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Over The Limit 2012


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Over The Limit 2012
Date: May 20, 2012
Location: PNC Arena, Raleigh, North Carolina
Commentators: Michael Cole, Booker T, Jerry Lawler

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

Well we have to get this one over with I guess. This is the least interesting and probably least built up show I can remember in years. As of 5:05 PM on the day of the show, we have five matches scheduled for the show, not counting the pre-show match. There are bound to be some matches added, which have to help this show. This is one of the PPVs I’m going into with zero expectations which usually helps a show a lot. That being said, I’m not sure if it works if you plan that way in advance. Let’s get to it.


Apparently there’s been a battle royal added to the show and the winner gets to pick the IC or US Title to challenge for tonight. That’ll help a lot.

Pre-Show: Kane vs. Zack Ryder

Ryder is taken into the corner but shoves Kane away and shouts that he’s not afraid. WHY DID HE NEVER FREAKING DO THAT WHEN HE WAS US CHAMPION THEN??? Ryder gets him to chase him and hits a kind of baseball slide. I really like the set as it looks like a speedometer much like the videos have looked. A suicide dive puts Kane down as he keeps looking for a countout.

Back in and Ryder pounds away but it’s short lived as Kane knocks him down and starts using the power. Clothesline gets two. Off to a bearhug which doesn’t last long. Seated dropkick gets two and it’s off to a body vice. Ryder fights out of it with elbows and hits a quick neckbreaker for two. He snaps Kane’s throat on the top rope but as he goes up, Kane hits an uppercut. Kane charges into the corner knees but the Rough Ryder is countered and a side slam gets two. Ryder comes back again and hits the Broski Boot for one. He loads up the Rough Ryder but charges into the chokeslam for the pin at 6:47.

Rating: C+. No complaints here but again, WHERE WAS THIS RYDER IN JANUARY??? That’s my big issue with Ryder’s destruction by Kane back then: he didn’t even fight. They spent a month and a half building him as this newly confident guy and then he turned into a coward that would rather change a tire than USE THE WRENCH HE WAS HOLDING to fight Kane. Ryder went straight at Kane here and lost, which would have annoyed me back then but I could have lived with it. The match was fine.

Battle Royal

The battle royal is on the pre-show too? Dang I was about to turn it off too. We have Miz, Khali, JTG, Ezekiel Jackson, Tyler Reks, Curt Hawkins, Michael McGillicutty, Yoshi Tatsu, Tyson Kidd, Jimmy Uso, Jey Uso, Jinder Mahal, Drew McIntyre, Heath Slater, Titus O’Neil, Darren Young, Alex Riley, David Otunga, William Regal (BIG chant), and Christian.

This is going to be on the PPV which is good. The winner can pick the US Title or IC Title to challenge for later tonight. There are 20 men in all. This is a cool idea to start the show with. No opening video either. They start with the usual punching and kicking until Khali throws Slater out. There goes McGillicutty by the same man. The Usos hit a double superkick to put JTG out, making me love them even more.

Drew suplexes Yoshi out and he lands BAD on his ankle. If he’s not hurt it’ll be a miracle. Reks and Hawkins put Jackson out just before Darren Young puts an Uso out. Someone puts McIntyre out. I’m sorry for all of the “so and so is out” but there’s not much else you can say until a lot of the guys are gone. Khali puts out Hawkins and Reks and does the same to Mahal. I think there are ten left.

Regal tries to put Kidd out but gets caught in a chokeout. Miz, Young and O’Neil team up to put Khali out. That more or less leaves Miz, Christian and maybe Otunga as the only likely winners. Jackson misses a charge and the remaining Uso kicks him out. Young and let’s say Jey go to the apron and Young knocks him out. Ok we have Miz, Young, Kidd, Regal (out as I type his name, drawing HUGE boos), Christian, Kidd and Otunga. Riley dropkicks Young out to get it to five.

Riley hits a spinebuster on Miz but gets sent to the apron. He goes up top but Miz guillotines him to get it to four. It’s Christian, Miz, Kidd and Otunga. Otunga sends Christian’s shoulder into the post as Kidd kicks Miz. I think Christian is a face here. Kidd gets sent to the apron but hits a springboard missile dropkick to knock Miz and Otunga down. Kidd goes to the apron and tries to headscissor Kidd out, but Otunga dumps Tyson.

Otunga and Miz team up against Christian for a double beating but the corner clothesline misses. Christian dumps Otunga and has to hang on from a sneak attack by Miz. The Finale is countered and Christian is thrown to the apron. Miz chokes him on the apron with a boot but Christian kicks him away. From the apron, Christian throws Miz to the apron as well and a shoulder to the ribs gives the Canadian the win at 12:36.

Rating: C. This was a better battle royal than I’m used to. Christian returning and winning was a nice surprise as he seems to have turned face again. I like him better in that role so seeing him getting a push as a good guy should be a nice change of pace. Fun match here which was a nice surprise.

Christian picks Santino in a surprising move.

Now we get the opening video, which is about change and people power.

Vickie suggests she’ll be the new GM if Ace loses.

