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Breaking the Streak question/conspriacy theory.

Firstly, this video is gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heajzl0f2do

Secondly, reliving the event some 6+ months later through the eyes of other fans, my question is why Brock ? Why give that moniker of being the guy to break the streak to Brock Lesner?  Hindsight is always 20/20, but my god you have had to know Brock's heart wasn't in wrestling, you had to know he was just around to pick up a fat paycheck and not ever be on tv. They essentially flushed 20+ years of story telling down the tubes on a guy who isn't going to make them money from breaking the streak ? If you wanna smash over Roman Reigns by having him be the one break the streak fine, but Brock ? I agree with Hitler in the video, it makes absolutely no sense....

Here's my conspiracy theory, it wasn't so much they wanted Brock to break the streak they just wanted to bury and take the momentum off Bryan. The day after Wrestlemania 30, instead of everyone talking about how Daniel Bryan made it to the level of legendary wrestling superstar it was overshadowed by everyone talking the streak ending, thus making D Bry moment take a backseat. They did everything they could including blowing their load on 21 years of Wrestlemania matches just so they could stop a Superstar from breaking through that glass ceiling because its not who they handpicked to carry the ball.

Now normally, I'd think that was crazy.  But after the Punk podcast and opening up that can of worms I have a clearer idea about how WWE does business. And it would absolutely not surprise me at all that they would cut off their nose to spite their face like that.

Please Mr. Keith, tell me I'm delusional and clearly not thinking straight. Tell me they thought Brock going over the streak was good for buinsess and it wasn't just a chess move to keep the guy outta the spot that they didn't want there.

​Let's turn down the crazy knob a little bit.  It's been pretty much established at this point that:

a)  Undertaker didn't want the streak to end, but Vince made the call because he felt like Taker wasn't going to be able to continue the next year and wanted to put someone over.

b)  Brock was the guy who was there that year, and the only guy on the roster who Vince believed to be "worthy" of ending the streak, so he got the win.


Comments

  1. I think Scott nailed it. Looking at UT at WM30, did anyone have any confidence he would work at WM31? He may, but I certainly wouldn't have bet on it. Vince wanted someone to end the streak. If you have no confidence that he can work the next year, then you go with who's scheduled. In a perfect world you had 3 months notice to pick the right guy. I've said this a million times. UT NEEDED to put someone over and lose that streak. No one in the history of this business owes more to their booking and to other wrestlers for getting them over than UT. No one. He owed it to all those who cowered in fear, let him take 85% of the match, always jobbed, etc. Yeah it's a shame it was Lesnar and not Reigns, or Punk the year before, or Edge or Batista or Orton in the past. But it happened and it was still the best solution.

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  2. Wait a minute...the Undertaker's WM streak ended?!

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  3. Let's assume that Taker's health was horrible for WM29, would Punk have beaten Taker? if so, would Punk be happy about having that instead a wrestlemania main event?

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  4. Raw the next night started with Daniel Bryan in the ring celebrating his victory. I love the "You deserve it!" chant from the crowd. Really powerful stuff. I like to watch it from time to time. It's a spine tingling moment.


    I also love the moment when Cena chooses Bryan as his opponent for Summer Slam. Probably the best acting anyone has done in a WWE ring in the last ten years. Amazing stuff.

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  5. Nope, the best acting done in a WWE ring in the last ten years is Mark Henry's retirement speech.

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  6. Wrong again. It's Brie Bella in every segment she's ever participated in.

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  7. A typically stupid email.

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  8. Based on what I've read, the first part of A is not true. Vince would not have made the call unless Taker was okay with it

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  9. That was a great segment His suit really sold it. Extremely well done.

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  10. Disagree and raise you Curtis Axel/Michael McGillicutty's promos.

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  11. What I read was that 'Taker didn't want the Streak to end, but Vince talked him into it.

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  12. What have you read?

