. I find it hard to disagree, but I also don't see Lesnar being the company guy that Vince would've wanted. It would've been different, at least.

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  55. Well, with the brand split you can make the case that the Cena rise was inevitable. If you assume Brock stayed from 2002 to present (which might be hard to argue because of Brock's UFC success and maybe he would've gone there if not the NFL), then at the very least we might've gotten a rotation between Brock and Cena. Then again, the casualty of all this might be Orton and we might be getting Brock-Cena for the 56,124th time.

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  56. They need to write feuds that seem real, that have actual stakes attached to them, and create more compelling characters that people want to see. They also need to do what Austin, DDP, and other guys have said a million times over and that is to portray this stuff as real. Constantly reminding the audience that what they are watching is not real hurts the spectacle. Embarrassing stuff like New Year's Baby Big Show and the whole Bunny crap need to be scrapped as well. Oh, and a new set and look would be nice. It's so refreshing when they do Old School RAW because things just look new.

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  57. Reading for a couple of months? Get this newb the fuck outtahere!!!

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  58. I guess it would all depend on when the brand split ended. There was only a very brief time that Smackdown and Raw were considered "equal". I figure once Heyman was gone as the Smackdown writer and the World title and WWE title switched brands (and by extension, John Cena switched to RAW) in June 2005 that Raw once again became the dominant "brand" by a significant margins

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  59. Too bad he's just a comedy jobber now, using Carrot top like props to get a laugh. [/WorstInTheWorld]

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  60. NO ICE PACK FOR HIM!

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  61. The original plan was for Taker to turn heel and work with Eddie at Summerslam, but things sadly changed.

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  62. You are not a true Blogite until you read the Buzz on Professional Wrestling.

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  63. It's Cena's amazing marketability and his loyalty to Vince that has trapped WWE. They either can't or won't risk the sure business he brings in to cycle new guys into the top spot. The best thing that could have happened to WWE would have been Cena leaving to face new challenges elsewhere 5 years ago. I sometimes wonder if the whole reason Vince got into movie-making was to keep guys around who got the itch to go to Hollywood...

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  64. Reading for a couple of months, but reading pretty faithfully. Everybody's a newb sometime.

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  65. What's that, and where do I find it?

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  66. In order to be accepted, you need to go through the hazing process we all went through. First off you need to email Scott Keith and tell him he did a great job raising a piano prodigy, only for Scott to flip out on you and tell you that his daughter lost both her hands, while we all laugh at you.

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  67. Wrestling's more fun to talk about, and easier to do other stuff while it's going on. Plus it's something we can watch and analyze on multiple levels--storyline, wrestling skill, in and out of kayfabe...

    We also watch football and listen to sports radio together--big Seahawks fans

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  68. We're not autistic, or anything like that. I think wrestling offers more variety than most fiction. It's action improv-comedy stunt-fighting soap opera, so there's something no matter what mood you're in.

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  69. Y'all are suspicious

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  70. Haha he is like carrot top now

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  71. Scott's first book that's no longer in print. It's a pretty bad book filled with lots of typos.

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  72. He thinks the invasion was the Nexus

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  73. Those shoes have character depth, storytelling, and twists and turns. Wrestling no longer makes sense and just frustrates an audience

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  74. Wrestling generaly has less improv now as they want to control every second that airs.

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  75. I know, and that's too bad. Theworst thing comparing now to the Attitude Era is the loss of that feeling that anything can happen. I hope they get back that way a little bit.

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  76. I hope the WWE is doing that, but this is just me. I watch the show every week because I don't have the attention span for most TV. I can do other things and converse with my wife while wrestling is on, or I can focus in on a match or promo at will. It also has a greater variety than other TV, more like a sporting event.

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  77. No I don't.

    And I wasn't around for the Nexus either anyway.

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  78. Yeah, I think I'll skip that one--what's the next step?

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  79. I think the idea of a guy who's incredibly untrustworthy but still fundamentally a good guy is interesting.


    Like, he wants to be a face, but it's easier to be a heel, so he vacillates between doing the right thing and doing the wrong thing whenever he's pushed too hard.



    I mean, yeah he turns a lot, but he's always pretty much the same character.

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  80. Wow, such a drastic change in just 2 weeks.

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  81. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

    They've had a lot of other star power leave since then. Benoit and Eddie died, Michaels, Edge, and Flair retired, and HHH, Jericho, and Taker may as well have. And the only replacements have been Punk and Bryan, one of which quit, the other may never come back and if he does his days as a main event guy are probably over. Pretty much everyone else is either stuck in the midcard (Ziggler, the Shield, Wyatt Family) due to petty shit or good old horseshit booking, and then you have guys that have been around forever who's heat is pretty much gone (Kane, Henry, Show) or didn't have much heat to begin with (Sheamus). This roster is a fucking mess.