Tag Titles: Jack Swagger/Dolph Ziggler vs. R-Truth/Kofi Kingston

Kofi and Swagger get us going. Jack takes it to the mat but opts for a standing top wristlock instead. Not much happens so it’s off to Truth for a double hiptoss. Spinning legdrop gets two. Ziggler comes in but Kofi gets a blind tag and a springboard missile dropkick for two. Swagger gets in a shot from the apron and a tag to take over. He works on the arm some more and it’s off to Truth who speeds things up.

Vickie distracts the referee which results in Dolph getting his head kicked off. Swagger puts Truth down and hits the Vader Bomb for two. Ziggler comes back in with a Crossface of all things as King is talking about Vickie’s navel. Cole: “If you two were as good at commentating as you were at looking at Vickie you’d be in the Hall of Fame.” King: “I already am.” That was funny for some reason.

Swagger takes Truth down but Truth comes back with a flurry of punches. They don’t get him anywhere as Ziggler comes in for a double team, getting two. Dolph does the handstands on the chinlock which is impressive. Back to Jack who takes Truth into the corner but gets caught by a tornado DDT to put both guys down. Double tag brings in Kofi and Dolph and an SOS gets two. Springboard cross body gets two as Jack makes the save. As Kofi is coming back in he gets caught by a Fameasser for two. Truth dives onto Swagger and Dolph jumps with a Stinger Splash, right into Trouble in Paradise to retain at 12:28.

Rating: B. That’s probably high but I was enjoying this match. Kofi and Dolph have some awesome chemistry together and it worked very well here. They’re clearly building to a big rematch with the Colons, if you can call that big of course. Pretty good match here and I was really liking it by the end.

Eve tells Hawkins and Reks to go into the crowd and confiscate all anti-Laurinitis signs. Otunga says this is legally ok. There has to be a rib here somewhere.

Divas Title: Layla vs. Beth Phoenix

Layla is defending. She grabs a headlock to start but Beth powers her down. The fans want Kharma. Layla takes her back down and pounds away, including an elbow into a charging Beth. Beth counters a rana (I think) out of the corner into a powerbomb to work on the knee. She wraps it around the post and slams her down for two.

There’s a half crab and a tap chant. Layla comes back with a rolling cradle for two. This is a really boring match. After a quick bit on the apron, the Glam Slam is countered into a kind of DDT for two. Another attempt is countered into a rollup for two but Beth counters into one of her own with tights for two. Beth takes the knee out again but walks into the Layout for the pin at 7:13.

Rating: D. I usually don’t like Divas matches but this one was especially boring. The Kharma chants just kept reminding me that they’re keeping the belt warm for her. Layla and Beth are both good looking, but for the life of me I have no desire to watch them have a wrestling match. The ending was better than the rest of the match.

We go to Orton and see a clip of him hitting the RKO after losing to Sheamus. He says Sheamus would have done the same to him. Jericho comes up and says he enjoyed the match on Smackdown with the two of them beating on each other. He says he’ll win, but Orton says that Jericho will only be the best in the world at losing to him.

Smackdown World Title: Alberto Del Rio vs. Sheamus vs. Chris Jericho vs. Randy Orton

I’ve been looking forward to this. During the big match intros, the announcers talk about how he has a 25% chance of winning. Wouldn’t they always have at best a 50% chance? Anyway Jericho goes after Orton and Del Rio jumps Sheamus. The good guys almost have a rematch from Friday but the heels jump them again. Del Rio and Jericho are knocked to the floor and it’s rematch time.

Sheamus takes over but gets pulled to the floor by Jericho and thrown into the barricade. Del Rio jumps Orton and works on the arm. The fans chant SI as Del Rio and Jericho have a brief alliance. Alberto heads to the floor and works on Sheamus’ arm, sending him into the table. In the ring Orton suplexes Jericho and stomps him for two. The heels team up again but once Jericho goes for a cover it’s time to fight.

Orton comes back to clothesline Del Rio to the floor and it’s Randy vs. Jericho for a bit. Enziguri gets two for the Canadian. Sheamus has apparently stopped living as he’s been gone for about three minutes now. Cole talks about Raw going three hours as Orton loads up a superplex. Del Rio makes the save for some reason and Orton goes to the floor with Jericho. Sheamus comes back with the top rope shoulder and some knees to Del Rio in the corner.

Regal Roll puts Del Rio down again and Sheamus shouts BROGUE. Del Rio blocks it with an enziguri for two. Into the corner and Sheamus fires off a bunch of elbows to Del Rio’s head. That corner has been a bad place for him so far. Powerslam gets two. The periods of guys laying on the floor is a lot longer tonight. Del Rio takes out the knee and a dropkick to Sheamus while the champ is on his knees gets two.

