Tuesday, March 3, 2015

WCW Saturday Night: February 1, 1997

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One Year Ago: On the 02/03 Saturday Night, Ric Flair cheats to beat Dean Malenko before vowing to have Elizabeth ride Space Mountain one more time. On the 02/05 Nitro, Chris Benoit and Randy Savage tear it up, Marcus Bagwell has what is likely his best singles match ever, and the Road Warriors get a tag-team title shot. Feel free to look back fondly at all your favorite Todd Morton moments by clicking those links. I’ll still be here when you get back.

TONY SCHIAVONE and DUSTY RHODES welcome us to the Cyborg Factory aboard the Mothership for my favorite 2-hours of the week. Yes, even more-so than Nitro, because the nWo stays away from this show and they’re really starting to get on my nerves. Thank god Hogan doesn’t work Saturdays.

WWF WrestleMania III

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March 29th, 1987

From the Pontiac Silverdome in Pontiac, MI

Your hosts are Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Monsoon

BoD Evening Thread

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Talk about everything going on tonight here.

RNR Express in 1988

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Watching Clash of the champions Miami Mayhem and they have a segment welcoming back the rock n roll express. Yet I don't remember them doing anything of note in the nwa that year. So, is there a story behind this?

If it's the time period I'm thinking of, they jumped to the AWA for a little while and bounced around between there and Memphis.  The appeal was really dead in the water by late 88 because it was really a short shelf life on the teen idol thing.  They didn't really pop up again until 1990 and by that time the act was pretty much done thanks to Gibson's pretty gnarly knee injury and the Steiner Brothers becoming the team everyone wanted. 

More Reigns!

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To me, the turning point for Roman's demise was immediately after the Rollins betrayal.  Look at the contrast between the reactions of Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns:

Dean Ambrose: Goes off the deep end seeking revenge and talking Rollins, turning it into the hottest feud in the WWE for a couple of months.
Roman Reigns: "Meh."

Yeah, but in Vince's mind that's a feature, not a bug.  The John Cena Babyface Prototype is always stoic in the face of setbacks, laughs off big losses because he can always get another title shot, and presents himself as being above the midcarders because he's a star.  That was their way of pushing Reigns.  

CM Punk Chants

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This came up in the comment section:

1) What are your thoughts on them in general?

2) Do you feel having them during AJ Lee's return is a setback for #GiveDivasAChance?

1. Given that he now has a contract with UFC, it seems like a futile gesture on the crowds' part.  

2.  If giving Divas a chance means more Bellas, I hope no one does.  

The SmarK Rant for WCW Monday Nitro–03.18.96

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The SmarK Rant for WCW Monday Nitro – 03.18.96

Live from Chattanooga, TN

Your hosts are Eric Bischoff, Bobby Heenan & Mongo

Lenny Lane: The Forgotten Cruiserweight Champion

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Often times when people think about the WCW/WWE Cruiserweight Championship wrestlers such as Rey Mysterio Jr., Eddie Guerrero, Billy Kidman, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko Juventud Guerrera and Chavo Guerrero Jr. are likely to come to mind. Rightfully so as those guys continually put on incredible matches in the mid to late 1990s for World Championship Wrestling. The WCW Cruiserweight Championship became a championship match that fans were almost guaranteed a fantastic match.

Eventually, the repetitive championship switches started to annoy fans. How many times could we deal with seeing Rey Mysterio Jr. beating Juventud or Psychosis to win the championship before it was no longer interesting? WCW took notice and in the summer of 1999 they made a controversial decision.

BoD Daily Update

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Former NXT Wrestler Alleges Bill DeMott Bullied Trainees with Homophobic and Physical Abuse

Austin Draven, who wrestled as Judas Devlin in NXT, revealed the memo that he sent to WWE Officials accusing DeMott of misconduct. You can click on the link below to view the memo.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0302/589965/former-wwe-nxt-wrestler-makes-harsh-accusations-towards-bill/index.shtml



WWE Planning New Tag Match for WrestleMania

Even before last night's return of AJ Lee, the plan was for AJ & Paige to face off against the Bella's at WrestleMania

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0302/589947/spoiler-top-star-backstage-for-tonight-wwe-raw/



Kevin Nash Already Confirmed for the WWE Hall of Fame?

