My condolences to Perro's family.
Horrible, freak accident. The sort of thing where you could do the same move a thousand times and it would be absolutely fine.RIP to Perro, thoughts with his family, but also with Rey and Manik, who must be absolutely crushed.
I remember him teaming with his father a few times. R.I.P. Perro Jr.
If you google his name, a video of the death is the first result. I kinda don't recommend watching it. It's not gory, but it's weird to watch a guy die and just lay there as people wrestle around him.
Just watched the video on YouTube,"WTF" doesn't accurately describe my reaction to how everyone responded to it. He's just laying there, and thre match continues,,, and continues... and judging by the fact that there's a cut in the video, continues.And then Konnon *shakes* him a few times on the ropes. Of course he didn't know there was a spinal issue, but still.I honestly wonder if he was able to be saved in the time that they were trying to figure out what to do.
Heartbreaking video to watch. Shouldn't medical attention have been rushed to him sooner?
Yep, just commented on that as your post came through
Damn, we're all watching the video at the same time. Just left a comment about that below
They shouldn't have even tried to figure out what to do. They should've automatically known. If they want to continue with the match to divert attention, then continue, but get the guy some immediate help.
At first he thinks Perro's is selling, when he saw Perro's was not reacting he goes desperate.
Six years to the weekend, almost to the day, that Abismo Negro died in bizarre fashion en route to a AAA show.The video of Aguayo is just disturbing. I was thinking a cervical disruption similar to Misawa
I did notice after the cut in the video, Konnan was shielding him with his body.
How could you possible know he is in that serious of a condition? Automatically? At worst, you would think he KO'd himself somehow.
And he was in a good shape, not like misawa.
That's reason enough to check on him properly.
That's is being reported, cervical trauma
Manik watches him at first, then Konnan. They think he's just selling.
The ref goes running towards but stops when the wrestlers start working again.
Somewhat shocking that they didn't end things as soon as Perro stops responding. It doesn't look like he was even conscious after the 619. It was a freak occurrence to be sure, and I doubt either wrestler was at fault for what happened. However, I would not be surprised if the promotion gets heavy scrutiny for not responding quicker.
I can't fault anyone's reaction, to be honest. In the heat of the moment in the match, they probably thought he was selling the blow. By the time anyone realised he was seriously injured, it was too late.
Yeah, I think that's the takeaway. No one is questioning fault of it happening, but rather the response to it
Absolutely horrible. And he was only 35? So he was like 17 when AAA came to the WWE
I can't fault the wrestlers continuing. It'd be one thing if the dude just took a botched bump or something obvious. If I hadn't known he died, I wouldn't of thought it was that serious watching the video. Plus, they got him on a stretcher, what like a minute after it happened, 2 minutes? If they stop the match cold as soon as it happens, I doubt anything changes.
I know in wrestling you're supposed to work though anything, but death is stretching it - they should have attended to him one he was unresponsive instead of working around his body. But to be fair, nobody likely knew what happened or how to react to it.
True. The video I saw starts with him on the ropes for the 619 and it looks like he's already gone there.
Did they really know he was unresponsive? When Rey checks on him, they then go into the finish.
Was it the main event? If not, did the show continue on?
Manik looks to know something's up right away, I think that's why he ducks the 619. But they do wrap it up soon afterwards and Rey checks on him. I'm sure guys get knocked loopy fairly often so it's hard to blame them for not immediately realizing what was happening.
I was just thinking the other day that it had been a long time since a wrestler had died tragically, which was great.
I ready earlier that was the planned spot, for them to move.
That's probably what happened. They thought he was loopy and so they carried on the best they could. I mean, throughout history, how many guys have died in the ring (during a match)? Not many at all. Only ones I can think of are Mike Dibiase, Misawa and now Perro.
RIP. Watching the video will only make you feel shitty. He hangs on the second rope unconscious for an awkwardly long time before they finally realize he needs medical attention. If you look for one of the spot that preceded it, it was just a simple dropkick from Mysterio to put him in the 619 position.
