Friday, November 28, 2014

BoD Daily Update

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Brock Lesnar Update

As of right now the WWE will be promoting all of the RAW shows during WrestleMania season that Lesnar appears on around him. Here are the dates that Lesnar is confirmed for at the moment:

12/8: RAW
12/29: RAW
1/12: RAW
1/25: Royal Rumble
1/26: RAW

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter



Original Plan For The Authority Role on This Past RAW

The original plan was for a Vince McMahon/John Cena segment to air on RAW that would lead to a period of no authority figure on the show but decided to switch to the anonymous GM  role. There is even some talk right now of a "weekly GM of the night" that would be filled by a celebrity guest.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter



WWE To Have More Major Storylines Develop on Smackdown?

To coincide with the move to the more popular Thursday night time slot, the WWE is wanting to treat Smackdown as an equal to RAW instead of a "B" show by having a lot of major storylines play out on the show.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter



Sheamus Update

Sheamus who was supposed to be hurt in storyline only after being put through a table by Mark Henry ended up getting legitimately injured by that move. The WWE has not confirmed the injury and said it was just a "stinger."

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter




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Lesnar Plans?

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Scott,
 
If it is indeed true that Brock Lesnar is done with WWE after WrestleMania, do you think it is worth having him headline that show as champion?  In the internet era of instant information, everyone is going to know he's done before the show even rolls around.  They ran into that problem at WrestleMania 20 the last time he (and his opponent) left.  The only saving grace for that match was that it was thankfully not the main event or a title match getting shit all over by the crowd.  Personally, I think if WWE knows he is done post-WM31, Brock doesn't go into the show as champ.  I think the way to go is for Cena to take the belt at Rumble and be the guy to put Reigns over at Mania.  As mentioned on the Blog by many, having Cena as champ is the one surefire way to get the fans to support Reigns in that match.  I'm not sure Reigns gets the fans' support against Lesnar and I could see the whole "Brock threatens to retire with the belt tomorrow night" concept blowing up in their faces if the fans aren't all-in on Reigns.  I think Cena vs. Roman is the way to go if Reigns is the next Guy.  I would then have Rusev go over Lesnar to pass the "monster" torch before Brock leaves.  If they are going to put Rusev over the whole world en route to going against Cena (and eventually Reigns), then may as well go all the way and have him beat Brock.  This way you get something lasting out of Lesnar's last match without risking fan backlash against Lesnar vs. Reigns and Cena vs. Rusev. 

​Yeah, you can certainly say that WWE's timing on this Brock contract deal is not working out very well for them, to say the least.  Especially with both UFC and Bellator very publicly in a sort-of bidding war for Brock's services once his deal is up.  Basically Vince has gotten none of the rub or money increases from having Brock around, put his main title in the deep freeze for months with no payoff yet, and then is pretty much guaranteed to lose the guy to his competition the day after the deal is finished.  ​I wasn't really on the "drop the title before Wrestlemania" train before now, but it might be the smarter play at this point. Hell, given hindsight he probably shouldn't have won it in the first place, since the Night of Champions show was such a flop that it negated any of the point of him winning it.  

Thursday, November 27, 2014

NXT - November 27, 2014

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NXT
Date: November 27, 2014
Location: Full Sail University, Winter Park, Florida
Commentators: Rich Brennan, Renee Young, Jason Albert

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

The big story this week is Finn Balor facing Tyson Kidd in his first singles match in NXT. It's going to be interesting to see how much more impressive he is than Itami, who hasn't done much for me, though he needs a longer match than he's had so far. Other than that we're gearing up for Zayn vs. Neville II in two weeks and it should be glorious. Let's get to it.

WCW Saturday Night: November 23, 1996

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Sometimes it’s hard to embrace change, and other times it’s just so good it’s delicious. I’m still not quite sure what to make of Monday night. On one hand, you can’t question his motives – his track record has earned himself the benefit of the doubt. But was it the right move in the long run? I don’t know. I think at the end of the day, it probably wound up hurting a lot more than it helped at all, and even though likely won the Ugly Christmas Sweater contest at Turner Studios, I truly believe Ric Flair cost himself at least a dozen riders for Space Mountain.


TONY SCHIAVONE has stopped his protest and rejoined the cast of WCW. DUSTY RHODES is dressed with him, all in black, to mourn the death of Ric Flair’s style. Also on the agenda, discussion of Eric Bischoff’s new role as the leader of the nWo.

Evening Thread - Thanksgiving Edition

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Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Stranger is back to post your evening thread. Here's what's going on tonight:

WWE Network has NXT at 9/8c with Finn Balor taking on Tyson Kidd. Supestars follows at 10/9c with The Usos vs. Slater Gator and Jack Swagger vs. Curtis Axel.

