Friday, March 6, 2015

Lesnar theory

Scott,
    I know you're sick of Lesnar/Reigns questions; but isn't this "Lesnar walks out on the WWE right before WrestleMania" story a little too hard to believe.  I mean this literally sounds like a copycat angle from over a decade ago.  Could it all be a work to pump up Reigns as a sympathetic face conquering this arrogant jerk who wants to walk out on the company?  The WrestleMania crowds are usually mark-ish and there's no way Lesnar get booed unless its a Goldberg scenario where the crowd knows he's leaving.  Better yet, what does Vince do when the crowd KNOWS Brock is leaving, and they STILL cheer him and boo Reigns?
 
 
​I'm amused how people now even preface questions with "I know you're sick of this question..." and then ask it anyway.  

If it was a work, what possible motivation would Dana White have for going along with it?  And why would they suddenly have an idea for getting Reigns over as a babyface now after months of failing to do so?  And why make your big hail mary attempt at getting him over an angle where literally only 1% or less of the audience is even going to understand?  ​

215 comments:

  1. Only 3 more weeks of this, yay!

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  2. "If it was a work, what possible motivation would Dana White have for going along with it?"

    If I wanted to play along with this theory I don't believe in, maybe Dana's getting worked, too. And that's as much devil's advocate as I'll play here. *Returns from Quik-E-Mart*

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  3. What's most sad about it to me is that even though the decision still sucked, Reigns- and the way they're presenting him, more importantly- has been really good since the Rumble. I guess the part that's actually sad is that it doesn't matter, because you can't blame people for being close-minded about that. The damage was already done.

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  4. Battle Kat LitterMarch 6, 2015 at 6:09 AM

    I hate modern developments in wrestling camera work. The constant switching, shaky cams and nauseating zooming in and out are all utterly pointless. TNA is worse. I find matches literally unwatchable on Impact.

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  5. MaffewOfBotchamaniaMarch 6, 2015 at 6:12 AM

    Internet wrestling fans right now: Chicken Little

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  6. I agree with this. I'm not sure how it was in the last days of Spike, but on Destination America the matches are definitely unwatchable. Just set a camera on the ring, how hard is that to do? I think they feel that being busy with the camera work is more creative, but all it is is distracting.

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  7. Why do people think everyone will boo Lesnar if they know he's leaving? This isn't 2004 for a ton of reasons.

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  8. I'm not sure I understand your premise. What about now would be so different that fans wouldn't get on Lesnar if they knew he was leaving for UFC?

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  9. Because people are generally fed up of having Reigns raped down our throats.

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  10. Hey Scott, I know you're sick of this questions but... Blue/black or white/brown?

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  11. I don't think it's something that most fans even notice. I made mention of this to my buddy- who's a hardcore fan and knows terms like kayfabe, work/shoot, blah blah blah but isn't as smarky as the average BOD poster- when we were at Raw and he didn't even know what I was talking about. I don't know if this means that playing to the hard camera is a waste of time, or that it does what they want if most fans don't even notice it.

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  12. Gold. White/Gold

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  13. I always liked when the Rock did the people's elbow with his back to the camera. It seemed cooler.

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  14. That's a real stretch.

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  15. The camera should follow the wrestler not the wrestler following the camera

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  16. Is it? I havent seen this level of apathy from the crowd, smarks, the BOD in years. People just dont care.

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  17. I don't know. Maybe you're right. (Well, you're definitely right about the apathy.) I've stopped trying to figure out wrestling crowds, though. Shit, I've actually been shocked at the *positive* reaction Reigns has gotten from a couple of crowds since the Rumble. Since there's been so much talk about the Reigns backlash from so many places, I wouldn't be totally shocked if Reigns actually gets a positive reaction from the Mania crowd. Especially if Lesnar is leaving.

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  18. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieMarch 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM

    Non-Reigns? You're in the wrong place, mate.

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  19. Because people have more or less know/suspected Lesnar was leaving after WM since last year and it hasn't affected his crowd response.

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  20. Mike, the problem is, for me anyway. There's no one left to cheer anymore. Ambrose is a punchline, Bryan will never be the guy neither will Ziggler, Cena will continue to be boring, Lesnar even if he stays you'll hardly see him, Bray will do his yearly WM job. Orton will be stale again in a month. The only 2 people worth caring for is Reings and Rollins.