Del Rio misses a charging kick and gets caught in position for the ten forearms. Jericho pops up with a shot to the back, sending Del Rio and Sheamus to the floor and onto Ricardo. Orton comes back in with the powerslams to Jericho and an elevated DDT to the champion. Cross armbreaker beaks up the RKO but Jericho saves Randy. Lionsault gets knees from Del Rio but Orton hits the backbreaker on Jericho. Irish Curse puts Del Rio down but Orton tries the RKO. Sheamus escapes and misses the Kick but he counters the RKO into a rollup like Friday for two. Orton sends him into the post and out to the floor. Great sequence.

Double DDT takes out Del Rio and Ricardo but Del Rio sends Orton to the floor. Cross armbreaker to Jericho is counters into the Walls (SWEET) but Sheamus comes in to break it up. Jericho ducks the Kick and hits the Codebreaker for two. Cole picks NOW to plug WWE.com. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Jericho hits his finisher so TIME TO PLUG THE WEBSITE!!! Regal Roll is countered into the Walls but Randy RKOs him. Del Rio saves that and takes one of his own. Brogue Kick takes down Orton (great selling) and Jericho rolls Sheamus up with tights for two. I thought that was it. White Noise to Jericho retains at 16:00.

Rating: A. That’s probably high but I really dug this. It was the match I’ve been looking forward to the most all night and it certainly didn’t disappoint. Those finisher parades were great and I was really wondering who was going to get the win, which is the best thing a match can do. Thank goodness they went with this instead of Sheamus vs. Del Rio. I really liked this.

Cody and Eve talk in the back and Rhodes is glad the IC Title is getting legitimized tonight. He says he would have embarrassed Christian tonight and guess who is behind him. Christian changes his mind and is challenging Cody tonight. That’s an intriguing feud if they let Cody be himself.

Here’s Miz for a match but he has a mic first. He also has the coat back which is an upgrade. Miz says that the fans should be praising his existence. Everything that is wrong with the WWE can be summed up in two words: Brodus Clay. Miz says he’s a better dancer and shows off a little bit. Brodus does his stuff and looks like a pumpkin with orange and black this week.

Brodus Clay vs. The Miz

This isn’t a dance off thank goodness. Miz gets shoved into the corner and has his forearms shrugged off. Brodus rams Miz into the corner and hits a suplex. Miz tries to go up top but gets heabutted down. Miz sends Clay into the post on the floor. Back in a pair of top rope ax handles put Brodus down to his knee. Boot to the head gets two and it’s off to a chinlock. Brodus gets up and runs him over, then hits his overhead suplex from the middle rope. Splash ends this at 4:13.

Rating: D+. This was your usual Brodus match. The problem with him at the end of the day is there’s really nothing you can do with him at this stage. He’s squashing bigger names now and the dancing with kids (going on right now) is a nice touch, but they need to give him some adversity or something at all to do so he can move up without things looking silly.

Reks and Hawkins are stealing signs.

Cody complains about the fans being happy with him having to defend the title tonight. He talks about his dad not letting him come to any shows in North Carolina as a kid, and now he knows it’s because he’s better than everyone else. Tonight he’ll prove that he’s better than Christian. I’m liking these short pre-match promos. They add a little something to them.

Intercontinental Title: Christian vs. Cody Rhodes

Christian throws him to the floor to start and Cody is frustrated. Cody comes back in with a Russian legsweep for two and we hit the armbar/neckcrank. Christian gets up but gets dropkicked in the back of his head for two. Cody works him over in the corner and we head outside. The champ climbs the steps like he’s setting for the Disaster Kick but hits a dropkick instead.

Back inside and Cody jumps into a punch to the ribs. Pendulum Kick sets up a middle rope missile dropkick for two. The crowd has gone dead after the foruway. Killswitch is broken up but Christian pops him in the face to keep momentum. Top rope dropkick misses and Cody rolls him up for two. Tornado DDT is countered and Christian stands there for the moonsault press (looked really stupid) for two. Cody yells at the fans about being tired of being jerked around and walks into the Killswitch to give us a new champion at 7:28.

Rating: C-. The match was pretty dull but I’m very pleased with this change. Cody being depushed like he was made the title look horrible and getting it off Rhodes was the best thing they could do. Christian is a steady hand and you know you’re going to get passable matches out of him at worst. Also having him as a face is a plus to me. Boring match, good result.

We go to Punk in the back and see a clip from the end of the Punk vs. Kane match with Bryan getting Punk a beating by Kane. Punk is happy that tonight Ace will be out of a job. First up though is Daniel Bryan who he’s known for ten years. Ten years ago, if you had told Vince that these two would be fighting for the WWE Title on a WWE PPV, you would hear him ask who they both were (complete with a funny Vince imitation). Bryan is a changed man and those changes have gotten on his bad side. Tonight won’t just be a five star classic, but it’ll be…..and here’s AJ who says this is going to be fun. She wishes Punk luck.

Raw World Title: Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk

Cole again plugs WWE.com which has an article about their history. You know, because Cole can’t TELL US THOSE THINGS. Feeling out process to start and Punk takes him into the corner and kicks at the leg. The fans seem totally split. A quick headlock goes nowhere so Punk works on the knee some more.