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  13. The Observer. I could be wrong, but given the respect they have for Taker, I don't think it's something they would've really forced

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  14. I don't believe any conspiracy theory on ending the streak. I just doubt they put much thought into it.

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  15. I do know that Brock got lucky as the man happening to face Taker

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  16. I don't think it was just a case of timing. If it wasn't Lesnar in there with 'Taker, I doubt they'd break the Streak, even if it was 'Taker's last match.

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  17. I'm just happy it wasn't that BIG, BEEFY ROMAN REIGNS!!! He's unproven. Sure I'd have preferred it be Kofi Kingston because anything to end that damn TEH STREAK!!!! gimmick, but hey.

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  18. You are aware that it's Punk you are talking about right?

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  19. Needs more HHH.

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  20. No! the best acting done was Brock Lesnar at Summerslam last year! http://www.rspwfaq.net/2014/08/meekinonmovies-onis-brock-lesnar-new.html

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  21. I always thought the intrigue was watching the match and guys selling it like UT was about to lose and then he pulls out the win. I'm only speaking for me but I like that deal more than seeing him lose. It's been the most dramatic match (I SAID DRAMATIC NOT BEST) in the last few years. Other than the Punk match, of course.

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  22. Whoever this emailer is, I hate you for still whining about this Daniel Bryan shit.

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  23. Was it really dramatic? It was more the biggest shocker in the last few years (or more). Everyone was assuming Taker would catch him with a tombstone or that choke so it kind of felt like a ho-hum match.

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  24. But Dave Meltzer was sent here by the Devil to confuse us!

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  25. I feel what you are saying but that was the best part. We were all geared up for the UT kickout at two and it never happened. We all sat there waiting for the ref to restart the match or whatever and it never came. The ending was anti-climatic but most of us waiting 10 minutes to process it all. That's where the drama came from

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  26. UK FANS:


    CHIKARA are coming to the UK in April! And also America.


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    Me, my girl and anyone else I can drag along, will be going to at LEAST one of the two Wolverhampton dates, and you better believe I'll be getting the Gold tickets for at least one of those.


    Am more excited about this than going to see WWE, and about a hundred times more excited than to see TNA.


    Major props to them for playing a venue in the MIDDLE of the country and not just doing the "American Tour! New York AND Los Angeles!" crap that often happens. They will be rewarded by my massive fists. Containing money. To give. To them.

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  27. Ah, I see what you're saying. Maybe one of the most dramatic finishes ever, then.

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  28. I'd go with that. I don't remember the last time I had to get it together after the ending of a match. Maybe Slaughter beating Warrior at the Rumble.

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  29. Shawn Michaels confirmed on Jim Ross' podcast that the decision to end the streak was made by Vince literally minutes before the show started, so nobody, including Vince himself, had any idea what was going to happen even the day before WM. That's how terrible the booking has become.

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  30. or he saw UT in the locker room and went "seriously?"

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  31. Royal Rumble 1990, Hogan decided hours before the event that actually he was going to go over, not Perfect.


    So really, it's not so different. Only the person most distanced from reality, has changed.

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  32. Who cares about the Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak?


    Sid's Wrestlemania dump is a way better story, even if it is only a rumour.

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  33. 8 months later and people still say Bryan got buried.

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  34. You are aware that Daniel Bryan got hurt and that's why he's "buried" right?

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  35. It's kind of a zero-sum proposition: putting Taker over Brock at that point probably kills off Lesnar as a believable monster. Who would buy Taker, in that condition, beating a guy like Brock in a pedestrian match like that? So you are left with Lesnar's appeal diminished and Undertaker gone.

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  36. Yeah, it's stupid. They pretty much gave him the greatest WM main event opportunity ever, beating three top guys in two matches, playing up the underdog in both matches, getting stretchered out and coming back to win the title while surrounded by a stadium full of adoring fans chanting his name and catchphrase.

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  37. I call BS, my friend. 100% BS. When Bryan's physical trainer claimed she slept with Bryan and Brie came out to confront her...just the depth of emotions, the nuanced mixture of anger and confusion. I cried that night. She was that good.