NFL Thanksgiving night game has NFC West action with Seattle (7-4) taking on San Francisco (7-4).

Only NHL action tonight is Edmonton at Nashville.

There is also early Black Friday madness, so if you have any stories on that front, please share.

Happy Thanksgiving (To Some Of You) - Daily Thread

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Happy Thanksgiving to those in the US... and a happy Thursday to the rest. Enjoy the day and enjoy a small sampling of Thanksgiving goodness from PTBN along the way!

PTBN offers a video collection of Thanksgiving Wrestling memories: PTBN Thanksgiving Wrestling Bounty of Awesome

Scott & Justin revisited Survivor Series 1989 for their Vintage Vault Refresh series: Scott & Justin’s Vintage Vault Refresh: Survivor Series 1989

The Main Event and Kevin Kelly Show both delivered special Thanksgiving Episodes!

The PTBN Comics Staff served up PTBN's Second Annual Comic Comic Cornucopia of Thanksgiving

PTBN's Survivor Series Rewind Series looked back at 1989, 1998 and 2009: PTBN Survivor Series Rewind

And remember to vote in the Greatest Song of the 90s Tournament! Group X went up this morning...be sure to choose five of ten songs: PTBN’s Greatest Song of the 90s Tournament

Feel free to use this as a Daily Thread unless The Brian Bayless pops in with his usual news update!

Heel Hogan in WWF circa 1993?

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Was it ever on the cards for Hulk Hogan to turn heel in the WWF back in 1993, prior to him leaving for WCW?

With hindsight, it seems like it would've been the natural thing to do. His act was already stale by that point and the fans were starting to turn against him anyway. A Hogan heel turn would've generated massive publicity for the struggling WWF at that time, and a feud between the newly hated Hogan and Bret Hart as the babyface underdog could've been a big draw.

All you ever heard from Vince McMahon at the time though was that he wanted Hulk Hogan to become the "Babe Ruth of the WWF", steadily phased out of the limelight but brought back periodically as a "special attraction".

McMahon was so fixated on this particular conception of Hogan's future that he couldn't see the forest for the trees. He could've stolen a march on WCW by a good three years and made a mint from a Hogan heel run.

Were they that blind that they couldn't see it? Surely turning a wrestler when his act is going stale is one of the oldest tricks in the wrestling promoter's manual? Did McMahon really just see Hogan as a perennial good guy and nothing besides?

​Sure seems that way.  Hogan for his part was equally behind the times, as he didn't see Bret Hart as a viable alternative to the top babyface spot, so blame can go both ways there.  And then look at what Vince did as soon as Hogan left -- he tried to create Lex Luger in his image as another patriotic top musclehead babyface!  Plus, although Hogan's act was stale, it's not like people were actively booing him like they were once he got to WCW, so the dynamic might not have worked the same.  ​

CM Punk owns the internet while you sleep

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We interrupt our scheduled report on the Southern States Wrestling Thanksgiving Extravaganza to bring you this important announcement:  this week's episode of What's Crackin With Scotty Goldman is quite spiffy.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/11/27/7298557/cm-punk-story-walking-out-on-wwe

Wednesday, November 26, 2014

WCW Nitro: November 18, 1996

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No intro; instead, we’re led right into the ring where THE OUTSIDERS are standing over a fallen gang of wrestlers. Let’s see, we’ve got HIGH VOLTAGE, THE NASTY BOYS, CICLOPE, and GALAXY. The head right over to the ringside seats, where your announcers TONY SCHIAVONE and LARRY ZBYSZKO are sitting. Nash is peeved at Tony for laughing at him last week, and asks him if he ever wants to be able to pick up his kids again? Hall says all he’s ever heard anymore is that the Faces of Fear are the scariest team in the world, but if they have the guts to come down to ringside, they’ll slap the coconut breath right out of them. (Hey, that’s racist!) Larry refuses to back down, no matter how much they try to intimidate him.

The Outsiders head to the back, and they’re ambushed by THE FACES OF FEAR and JIMMY HART. Hall is able to throw a heavy full garbage can at Barbarian, and he DOESN’T EVEN FLINCH! The Fear beat their asses all the way to the outside of the arena, where the camera man gives up following. I think my heart just grew 3 sizes.

BoD Evening Thread

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If you aren't going out tonight, talk about everything else that is going on here.

Happy Thanksgiving, BoD!

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From my house to yours. I just wanted to wish all my American friends, right HERE, on Scott Keith's Blog of Doom, a Happy Thanksgiving. I also want to wish any non-Americans a happy Thursday, and you shouldn't be reading this while at WORK, SUCKERS!