Modified Indian Deathlock goes on from the champ but Bryan gets on top of him and fires off forearms.
Punk weathers that and hits a curb stomp of all things for two. He sends Bryan to the floor but Bryan is ready for him and sends Punk back first into the barricade. The bad ribs are draped over the barricade and Bryan takes over. Back in a top rope missile dropkick (with knee selling) gets two. Bryan hooks a seated abdominal stretch with some elbows to the ribs. Knee drop gets one.

Punk tries a Figure Four out of nowhere (complete with WOO chants. We’re in North Carolina remember) but Bryan rolls him up for two. There’s a surfboard (complete with YES each time he rocks back) which is always cool to me. Bryan keeps Punk’s legs in the air and bends his face down into a dragon sleeper at the same time. FREAKING OW MAN! Off to a regular dragon sleeper but Punk comes back with forearms of his own. That’s some nice storytelling as they’ve mirrored each other completely, even down to the counter into mounted forearms, for the first ten minutes.

Bryan hits a hard running knee drop to the back to keep Punk down. Another misses and Punk gets a Perfectplex for two. Bryan suplexes him down and hits a swan dive headbutt for two. Off to a chinlock with a knee in the back of the champ. Punk gets up and they both hit cross bodies to put both guys down. Back up and Punk fires off forearms and hits the neckbreaker.

Punk tries the corner clothesline but gets kicked in the face. Powerslam gets two for the champ. Bryan escapes a suplex but Punk backdrops him to the floor. Suicide dive takes Daniel down but he hits a dropkick to counter the springboard clothesline for two. Bryan fires off the kicks but the last one is caught in a dragon screw leg whip. Figure Four goes on and the fans get fired up again.

With the hold on they slap it out but Punk doesn’t let go of the hold. Bryan makes the rope and Booker shouts that he has til five. Knee crusher is countered into a sunset flip for two. Punk’s rollup gets the same. Bryan tries something with the arm but Punk pulls away. Bryan is cool with that and kicks Punk’s head off for two. They go to the corner and Punk crotches Bryan on the top.

With Bryan sitting on the ropes, Punk hits the springboard clothesline for two. We’re at almost twenty minutes now and they’re showing no signs of ending soon. The fans think this is awesome. I can’t remember the last time I’ve heard that at a WWE show. They trade forearms from their knees and Punk takes over with his strikes. GTS is countered into a rollup for two.

YES Lock is countered into a slingshot to send Bryan to the apron. He skins the cat but walks into a high kick for two. Bryan put his foot on the rope so Punk hooks it for another two. I like that. Macho Elbow hits but the ribs are too hurt to cover. A Randy Savage chant starts up as Punk gets two. Bryan goes off, firing knees into the ribs. He charges but the running dropkick misses.

Running knee hits but the bulldog is countered into the YES Lock in the middle of the ring. Bryan pulls too hard and Punk falls on top for the pin at 24:04. He was tapping at the same time though so there’s your rematch at No Way Out. I think the pin stands though. Replay shows that the three count was clearly done before Punk tapped and the announcers acknowledged it.

Rating: A. Yep it was great. This whole show has been great but unfortunately these two are going to get blamed when the show tanks because no one wants to see Ace in the ring because no one cares about him. Anyway, the match was great and I have no complaints about it at all. The crowd reaction was great too, which is something you don’t get anymore in WWE so that’s a good sign too.

Yeah another replay shows that the referee was almost up to his feet saying ring the bell before Punk tapped. It’s not even close.

Eve and Otunga are in the back and run into Teddy. He’s happy because if Ace loses, the two of them might get fired.

Camacho vs. Ryback

Lillian says that it’s Hunico but it’s Camacho. Good reaction for Ryback who has Nexus like R bands on his arm. What do you expect here? We get Goldberg chants, some offense from Camacho, spinebuster, a powerbomb and the MuscleBuster for the pin at 1:52.

We recap the main event. Ace calls it People Power, naturally he’s corrupt boss #8000 and brings in Lesnar to be his big machine, only to have Lesnar lose to Cena in his first match. This leads to Ace vs. Cena and if Cena wins, Ace is fired. Oh and if any wrestler interferes, he’s fired. Did I mention Big Show was fired on Monday?

John Cena vs. John Laurinatis

We hear about some All Japan titles and I quote, “one of the greatest tag teams of all times in the Dynamic Dudes.” For those of you unfamiliar, NO. Just NO. Ace is in a full body black suit which is skin tight. I think it’s Under Armour. Just to be clear: The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Johnny Ace. Also for the sake of this, if I use the name John, I will only be referring to Cena. You can only win by pin or submission and if Ace loses he’s fired.

Ace immediately runs to the crowd but Cena catches him. He rips the Armour up and hits a loud chop to the chest and the back. LONG airplane spin puts Ace on the floor and Cena rings the bell next to his ear. Cena puts Ace in Cole’s chair and puts a headset on him. He grabs a mic and says he’ll be Booker while Ace is Cole. Cena’s imitations of both guys are pretty good and Ace says FIVE TIME while half unconscious. Ace has had no offense at all.