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  38. It's a good point. Taker wins and what do you have? Takers going home for a year, Brock is dead. With Brock going over, you had the chance of a massive year with people challenging Brock until someone finally dethrones him. They've blown it, they've wasted it, but they at least had the chance of a big year.

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  39. I see you there Mike Rosenberg

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  40. I haven't heard of that one, but even if that were true, a Royal Rumble win, as prestigious as it is, is hardly the same as ending The Streak.

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  41. He basically went over all of Evolution. He pinned Triple H CLEAN at WrestleMania, then beat Triple H's boys in the WM main event. They basically changed their entire script for Bryan but he still got buried. Whatever.

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  42. It wasnt at mania. It was a house show that happened at

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  43. And Hogan vetoing shit until he got over is different than literally having no idea what you're going to do right before the biggest show of the year.

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  44. Just want to add my two cents CDN, I saw them in Toronto, and had a killer time. Some of the lasting memories were Mantis letting me try about a dozen times to get my cell phone camera to take a picture of us together, Generico liking my Star Wars T-shirt and us having a full conversation including Zayne speaking in spanglish the whole time, and the wrestlers taking the time to shake fans hands on the way out of the building.

    The product isn't for everyone, but you could tell that the whole group cared and wanted fans to enjoy themselves.

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  45. That feud with Kane was pretty shitty.

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  46. Vince talked Taker into it was the interpretation I was going with. I'm not saying Vince pulled a veto on him or anything, but ultimately it was his call.

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  47. He didn't go over all of Evolution...Flair's still out there, daddy! Woo!

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  48. The email seems to suggest that Brock refuses to appear more. That's not true. Brock will absolutely appear more, VKM just has to pay up, and so far he won't. That's on Vince and his under performing network. If they really truly wanted to invest in Roman Reigns as THE GUY they'd pony up some cash for Lesnar to wrestle/murder some more geeks, making people beg for someone to finally step up to the plate to beat him. Although to be honest, I really don't think Brock should be appearing that much more than he is. WWE should also be utilizing Heyman more as well. He should be on TV almost every week reminding us of Lesanar's sheer viking awesomeness.

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  49. If Taker costs Lesnar the belt at the Rumble and gets his win back at Mania, then it'll REALLY be stupid. As of now, it's still debatable. Even if Taker won and took a year off, The Streak would have always been an ace in the hole to draw interest for a Mania match. But then again, Lesnar winning the belt from Cena wouldn't have seemed like a big deal if he had jobbed to Taker. Lesnar's non-run with the title soured people's opinion on him ending The Streak.

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  50. It was a B-level ppv. And it's not like Bryan was the only person ever to have a shitty feud with the guy.

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  51. Sure, but that's WWE's shortsightedness in not having a ready-made challenger for Daniel after he became champ. He couldn't face The Authority again as he already beat them all.

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  52. Taker likes them MMA guys. I don't think he had to be coerced too hard.

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  53. Oh man, if Taker comes back to steal Lesnar's heat like that, I'd be PISSED as a fan.

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  54. It was Vince's call but given his loyalty to Taker, I don't think he'd be pushing for him to do something he didn't want to do.

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  55. troubled by two points here. First is, are we really assuming Shawm Michaels is always telling the truth? jeebus or not, come one folks.


    Second, ending the streak was not something to take lightly. Even if Vince knew he wanted to end it someway, he probably wanted to get a Cena/UT match out of it or at the very least put over a up and comer that needed the rub. And who's to say UT was up front with Vince about how bad he looked. The guy looked like an overripe tomato with bad hair. It was pathetic. Maybe Vince wavered but then decided ultimately that he couldn't give up the chance to end the streak if UT wasn't going to be able to work WM31.


    I just don't think it's fair to act like Vince just ignored what he was going to do and then said "oh yeah, Taker is against Lesnar. What should we do Kevin, HHH, Steph?" I'm sure he gave it plenty of thought and there is no shame sometimes in taking all the time you have to make the best decision.

