Saturday, November 22, 2014

Thunder - July 1, 1999

Date: July 1, 1999
Location: Cajundome, Lafayette, Louisiana
Commentators: Larry Zbyszko, Mike Tenay

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We're into the second half of the year now and hopefully things are going to pick up. After Monday, we have Kevin Nash with Torrie and Gorgeous George and having beaten up eight or so men at once to close Nitro. However, Sting was seen behind the wheel of the Hummer to end the show, but Sting is a weird dude so it could mean a lot of things. Let's get to it.

BoD Saturday Night Thread

Talk about everything going on tonight here.

Best Survivor Series match post 2000

Hi Scott,

You recently mentioned that you enjoyed the Survivor Series matches from 87. Is there anything more modern that you may have also enjoyed?


I literally couldn't name a single Survivor Series match past 2002, outside of "the one where Shawn Michaels superkicks Mike Knox and then shrugs with confusion"​.  It just doesn't mean anything to me as an event anymore.  

WCW Worldwide: November 17, 1996

I don’t mean to moisten your knickers, but tonight is a pretty big show. Disco Inferno, Brad Armstrong, Billy Kidman, and The Public Enemy are ALL scheduled to be here. Do you know why the nWo hasn’t bothered with this show? Because every week, they see the beastly lineup, and can’t figure out how they’d successfully “take over” without getting their collective asses handed to them. Given all the baseball bats in the world, they’d have no chance to fend off Billy Kidman, and his size 12 waist.


HOF Class of 2015

  Hi Scott,
With Survivor Series coming up this weekend, it's seems like it's time for the HOF predictions to start up again. Considering the previous HOFs, There seems to be 5-6 guys inducted every year plus a Celebrity, so I thought it would lead to an interesting blog discussion to see what you predict would be the HOF class for 2015, not your dream class but a legitimate prediction.
My prediction:
Headliner: Sting
Semi Headliner; Kevin Nash
Deceased Wrestler: Davey Boy Smith
Pre-Hulkamania: Stan Stasiak
Midcarder: Sean Waltman
International Star: Great Muta
Celebrity: Cyndi Lauper

​Sting for 100% sure goes in this year.  Probably also Randy Savage, finally.  I feel like they might do a pity induction for Kamala given his recent circumstances. They also typically put a Diva in, which feels like the right time for Sable.  I just don't see them putting Bulldog in given the circumstances around his death and breaking ties with Harry.  I don't think putting Nash in would be a good idea, unless they want the lowest-drawing Hall of Fame in history.​

Friday, November 21, 2014

Survivor Series Spoiler


Prepare for internet to blow up imminently…

New E-Book: History of the Royal Rumble

Back in late 1987, the WWF started messing with the NWA's pay per view schedule by airing Survivor Series 1987 on the same night as Starrcade 1987. This worked so well that they decided to do it again in January 1988 but as a free special on the USA network. Nearly thirty years later, the show has become one of the biggest events of the year and contains one of the most important matches on the Road to Wrestlemania: the Royal Rumble.

For twenty seven years, the Royal Rumble has given us the biggest battle royal of the year and some of the best matches of all time. Ranging from Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit in a ladder match to Triple H vs. Cactus Jack in a street fight to Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle in a technical masterpiece, you're almost guaranteed to get a solid title match in addition to the Royal Rumble itself.

In this book, we'll look at every edition of the Royal Rumble starting in 1988 and break down every show, segment and match as WWE starts their Road to Wrestlemania. The book contains twenty seven pay per view reviews and looks at everything that has taken place at the first major show of the year on the WWE calendar. As usual I'll be providing play by play, historical context and analysis of every show.

The books runs about 350 pages on a Kindle and only costs $3.99, or the equivalent in other currencies. If you don’t have a Kindle or e-book reader, there are several FREE apps you can use to read it on pretty much any electronic device. You can find those from Amazon here.

You can pick up the book from Amazon here.