You just, you know... don't think a guy has just died from a move. The 619 for God's sake! You couldn't get me to take a bump in a ring, but Jesus I'd take a 619 from Rey. It's the ring, man. That mat, those ropes... that's where the toll is taken. As the morning goes on, I'm just feeling more & more bad for all wrestlers, you know what I mean?
think Larry Cameron did, same with King Kong Kirk
Yeah, Larry Cameron sounds familiar. I don't know who Kirk was.
British wrestler, died after a splash from Big Daddy Crabtree in the 1980s. Had a pre-existing heart condition that cleared Crabtree of liability
He was supposed to go into the ropes on Rey's frankensteiner but Perro decides to take a bump to the outside before immediately rolling back in so they can essentially re-do the spot which ends up being Rey simply dropkicking him in the back.If he had simply gone into the 619 position off the initial frankensteiner he'd still be alive. How he landed throat first instead of falling into the ropes on his chest/underarms is a mystery, wanted to make the spot look better? I would presume that in AAA with all the high flying that the ropes would be extra taut to help with the high spots and that's why they did so much damage to his throat off such an innocent looking spot.
Ah, I think I know him from a mention in Bret's book.
I'm not gonna watch the video. I can't. I'm sure I've seen some Aguayo matches over the years, but like so many Mexican & Japanese wrestlers it's hard for me to specifically recall one. I don't want my first concrete recollection of him to be the match he dies in. If people start linking to his great matches I will watch those instead, and try to come to know the man and remember him that way.
That's good of you.
Yeah, a neck/throat/spinal injury that results in instantaneous non-responsiveness is rarely the kind where seconds matter. It's about as light-switchy a death as there is.
He edited his comment, it originally said BOOYAKA BOOYAKA 911! What an asshole.
Lucha scares me sometimes in the way it's all just so fast. Those rapid-fire sequences are beautiful to watch, but god when the timing goes off. And all the dives to the outside too...
I was tempted to make a 187 joke.
You are a sick person.
One of the Moondogs, and Gary someone? (No, not Hart)
It was the main event.
I know what you mean. Lucha may not be everyone's cup of tea but there's so much skill involved. I remember seeing a young Rey vs. a young Juvie and their spots were insanely intricate.
BREAKING: According to Google, Agauyo bears an *amazing* resemblance to someone we all know...no Photoshop used here, I swear it.http://i.imgur.com/yWORAon.jpg
...and I just spit out my drink.
There are two reports on F4W... one headline stating "Perro Aguayo Jr. dies mid-ring..." the other "Perro Aguayo Jr. passes away in Tijuana hospital after match last night." PWInsider is saying he was pronounced dead at 1am. Does anybody know what time the match would have happened? Some of these Mexican shows run pretty late.
I'm assuming the sketchy Mexican legal system explains the conflicting reports?
He may have been pronounced dead in hospital, but it's pretty obvious he died instantly when he hit the ropes.
Another Mexican wrestler named Oro died during a match in the early 90s. He was only in his early 20s.RIP Perro. Such a shame.
That's what I am wondering. Was he rushed straight to the hospital at 12:45, then pronounced DOA... or was he there for a few hours before pronounced dead. I don't know how it's obvious he was dead immediately after hitting the ropes, instead of being unconscious but still alive.
When you snap your neck as badly as he apparently did, there's no "unconscious." Like someone else in this thread said, that's pretty much a light-switch from alive-to-dead.
Misawa was the last big name to die in the ring, right?
Regardless, I will smoke a bowl today, in honor of Perro.
In their defense, I imagine they didn't just assume he was dead right away. Unconscious, maybe. The medic crew should've been on him immediately.
I wont sit here and say that I ever watched the guy wrestle knowingly; still, horrible tragedy. It must be tough on Rey too, considering all the hurdles he had to jump through with injuries and backstage stuff with the WWE to even get back in the ring, and no sooner does he return than a freak accident happen like this. Just awful stuff.
It was at an indie show, so they probably weren't that well equipped to begin with.