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  56. Hey, I have an off topic question for you guys. Have any of you called into the Observer call-in show? I can't listen to that show, and similarly any sports radio shows, and not think about Patton Oswalt maniacally writing down notes in Big Fan.

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  57. This is more about the lack of long term direction.

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  58. I always thought it didn't really matter who broke the streak, as long as someone did. The Streak was and is Undertaker's accomplishment. It doesn't really 'transfer' to someone. Sure, someone could possibly leverage *something* out of it maybe but I don't see it going on an established guy who's never really around much as a 'waste' as there's nothing much to waste at this point. The streak did it's job. From Orton on, they managed to make every streak match into a huge deal, drew a lot of interest and more often than not got a terrific match out of it. It was pretty much another title match on the Wrestlemania card and sometimes even meaning more than the title match(es). The only 'waste' would have been, and you can only say this in hindsight, someone like Flair winning his match and the streak never becoming "THE STREAK".

    Having some younger, up and comer beat it, I don't think it would have had this miracle, 'straight to the top', strap a rocket on that kid's ass property that I think some believe it would have. To capitilise on it, that person would still need to be booked strong and to have been part of compelling storylines that people cared about and be made to look like a big deal consistently. But if they could do that, then they'd not have needed the streak anyway!

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  59. Wasn't the whole deal that Undertaker wanted to job to Brock at some point anyway?

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  60. I did a long time ago when I was in high school. I'm sure it was awkward and embarrassing for all involved ummm ya' know.

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  61. I have a hard time believing that.

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  62. One night of strong booking doesn't excuse the other 364 days of poor booking.

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  63. I have my own conspiracy theory. Half of these idiotic e-mails that Scott posts are specifically designed to rile me up. :)

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  64. Except it wasn't poor booking. Daniel jobbed clean ONE TIME during that previous year. At the Rumble to Wyatt. That's all. Every other loss, he was screwed/protected.

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  65. Strangly, there are now many younger guys on the roster, who have a long career ahead of them, who would benefit much better from breaking the streak than Lesnar (Wyatt, Rusev, Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins.) Anyone one of those choices would better than Lesnar long term wise. I personally would have had Wyatt end the streak, if the streak was going to end. What a terrible call Vince made.

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  66. Hell, I still think they should have done Cena vs. Taker at WM30.

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  67. Cena turning heel to win the match would've been a great piece of business and set the company up with interesting storylines that we would still be enjoying. This would've cause a shift in direction however that WWE is clearly not intent on making.

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  68. 6 year olds are still buying Cena's shirts. Thats why something like that isnt happening.

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  69. Stop coming here then.

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  70. wow. Lighten up. lol

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  71. six year olds should be slapped

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  72. He was perhaps the most protected guy in the company during that time.

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  73. seems like good advice. If others can be advised to not watch what upsets them, then you can be advised to not come here if you get riled up by some of the stuff.

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  74. And then bought Cena t-shirts.

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  75. operant conditioning?

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  76. I was thinking more like simple reparations, but that works too.

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  77. You can say "Cena should've turned heel" all you want. You could fantasy book logical points where Cena could've turned here from 2006 to today.

    It's not happening when he makes the amount of money he does doing his thing.

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  78. You have 3,000 comments more than me, I've been here for several years and have been a Scott Keith fan since the late 90's. I'm not sure what your deal is.

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  79. Its because people remember how terrible everything from Summerslam 13 to Wrestlemania XXX was. It was God awful. Compare that time period to the equivalent period of SummerSlam 1998 to Wrestlemania XV for the Austin vs Corporation feud, and its night and day. Bryan spents then end of about 70% of the raws on his back with the Corporation Celebrating. In comparison, Austin found a new creative way to make Vince's life hell on nearly every raw. Yes Bryan was put over majorly at WM XXX. But that doesnt make up for 8 months of terrible TV and PPVs where it was nothing but an authority circle jerk.