According to Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com, Nash is listed as a Hall of Famer this year in a special WrestleMania retrospective magazine that has recently hit the shelves. Johnson himself had reported that Nash would be inducted weeks ago.

http://pwinsider.com/article/92011/wwe-confirms-another-hall-of-famer-sort-of.html?p=1


Matt's Monday Night RAW Recap - 3/2/2015

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The main event at WrestleMania is still Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar. Rumors are flying that Lesnar's unhappy with his current contract and that he's considering a UFC comeback and that he may not even show up at WrestleMania.

Monday, March 2, 2015

BoD RAW

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This has nothing to do with the WWE


The SmarK Rant for WCW Monday Nitro–03.11.96

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The SmarK Rant for WCW Monday Nitro – 03.11.96

All the cool kids are watching Nitro on Monday nights, you know.

LIVE (after a one week break for a mini-series) from Winston-Salem, NC

Your hosts are Eric Bischoff, Bobby Heenan & Mongo. Funny how Bischoff keeps calling it “the Warzone”, considering what RAW would become less than a year later.

Monday Night Open Mic

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Howdy Blog O'Doomers!

The road to Wrestlemania continues tonight. I know I'm jacked! Should we have another "RAW Reunion" show before the day?

Anyway despite the apathy that some of us have for the top of the card, I'm hopeful they can get the ball rolling on the rest of these matches soon enough.

As for TV

RAW

5 NBA Games, 3 NHL...remember to check the trade deadline in the NHL to make sure the team you support hasn't been completely dismantled.

The Bachelor, The Voice, Gotham, Better Call Saul...all new episodes tonight!

Keep it clean!

World Class Lightning Round

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Scott....Going thru my VHS tapes purge has inspired me to ask: can you do a "World Class" version of the Lightning Round? If you could give me (your pick) the best (North America) match of the following:


Kerry Von Erich (overall)

He had some hellacious matches with Flair (duh) but my favorite was actually a match with Harley Race of all people, shortly before Kerry won the title.  It was on WWE 24/7 on some random themed month and it was GREAT. 

Kerry Von Erich (post amputation....after 1986-ish)

Jerry Lawer at Superclash, and it's not even debatable.  Everything else he did with the missing foot was hot garbage.  

Bruiser Brody

I honestly haven't seen more than about 3 Brody matches in my life.  He was before my time as a fan for the most part.  

Chris Adams

Discovering and training Steve Austin eclipses anything else he did in the business.  He had some great tag matches with Gino, but nothing I can think of off-hand.  Another guy who was basically before my time as a fan when he was peaking.  

Kevin Von Erich

Gotta be Flair.  

David Von Erich

Died before I even became a fan.  

Michael Hayes

One of the 80 million six-mans with the Von Erichs.  

Terry Gordy

He had a lot of great ones in All Japan.  

Gino Hernandez

Before my time.  I vagely remember the team with Chris Adams and saw some good stuff there, but otherwise I couldn't judge.  

Abdullah the Butcher

Yeah OK then.  

Brian Adidas (talk about obscure.......)

No idea.  

Jimmy Garvin

Flair in the Precious cage match.  

Thanks.....

(Also, going forward, which email is the best one to use?)

BoD Daily Update

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Brock Lesnar Update

While the exact reason as to why Lesnar walked out before RAW is still unknown, his argument with Vince McMahon was described as "loud and heated" and it became loud enough that people were became concerned, mainly for Vince. Also, at last Tuesday's Smackdown tapings, people within the WWE reportedly asked Vince if they needed to come up with a backup plan for the WrestleMania main event but Vince said no and assured them that Lesnar would be there working the show because he is contractually obliged to and said something to the effect that he would sue Lesnar if he did in fact no-show the PPV.

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0301/589920/backstage-news-on-vince-mcmahon-and-brock-lesnar-arguing-at-raw/



Jon Stewart to Appear on RAW

Stewart will appear to accept a challenge that was brought on Seth Rollins, who challenged Stewart on the "Daily Show."