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  21. Belee_Matt!_INDEED!!!March 6, 2015 at 6:44 AM

    The SPORTS ENTERTAINER, PAL! THE SPORTS ENTERTAINER!

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  22. Theberzerker, #1 HUSS CHOMPIONMarch 6, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    2020 Theberzerker can't wait to read the books that will be written about this wretched period in wrestling history. 'Titan Sinking' was a good title for 1995, maybe one about this period should be called 'Are You Not Entertained?'

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  23. I've never believed Lesnar was headed back to MMA for a second and still don't, but the best part of that "Lesnar wants to wrestle and fight MMA at the same time and Vince said no" is the assumption that Dana would say yes.

    Vince would get a stiffy over one of his guys being a dominant UFC fighter (which Lesnar can't really be anymore, but let's assume), but Dana? Does anyone really think Dana would, for a second, be amenable to one of his top-level-visibility fighters ALSO "competing" in scripted pro wrestling matches? While the UFC is still struggling in some ways to legitimize itself further? And in need of more big names that can sell PPVs? If Lesnar DID come in and DID clean up, why would anyone think Dana would willingly invite the accusations of fighters being paid to take dives and fights being fixed that would follow a WWE wrestler also being a UFC title contender/champion simultaneously?

    And that's putting aside all the logistical concerns of Lesnar's training needs and availability. I mean, pro wrestling shape and MMA shape are not the same thing.

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  24. TheOriginalDonaldMarch 6, 2015 at 6:50 AM

    Only if Lesnar does the job to Rousey :P

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  25. Here's something funny: Apparently Cena is now the grizzled old guy, because Reigns is The NEW GENERATION. But Cena and Lesnar are the same age. So Lesnar must also be an old guy.

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  26. Yeah, but there's speculation and then there's actually knowing.

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  27. "his yearly WM job."
    I know, he's on a streak of one in a row. WILL IT EVER END?

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  28. It's true because then you can see the fans erupting in front of him.

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  29. In modern day, I'd say they're about the same with things like this and besides, with things like this, you'll never KNOW Lesnar is leaving/staying until he appears or doesn't appear on another show after the post-WM Raw.

    Also, look at the way wrestling fans react to speculation. Look at the reaction to that complete horseshit "Kalisto's getting repackaged as a gay hairdresser" story. Wrestling fans LOVE getting worked up over speculation and yet, here? With this speculation? Nothing.

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  30. You knew what I meant. Stop with your John Edwards impersonation.

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  31. No offence John Edwards!

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  32. Brock will get a fucking standing ovation from the crowd if its really his last match. He's going to be the fan favorite and no one will be mad he's leaving. This isn't 2004.

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  33. Well I said it because I liked his ass. But that too!

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  34. What about his ass do you like?

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  35. Because he's more popular now and a lot of fans are far less sympathetic to the wwe. I don't see anyway the crowd does anything but show him massive amounts of love.

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  36. I don't know. He jobbed to Rollins on Monday and the fans were dead for him and the match.

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  37. Great example was (still heel) Rock doing it on the ladder to Triple H @ Summerslam 98

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  38. and if he were to shoot on reigns...double that reaction

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  39. Yup, the summerslam 98 example above was great for that

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  40. Yes, shooting on Reigns seems very likely.

    Oy vey.

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  41. No I don't think he actually will was just saying.

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  42. If they don't work too hard camera, you'll be able to see how empty that side off the arena will be when Reigns isn't drawing as champ.

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  43. I was kidding. We're getting into a weird area arent we?

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  44. I think the boredom is causing our imaginations to go out of control...

    Much like The Reigns Train! Blasting down the Fast Lane to Wrestlemania!!!!!!!

    Choo-Chooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  45. I don't know what you mean, because I don't know Bray will job.

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  46. I don't think we are.

    I think we're finally being real.

    Let's go with this.

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  47. The way to get Reigns over is having him beat a bunch of guys.

    Instead he loses via roll up to Seth Rollins.

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  48. "If it was a work, what possible motivation would Dana White have for going along with it?"

    UFC invasion angle with Brock, Punk, and Heyman leading the invading force and losing every match by DQ after locking guys in the Herb Kunze Armbar and refusing to break the 5 count?