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  80. Hell, Cena took more clean pins.

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  81. Are you saying he hasn't earned his spot yet? Shall I remove his icepack privileges?

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  82. His booking with Kane and Stephanie after Mania was also just ridiculous.

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  83. The end of RAW Bryan beatdowns got old fast, but they always seemed to be multi-man efforts rather than Orton or someone just slapping him around. It was repetitive, but he was protected throughout.

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  84. I agree that Bryan got his butt handed to him a LOT in those months. And it seemed like there were times when he was getting buried. But in the end, he won the angle.

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  85. No I'm just confused why he posts so much if he generally doesn't agree with what gets posted or most posters opinions. Maybe he is a masochist.

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  86. It's not just about wins and jobs, it's how bookers perceive a guy and what position on the card they are.

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  87. Yep, even if it wasn't the original plan, what we saw on TV was Bryan getting screwed out of winning the title on several PPVs, moving to a feud with Bray where he took his only clean one-on-one loss in months, and then moving back to the title picture and beating Trips, Orton and Batista in one night. And that too with an injury going in.

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  88. Yep, and Bryan was the main focus of the show for most of that time, being really protected while being screwed out of the title.

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  89. Reigns is the most logical choice. If the Streak had to end, why not give it to a young guy they're betting the house on rather than a guy who's already pretty beat up?

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  90. Everything I've heard is that the decision was made all the way back in January when Taker started training for the match. He and Vince had a talk, Taker admitted he wasn't going to have many matches left in him, and Vince made the call to have Lesnar win. Taker wasn't happy, but he was okay with it being Brock because he'd pitched letting Brock end the Streak years earlier. And while most of the lockerroom didn't know, way more people behind the scenes did know than was initially rumored. Part of the reason it came off so shocking in the ring was because Undertaker got the concussion, making it look so one-sided. Had the match gone as planned the crowd would been more worked up and into it, and when the pinfall came it'd have been more "wow--he did it!" and less "WTF was that?!"

    Probably wrong, but that's narrative I've seen afterwards, and Shawn's version never seemed to jibe with that. Didn't he say that soon after the show too, before more started coming out?

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  91. Read Scott's reviews from the late 90's. He was the ultimate contrarian. He gave the Undertaker/Mankind HITC match *

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  92. In fairness, most of the emails are pretty dumb.

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  93. The worst part of the Wyatt feud, was that Bryan gave up. He joined the Wyatt family because he said he couldnt beat him. Did Austin ever give up and join the Corporation or the Ministry? No he always fought no matter what. This made Bryan look like a giant pussy. True they basically retconned the angle a few weeks later, but I think thats because the angle flopped. I think their original plan was for Bryan to be a part of the Wyatt family for months, before turning back, which was fucking stupid, and not what the audience wanted.

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  94. Whatever the original plan was, what we saw on TV was Bryan giving up and joining the Family, showing dissension pretty much from the beginning IIRC, and then turning on Wyatt in a super-memorable moment. Worked out well.

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  95. According to Wikipedia, Wyatt is only 27 years old, so he can easily have another decade in him. Also I see him as the best choice, because it seems like his character would have the best feud with taker. Next years WM would seem like the perfect time for Wyatt to go over taker. His character is to that point, and he seems ready. Unfortunately, Vince's stupid decisions makes that no longer an option.

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  96. Yes, we strapped a rocket to Daniel Bryan's ass because we knew it would please our fans, but we're going to make sure that rocket runs out of fuel as soon as possible because fuck him. That makes perfect sense.


    As far as I know, it isn't that Vince/HHH didn't like Bryan or wanted him to fail, they just didn't trust in him to be "the guy." They assumed the "Yes!" this was a passing fad, and when it was clear that fans far preferred Bryan to Boo-tista, they realized they were wrong.