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-03-02/five-point-preview-27146168/page-3



Samoa Joe Update

Independent promotions have been told that Joe will not be taking any more dates after April, which has lead to speculation that he might be signing with the WWE. Joe's last date for Ring of Honor is on April 25th.

Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Radio



WWE To Introduce a Diva to the 2015 Hall of Fame Class Tonight?

The WWE.com website is teasing that a Diva will be announced as a Hall of Famer tonight

http://www.wwe.com/classics/wwe-hall-of-fame/wwe-hall-of-fame-inductee-announcement-diva-27148527



Also, head on over to Place to be Nation and check out "This Week in 90's Wrestling" as they tackle March 1st-7th.

http://placetobenation.com/this-week-in-90s-wrestling-march-1st-7th/

Question for you regarding another match closing out besides Roman/Brock..

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Hey Scott, what's going on?

So, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the E flushing down Lesnar/Reings midway though the show, for several reasons.

I think it's safe to assume that Brock's just closing out whatever business he has left at this point. As in, fulfilling his contract by showing up and not much else. Go out there, make the appearance, do the job, get paid, go back home to hunting and screwing Sable. 


On the other side of the coin, you have Roman Reigns, who's probably gonna get booed out of the building, and the whole thing is gonna be far more awkward than Brock's other match with Goldberg. At least Goldberg had a following, no matter how hostile the crowd at 20 was toward him. Roman's got, what, a very small fanbase of women, children and Vince McMahon?

Next consider the drama from this past week with Brock walking out on a scheduled appearance and later showing up at a UFC event. Wouldn't be a big deal except he's rumored to be rejoining that org. It isn't like Taker showing up. It's a clear message and shot fired towards Vince and co. 

So, if they don't outright take the title off of Brock and remove him from the event, change the main event and go another direction, let's just say that if it were me running the E, I would be a little paranoid at this point that my champion would sandbag the final match on the biggest show of the show. That's assuming he shows to begin with. 

So, assuming he stays as professional as needed and shows up with the title to do the business, a middle-of-show placement would be good strategic planning in case the match absolutely flops or he flakes out mid-match and says to hell with it, pin me, pay me, I'm out. 

Do you think, at this point, it would be better to close out with another advertised match?
- Cena's the top star anyway, and his fued with Rusev has much more momentum and audience participation. 
- Sting, on the other hand, has been one of, if not the THE most long-awaited arrival ever in the E and his story with H is the longest running right now. Definitely a main event in its own right. 
- Taker and Wyatt, well, there's that stupid rumor that they want to put the match high in the card so it happens after dark. It's Taker, so what the hell, would it hurt for him to main? Bray's superstrong right now, so like Sting/HHH, it's a main in its own right. 

- OR, call the same audible, get Brock/Roman out of the way early and then have Roman pull double duty against Bryan or Rollins in the final match of the night? It would guarantee a good show-closing match. WWE's not really behind Bryan, that much is obvious, so a second main-event of Roman versus Rollins would be an excellent show closer, as well as make a ton of sense. Seth's been the top heel for the last year, Roman's the next big thing and they have a ton of history. 



None of the other scheduled matches mentioned should main this Mania, but they're bigger on paper on paper than what's advertised in the main. 
Also, I feel a two minute MITB cash-in mini-match with Seth Rollins would feel cheap. Any other show, yeah, but not Mania; so how about opening the show with Rollins hijacking the mic, holding the case high and saying he wants Reigns or Lesnar at the end of the night? A straight-up almost-fair one-on-one match really wouldn't fit his chickenschittt persona, but it would present a best-case scenario for salvaging a troubled card. WWE's had a couple of shows in the past where the card changed mid-show, so while it would be a mess, it's still better than what's currently advertised.

Again, I feel that finishing the wrestling year with Roman defending against Rollins would make a million times more sense than any other match, for multiple reasons (quality, prior history, etc). Roman wins the title, Brock gets wished well in future endeavors, show goes on before closing out with Roman and Rollins. Roman wins, Vince is happy and people are satisfied with a decent main. (Rollins can always have a rematch later.)