WWE Network Receives CRTC Approval

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Basically this means that all the other service providers in Canada (all 2 of them) are now free to buy the channel from Rogers and provide it to people, and they don't have to worry about Canadian content or anything.  Kind of funny that there was objections due to the channel not being internet-based like the US one and not having all the same content, and Rogers response was basically "Yeah, well, too bad." and they still approved it anyways.

Canadian TV, ladies and gentlemen.  I shall remain a citizen of Lafayette, LA, for the forseeable future.  

Superstars you didn't know were related - 5 Things

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Cute list, but how the hell do they explain the Blackjack Mulligan-IRS relationship and then completely ignore the more obvious IRS family relationship?  Are we back in the 80s, where breaking kayfabe by admitting that Bray Wyatt and Bo Dallas are brothers would somehow shatter our suspension of disbelief and cause ratings to drop even lower?

Monday Nitro - July 5, 1999

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Monday Nitro #195
Date: July 5, 1999
Location: Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia
Attendance: 25,338
Commentators: Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

We're back in WCW's home town now for the go home show for Bash at the Beach. At the moment there are only a few matches announced for Sunday but that's better than we've been getting lately. The main story continues to be Nash stealing Gorgeous George and Savage being a psycho. Well that and the youth movement being crushed like a bug. Let's get to it.

Quantity and quality

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Hi Scott,

Forgive the topic name but had to put something there?!

I got thinking after reading your reply to someone about them watching Raw, Smackdown, Main Event AND NXT...

My wrestling viewing/fandom has been reduced from the above to simply reading Raw results, cherry picking anything that might be worth watching (hint: not much) and watching NXT & Lucha Underground. 

I also catch a couple of British wrestling shows a month (I'm a UK resident)... it amazes me how some people have the time to watch WWE, TNA, ROH as well as their local shows?! Jeez!

What does your wrestling viewing consist of these days? Anything you really enjoy or dislike?


​Well, I have RAW cut down to watching the "Top 10 RAW Moments" highlight package on YouTube, and I occasionally still watch NXT but don't feel the need to rant about it at this point. Mostly I derp around on the Network, and I actually watched both parts of the ECW Exposed special last night, and it was really good!  Paul Heyman was shockingly honest with all the questions and really seemed to have things in perspective.  It was actually a really fun show.  I might go through and start watching some of the 95 Hardcore TVs now, in fact. ​

BoD Daily Update

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WWE RAW Rating

RAW had it's biggest audience since the NFL season began with 4.23 million viewers. However, they had a sharp drop after the first hour. Here are the hourly breakdowns:

8pm: 4.73 million viewers
9pm: 3.99 million viewers
10pm: 4.01 million viewers

Credit F4WOnline.com



First TNA Impact Tapings to air on Destination America Announced

TNA will be at the Manhattan Center from 1/7-1/9. The plan is for the first show to air live but that is all pending Destination America confirming Wednesday night for the show.

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/100-tna/40067-first-impact-tapings-for-destination-america-announced



Details on Final Episodes of TNA Programming on Spike TV

TNA will air the best of Imacpt for 2014 on 12/3 and 12/10. On 12/17 and 12/24, they will air a countdown show leading up to the All-Time Best Moment in TNA history.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/item/6229-TNA-Reveals-Schedule-For-Final-Four-Episodes-of-IMPACT-WRESTLING-on-SPIKE?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+impactwrestling%2Fnews+%28Impact+Wrestling+%7C+Latest+News%29



Highspots Releases Voices of World Class Shoot Interview

The two-hour long interview with Bill Mercer and Marc Lowrance was conducted by Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com. Click on the link below to view the trailer.






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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

The Kevin Kelly Show Episode 23 – Dr. Tom Returns

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On Episode 23 of The Kevin Kelly Show, Kevin welcomes back PTBN favorite Dr. Tom Prichard. Tom talks about what he is thankful for, booking styles in the past in contrast to modern day, his favorites bookers to work with, his thoughts on John Laurinaitis, whether or not he would purchase WWE if he had the chance and much more!

Kevin & JR then discuss Thanksgiving wrestling memories, Survivor Series, TNA and more before hitting up the always popular trending topics! They then close things out with a couple of Turkey Day themed games!

So please join us for another great episode of the Kevin Kelly Show!



The SmarK Rant for Monday Night RAW–12.18.95

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The SmarK Rant for Monday Night RAW – 12.18.95

FINALLY the horror of 1995 comes to a close. However, the ad wizards who run the Network have omitted the next two episodes, because I think they’re just fucking with us at this point.