Back into the ring and Ace begs for mercy. He extends a hand which gets him slammed. Cena grabs a mic and says he has an idea. He says he’s about to put Ace in the STF and if Ace taps, he’s fired. If Ace can last ten seconds, Cena will let go and in the name of PEOPLE POWER, the fans can keep time. Cena lets go at ten and says the good news is that Ace survived. The bad news is he’s going to do it again. Cena isn’t cranking on it at all.

John goes to the floor and gets some water. He thinks Ace needs some water too so he gets three bottles and pours them over Ace. One of them go down Ace’s pants. Now it’s time for a fire extinguisher. Ace begs for mercy so Cena only sprays him a bit. It’s been hot around here so that doesn’t sound half bad right now. Cena sprays him for about fifteen seconds and Ace looks like a snowman. This is hilarious so far.

Cena finds a trashcan which is full of popcorn and drinks. Well at least it washes the foam off. Ace gets into the crowd as Cena is looking for more stuff but Cena catches him. Ace gets in a shot to the bad arm and Cena is in some trouble. The arm goes into the table as Cole is losing his mind. It goes into the steps and Ace grabs a chair. Naturally, he hits Cena in the ribs instead of the arm but at least he’s trying. A few shots to the back get two.

Cena blocks a chair shot to the head and trips Ace’s legs with it. Instead of the Shuffle, Cena drives the chair into Ace’s face. He picks Ace up but takes a low blow to put him back down again. Ace goes into the crowd again and slowly crawls up the aisle. He gets past the floor seats and Cena is still in the ring. Ace gets out of the arena and the referee isn’t sure what to do.

And here it is. Big Show pops up with Ace by his throat and drags him back to the ring. He throws Ace back in (with a beer gut the size of your local luchador) and Cena is ready. Ace begs off some more so Show stands on his hand. Cena puts him in the AA and of course Show punches him to the shock of no one. Ace gets the pin at 17:08.

Rating: C. The match was a comedy match until the end. I’ll go with a rating in the middle because I enjoyed the big beating but when you know the ending, it’s like watching a movie for the second time. Everyone who has watched more than five minutes of wrestling could tell you what was going to happen there and it’s nothing most people seem interested in from what I’ve read.
Everyone is SHOCKED to end the show. SHOCKED I SAY!

Overall Rating: B+. You know I was LOVING this show before the ending. There were two great matches here, but the ending is the same stuff that has made ratings fall week after week but this is what has been chosen and that’s what we’re going to get. It’ll be Cena vs. Show over the summer and Lesnar vs. lawyers or whatever and Punk/Bryan/Sheamus will be blamed when people stop watching because their 10 minutes a week are the problem, not the 30 minutes the other stuff gets. Great show with a bad ending though.

Results

Christian won a battle royal, last eliminating The Miz
Kofi Kingston/R-Truth b. Dolph Ziggler/Jack Swagger – Trouble in Paradise to Ziggler
Layla b. Beth Phoenix – Layout
Sheamus b. Alberto Del Rio, Chris Jericho and Randy Orton – White Noise to Jericho
Brodus Clay b. The Miz – Splash
Christian b. Cody Rhodes – Killswitch
CM Punk b. Daniel Bryan – Rollup
Ryback b. Camacho – MuscleBuster
John Laurinaitis b. John Cena – Pin after WMD from Big Show

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Comments

  1. "Wouldn’t they always have at best a 50% chance?"

    Except when you add Kurt Angle to the mix, then your chances of winning drastic go down.

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  2. Jeez Thomas could you be any more cynical here?  I don't give me that "Well you know I'm right" crap because you DON'T know what's going to happen.

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  3. Will we get a review from Scott tonight or did he not order?

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  4. The_One_Millionth_VisitorMay 20, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    THAT IS MY FAVORITE STEINER PROMO!!!

    runner-up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOoXZe_S3wI

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  5. SasukespecialmanMay 20, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    And Scott Steiner's chances always stand at 141 and ha- percent.

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  6. I thought the "taking away the signs" thing was ironic. It's kind of like Scott's example about Austin/Punk and wearing a suit - they're using taking away the signs to show that Johnny is trying to censor the fans and treated it like a bad thing, yet they do it themselves.

    I have no desire to see another Big Show/Cena feud, nor another Big Show heel push. Storyline wise, it makes sense - Show has to side with Johnny to get his job back, Johnny wants a huge enforcer - there's just nothing new to do with Big Show and feuding with Cena again is a bit much.

    That certainly wasn't the best run of Jericho's career. I applaud him for coming back specifically to put Punk over, but you could tell they didn't want to do too much to put Jericho over, likely because he's leaving.

    If the rumors are true that they didn't have faith in Del Rio and Sheamus in a one on one match they might want to re-think things. They've pushed them both strong for a couple of years now, Sheamus is a top face, Del Rio a top heel, have he multiple title reigns...yet they don't think they can carry a match against one another on a B-pay per view in the 3rd most important match on the card.

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  7. So I'm guessing Punk messed up by tapping too late?