From the UK Amazon here.

From the Canadian Amazon here.

Or if you’re in another country with its own Amazon page, just search KB Rumble and my book will be the first thing that pop up.

Also you can still get any of my previous books on the WWE Championship, Monday Night Raw from 1998 and 2001, Monday Nitro from 1995-97, In Your House, Summerslam, Starrcade, ECW Pay Per Views and Clash of the Champions at my author’s page here.

I hope you like it and shoot me any questions you might have.

Thomas Hall

Smackdown - November 21, 2014

Date: November 21, 2014
Location: Thompson-Boling Arena, Knoxville, Tennessee
Commentators: Tom Phillips, Michael Cole, John Bradshaw Layfield

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

It's the final show before Survivor Series and we're all the way up to five matches for Sunday. With the addition of the always treasured Divas elimination match, the pretty much exactly the same as it was on Monday. There's a major change to Sunday's main event announced though so things aren't all finalized. Let's get to it.

WCW Saturday Night: November 16, 1996

LostInUbe writes: Wait, so IF the nWo had offered DDP a spot earlier he would have joined them? So his standing up to the nWo is not about supporting WCW but about his hurt feelings?

Of course he would have, and it would have been completely in character. Here’s the thing about DDP, he’s a *total* scumbag who would screw over anyone to better himself. But he needs to feel like the most important guy in the room. He had Kimberly dancing around the ring for years, holding up scores of “10” to remind him how great he was. He wouldn’t even hand over the worthless BattleBowl ring to Eddie Guerrero after a loss, even though it has absolutely NO value, because it’s a reminder that he was awesome one night in May. Everything is about Diamond Dallas Page.

By neglecting Page until 7 other guys joined, he was basically being told “you’re worth less to us than Virgil”. And that, by anyone’s standards, and especially an egomaniac like Diamond Dallas Page, is NOT ok. So by staying with WCW, he can still worry about himself because nobody else is working in simpatico anyway, making him nobody’s lackey. He would have done the same thing if WCW had come to him as Sting’s replacement for War Games.

Mailbag question

Hi Scott,

Quick question: do you have any insight as to why WWE always refers to a "local medical facility" rather than a hospital? It's a minor thing but always slightly jarring. Thanks!

The explanation(s) I've always heard is that:

1) They don't want people in the local area who are watching the show to be showing up at the local hospital looking for the wrestler
, so they use the more generic "medical facility" because then it could be a whole bunch of places.

b) Alternately, there's apparently some legal mumbo-jumbo involved with claiming that someone is in a real hospital with regards to liability or something, but I've never really understood that one.  I think the first one is more feasible and easier to explain anyway.   

BoD Friday Night Thread

Talk about everything going on tonight here

WWF Wrestling Challenge December 21st, 1986

December 21, 1986

From the Community Center in Tuscon, AZ

Your hosts are Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon

In action tonight are the Honky Tonk Man, Hercules, and the main event of Hillbilly Jim & British Bulldogs vs. Moondog Spot & Dream Team

Me @ Survivor Series


So I'm going to be on camera and plan on bringing a few Tell 'Em Steve Dave signs, getting sloppy drunk, and yelling TELL EM STEVE DAVE as much as possible... Bad idea?

My IQ dropped 4 points just reading that e-mail and I feel like you literally owe me money for making me waste the 30 seconds that it took to read it, post this response, and come up with the insult required to sum up my feelings on it.

So, you know, whatever.  

Place to Be Nation Friday Update

Welcome to weekend everyone. Enjoy this sample from the week that was at PTBN!