    Anyway, logically wouldn't you want a WrestleMania where all the matches are talked about the next day? WWE should strive for more of that. Too many of their PPVs -- let alone Manias -- are one-match shows.

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  97. Yeah, I've always gotten the impression that they liked Bryan but didn't take him all that seriously.

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  98. He's backpedaled on that. His biggest goof was HBK - Triple H at Summerslam.

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  99. "These guys lose a star for their match being too good!"

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  100. "Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass" "Watcha gonna do brother?" "The Rock says know your role and shut your mouth" "You can't see me." Vince is right. Catchphrases never have long lives and are always passing fads.

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  101. I guess I will clarify that I wasn't really riled up and I meant it as a joke. I guess that one was a miss!

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  102. I 100% agree; and with Sting signed, the hindsight of "Streak VS Icon" is intriguing. But Taker-Sting is a Wrestlemania match that wouldn't need the streak as a draw.

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  103. I'm reading this email again, and finding it incredible. He seems to be implying that WWE should have made WM 30 purposely horrible, so the ONLY bright spot would be the Daniel Bryan wins. Any other memorable/awesome moments will directly lead to Daniel being buried, for not having 100% of the attention on him.

    This is Jesse Baker territory!

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  104. "No way is he going over with *that* haircut!"

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  105. Cena/Taker at some WM, and Hogan/Flair at WM 8. (on a much smaller scale during a low period, Bret vs Luger at WM 10). 3 potential "Dream matches" where the WWF/WWE left money on the table.

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  106. Aye, The Undertaker match has basically stolen the show on every Mania for years, but it's never been done deliberately to fuck with the headliner.

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  107. Even something stupid as What still lives on to this day.

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  108. I'd always been under the impression that prior to WrestleMania 25, Undertaker was often pitching the idea to put over some young guy via ending The Streak, and Vince was always "no, let's keep this money train rolling." Then once he & Shawn stole the show at 25, the idea was to continue the match being a yearly showstopper against a big name (which Hunter of course had to get in on). When they picked Punk for 29 the reason they let him get so much heat in the buildup was because there wasn't any serious consideration of letting him win. I thought the rumors after that were that Undertaker was again thinking if putting a young guy over--I remember Daniel Bryan's name being mentioned a lot--but that Vince picked Lesnar for marquee value; and after Taker grudgingly admitted his tank was running dry Vince made the call to end The Streak.

    I can't really pinpoint where I'd heard/read all that over the last year (I gots old man memory these days), and maybe I was reading too much between the lines, connecting the wrong dots, but that's the narrative I'd seen emerging. I'd defer to your knowledge--I've been out of the loop for years.

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  109. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    I have a conspiracy theory for you:


    Wrestling fans are obsessed with Daniel Bryan and CM Punk.

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  110. Related question: which fan reaction is more iconic from Savage/Warrior? Crying balloon hat dude or crying pigface woman?

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  111. Aye, I never got the impression that the streak was something that Taker himself was aggressively protecting.

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  112. Yep, and despite both of them being easily in the top 5 most pushed guys in the past 10 years, it's still nowhere near good enough!!

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  113. I think we've basically just run out of new things to talk about. Roll on January, with new TNA and the Road to Wrestlemania!

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  114. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Crying balloon hat because.....that is what non-fans think the wrestling fan looks like so WWE uses that footage ad nauseum.

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  115. I was just getting back into the TV product right then, but even to me it looked like they were gonna drag that angle out til a blowoff match at WrestleMania. But between the crowds shitting on Batista coming back, shitting on Bryan being part of the Wyatts, and the backstage turmoil (including Punk leaving), a lot of changes were made, and the company grudgingly put Bryan in the position they did. Their clear lack of anything for him to do afterwards seems evidence of that.

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  116. *Fast Lane to Wrestlemania

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  117. He just does it to rile others up. How ironic that the Riler has become the rile-ey... or something.

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  118. THIS.


    About the "Did Austin ever give up?" thing, it would be like us saying that Austin sold out 8 days after Wrestlemania 14, by wearing a suit and playing along for 5 minutes. like COME ON.