To help lighten the mood, here's Virgil, finally sitting to sign autographs with a line waiting!http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2014/03/047_WM8_04051992_0702.jpg
Sadly... all those fans though he was Shelton Benjamin.
I think about how fleeting life is every time I watch Lucha Underground and someone does a tope or suicide dive within 6 feet of those concrete steps.
No, it's really just that if they had paramedics working on him, they'd most likely keep doing so til they got to the hospital. It's afterwards that an MD or ME would make the pronouncement. They'd only have declared him as having died at the scene or en route if the paramedics stopped/didn't start.
Just watched the video again. Aguayo seems to have raccoon eyes deepening in color as the video goes on, which is a telltale sign of a basilar skull fracture. Skull fractures are bad news no matter what, but in the case of a complete basilar skull fracture, which is what he probably had, given the rapid deepening of color, death is usually instantaneous.
I'm not going to watch the video, but reading the description of what happened, does that mean Rey's dropkick caused the fracture?
Is that recent?
I believe so. But I was thinking outside the ring, too.
Is this the same guy who was in the six man at the Rumble in 97? He's my age, which is bothersome enough. Like everyone said, it looks like he was only KO'd. Even the most basic spot can be life threatening. RVD's almost 2 year title run came to an end from a broken ankle on a baseball slide of all things. Rey has done the 619 a million times, never imagined it would cause something like this to happen. Thoughts are with Aguayo's family, and with Rey.
Awful. Impossible to say without an autopsy but it looked like Rey caught him right on the external occipital protuberance.
You a doc? EMT?
That was his father, who also main evented the When Worlds Collide PPV against Konnan in 94.
AINT NO STOPPING ME NOW!
No... but that guy was hilarious.
Man the way he just goes limp like that....hard to watch.
At least it was (apparently) instant. For his sake that is.
It all comes down to brain activity. It's possible to start chest compressions, inhalation, and work on a guy for quite awhile and bring them back. Wasn't it like 45 minutes that they worked on Lawler when he had his heart attack? But the brain starts dying after just a few minutes of no fresh blood/air. My assumption is paramedics worked on him til they got to the hospital, at which point a whole team would take over, he'd be hooked to a respirator & heart stimulator... but at some point they'll call it with no brain activity. Especially given the potential injuries others here have mentioned. For all intents and purposes he died in that ring, and probably in the blink of an eye. Just tragic.
A long time ago my friends and I were watching Smackdown, and Rey was tagging with Great Khali. The Brian Ong incident came up for discussion, and one of my friends quipped "Well it's not like Rey Misterio will ever accidentally kill someone in the ring." Laughter ensued. Can't get that conversation out of my head now.(Yeah, I know he didn't *directly* kill him, but still...)
Based on a the clothing, that was definitely when Virgil was somewhat popular: 1991
WILL YOU STOP?
The more I think about it, is it click-bait to tie Mysterio's name to Aguayo's death? Perro was in the ring with three other wrestlers, but Mysterio is the only one name dropped many of the headlines I've seen.
Sad reminder that it's the most unsafe sport around. These guys go through a lot.
Aww. The thought of Virgil at a busy autograph table signing for a throng of excited paying fans just warms my heart.
Terrible news. Thoughts with his family and friends obviously. This will probably also be really bad news for AAA (and by extension LU) who are probably going to see their business nosedive as a result of this despite it being a freak accident.
Likely because Mysterio was/is indirectly linked to his passing. I hope Mexico has grief counseling.
There is as much speculation that Manik may have caused it when falling into the ropes for the double 619 spot.
AJ Pero, Chuck Bednarnik and now Aguayo. Can death take a break for a while? Unfortunately, no. None of us know when our time is up. Don't take anything for granted.
No. It's pretty legit a big deal he was in the match, and it was during his signature move--in only his 2nd match since returning to Mexico. I don't see it as click-bait at all.