Cast your vote now! The first four pools of PTBN's Greatest 90s Song Tournament are open for voting: PTBN’s Greatest Song of the 90s Tournament

Steve, Glenn and Kristle look at the complexities behind the growing intergender wrestling craze on the independent scene:  The High Spot: An Interlude on Intergender Wrestling

Brad, Justin & Ben ranked all 27 Survivor Series PPVs: Brad and Chad’s Survivor Series Rewind Special: Ranking the Survivor Series Shows

Scott & Justin's Vintage Vault Refresh series is through SummerSlam 1989: Scott & Justin’s Vintage Vault Refresh: SummerSlam 1989

Brad Woodling examined the Survivor Series 2009 main event: 2 DXers, 1 Champ

Russell Sellers looked at both CW's Flash and Dr. Strange this week: Sellers Points

PTBN's Seinfeld Rewatch checks out classic episodes "The Boyfriend" and "The Fix-Up": Seinfeld: The PTBN Series Rewatch

We also had a new Wrestling Culture Podcast on the WON HOF results, a Survivor Series Rewind Podcast that took us back to 1989 and a new Pro Wrestling Super Show looking at the Variations of the Four Horsemen

BoD Daily Update

Sheamus Update

While the injury segment on RAW was just part of the story, Sheamus has apparently underwent a surgical procedure. No word on when he will return to the ring.

Credit Mike Johnson, Feature on Survivor Series Teams That Almost Happened

New NXT Stable

The trio of Chad Gable, Angelo Dawkins, and Sawyer Fulton will be an amateur wrestling trio know as "Shoot Nation."

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

And make sure to vote for the Group R bracket in today's PTBN "Greatest Songs of the 90's" poll. Vote by clicking on the link below.

Best ECW tv matches


Hey Scott,

Long time reader. May have read almost all of your material. Curious about ECW Hardcore tv and any other tv matches. Watched ECW exposed 1 and 2, which are very good by the way. It was mentioned that Malenko and Guerrero had a 2/3 falls farewell match. Could there be some hidden gems and **** plus matches? Any plans to review Hardcore tv after Raw and Nitro?

ECW is a really hard TV show to review because it's not typically a show that builds to anything, and is frequently just bits and pieces of the bigger arena shows cut into hour long pieces.  It wasn't until the PPV era that it started to become more serialized.  Plus I hate ECW, so there's that.  

John Cena: Zero F***s Given?

After years of the same old boring storylines with the same old boring Cena character (makes Hogan's run look brief and fresh), it's obvious to most diehards that something needs to change.  However, most of those same diehards and other smarky style fans still give a strong live reaction whenever Cena appears, even if it is a "John Cena Sucks" sing-a-long or loud booing.  Problem with that behavior is that it communicates to Vince that, good or bad, it is still a strong reaction and Cena's consistent merch sales with that means more and more Super John.

If people really want true change, I propose a "meh" movement for Cena reactions where everyone fights the urge to boo and just sit down and "Don't give a F***" whenever he appears.  Silence is a much more powerful communication tool than booing in the carnival style wrestling world anyway.  (Then again, they may just overdub the crowd regardless to justify anything Cena related).

Just a Christmas wish from a bored fan who's best wrestling experience this month was watching CM Punk on Taking Dead.

​Yeah, but Cena's reactions are the least of his indicators.  He sells merchandise and is by far the biggest house show draw they have, so until either one of those changes you're out of luck.  In fact, your best bet is actually to cheer even harder for Roman Reigns when he comes back, because then that will instantly convince Vince that Reigns is the new top guy and Cena will get put out to pasture due to Vince's obsession with the newest and youngest.  ​

Lucha Underground

Has no one been emailing you about this? The show has been a breath of fresh air and is groundbreaking in terms of both how the show is packaged and plots are built. It is a great mix of traditional wrasslin' drama and TV drama. Have you continued watching since episode 1? Will you be doing nerds like me a solid by ranting on them? Any other insights to offer as relate to the show's development?