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  119. [/ChandlerBing} theMESS-ER... has become the MESS-EE!!!

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  120. What about all the merchandise Cena sells and it's kid audience that watches because of Cena. Or all the PR they get from Cena?

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  121. I'm not disputing that it wasn't the original plan.

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  122. Yea, he overrated it.

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  123. You don't get riled up. Your whole thing is to make up arguments that often don't exist.

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  124. I would have loved the Cena/Taker match, but never understood this need for Cena to turn heel during it. No idea why that part is always attached to the potential match.

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  125. Oh they exist. just because you don't agree with them, they sure do exist!

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  126. After years and years of puzzle and bemusement it was only when watching WWE's recent 'Top 5 fan reactions' that I actually realised crying rubber hat dude was dressed as Randy Savage!

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  127. No they don't. You generalize and lump people in so you can play the contrarian card when it's not necessary. You try way too hard.

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  128. I will never be able to get crying pig face woman out of my mind forever. Her acne is legendary.

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  129. Can't we all just accept that as an amazing moment?


    Also... anyone hear of anyone winning money on that match?

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  130. When Brock got Taker positioned for the third F5, I said out loud, "Wow, they're really trying to make the F5 look like shit," and dully waited for the kick out. When the ref hit three I thought I was hallucinating and the aftermath made it seem me think some shenanigans were in order. It wasn't until the 21-1 graphic that I realized this was really happening.

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  131. as to your first question. NO!!! WE CANNOT ACCEPT IT!! (well ok, I do)

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  132. Stranger in the AlpsDecember 7, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Strangely, no one has been built up enough to even be thought a threat to the streak. Who has UT worked with the last several years?


    Brock Lesnar
    CM Punk
    Triple H
    Triple H
    Shawn Michaels
    Shawn Michaels


    I see no room for Dolph Ziggler or Kofi Kingston in there.

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  133. Lesnar's contract ends the day after Mania 31. Vince wanted Lesnar to beat Taker in order to make Lesnar an unbeatable monster. Then he can feed the unbeatable monster to the next big thing, i.e. Roman Reigns, at Mania 31.


    Vince just has too much respect for Taker to ask him to job to Roman Reigns directly.

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  134. God forbid Taker ever put anyone over after burying the roster for two decades.

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  135. Taker put over Austin, Foley, The Rock, and Edge, and that's just off the top of my head.

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  136. It was only a shocking moment for me because I couldn't believe they wasted the streak on Brock.

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  137. No, they fully intended Bryan to stay with the Wyatt family for months. That was supposed to be him giving up. The only reason they changed the plans a couple of weeks later, is because the audience pissed all over it. Yes, it turned into a memorable moment, but this plan should have never happened. This is not comparable to Austin wearing a suit. That was obviously just Austin putting one over Vince. That was not the plan for Bryan, the audience forced WWE hands.

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  138. A comparison might be if Austin had joined the Nation of Domination briefly after Royal Rumble 98. That would not have been good booking.

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  139. He'd be the only white Skinhead black supremacist in the world. That would be awesome actually!

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  140. They should have had Bray Wyatt go over Cena at Wrestlemania, then there's your opponent for Bryan.

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  141. Vince has too much respect to ask him to put someone over? WTF?

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  142. Yup. Plus they had history and bray had a win over DB at the Rumble.

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  143. I mean someone who is a relative rookie like Reigns.

    I don't know man, I'm just guessing.

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  144. That's ridiculous.

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  145. Until he spelled Lesnar correctly, I thought it WAS Baker.

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  146. The whole reason the Streak is done is because of the Network. Vince wanted a hook for folks to subscribe and this was it...

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  147. He didn't call him a lazy fuck

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  148. No, it's one delusional fan who cannot accept it, but once again, you're lumping everyone in.