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  49. It's not a dress.


    It's a pair of shoes.

    Duh.

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  50. TIL BOConscience is an ass man.


    Yeah, he's an ass maaaaan!

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  51. I wouldn't be surprised if fans turn on Brock if they know for sure he's done. I think he's someone that fans at large will love if he's one of ours, but as soon as he's done, fuck him.
    That's not my opinion, just a reaction from the crowd that wouldn't surprise me at all.

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  52. I finally watched it yesterday and it came of even worse than I thought, since the ref wasn't originally paying attention. Rollins is trying to get him to look over, and Reigns is laying their like a goon, not even trying to kickout

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  53. Austin said it best on his podcast, there are 8 cameras out there, you don't need to play to the hard camera, someone will pick it up, its their job.

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  54. Vince choo-choo-chooses Reigns.

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  55. To be fair, it's not just age, but mileage and exposure. Brock hasn't been working 300 days per year for the last decade.

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  56. I’m way more excited at the thought of
    Brock going back to UFC then I am seeing him do a rematch with Reigns, then
    four months later a final match with Cena, followed four months after that by
    him returning the job to Taker, or whatever the boring WWE plan is for him.

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  57. It's just like 2004!

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  58. *Brock runs up to Vince and Dana*

    Boys boys......you BOTH can have me

    *Vince and Dana jumps and screams with joy€

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  59. Alex Riley is a way better booked babyface than Roman Reigns. Let that sink in.

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  60. You resemble that remark.

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  61. Plus, Dana's well aware of how hard pro-wrestling is on the body, fake or not. It'd be infinitely dumb for either he or Vince to just assume that Brock wouldn't/couldn't get hurt, thus screwing up plans for BOTH companies.

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  62. No way Vince would agree to that either. Good looking booking him like a bad ass if he gets KO'd.

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  63. "Are You Serious?".

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  64. The only answer is blue and dark brown/gold. ;)

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  65. Because fans aren't chanting "CM Punk sucks" at every show.

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  66. "He's hardcore!"

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  67. YankeesHoganTripleHFanMarch 6, 2015 at 7:51 AM

    "I will be so happy when HHH gains power." Wait did those words actually come out of the mouth of one Scott Keith?

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  68. What drives me crazy is when they hit a finisher and make sure to turn around and face the hard camera when they make the pin.

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  69. Reading comments below on whether fans will boo Brock due to speculation that he may be leaving, I would get such a wonderfully perverse kick out of the WM audience just chanting "UFC, UFC" during the match.

    A decade ago, the audience was pissed that the rookie that was handed everything was just walking away without returning any favors, but now he's Legitimate Badass UFC Champion Brock F'ing Lesnar and the audience is actively cheering for Vince to fail... the fans may just WANT Brock to leave and go back to bigger and better things, just to stick it to Vince.

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  70. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM

    The Apocalypse has begun!

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  71. I am completely on board with Lesnar going apeshit and winning all of the belts. Including the Diva's championship

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  72. TJ:

    Bigger waste of an awesome theme song?

    McIntyre or Riley?

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  73. Yup. Fans have known for years that Brock is on borrowed time and will probably go back to the UFC when his contract is up. And he still gets cheered.

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  74. It's because he's fucking awesome

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  75. Off topic, I'm one episode behind on NXT, but that show closing angle of Kevin Owens tossing Riley over the announce table like he wasn't shit was AWESOME!

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  76. If HHH wanted Dunn gone, it would have happened by now.

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  77. To be fair, they just don't have anymore ways to book John Cena so they use that logic to get by.

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  78. Riley. He had like a one month run where he was over

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  79. I don't know why I typed To be fair. Weird.

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  80. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM

    Maybe McMahon won't let him.

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  81. He's a troll homie don't bother with him

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  82. No, it doesn't. Why would Brock do that?

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  83. According to the Wrestlezone report (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/558699-35-wwe-nxt-live-results-from-columbus-oh-kevin-owens-vs-alex-riley-sami-zayn-returns-rare-triple-h-appearance-more-possible-spoilers), the live crowd was told some of the show would be taped for the Network, so I would guess it has to do with production.