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  8. Don't forget the 66 and 23rds perchance if they was to go one on one

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  9. I think he said he was out of town anyways but had no interest in seeing it. We should at least encourage him to torrent Punk/Bryan to see if it gets the full monty.

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  10. I doubt Big Show will be a full-on heel, but will be the reluctant kind a la HBK working for JBL. Clearly, Show did it to get his job back and not because he's doing a full 180.

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  11. I don't think they were going for the simultaneous tap/fall a la Angle/Taker. They'd probably like to have Punk shave it a little closer, but a second or so behind is still gonna be enough to fuel Bryan to get a rematch.

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  12. SasukespecialmanMay 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Damnit! You must be one of those romantics!

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  13. I wasn't sure about that.  The way it looked on replay, Punk tapped significantly after  the pin so maybe it was planned that way to make Bryan's submission look strong.  Either way they can get a rematch out of it so it's not a big deal either way.

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  14. Yeah, Angle/Taker was my 1st thought when Punk started tapping, which is why I was like, "um, I think Punk's a bit slow on the draw there."

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  15. SasukespecialmanMay 20, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    I love that promo. You can actually see Mean Gene trying to remember whether or not he closed he garage and coming up with a new layout for his living room.

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  16. No, but I can make a pretty solid prediction about it.

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  17. I think you went a little high on the WHC match.  I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I also feel like Fatal Fourways have a tendency to feel more fun than they are.  Makes no sense, I know, but I always know what to expect with fourways and this one was no different.  Still great match, lots of fun, just not one I'm going to want to watch again.

    I think you were dead on with the tag title match.  That's exactly what a curtain jerker should be.  B match with great action and a surprisingly hot crowd, especially for Kofi.

    I love the ending of Punk/Bryan, though it should have been closer on the tap.  Hopefully this leads to more of Bryan's evil shenanigans in protest of his loss.  He'll probably claim that their should be another asterisk etc, etc.  As soon as they hit the 3:00 min mark I was pretty sure it would meet expectations, when Bryan played possum and ducked under Punk's suicide dive, I knew they'd exceed expectations.

    I loved this PPV.  I'm already over the last match, couldn't care less, one way or the other.  Everything else was a great display of how much talent really exists in this company.  Even the squash matches served a purpose and at least they fed Clay Camacho instead of Hunico.  

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  18.  It's not the same when this goof reviews shows and not smarmy sloppy tits scott keith.

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  19. Fun *is* a feeling! How can something feel more fun than it feels?

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  20. http://www.facebook.com/questions/10150847959061443/

    Seering how many people rated that show so low made me happy. Now whether or not that's because Cena lost or because the last match was that awful is just another story altogether.

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  21. Yeah, I noted that didn't really make sense.  It was fun to see the parade of finishers, but there was little else besides the fun.  I dunno.  Most 3 ways/ 4 ways are like that.

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  22. It wasn't that bad either.  It was about what you would expect: comedy, a brief comeback from Ace and the ending.

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  23. First of all, kudos to those who used Scott Steiner math.

    Second of all, if Big Show were utterly humiliated last week, wouldn't he want Johnny to be fired?  Wouldn't he have a better chance of being rehired by another GM than to hope the person who made his life hell temporarily rehires him?  Or if Johnny got fired, why wouldn't Show go immediately to his pal HHH and ask him for his job back?  Hell, why wouldn't HHH and "the board of directors" nullify Johnny's abuse of power and keep Big Show? And if Show just made a huge speech about loving the fans, why would he want to punch the face of the Face of the Company? Even by WWE logic, I'm not sure if any of this really makes sense.

    Thirdly, if they were going to make it a comedy match, I'm not sure why Cena-Ace was the main event.  That belongs in the mid-card even if there's a bunch of kids in the arena with Cena shirts on.

    Fourthly, that Punk-Bryan match surpassed my expectations.  I wasn't sure if they were going to give them that much time.  If it leads to a rematch, that would be great.  I'm hoping Punk can step up his "mic game" with a fellow ROH alum--he hasn't been as engaging the last few months. I'm hoping for more evil Bryan promos (his relaxed nature makes him always appear supremely confident and somewhat charismatic--I think he's one of the best talkers in the WWE).  And I'm hoping for an evil AJ sighting that might compare with evil Trish circa 2004.

    Fifthly, I liked the tag and fatal four way matches.  Both were extremely entertaining.  I was also digging the Christian return.  But I could do without these random Ryback and Clay matches (isn't this the second PPV in a row they did this?)

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  24. I actually think that's a little undeserved considering the show was pretty decent with a possible five-star match, but hopefully this will get the attention of the company that we need less Johnny Ace.

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  25. Closing out a PPV with a comedy match for a feud nobody cares about is a terrible idea no matter how you look at it.

    Bischoff and Austin only went 4 minutes, and didn't close out the show. Austin/McMahon in a cage only went 7, but the reason it closed the show was because it was the hottest feud in wrestling and Big Show broke in from underneath the ring (plus you sent the fans home happy with Austin getting his title match). 

    This match had no reason to close the show, when you could have ended it with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan tearing the house down.