​Yes, I'm watching.  I just don't feel like doing reviews and picking it apart in the same way I would, say, 1995 WWF.  But it's absolutely the best weekly wrestling show right now, and it's destroying NXT and the WWE main shows both in storytelling and consistent quality of in-ring work presented.  Plus it's only an hour and they can still "tell stories" because it uses actual actors and actual TV writers.  ​

Thursday, November 20, 2014

BoD Thursday Night Thread

On tap for tonight:

NXT airs at 9pm EST on the WWE Network as Sami Zayn will address the crowd after last week's loss to Adrian Neville.

In the NBA there are just two games on the schedule and both of them are on TNT. At 8:00pm EST, the Los Angeles Clippers take on the Miami Heat and a 10:30pm EST the Chicago Bulls take on the Sacramento Kings.

The NHL has 11 games on the schedule tonight with the Minnesota Wild vs. Philadelphia Flyers at 7:00pm EST on the NHL Network.

College Basketball has several games on National TV tonight as well.

And for those expecting a shoot interview poll, I will do have one up this week as I do not have the time for a shoot recap so two weeks from today I will post the Eric Bischoff RF Video Shoot Interview.

Stuck in a Blizzard, a question for your Blog

Good afternoon Mr. Keith.  I am currently stuck in the narrow band of 5-8ft and counting of snow that is dumping upon Buffalo right now, and bracing for another one.  Just to pass the time, I know i'm not the only Western New Yorker reading your blog, and plenty of Canadians have felt this wrath before, the Network has become a GREAT way to pass the time.  Mostly i'm just going through my all time favs.

So, it replace Being trapped on an island with Being Snowed in, Driving Bans, No Plows etc. etc., what are some of the Blizzard Victims out there watching these days?  My Blizzard List:

Michaels/UT: WM25
Guerrero/Mysterio Havok 97
Steiners/Sting & Luger
ALL Wargames available in order
Benoit/Angle Rumble 03
Bash at the Beach 95 to warm me up in the worst way
and ofcourse, Royal Rumble 92

​Please, they don't even call a snow day up here until at LEAST 12 feet of snow have fallen.  And then anyone who doesn't show up gets called a pussy later.  

OK, that may be exaggerating.

You know, were it me, I would personally start going through the 2006-2009 PPVs where I giving zero fucks about the product at the time, because it would all be new to me and probably more interesting in a lot of ways than the current product.  ​

New savage dvd

Scott- I know your review cue is backlogged as is but the new savage dvd is really an amazing piece of work. It feels pretty honest as it covers savage the person more than savage the wrestler. It confirms a lot and hints at the steph thing too. Its also just overwhelmingly sad. I have no need to watch it again but glad I watched it.

A definite check it out.

​Yeah, I know.  One of my regular e-mailers was nice enough to buy me the Ultimate Warrior DVD off Amazon recently so I've gotta check that out as well (although it's on Netflix anyways), but I'm really pumped for the Savage set.  There's actually a bunch of stuff up on Netflix and the Network now that I haven't seen before, either, and the Netflix stuff is frequently the full three-disc version.  Too much to watch, not enough time!  ​

NXT - November 20, 2014

Date: November 20, 2014
Location: Full Sail University, Winter Park, Florida
Commentators: Renee Young, Alex Riley, Rich Brennan

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We're getting close to the end of the year and ultimately the next Takeover special, but now the main event isn't as clear. Last week Sami Zayn was tricked into losing his NXT Title shot against Adrian Neville, leaving his future up in the air. Other than that we have Itami/Balor getting ready for their showdown against the Ascension which will be the newcomers' official welcome to the company. Let's get to it.

Kamala is not doing well


Very interesting and touching article, although I have to agree with the note of skepticism that Hogan wouldn't take care of one of his biggest opponents.  Those Kamala matches drew like gangbusters because everyone instantly bought him as a threat and they could milk it for months around the horn.  You can say a lot of things about Vince and Hogan at that time, but they always did honest business with guys who were making them box office.  

RF Video Shoot Interview with Ricardo

This was released in October 2014.