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  149. Keep in mind, dear e-mailer, that the streak meant wayyyyyyyy more to smarks than it did to Taker. Taker was ready to end it with Kane years ago and Vince was on board. Kane was the one who said no.

    If they could have gotten Lesnar to do WM back when Taker accosted him after a UFC fight, they would have ended the streak there.

    It ended at 30 because that was what Taker and Vince wanted to do. There's nothing more to it than that.

    This "Taker wanted to keep going, but Vince overruled him" thing is insane, makes no sense and goes against literally everything we know to be true about Vince and Taker and their relationship.

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  150. I really wish Scott would stop publishing this emails from whackjobs and giving them any credence.

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  151. He also got Orton halfway there (Foley finished the job) and revitalized Batista.

    Taker's only "burial" period was the Booger Red era, which coincided with his shittiest ringwork, but was (I'm guessing) Taker deciding it was time to win some more world titles and build a little legacy for himself seeing as, for a guy who was a top guy for pretty much his entire career, he didn't really spend a lot of time ON top.

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  152. He worked with Taker after he worked with Foley.

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  153. Taker out over Maven.

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  154. I still maintain Cena should've been the guy to end the streak and it should've been the main event for WM 30. Cena could've been in a better position to give whoever the rub this coming year.

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  155. God, yes. Give the streak to Cena in front of a massive smark crowd. It would have been FANTASTIC.

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  156. Does Cena get shot? Serious question

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  157. Jimmy Del Ray's waking up every day streak ended today. Heaven must have needed a body.

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  158. Dude people just chant that Cena sucks shit because hes always the same character and everything revolves around him. He still putson good matches and can give a huge rub if used correctly.

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  159. Hogan didn't at Bash 96. Cena will be ok.

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  160. Not true. He put over Mankind huge. Hell he put over Mabel huge at the time.

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  161. When did he want Kane to end it? I've never heard that part

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  162. Yeah, I don't think it's necessary either.

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  163. Do you mean if Taker had won at 30 and was defending the Streak at 31?

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  164. If we had a time-machine, Wrestlemania 27 probably would have been the time. But even after WM 29, I still thought Cena-Taker was the way to go at 30.

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  165. I don't begrudge Scott for posting these random emails. He needs to generate hits.

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  166. He put Khali over pretty huge as well.

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  167. I would love to know what that kid grew up to be.

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  168. Boooooooo- they were a classic underappreciated tag team. Good workers with fantastic double-teams, but both were stuck with Jobberlicious physiques and had no chance in the mainstream.

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  169. Nah, there's been more than one. I'm not going to spend valuable hours scouring old threads for it, but while the conspiracy theory thing is definitely pretty weird, there were a number of "Why Brock?!" People here and might still be.

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  170. Clickbait, basically. Plus it gets a ton of people talking, so it kinda works to at least start conversation.

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  171. Remember people theorized Ted Dibiase Jr. was going to break the streak?

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  172. The three you mentioned are intrinsically associated with the performer whereas their booking of Show to hijack the "Yes" chant makes It seem that they thought people just loved shouting "Yes" vs being attached to Bryan.

    They were probably gunshy after Fandangoing flared up and then died such a quick death (their own fault there), then realized their mistake and pivoted.

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  173. He did. At the Rumble. It's on the Network.

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  174. He didn't put him over.

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  175. That doesn't change the fact that giving him the streak in front of a smarky crowd is a terrible idea AND he doesn't need it. You really think beating the guy who never loses clean is enough of a rub? He also needs to be the guy who ended the streak?

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  176. Getting eliminated on a fluke and then Undertaker murdering him for 10 minutes is not putting someone over.

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  177. I read that in (I believe) the Observer a few years ago.

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  178. I got those twisted, my bad.

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  179. You wouldn't need to turn him. No one would be on his side anyway.

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  180. Yes not for Cena but for the guy who beats Cena. If you're going to end the streak Cena is the best choice because he's the current face of the company.

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  181. Explain to me then how Undertaker "put him over." Losing to someone is not the same as putting them over.

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