I didn't mean for this to be a novel. It just seems to me that there are so many other, better quality, more sense-making ways to go about your biggest show of the year. 

Thanks! 
- CX


CLIFFS:
- Brock's a man on a mission, and while I can't fault him at all, I wouldn't trust him at this point to do anymore than simply show up.
- there's no hope for Roman/Brock anyway, so get it out of the way, mid-show. 
- if not one of the other huge matches being the show closer, have Roman defend against Rollins, if not Bryan. 
- Roman and Rollins makes way too much sense anyway, so while it would make sense to be the main of Mania, it makes too much sense for WWE to book it.

You know, for everyone that complains about how little they care about this year's show, I sure get a lot of e-mails about it every day.  Damn smarks, am I right, Dougie?  High five, buddy.  

Bret Hart singles push

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Scott,

Do you think the Bret Hart push should have started sooner?  They clearly always had plans of pushing him solo, even when he and Anvil were competing for the tag titles.  I feel like they should have just had Demolition retain at SummerSlam and built up to them dropping the titles to newly-arrived LOD.  Bret could have started his push right after SummerSlam '90.    Maybe do Perfect-Bret for the IC title at Mania 7 (with someone else insulting Boss Man's mama and such) AND a re-match at SummerSlam '91.  

That was absolutely the original goal.  The whole point of the phantom title switch was that they fired Neidhart for cost-cutting reasons and were 100% ready to proceed with the Bret push.  But then they changed their mind and un-fired Neidhart.  As you note, they probably shouldn't have bothered.  Building to Demos v. LOD at WM would have been pretty awesome, whether or not Eadie was involved.  

Sunday, March 1, 2015

Jake/Macho Man feud

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I just got finished watching This Tuesday in Texas for the first time since it happened and there's something I'm curious about coming out of it. With everything leading up to, and following, the Jake Roberts/Randy Savage match (the snake bite, Roberts slapping Liz and and insanely intense post match interview from Savage), how is it that all we got out of this program was two less than 10 minute jobs by the Snake on TTIT AND SNME? Savages promo after the match was psychotic. He wanted to fucking kill Roberts for smacking Elizabeth.

I don't get why there was no real blow off. I understand this feud led up to the Undertaker's face turn but with all that came out of it, the payoff seemed kind of weak.

​Yeah, in this case there is actually a story behind it.  Basically Jake was supposed to have the blowoff with Savage at Wrestlemania, but they switched Macho's match to the title match (I'm talking months before, not the TV kayfabe switch) and made promises to Jake about taking over as booker when Pat Patterson retired shortly after Wrestlemania if he'd do the job to Undertaker instead.  And then Wrestlemania came and Vince was like "Psych!  We're just not gonna hire someone after all" and Jake freaked out and threatened to jump ship to WCW because his contract was up, so then he ended up getting completely squashed by Undertaker.  And then WCW changed command structure and he lost his supposed million dollar contract with them.  Whoops.  ​So he got triple fucked and ended up signing with WCW for WAY less in August when his non-compete ended.  


​So basically, yes, the Macho-Jake feud was supposed to go longer and pay off bigger, but they felt it was more important to get the belt onto Savage and Jake was disposable.  Which, as it turns out, he was.  ​

The Brock Lesnar experiment

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Scott

I know you haven't been watching weekly (much like myself) but where do you stand on the part time Champion? Has the experiment failed, or can it be considered in any way a success?

Nothing seems to be improving the ratings but has it raised the prestige of the title? Or has it not being there harmed it?

I suppose the other main question would be if it hasn't worked, could it have been done differently and it absolutely could have worked? Will the part time 'special attraction' champ be more common moving forward?

Thanks Scott, loving your work.

(Oh and Reigns/Lesnar could be the weirdest styles clash I've ever seen. The WWE must have faith they have a **** match in them... Right?)


​I think it was an interesting and worthwhile experiment, but we really need the World champion to at least defend that sucker every 30 days.  Yes, the TV title defenses and such were deflating the importance of the belt on a weekly basis, but taking to the extremes of having Brock be gone and not even MENTIONED for months at a time is just too much and leaves the product completely directionless.  Having someone holding it and only defending on PPV is the happy medium they should have gone with, but it would have made Brock too expensive to use.  