We live in a world where the setup for the 619 killed a guy.I can't imagine how horrible this must be for Rey. We've spent the better part of a year harping on him for one thing or another, but no wrestler should have to experience what he's going through. Deepest sympathies for Perro's family of course. He looked strikingly like his father.
If you are insanely paranoid I can see how you would think it is click bait.
Did Misawa's death do any harm to business?
NOAH has been on a steady downward slope since his death. Kobashi's inactivity and retirement played a role in that as well, of course.
Dammit, I went to Google to text someone a link to a news site with the story and it pulls up a goddamn thumbnail of him hanging on the ropes. Fucking internet sometimes...
Fox News will probably show a video of him dying by being beaten with a barrage of baseballs. Although, countdown to Nancy Grace having her field day with this.
I still can't wrap my mind around this. I would never in a million years expect Rey Mysterio of all wrestlers to inadvertently kill a man in the ring. I know this happens sometimes, but... damn. Rey?
Yeah, this. They were already in decline but Misawa's death sent them into a tailspin that they've never really recovered from.
You can see Aguayo's left leg moving after he hits the rope - but it's very, very minimal movement. Could be just a combination of both hits. Either way, awful, awful news.
Um.. ok? I don't see how paranoia would lead one to think this, as I doubt in any conspiracy, etc. In the days before interwebbing, this would just be known as sensationalism. "Aguayo, Jr. Pronounced Dead Shortly After Match" is not as flashy as "Aguayo Jr. Dies in the Ring with Rey Mysterio"
See that's it, I know NO AJ was already in decline so I didn't know if Misawa's sped it Any.
Anybody else think those ropes looked loose as fuck? Probably had nothing to do with it, but I couldn't help but notice that.
You're right that Rey's name doesn't necessarily need to be attached to it, so in a way it is clickbait. But outrageous clickbait would be along the lines of "Rey Mysterio Kills Aguayo Jr"
I don't think Nancy Grace cares too much about Mexican lives.
CNN.com has it front page, in the News & Buzz section: "Mexican Wrestler Dies After Match With WWEer".
All former WWE stars are considered WWE4Life by the media, same as if Angle/Hardy die in a TNA tomorrow.
Now that is click bait.
But it's wrestling, and she's all about tearing wrestling down it seems.
Which ties to my point below. Wrestler dies, WWE is mentioned even though they had nothing to do with it. Here comes Nancy Grace.
Which ties to my point below. Wrestler dies, WWE is mentioned even though they had nothing to do with it. Here comes Nancy Grace
Kinda like how a guy who played something like 7 games for Celtic, and a couple of seasons each with St Mirren and Dundee was in trouble yesterday and the headline was "Former Celtic player in trouble" rather than "Dundee player" - it's an instant cash-grab to namedrop the bigger and more recognisable name.
Sensationalism over journalism.
Just watched the video and Mysterio doesn't connect in any major way, certainly not enough to casue any kind of serious injury, I think it seems more likely to be to do with the way he fell and landed on the rope itself.
Or aware that most internet news sites traffic in click bait a huge portion of the time.
Tight would be worse on a neck
He didn't do it. Guy took a bad bump off dropkick to ropes.
Yeah I guess you're past the age of double 619 spots.
According to this story, part of the reason behind the delay in getting Perrito medical attention was, the medical staff was attending to two other injured wrestlers in the back. That's per the on-site physician, who is certified by the state commission.That latter part is crucial -- there's an official Lucha Commission that certifies medical crews, licenses wrestlers and such.
Jesus, what a shitty week for AAA- Huge PPV with lots of international interest gets delayed- Bus carrying corporate employees crashes and kills at least one person, injures many- Top heel dies in the ring
Mick's first book. Germany. Scorpio complained the ropes were too loose, so the ring crew tightened them as much as they could, and Mick gets caught doing his hangman routine. Luckily, all he lost was his ear.
Didn't NOAH rely too heavily on Misawa and Kobashi anyway? It seemed like they wouldn't really give anyone else a sustained push.
"Big Show" Misawa and Kobashi "Kane".
Difference: The two Japanese wrestlers were beloved and could draw.