    At the same time, none (or few) main roster house shows are shown on the Network at all (given the lower production values and match structure), so I'm not sure why NXT's first touring show (which could have had disastrous attendance/appearances but didn't, so yay) would be shown within 48 hours of it happening. That camera crews were there suggests that something will be shown at some point, but it could easily be a 1-minute video package during the next NXT special.


    As for the hard camera stuff, if the setup is anything like it was a decade ago when I last went to a live show, I imagine it's to show the most amount of fans in a straight shot (the same way the hard cameras on sporting events are lined up with a straight shot rather than one of the corners) with the wrestlers: there is a large chunk of lower level seats left open on the hard camera side, so they wouldn't want shots of that; shooting from the ramp wouldn't be straight on (or would be in the way of wrestlers coming down/going up the ramp) and could have fans somewhat obstructed by the ring and the announcers; and shooting from the announcers' position would have the empty space of the ramp and might include the Titantron in the background rather than fans.


    Finally, is the camera work much better in NXT? I get much more of a headache with the camera angles there (and not just from Blake and Murphy's entrance) than I do from the main roster cuts (which are annoying and often defeat the purpose of a hard camera by missing things because they are jumping between shots).

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  84. You are right. I don't think Brock would shoot on Reigns.

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  85. It's too hard to regularly do both. Bobby Lashley does, but I hear Rampage balked on the first day of wrestling training. He's lazy, but you don't wanna be doing wrestling bumps right up to having a real fight.

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  86. Well, there's a lot of reasons that TNA matches are unwatchable.

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  87. "We're not having fun, Maggle."

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  88. Yeah, no, Vince would say no way as well, but I can see where some people could ignore the obvious and think Vince would want to see "his" guy show up these "UFC nobodies."

    There's literally no upside, fictional, assumed, hypothetical or real, to Dana allowing a UFC fighter to also do pro wrestling simultaneously.

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  89. 100%. Brock is seen as a legend who's bigger than the WWE, like The Rock. No one is holding it against Brock if he wants to go to the UFC, especially because WWE fans support him being a "sports entertainer" who was able to succeeded in legit competition.

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  90. Boys boys......you BOTH can have me

    He's hardcore!



    Er, yeah.....

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  91. Lashley fights cans, though. Also, Bellator wouldn't be the first competitor to the UFC to fix fights. I'm not ACCUSING them, just saying.

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  92. I don't know if I'd go that far, but he's liked well enough and a big part of that is that he's one of the few guys (maybe the only guy) that isn't force-fed to the audience, overexposed and isn't booked like a total fucking goober who can't win more than 50% of the time.

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  93. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 8:29 AM

    I picture Brock having a twin sister that destroys the women in NXT and the Divas Division.

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  94. Possibly. But I suspect if he really wanted it done, it would be. Just my opinion.

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  95. That's a misreading of the crowd from 2004 and 2015. The crowd turned on him in 2004 because he wasn't the star he was, he was seen as a quitter because he was jumping from the WWE to try out for the NFL, a move that a lot of people saw as complete BS.


    The audience who supports Lesnar (which is significant) thinks of him as a legend and will follow him to the UFC, where he's also a legend. No one thinks of him as a quitter.

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  96. Nope. Hogan just vetoed it.

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  97. Plus, in 2004, there was zero idea that Lesnar was leaving until, what, days before WM? I mean, they were building (or it seemed, anyway) to Lesnar/Austin, a match everyone wanted to see. Then Lesnar bailed and said "nah, I'm out after Sunday."

    Completely different situation, completely different background, completely different context. Lesnar (possibly) leaving after WM is the only similarity.

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  98. AverageJoeEverymanMarch 6, 2015 at 8:33 AM

    TJ - Watching Superbrawl III on the network. Ventura - " I'm going with Benoit. He's got more of that killer instinct."

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  99. I would. Lesnar is the biggest draw in UFC history, and a big reason why is because WWE fans followed him there. Also he's seen as a Paul Heyman guy, and Paul Heyman is basically a walking avatar for the IWC.


    Also, by "bigger than the WWE", I mean he doesn't need to be in the WWE and the fans know it and don't hold it against him.

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  100. I'm strangely intrested to see how this angle he started with Kevin Owens on NXT plays out.

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  101. So, is this the daily thread?