The Interview was conducted by Rob Feinstein

It runs for three hours and six minutes long.

Sporting News: Survivor Series Preview and Predictions


BoD Daily Update

Brock Lesnar's Future Plans

It has been reported that Lesnar's WWE contract expires after WrestleMania 31. Lesnar has not signed an extension and at the moment Lesnar is leaning towards signing with UFC once his WWE contract ends.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Radio

Potential TLC PPV Matches 

Seth Rollins is scheduled at the moment to have a TLC match at the show. Two potential matches are him against Randy Orton or in a three-way against Orton and John Cena.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Chris Jericho Update

Right now, Jericho and the WWE are working out a deal that will be a "reverse Lesnar" deal as he will only be doing house shows for January and February but no TV or PPV's.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

And don't forget to vote for Place to be Nation's "Greatest Song of the 90's" tournament. You can vote by clicking on the link below for today's Group Q bracket.

RIP Brad Batten

In lieu of an SSW review this week, we pay tribute to one of the greatest SSW superstars of all time. 

RIP Brad Batten (1958 - 2014)

Wednesday, November 19, 2014

Impact Wrestling - November 19, 2014

Impact Wrestling 
Date: November 12, 2014 
Location: Sands Bethlehem Events Center, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania 
Commentators: Mike Tenay, Tazz

Reviewed by Tommy Hall 

And so, it ends. Well at least on SpikeTV. Tonight is the last episode of Impact Wrestling on the major network before it takes two months off and returns on a network in about 40 million less homes. To be fair though, it's better than no network at theory. Tonight is about setting up Roode vs. Lashley III so let's get to it.

Survivor Series statistics article

Hi Scott,

Just wanted to share this article I researched and wrote breaking down the 71 traditional Survivor Series elimination matches that have taken place throughout the years: It's in a similar vein as the Royal Rumble stats WWE loves to trot out every January, so any stat junkies out there (don't know if you're one of them) might appreciate it. 

I'm actually a little surprised WWE doesn't take advantage and plug some of this stuff, like Orton having eliminated the most wrestlers, or Ultimate Warrior's outstanding record surviving since they have been using him in self-promotion a lot. But then I realize it's WWE and come to my senses.

Anyway, thought you might enjoy. Take care and have good one.

Scott Carlson

WCW Nitro: November 11, 1996

As we head into another two hours of the nWo show, TheGrailspiral took me to task a little with last week’s review:

I still think these reviews, while entertaining, are too harsh. I would kill to watch this product today

I do my best to give you my very real feelings on what I’m watching week after week. Granted, I’m likely influenced by a lot of what happened later, but that’s bias in a nutshell. But let me be clear: I love WCW. I grew up on WCW. However, if Chris Jericho is being booked like an unbearable wiener (and he is), I’m going to point out how much of an unbearable wiener he is. Now stay tuned as I damn the Faces of Fear with praise until I’m served with a restraining order.

The line on the number of minutes dedicated to Hogan/Piper is set at 81.5. Take the over.

BoD Wednesday Night Thread

On tap for tonight:

TNA's final episode of Impact on Spike TV airs tonight. Matches include:

Gail Kim vs. Taryn Terrell vs. Havok for the Knockouts Title
Low Ki vs. DJZ vs. Tigre Uno vs. Manik for the vacant X Division Title
Bram vs. Tommy Dreamer in a Hardcore Match
Chris Melendez vs. Kenny King

The NBA has 11 games on the schedule. On ESPN tonight at 7pm EST it is San Antonio Spurs vs. Cleveland Cavaliers while at 9:30pm EST it will be the Los Angeles Lakers vs. Houston Rockets.

In the NHL, there are just two games on the schedule with the Philadelphia Flyers vs. New York Rangers at 8pm EST on the NBC Sports Network.