So I'd call it a good idea in theory, put much like communism or geometry, not all theories work out in real life.  ​

Brock Swerve

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Hey Scott,

Is there any chance Brock and WWE have already come to terms on a new contract, and the "walk out" was just a work to make people even more unsure of the outcome of Mania (keeping in mind most assume Reigns is winning anyway, but you know, b/c WWE)? The fact that Brock was sitting ringside at UFC 184  may just be a happy coincidence.    

​Yeah, but nobody knew about the walkout and to date we still don't even know why he left or what happened.  All we know is some vague info about him getting into a fight over financial matters with Vince and then leaving.  Not to mention that if Vince gave a shit about what the internet thought, Daniel Bryan wouldn't be the 17th guy in a midcard Intercontinental title match at Wrestlemania.  

I think it's far more likely that Brock is playing some supreme contract hardball and either WWE or UFC is gonna pay a shitload of money because of it.  All Hail Brock.  ​

BoD Sunday Night Thread

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Talk about everything going on tonight here.

Also, check out "Brainbuster! The Pro Wrestling Quiz Show" over at Place to be Nation. You can do that by clicking on the link below and feel free to discuss it here as well.

http://placetobenation.com/brainbuster-the-pro-wrestling-quiz-show-episode-2/

Cash in at wrestlemania?

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So Scott what are the chances Reigns big moment is ruined by Rollins cashing in and winning the title? It makes sense when you think about it, Heyman recently told Rollins in no uncertain terms that when Brocks reign is over you could take his place. With Brock gone, Rollins could be the new Paul Heyman guy & Reigns could get crowd support chasing the title. Your thoughts?


I think that Brock winning at WM and the super-smarky smarks losing their shit over it would be spectacular, because Brock has the night after WM left in his contract where he could drop it to Rollins. However, the Reigns thing is a complete failure.  He shouldn't be chasing the title.  Run Rollins v Orton for a few months and let Reigns stay away and rebuild himself.  Send him to NXT as Leakee the dancing Samoan and team him with Joey the Samoan.  

Sunday Afternoon Thread

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Saturday, February 28, 2015

BoD Saturday Night Thread

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Talk about everything going on tonight here

Sid at WM

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"Scott, idea for WrestleMania - Brock defeats Reigns. Suddenly Sid RETURNS OUTTANOWHERE and comes runs to check on Reigns. Heyman challenges Sid on Brock's behalf. Reigns tells him to take it. Sid squashes Brock. Reigns goes to congratulate Sid, who POWER BOMBS him for grins. Then, billions  of dollars are made with the Master and Ruler of the World."

Down voted for suggesting that anyone could draw money based on something involving Roman Reigns.

Thunder - October 7, 1999

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Thunder
Date: October 7, 1999
Location: UTC Arena, Chattanooga, Tennessee
Attendance: 2,411
Commentators: Mike Tenay, Larry Zbyszko

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

Back to this disaster again as it's we're still getting close to Halloween Havoc and the question this week is what can Goldberg do to Sid's car now. Actually the question would be why is this the best they can come up with. Russo and Ferrara aren't in charge at this point, so this might actually be the last taped event (save for Saturday Night with its insane schedule but who cares about that show at this point?) before they took over. Let's get to it.

Michaels/Sid question

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Hey Scott, all this talk of Sid and Shawn on the blog got me thinking. We all know the stories of Michaels being difficult behind the scenes, especially when it came to dropping titles, but I don't remember ever hearing anything about him having a problem losing the belt to Sid at Survivor Series '96, which seems really out of character all things considered. Its hard to believe Shawn was totally cool with a 7-8 month title reign. Was it because he promised the belt back at the Rumble?
 
-Joey

Yeah, he was friends with Sid, and the idea was always to build up to him regaining the title in his hometown at the Rumble.  