Live from Newark, DE. There’s more than one Newark?

Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jerry Lawler, and we have yet another minor makeover of the show with new purple graphics.

WWF Superstars of Wrestling December 27th, 1986

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December 27, 1986

From the Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix, AZ

Your hosts are Bruno Sammartino, Jesse "The Body" Ventura, and Vince McMahon.

In action tonight will be Randy Savage, Adrian Adonis, and a six-man tag featuring the Dream Team & Dino Bravo vs. Hillbilly Jim & Tito Santana & Pedro Morales plus a look at the career of Andre the Giant.

Big Show Face/Heel turns

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Scott, 

After some discussion about it on Sunday in the Survivor Series live thread, here is (what I believe to be) the complete list of Big Show face/heel turns. Sadly, done mostly from memory. 

- Joe 

The Giant/Big Show Face-Heel Turns.

 

·            1995 – Starts out as a heel in the Dungeon of Doom.

·            July/August, 1996 – Becomes a de facto face in the WCW v. nWo feud as World Champion, feuding with and losing the WCW Title to "Hollywood" Hogan.

·            September, 1996 –  Joins nWo, turns heel against WCW.

·            December, 1996 – Turns face against the nWo, rejoins WCW to feud with Hogan and The Outsiders.

·            May, 1998 – Turns against WCW, joins the nWo Hollywood faction. Feuds with Sting, Kevin Nash.

·            January 1999 – When the nWo reforms, gets dumped by the Hollywood faction and beaten by Kevin Nash who becomes the "Giant" of the nWo.

 

Debuts in WWF/E.

 

·            February 14, 1999 – Debuts at St. Valentine's Day Massacre as part of Vince McMahon's corporation, definitely as a heel. Starts to rub the Rock the wrong way though.

·            March 25, 1999 – Punches Vince McMahon in the face at the end of his match v. Mankind, becomes babyface and joins the U.N.I.O.N against Shane McMahon.

·            July, 1999 – Forms heel team with Undertaker against the tag champions Kane & X-Pac, beating them at Summerslam for the belts and losing them to the Rock & Sock Connection.

·            October, 1999 – Undertaker injury leaves Show directionless, starts angle with Boss Man over dying father to become a babyface again. Beats HHH to win the WWF Title to cement the face turn at Survivor Series.

·            January, 2000 – Takes offense to the Rock calling people "jabronies," becomes heel again. Aligns himself with Shane McMahon.

·            April, 2000 – Becomes happy-go-lucky face the night after WrestleMania. Feuds with Kurt Angle and Shane McMahon. Does an injury angle in May 2000.

·            July,2000 – Returns from injury and turns heel to feud with a now babyface Undertaker, but is almost immediately sent to OVW to lose weight.

·            January 2001 – Returns at the 2001 Royal Rumble, still a heel. Feuds with Rock and Kane.

·            July 2001 – Becomes a babyface when the WWE v. Alliance feud takes over the storylines. Aligned with the WWF, against the Alliance.

·            May, 2002 – Turns heel, aligns with Ric Flair over snub of not being on the WrestleMania X-8 card.

·            October 2002 – Heels on Eric Bischoff because his talents are being wasted on Raw, gets traded to Smackdown as a result.

·            October 2002 – Arrives on Smackdown as a babyface and goes heel immediately, taking out the Undertaker and beating Brock Lesnar in a heel v. heel match for the WWE Title (Heyman turns and joins Big Show, turning Brock babyface). This is a pretty prolific heel run, contending for the World title on multiple ppvs, feuding with the Undertaker, winning the US title and starting his never-ending feud with John Cena. This run ended when in April 2004 he lost a loser gets fired match to Eddie Guerrero and threw Kurt Angle off a ledge or something.

·            September 2004 – Returns to Smackdown to feud with heel GM Kurt Angle, making him a babyface. Stays a babyface through a feud with Angle, JBL, and Carlito before being drafted over to Raw in 2005. Teams with Kane to win tag titles.

·            July 4, 2006 – Gets drafted to ECW and turns heel, aligning with Paul Heyman and beating RVD for the ECW Title. Stays heel for the end of this run until December to Dismemeber in 2006 when he loses the World Title to Bobby Lashely.

 

Big Show leaves the company in December 2006 and is out until No Way Out, February 2007.

 

·            Returns at No Way Out as ostensibly a babyface, then goes heel in Floyd Mayweather confrontation. Show wrestled mostly as a heel, but the face/heel dynamics in the Mayweather feud changed seemingly weekly, ending at Mania 24 with Big Show getting most of the babyface heat at Mayweather most of the heel heat. I think.