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  102. This is the worst theory since the theory that the earth was flat

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  103. I don't think the complaint was about the existence of the hard camera. Having a hard camera makes perfect sense. I think the complaint was that the wrestlers work to the hard camera. They will (obviously) set themselves up so that they are in the best position for what they're doing to be captured by the hard camera. For example, if Cena goes to do the AA or if Punk goes for GTS, he will lift his opponent on his shoulders, walk to the center of the ring, turn to face the hard camera, look straight into the camera, scream and make some face, and then execute the move.

    And no, the camerawork is not better on NXT. They do all the same quick cut/zoom in and out nonsense.

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  104. That was Nicole Bass 12 years before her time.

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  105. Theory: Fake Razor Ramon looked so much like Razor Ramon, there was no way he could have been anyone else once he did the fake Razor gimmick. Since real Diesel was kind of generic looking (Long black hair, goatee), fake Diesel could survive a gimmick change. Issace Yankem doesn't look that much like Diesel, for isntance. Of course, having a mask as part of his next gimmick helped.

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  106. Name a babyface that's been booked WORSE than Reigns that was expected to carry the company.

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  107. Walking out of WWE in 2015 makes you a hero. Lesnar will get the pop of the night, no matter what his contract status is.

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  108. I'm telling you, post-Mania Raw we'll get We Want Lesnar chants during Reigns big coronation promo. This is gonna be such a debable.

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  109. Where's the daily thread? Bayless ok?

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  110. I could see WWE not even putting him on that show, just like how they didn't put Punk on it after 29 knowing he'd get a better reaction than all of the faces.

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  111. Dunn is one of those "set 4 life" guys who Vince will die on a hill to save. He's on the same level as Blassie, Monsoon, et al (and isn't as big of a pain in the ass as Albano).

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  112. Well, they shouldn't notice it. If you're watching a movie, at least for the first time, and are noticing things like camera zooms and angles and cinematography, then the movie has failed.

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  113. Jonathan MeisnerMarch 6, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    At least Blassie and Monsoon were worth keeping around.

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  114. Supposedly they had the balls to throw Ryback vs. Big Show on the NXT house show last night, and the crowd was said to be "WWECW in Hammerstein" levels of awesome.

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  115. According to some guy on Reddit, they won the crowd over by the end.

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  116. Jonathan MeisnerMarch 6, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    Beat me to it.

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  117. It gets even better next week.

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  118. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Brock's first victim, Brendan Schaub. The guy is been challeging Brock for awhile saying he's a pussy and WRASSLIN IS FAKE. Brock kills him in 2 minutes.


    Second Victim, Overeem. Takedown, hammer fists, done.


    Third Victim, Velasquez. VIKING SPACE LORD CONQUERS THE HW DIVISION AND ANNOUNCES HIS NEW WIFE AND QUEEN OF THE GALAXY, RONDA ROUSEY.

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  119. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:00 AM

    When does the Riley/Owens angle started?

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  120. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    AS VIKING SPACE LORD, BROCK LESNAR REACHES HIS THRONE HE LOOKS TO HEADS OF HIS VICTIMS, HE THEN LOOKS TO WIFE AND PROCLAIMS: I SHALL CHALLENGE THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER, HAKU.

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  121. This may be a pull quote in 20 years when HGH is puttering around with his overpushed kids like the second coming of Fritz Von Erich.

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  122. Show did, not Ryback. Show got on the mic and made a crack about his guaranteed 10-year deal, which prompted the crowd to switch to a "TEN MORE YEARS" chant.

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  123. Pretty incredible that even with the limited time they have, Owens has compelling stories going now with Sami, Finn AND Riley.

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  124. The same guy said Ryback wasn't booed (and yelled FUCK YOU at a fan for no apparent reason), so unlike Show, he didn't have to win anyone over in the first place.

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  125. Bob Holly looked a hell of a lot like Thurmann "Sparky" Plugg when he first started out

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  126. It's not a misreading of anything. Wrestling fans are fickle. Thinking you can predict their behavior is a fool's errand. That's why I said "I wouldn't be surprised," rather than predicting something in particular.

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  127. Different set of circumstances altogether.

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  128. Lesnar at a Rousey headlined UFC event in a major market is shit tons of publicity. Dana would have tons of reasons to play along.