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  26.  I know exactly what you mean.  I thought the four way formula was perfected at Backlash 2007, and they've been sticking to the formula ever since. But in every four way match since then, we have a largely forgettable first half (I have honestly forgotten the first half of the match even though it was a few hours ago) until we get to signature moves and reversals in a rapid fire succession that continues to be very impressive.  The one in 2007 had HBK and an energetic Cena making things a little more memorable in the first half of that match.

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  27. Disagreed on the WHC match as well. It was a great ending sequence, but the beginning and middle were slow and plodding at best, and it was shaping up to be a pretty bad fatal-fourway at that point. I guess my problem is that no one built to anything in the match. There wasn't a story being told by the workers that was compelling, it was cookie-cutter, formulaic stuff, right down to the alignments breaking down, etc. Plus, the booking was completely wrong here - Orton or Jericho should have gone over to set up the next several months of booking for Sheamus at the top. One of the main issues, I think, with Sheamus has been that they keep trying to book him strong, but they haven't gotten past the Wrestlemania mistake, and it shows in his crowd reaction. Last month against Bryan was a good start, but he's been awkwardly placed at the top of the card. Keep in mind, I'm not saying the match was BAD; the end sequence was excellent. I found it in the just good to very good range, not on a comparable level of Bryan/Punk, which you rated the same.

    Bryan/Punk....what can you say? It was a great professional wrestling match. One of the few matches that lived up to the hype and then some. I can nitpick a few things, and I actually think that a match like that deserves to be picked at a little bit. To wit: Bryan's off and on selling of the leg at certain points bothered me. He was utilizing kicks with the injured leg that Punk was selling at full force, whereas they should have been sold at half-speed after the initial punishment and figure-four. Bryan slipped into a choke at the end which should have broken the hold before the 3 count, and Punk waited too long to tap to keep Daniel strong. Him tapping eventually helped tremendously, as did the fact that they constructed the match to make sure that Bryan didn't kick out of a GTS or escape an Anaconda Vice. Combined with the fact that Punk didn't actually escape the Lebell Lock, and you get the finishers over strong as deadly killers. I greatly prefer that to the kick out of the finisher type matches. I had it at ****1/2, with a cleaner finish it probably gets the full monty. The slaps in the figure four were just tremendous.

    Ending on Cena/Laurinaitis was stupid beyond levels of stupid. First and foremost, the crowd was HOT for Punk/Bryan, and they followed along the whole time. To paraphrase Scott from one of his reviews: "See, this is wrestling. Good, honest to god professional wrestling. If that's all the fans are fed, they'll pop for it." Instead, they got fed a comedy match that went far too long in the main event, after watching 25 minutes of the best wrestlers in the company putting on a great match. Also, why have your top non-wrestling heel win the main event when you had your face world champion win the stronger match underneath him? What will people remember, and why not put over the face in the main? Isn't that the whole maxim of send them home happy? Cena looked like a complete tool AND an idiot to boot. So, he beats the shit out of John the whole time, looking more and more like a bully with each shot, doesn't beat him when he can at numerous opportunities, and then gets beat when he doesn't see the Big Show turn that everyone on earth saw coming. How was that a good followup to him beating Lesnar last month?

    Still, liked the PPV quite a bit. The tag title, fatal fourway, and the WWE championship match clearly makes this a thumbs up show. Another note - all the non-squash or Divas matches got a lot of time to work with, and the show was good as a result. Who would have thought?

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  28. This is 100% correct, and exactly how I feel. Putting that match on last and letting it go on for so long was the biggest miscalculation of the night.

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  29.  I agree with you on Bryan's spotty selling of the leg. Every time he ran across the ring at full speed and then sold it 10 seconds later I cringed. He knows better than that! I also wished the working over of the leg and ribs had some kind of payoff. Bryan can't get everything behind a kick, Punk collapses while going for a GTS (I guess we got that with the elbow spot, but nothing equivalent for Bryan!), etc.

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  30. Yeah but king/cole went like 15 at WM!

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  31. SasukespecialmanMay 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Yeah. Bryan's selling could have been a bit more consistent (though for the most part I found it to be fine). He made up for it, though, by providing honest to god intensity. I can't remember the last time someone came across so legitimately pissed in match. Those knees to the ribs were vicious, as was his work on the surfboard. It is neat to watch because you see the fans getting into it not because they are signature holds or finishers, but because the wrestlers execute and sell the moves as being effective. That has been my favorite part of Bryan's work lately: he has managed to have great, hot, exciting matches without relying on tonnes of finishers. This match was all stiffness, intensity and psychology. Any errors in selling - and, I agree, they could have had a spot where the body part work paid off a bit more - were made up for by putting on a match that no one else in the company could. Dear god, these two are so good. Can we just have a three hour PPV dedicated to a best of 13 series between them?

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  32. I just rewatched that match the other day. Still one of my favorite finishes. 

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  33. We can at least agree Bryan sold the leg better than Layla did in her match. She went full Warrior/HHH on Beth at times.