·            Definitely a face after WrestleMania 24, feuding with the Great Khali.

·            September 2008 – Turns heel against the Undertaker, aligns with Vicki Guerrero. Some pretty good heel moments here, including his affair with Vicki and tag teams with Chris Jericho ("Jeri-show") and The Miz ("Show-Miz").

·            April 2010 – Turns on Miz after losing the belts to the Hart Dynasty, becoming a face and moving to Smackdown. Feuded with World Champion Jack Swagger and CM Punk's Straight Edge Society, and into 2011 had a pretty great feud with Mark Henry.

·            June, 2012 – Gets fired by Johnny Laurenitis on a Monday and turns heel on John Cena the following Sunday. Pretty effective heel run here, winning the World title and dropping it to the bland Alberto Del Rio, making him an interesting face for a bit.

·            March/April 2013 – Aligns himself with faces Sheamus & Randy Orton to fight the Shield, then turns on them after a losing effort at WrestleMania 29.

·            September, 2013 – Becomes a whipping boy for "The Authority," doing bad things because he had no choice. Turns face and feuds with Orton.

·            November, 23, 2014 – Turns heel against John Cena and joins the Authority; issues a "mea culpa" to the fans that goes unaccepted and remains a heel. 

​I believe the actual number was calculated to be 32 by the uber-nerds of the wrestling world​, so you're actually a few short here, believe it or not.  Mind-blowing, I know.  Makes Lex Luger look like a stable personality.  

New Viewers

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Scott,

I've been reading your wrestling blog for a couple months, and I was curious what you think the WWE can do to bring more new fans in. 

My wife and I just started watching this year.  We're nerdy type people so we gravitated toward the websites and an analytical view of wrestling pretty quickly, but I still get the sense that we enjoy the product a lot more than long time fans do--maybe we're just less jaded, and still surprised by things others wouldn't be.

In any case, it seems like bringing in new fans shoudl be a key part of the WWE's strategy, but I don't see them doing much outreach to prospective viewers.  I firmly believe most people would enjoy wrestling if they would give it a shot, but most people just thhink of it as "stupid" and "fake."

I knwo what sorts of things make more invested fans happier, but there's got to be mroe the WWE can do to reach out to people like me and my wife, who just had to give it a shot--now we watch Raw, Smackdown, Main Event, and NXT every week, along with various documentaries and old PPVs.  If they limit themselves to reaching out to current fans for Network subscriptions, they're never expanding their brand.

--Kevin


​That's some impressive dedication.  I can hardly stand to sit through an episode of Smackdown, let alone a whole week of programming.  But then I'm old and jaded and still feel like the peak of wrestling was WCW Saturday Night in 1986. 

Wrestling is a weird animal, in that it's very soap-operatic and people either tend to get it or don't get it. The main problem is that the stories aren't connecting with people and there's no real larger than life characters for people to relate to or get invested in.  They need to find someone to capture the imagination of the general public again, which was looking to be Randy Orton briefly before they inexplicably took him off TV to shoot his movie.  They can shill the Network's price point and put displays in K-Mart all they want, but until there's someone people want to see and a story they want to get invested in, they're gonna be sitting at their 2.7 maximum rating.​

BoD Tuesday Night Thread

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On tap for tonight:



Main Event begins on the WWE Network at 8pm EST with a main event of Dean Ambrose vs. Kane.



The NBA has 5 games on the schedule with the Golden State Warriors vs. Miami Heat at 7:30pm EST on ESPN



The NHL has 7 games on the schedule with the Colorado Avalanche vs. Phoenix Coyotes at 9:00pm EST on TVA.



College Basketball is on tonight highlighted by #12 Villanova vs. #19 Michigan at 10:00pm EST on ESPN 2.


What the World Was Watching: Judgment Day - In Your House

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by Logan Scisco

-Jim Ross and Jerry “The King” Lawler are in the booth and they are live from Chicago, Illinois.

BoD Daily Update

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Sting Update

While the plan remains for Sting to wrestle against the Undertaker at WrestleMania 31, there is some talk that Sting vs. HHH might happen and it could even be before WrestleMania.

Credit PWInsider via Wrestling Inc



AJ Lee Update

There are no current plans for AJ to leave the WWE. Her match at Survivor Series was booked that way for storyline only and not because she is leaving or requesting a release.

Credit Mike Johnson, PWInsider.com



Kayfabe Commentaries Debuts a New Series Today

"Back to the Territories" hosted by Jim Cornette was released today. The first installment has him interview Jim Duggan as they talk about the Mid South promotion. Click on the link below to view the trailer.






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