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  129. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Just imagine the son of a Brock-Ronda relationship, the kid will be unstoppable.

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  130. Yeah, but there have been at least a couple of crowds that have been hot as hell for him from what I've seen, and *anyone* responding to him is an improvement.

    I'll admit I haven't been paying as close of attention as I usually do, though. And when I have watched Raw, I've been extremely high. I could be totally wrong about everything because I just do not care right now.

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  131. Play along with what, exactly?

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  132. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Brock's getting married, he was watching his future wife.

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  133. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    They would have to take him to a government base to train him like Superboy.

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  134. That kid would be a mutant.

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  135. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    I think it would be better if they train him in the League of Shadows.

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  136. A wrestling work that he is coming back to MMA. Who knows if he's physically cleared and able to get licensed.

    Given how Alistair Overeem has performed in the UFC the fact that Lesnar lost that badly and quickly to him doesn't tell me his physical shape was in game condition post illness.

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  137. I don't know why everyone had such a problem with that storyline. For one, they were putting off the patriotism angle for the Mania build, as we've seen. (And why everyone needs that tired old trope to be revisited in such a on-the-nose fashion, I'm not sure, but whatever, rasslin' and USA, that's fine.) For another, regardless of his actual age, no one in WWE history has spent more actual time on top than Cena. He's been the top guy for a decade, in an era that produces way more content than ever before. It would be like if Hogan was the top guy for 25 uninterrupted years. It made enough sense to me.

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  138. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    True! He could be the real life version of Bane.

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  139. This isn't the first time Lesnar went to a UFC show under WWE contract.

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  140. Not really. It seems fickle if you watch week to week because it's in a different city every week, and some markets are "smarter" than other markets. Fans in Philly, New York, and Chicago will react way differently than fans in Atlanta or Memphis or San Antonio.


    Wrestlemania is basically wrestling Christmas, so the crowd will be heavily comprised of the fans you'll see in Philly, NY, Chicago plus a huge international contignent. And that is a Brock Lesnar crowd.

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  141. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    With no need of Venom.


    What would be the child's name?

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  142. It's not but it's the first time he's done it very close to the end of the contract amidst a sea of rumors.

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  143. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Whatever he wants it to be.

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  144. Will Reigns get his own new custom WWE belt though? One with Sylvester the Cat in place of the WWE logo would be cool.

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  145. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    He's gonna be like fucking Broly from DBZ.

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  146. Now that I've had some coffee in me, I'm done playing devil's advocate. I agree, the crowd won't shit on Lesnar.
    Unless they go for that.
    Is it totally implausible that, if Brock is going to UFC, they actually use it as a storyline to make him the biggest dickhead ever? I wouldn't doubt any lengths they'd go to get Reigns cheered, so actively telling the crowd that you're leaving and taking the WWE title to UFC with you? Wouldn't shock me.

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  147. Not really. The last time this happened, it was a big story and Dana had to answer questions about Brock coming back.

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  148. "Please Retire" chants

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  149. Brock will screw Brock? ???

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  150. It won't change anything. Fans love Brock.

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  151. Anybody who thought he was going to the UFC mid WWE contract isn't the brightest. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court and any attempt to fight would get gummed up worse than Bellator is doing to Rampage.

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  152. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    "...but mom calls me, 'Skippy'"

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  153. I think the problem is that Dana won't negotiate with him until his WWE deal is up, and Brock doesn't want to tilt his hat either way until then because it will affect his negotiating power.

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  154. Great babyface promo from Zayn at yesterday NxT live event : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agbn9if7OVY

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  155. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    If anyone is bad-ass enough to screw Brock, it would be Brock.

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  156. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Thinking about it, Brock/Rampage. Book it, Dana.

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  157. Listen to the call-in shows on Austin's podcast sometime. There's still a lot of dumb casual fans who respond as if it's real. It would shift at least some crowd support to Reigns if they do it right.

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  158. ThebrazilianpsychoMarch 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Steve Mazzagatti.

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  159. That's probably true. I know almost nothing about UFC/MMA, so I'm just thinking out loud here.

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  160. Nothing they do could make Brock a heel for 31. It's literally impossible.