And over at Place to be Nation, check out the Survivor Series Rankings Podcast as they rank all 27 of the Survivor Series shows. You can listen by clicking on the link below:

Place to be Nation also has an article by Brad Woodling on the 2009 Survivor Series that you can also check out by clicking on the link below

Sports Illustrated Article with Bret Hart on the "Montreal Screwjob"

0 comments put out the article today that you can view by clicking on the link below. A refreshing topic for everyone here to discuss.

Reanimating the corpse


So yeah, now they're gonna be on Destination America.  Wonder how long before Dixie brings back Vince Russo, too?  

Reanimating the corpse


So yeah, now they're gonna be on Destination America.  Wonder how long before Dixie brings back Vince Russo, too?  

Monday Nitro - June 28, 1999

Monday Nitro #194
Date: June 28, 1999
Location: United Center, Chicago, Illinois
Attendance: 16,210
Commentators: Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We've got two shows left before Bash at the Beach and the big story tonight is Ric Flair having some sort of a big surprise for World Champion Kevin Nash. The last week of shows was better than the stuff they've been putting on lately, although that really doesn't cover much. You never can tell what sort of nonsense you're going to get on here so let's get to it.

BoD Daily Update

RAW Ratings

RAW was down from last week with 3.76 million viewers. Here are the hourly breakdowns:

8pm: 3.89
9pm: 3.78
10pm: 3.64

The show is expected to do a 2.7 rating

Alberto Del Rio Update

According to Mike Johnson of, Del Rio was telling numerous fans at the "Signamania" convention this past weekend that in 2015 he will be wrestling for both Lucha Underground and TNA.

Sheamus Update

For those of you who are wondering, the injury that Sheamus suffered on RAW were all part of the storyline and not legitimate.

Credit Mike Johnson,

New Match Added to Survivor Series

A Diva's traditional Survivor Series match has been added to the card as Alicia Fox & Natalya & Naomi & Emma vs. Paige & Cameron & Summer Rae & Layla will be on the live show.

And dont forget to vote in today's Group P bracket in Place to be Nation's "Greatest Song of the 90's" tournament. You can vote by clicking on the link below.

Cena = worst partner ever?

I read the Cageside review and I'm glad I wasn't alone wondering where the heck Super-Cena: defender of all that is true and good was while Dolph got beaten up by 4 guys and screwed out of his title, or when Sheamus was put through a table, or Show choked out.  Does Vince realize how unlikable their child friendly star appears to be to anyone over 12?   Is there a worse message to send the so called PG fan base than "sit around and watch your friends get beat up, don't worry they'll still defend your honor".  Not too mention, Cena is likely going over strong for the Brock-push, so literally the ENTIRE roster, face and heel will be buried by Cena's booking.  His team looks stupid and clueless for risking their jobs for a selfish jerkwad, and the authority will be jobbers for him.  He is the real life equivalent of the high school jock and NO ONE likes the high school jock!   They should just pair Nikki with him already

​Not to mention that now everyone who did stand up with him is risking their job (in storyline) if they lose.  And while we know Cena would get hired back somehow the night after, do you really think anyone is going to stick their neck out to get Erick Rowan his job back?  

This is what happens when they lose all their top stars and have never bothered to make new ones.  All Cena, All The Time! ​

Question for the blog

Hi Scott,

So, the Monday Night Wars, then - the era, not the TV show.

I've been a WWF fan since 1990, but I'm starting to think that maybe the wrong side won.

Were these long 13+ years the Invasion, HHH vs Everyone, and Cena vs Orton, really worth what we lost?

The big news these days is the Performance Center - the Powerplant on, uh, steroids - and the Network. Simply put, WCW + Turner = pretty damn good coverage.

You'd still get the best of the indies coming in (Punk, Bryan, name 'em).

TNA would never have existed.

Your thoughts?

​If you think that WCW wouldn't have managed to self-destruct even in a monopoly, you're fooling yourself.  They were doomed to die and I'd rather the wrestling world be at least controlled by someone with a track record of success.  ​