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  82. Adam "Colorado" CurryNovember 26, 2014 at 12:22 AM

    Fuck the Seahawks.

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  83. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:25 AM

    The last time The Big Show was interesting to me was... (thinking)... when he was undefeated (for a month) on Raw and then Austin pinned him on Raw in March '99. 15 years of fat slob since. Just like Mark Henry but add 3 years.

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  84. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:26 AM

    He was a heel. He insulted the fan that marked out for him.

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  85. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:28 AM

    He was still a heel during all that. He never slapped hands and cut mean guy promos on babyfaces,

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  86. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    The title win over Flair was TAPED (omg) and the last taped World title win I wouldn't be spoiled of (got AOL in July 96). Watching it fresh I was like "OMG THIS IS AMAZING" and every taped title win after I was like "Yeah, here it comes...". Internet, sigh. Techno-pessimist. :(

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  87. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    Luckily, Angle only landed on his leg. LOL wtf

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  88. CruelConnectionNumber2November 26, 2014 at 12:32 AM

    And they squashed Bobby Lindsey. And his heat went POOF.

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  89. You and I think alike. I actually dug the promo on RAW and thought that was where they were going with it… which they maybe kinda half-assedly are?

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  90. Huh?


    His entire debut was destroyed by costing McMahon the match like an idiot. And his Sheamus-Mark Henry feuds are by far his career peak.

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  91. He's still a face.

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  92. Face. Bobby Boucher was a creepy stalker.

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  93. Just have him say he's got an evil twin, and Big Show was 'AWOL' when the turn in question happened. Have someone investigate it, and discover that WWE IS paying him twice. The authority figure says unless Big Show gets his twin out there, he's fired. Big Show finds a way... and then they book a match:

    BIG SHOW VS THE GIANT.

    Which, naturally, involves Big Show faring off against Ricky Steamboat on stilts wearing a wig. Vince comes out, buries the segment, and fires... Big Show. On Raw The Giant returns and feuds with John Cena, a fresh rivalry for the ages.

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  94. I love that he turned and lost, that's on the edge of brilliant booking for me.


    Like, how many times does a heel turn result in a guy losing the match? He threw in hard for the Authority and he lost and they lost and he's FUCKED.


    I like it, and while I don't like Show, I think he's a decent enough actor to make it work.

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  95. Best use of the Big Show I can remember in recent history is easily his use in JeriShow and I feel that is the best place for him to be - in a tag team (or as a bodyguard) with a smaller, dislikeable heel. This makes said heel a much bigger threat in my opinion.

    He'd work perfect as Rollins bodyguard right now - although to be fair the security aren't doing a bad job.

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  96. It made me mad because I'd always wanted to see a double cage match like that with the regular cage inside the HIAC cage, and the one time they do it, it's the Kennel from Hell match.

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  97. I've come up the perfect use for Sting.
    Put him in a tag team with Big Show and every night have Show turn on him, Sting acts shocked and the following night they go back to tagging.

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  98. I'm amazed by the amount of negative comments towards a guy just because he's a new fan.
    It doesn't matter if he started watching in 2014, 2004, 1994 or 1984, a fan is a fan.
    Considering that WWE need to bring in and keep new fans surely having members that are new fans surely having a "newer fan" on the site will be useful to gauge how well the casual fans know a classic wrestler or reference.

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  99. Why you gotta throw a random jab at Alberto Del Rio?

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  100. It makes no sense to you and frustrates you.

    Clearly, there's an audience out there that feels the exact opposite.

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  101. "I might be the only one..." lol

    That feud was Russo-shitirific amd I don't see it on anyone's "best" list. C'mon man.

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  102. Big Show should wear a fake mustache when he's a heel to let everyone know. When it's off, you know he's a face.

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  103. No, you aren't. At the time smarks complained pretty consistently about it. Now it's OMG that was so awesome remember dudeswhen big shows daddy died hahahaha good times bra

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  104. My wife and I used to watch 5 or 6 hours pretty regularly for a number of years with Raw, SD, and Impact. I finally lost her because she couldn't stand CM Punk.

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  105. Seriously, this thread section is the first time I have ever seen people not say "that was the funniest thing ever, what an awesome feud". I am pleasantly surprised.

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  106. I think that my favourite Big Show run was the Smackdown one against Lesnar.

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  107. Yeah, it was pure unadulterated garbage.


    I remember being 19 watching that shit and going, "Come on, get to the next thing. This is stupid."

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  108. It's funny because it's true.

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  109. Just like Kane, I never really had a problem with Big Show, mostly cause he's never really been "The guy". He's mostly used in placeholder feuds, like the "opponent of the month" to fill up a PPV here and there, then drops back down.

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