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  161. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    I hope after he jobs to Reigns Brock beats him to a pulp and rips the belt in half like that Van Damme movie.

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  162. Make Lesnar-Bryan for the strap this week on RAW. Lesnar repeatedly F5's him, putting him out of action for months, and missing Mania.Heyman does mocking "Yes" hand movements.

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  163. Vince should get Rousey to be a special ref or "enforcer" at Wrestlemania. THAT would be cool.

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  164. I think that would actually be a pretty good fight. I don't think either guy will be a champion again and I think at this point in his career Rampage would perform better at heavyweight. Having him fight a scrub like Fabio Maldonado is a waste of everyone's time.

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  165. Overeem on roids= first round stoppage vs. Brock. Overeem clean=losing to Mir or getting KO'ed by Big Foot Silva. I still contend Brock's loss to Overeem should be a NC, since Overeem failed a test before his next fight, and c'mon...

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  166. OK, Chris Traeger.

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  167. Hmm, so it was the WWF hotline that instigated the rumors of Undertaker leaving the WWF after SummerSlam '96 that Scott talked about in his original rant of that show.

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  168. IIRC, it was before he signed his second contract with WWE.

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  169. That said, I agree, which is why my fantasy booking idea is a Reigns/Rollins double turn where Rollins cashes in at the end of the night, loses, and is the babyface chasing heel champ Reigns.

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  170. I've read there was a duelling chants at Cesaro that went "Push Cesaro" / "He's too Swiss" and that's really awesome

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  171. A chronological listing of shows on the Network by promotion would be the tits.

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  172. That's not how it works though. He didn't fail competition testing and was on a provisional license. It's like the Jones cocaine thing, you can have an opinion but rules are rules.

    Overeem still has big KO power as you saw from the Struve fight but he's never had a great chin and he fought a lot of the fights he lost like an absolute dunce. He was cleaning Travis Browne's clock and gassed trying to finish him for example.

    He didn't really land anything huge against Lesnar though, Lesnar crumpled fast because he wasn't in any shape to fight.

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  173. He could squash Ziggler, AJ, Paige and everyone we like on NXT. Then do the same to D-Bry. That would turn him heel.

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  174. Rousey who is like a 500k plus draw per show for the UFC has been basically begging to have involvement with a major WWE show. I'm surprised they haven't moved on this.

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  175. Have him cut a promo about suffering succatash. That should do it.

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  176. In like '03? Those were like the early days of the Zuffa UFC.

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  177. Yes, because this would require Vince admitting he's 2nd banana to UFC. I do think they'll try making Brock more heelish in the upcoming month, and it won't work.

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  178. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    He could start cutting promos on how Reigns is too tough, hand him the belt and be all, "You're alright, LaRusso!"

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  179. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Yeah. Let's have her job to Nikki Bella.

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  180. They are saying 700k for Rousey vs. Zingano. A no name opponent, zero star power on the undercard, 700k. Rousey is massive.

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  181. What does WWE do with Ronda? She's approximately 1234324 levels ahead of all WWE women. Anything short of killing one in 3 seconds isn't believable.

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  182. If I were Nikki Bella I would not get any of my limbs within a one mile radius of Ronda Rousey.

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  183. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Relationship with Santino.

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  184. Bayless did the update! Yay!

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  185. Charismatic eNegro Jef VinsonMarch 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    It's not like she's not used to being spread out all over the mat before.

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  186. I think having her destroy Stephanie would be money but Steph's ego would get in the way.

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  187. That's Lita you're thinking of.

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  188. The Love-Matic Grampa!March 6, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    It's dumb because it's clearly USA vs. Russia but Vince (for the first time in history) is apparently worried about offending people overseas. So we get this grizzled vet storyline when the fans actually want Cena to go all super-patriot and beat the loud-mouthed foreign menace. I was against this feud because I think it does little for either guy, but I also assumed it was an easy lay-up and that with all the issues with Reigns I figured WWE would welcome a simple, paint-by-numbers angle that writes itself. But why have things simple when you can have them convoluted, I guess.

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  189. That's why I think it wouldn't happen, but I can't rule it out with how determined they are to get Reigns over.

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  190. Oh, then I guess not. Well said.

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  191. Pretty incredible that ANYONE could have a compelling story going with Riley.

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