Worked on him for at least an hour. They tried, bless 'em.
It had to have been the fall to the ropes. It couldn't have been the dropkick, because Rey got him completely on the arm. Total freak accident.
Nah, Ray's dropkick got him on the shoulder. It wasn't even close to his head.
Just realized--after reading the updated story on the Observer site--that the other two guys in the match are/were TNA guys. Doesn't really mean much, other then to show how much of the wrestling world this touches.... and completely unrelated, also per the Observer Cincinnati Red--the guy who first trained Samoa Joe--just passed away at 40. So add in RoH to the world of wrestling having a really bad day today.
The ugly side of me gets a perverse smugness out of it because I just have such low regard for lucha and anyone involved in it. Bunch of flippy mask wearing shitheads.But really this is pretty sad and I'm sorry that it happened. It doesn't even look like he hit him very hard. What a terrible mishap.
The move that caused the death was a wrestler falling into the ropes, which happens dozens on times in every wrestling show worldwide...
No, it's not clear what caused the fracture because he's dead when the video starts. I'm thinking the people who put the blame on the ropes are probably on point, though. Either one snapped back and hit him in the wrong spot or it was too tight and he fell on it full force in the wrong spot.
Just a guy who knows a fair amount about skull fractures.
Well that sucks about the PPV.
Lots of random deaths today.I'm fully expecting Samoa Joe to choke to death on a ham sandwich later today.
I think He's wondering why this seemed like a good time to find smug satisfaction for your distaste of Lucha.Its not Like he died doing flippy shit
There is video of the whole match out there.
Click bate is like tabloids on the Internet The headline including Mysterio Is no more sensationalist then The New York Times
I haven't seen it, just the first video, but either way, there's nothing Mysterio could have done that would have caused an injury that severe. This is one of those freak accidents that's no one's fault.
No. I saw the video and that's true. I don't have anything else to say that won't seem even more assholish, so I'll just bail.I'm sorry the guy died. That's good news for no one.
Thanks for stopping by and contributing to this discussion, Calhoun.
Samoa Joe's trainer died.
That's what he gets for stealing Jie's sandwich.
That's not kosher, dude.
LOL@"in a TNA". That made me laugh for some reason.
that meant to say in a TNA ring.
Sure, but it was a funny slam on TNA.
I know they say it was whiplash from the ropes, but when you look at it he takes the rana from Rey REALLY hard, like it looked like he was trying to twist his own head off when going out of the ring. I dunno, it looked really rough to me. But then Shawn's injury seemed that way too...looks like his back barely even grazes the casket at all, when it obviously did.
Um... I know this might not be an appropriate time for humor but I wanted to share this. I know there's a lot of Archer fans here. Check this out. Pretty mind blowing, and sometimes it's good to have something like that when you're feeling down.http://m.imgur.com/gallery/TmNFU
Most injuries that occur have nothing to do with the force of the blow, but are a result of the angle the force hit. I could injure your ankle by kicking it right below the fibula yet you could use 5x the force to stamp your foot on the ground and barely say OW
If we're devolving into Dark Humour can I point out that when Kurt Angle broke his neck he still won a Gold Medal, this guy was just too lazy to finish the match
Didn't look like Mysterio's fault. Rey's dropkick was fine, it was the bump into the ropes that killed him.
It's a sliding scale of what you define as click bait. Three is a reason Mysterio in the headline with Aguayo, and not Manik or Tigre.
It's Mexico.. they thought he was taking a siesta..
*Ding* That's Racist!
I will always fondly remember waiting until Saturday afternoons to watch CMLL on Galavision on weeks (and weeks at times) tape delay and watching guys like Perro, Hector Garza, Los Guerreros del Infierno and Dr. Wagner Jr. (cien por ciento rudo, baby!). Perro and Garza were especially great assholes and it's hard to realize that they're both gone now. Perro was an exciting worker with that big star presence and it was tremendous fun watching him work.
I'm sure every professional wrestler is having an existential crisis right now.
...why is it Vince's fault?