Do they not get

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That if Brock had gone over Cena in his first match, won every match against Triple H and was undefeated going into mania, and they had Reigns making the roster his biotch post Shield break up, that their mania match would actually be something fans would want to see? Do they also not get that having Bray go over Cena last year and Taker this year for his streak (Brock vs Taker never happens) would set up a big money match for summerslam between Bray and Reigns? Do they not get having Bray go over there and building up a Bray/Reigns rematch for the next mania would draw big? Do they just not get it?

I'm guessing they...don't...get it?  Is that the right answer?

Also, Brock's buildup has been fine from Big Show to now.  Even with the Cena loss and the HHH bullshit, they've done a masterful job of rebuilding him into a beast.  The problem is wasting it on Reigns.  Because he sucks.  

Russo Quits Own Website

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https://www.facebook.com/officialvincerusso/posts/386607868178447

I feel like this is an Onion article come to life.  I assume this means his meeting with Lucha Underground that he denied ever happened went well..........  

Saturday Afternoon Thread

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Historical reigns/Bryan comp

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If the Internet existed in the 80s and early 90s what long term booking angles would have gotten the most hate?

One example I thought of was peak randy savage basically doing nothing from summerslam 89 to royal rumble 91 while earthquake warrior and the like main evented.  Another was bret toiling in the tag division when he was clearly ready for a singles push

Any great ones you can think of?

Dude, the internet totally did exist in the late 80s.  By the time I got to RSPW in 1992 it was already well established.  And people bitched just as much back then as now.  

Roman Reigns / Baron Corbin

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Hey Scott,

Do you think the fans that dislike Roman Reigns would have been more accepting of him if post-Shield he received more of a Baron Corbin characterization and/or push? You know, he comes out, doesn't say anything, does that thing where he cocks his fist for the Superman punch, knocks the guy out, wins, and walks away.

I feel like they need to bring Vince back for commentary so he can fully explain to the viewers about Roman's meaty thighs and beautiful hair, much like Big Show didn't get over until Michael Cole fully explained how big his hands are.  Or how Tamina didn't get over until they explained how she was Jimmy Snuka's daughter.  MONEY LEFT ON THE TABLE.

And for a general answer to the question, almost literally ANYTHING would be more effective than how they've booked Reigns thus far.  

Obscure Wrestler Lightning Round

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Good afternoon Mr. Keith.  When we hear "One of the Greatest matches of all time", there is a lot of usual suspects.  But i'm curious on a couple childhood favorites of mine that I wonder if I ever even seen their greatest match.  Indulge me:

None of these would be particularly “obscure”, I’d say. 

Greg Valentine

Most of his really great stuff came pre-WWF.  The dog collar match with Roddy Piper at Starrcade 83 would probably be the concensus pick, although he had some tremendous tag matches with Beefcake against the British Bulldogs.  There’s a really great one on an early SNME. 

Tito Santana

The IC title match with Mr. Perfect on SNME is likely his best major televised match.  The cage match where he regained the IC title from Valentine in 85 is also a hell of a deal. 

Rick Martel

He had some really good ones as AWA champion, but nothing I can remember vividly off-hand. 

Bam Bam Bigelow

He had some awesome ones in Japan.  A tag match with Vader against the Steiners comes to mind. 

Big Bossman

Probably the Hogan cage match. 

Demolition

I don’t think they ever had a definitive great one.  Against the Harts at Summerslam 90 or against the Rockers on SNME were probably their best. 

Jake Roberts

Most of his great ones were in Mid-South, well before he made it to the WWF.  Can’t think of a great definitive one off-hand.  Best from his WWF run would have to be the Randy Savage match at Tuesday In Texas, but even that was really short. 

Rick Rude

The Masa Chono NWA World title final is actually shockingly great. 

Sid Vicious

Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 96, and it’s not even close. 

Andre The Giant

Probably something from Japan, although I’m blanking on specifics. 

Wrestling/Horror short story at The Wicked Library

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Hey Scott,

My short story from 2013, 'The Shoot', has been adapted by The Wicked Library for their podcast. It's a tale of horror and pro-wrestling, and I was wondering if you could give a quick plug?

http://www.hipcast.com/podcast/HCGZWC9X

Thanks,

Kevin