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  34. I don't have problem with spotty selling because adrenaline can kind of make up for it.  If you watch Danielson(Daniel Bryan)/KENTA, Danielson/Daniel Bryan had a legit injury and could still use the shoulder.  Selling doesn't mean you can't use it, it just means that your opponent can exploit it.

    Plus, I thought the point of that was that Daniel Bryan won the battle of the body parts.  He was actually in control of the match, and it was only by being clever that Punk won.

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  35. I really like what the WWE did the preshow.  They introduced the battle royal participants and showed Christian's return and if you skipped the preshow, you were kind of thrown off balance by the battle royal that started things.  It's good for the WWE to sell the idea that the pre-show matters.  The battle royal was also really good IMO and it gave a nice shine to Tyson Kidd.

    I've heard a lot of jokes that with the move to a three hour RAW that the WWE is becoming WCW.  This pay-per-view demonstrates that by having a great show until the main event.

    By the way, I just don't think this Ryback thing is clicking.  Everywhere he goes he's getting "Goldberg" chants, but not much additional heat.  Brodus is in the same boat.  The crowd was really mild for his win over the Miz.

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  36. Agreed, absolutely. But I expect Bryan to sell better. He's the better professional wrestler, and the acclaim he's earned by being one of the best in the world also holds him to a higher standard than most wrestlers. I think that's fair, because the ultimate insult to someone when speaking about their professional accumen is to say 'I can't believe you did it well!' That's basically saying that you expected nothing from them in the first place, and that's not where a true professional wants to be. The reason I said the match was worthy of being picked over is because it's better than most matches, and the reasons why should be analyzed. That's what gives it value, that's what allows us to say 'this match was better than that one.' It's no different from any type of artistic criticism. 

    And don't besmirch the Ultimate Warrior, sir. He's one of the best.....ah, who am I kidding?

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  37. Don't get me wrong, I liked the 4 way a lot.  But honestly I enjoyed Orton/Sheamus  from the go home Smackdown more.  That was a fantastic match, and I would have no problem with Orton/Sheamus headlining NWO.

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  38. Right, but Bryan was using the leg in ways that should have been less than full strength based on his own selling during the match. He could barely walk without limping, but he's throwing full force kicks? Still, a minor quibble at best. And yes, I agree that D-Bry won the body part battle with the ribs, which Punk did a great job selling. 

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  39. As far as the Big Show thing goes, as a person at my house/viewing party said "weeeelllllll, it's a plot hole". 

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  40. Kicking isn't done with the leg, it's done with rotating the hips.  If you use the leg as dead weight, it's ok.  

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  41. Austin/Vince is only 7 minutes if you count bell to bell. If you could Austin kicking his ass before they even get in the cage and the match "starts", it's close to half an hour.

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  42. Big Show is an enormous plot hole. If the Board has the power to overrule Johnny and fire anyone who interferes, why didn't they overrule him to keep Big Show? Or, if the storyline is they decided to allow it to stand, why would they allow Johnny to hire Show back now that he interfered?

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  43. One thing I loved about Punk/Bryan...they (gasp) made a heel, and not a monster heel, look strong as hell against a top face. Bryan not only was evenly matched with Punk, but at the very end you could make the argument that Bryan had Punk beat and got caught with a quick rollup, with Punk tapping to Bryan's finisher clean as possible, just a second after the pinfall. I seriously cannot remember the last time a non monster heel looked as strong as Bryan did there.

    And guess what? I bet Punk comes out tomorrow night and hasn't lost a step whatsoever. WWE is so fucking panicky about allowing any heels to look strong against their top faces (with only a few exceptions), but now everyone exits the match looking stronger than they did before. Punk looks stronger by extending his title reign even longer and beating a legitimate challenger, and Bryan looks stronger by fighting Punk to a standstill and actually having the upper hand at the end before a mental lapse.

    More please. Because if the next PPV is something like Punk VS Kane and Cena VS Big Show, I QUIT WRESTLING.

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  44.  I usually hate iron man matches, but I would definitely buy any PPV that featured these two in one. They looked like they easily could have gone another twenty tonight. And that Surfboard move where Bryan slammed Punk face down was great!

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  45. I think the scary part was that this wasn't meant to be a comedy segment.  This is our main event angle for at least another month.  

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  46. You can count on Cena-Big Show.  I think that's penciled in and it might be a cage match (hence the "No Way Out" title they are going with - It's going to be so weird seeing that PPV in a month that isn't February).  And don't worry, it'll main event to make the little Cenas happy.

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  47. I'm pretty sure all those thumbs downs are pissed off Cena fans. 

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  48.  I know what we're technically supposed to expect form selling, but does anyone ever take a moment to stop and realize how it really is kind of silly? There isn't some precise formula that say Wrester A took Y kicks to the leg so now he can only run at X speed.  I assume we've all hurt ourselves before right?  Unless you're completely immobilized (like you've broken your leg and can't stand on it at all) you're still fully able to use an injured limb; it just hurts like Bruce Dickenson to do so.  So yes, Bryan, jacked up on adrenaline, could run full speed across the ring, he's just going to suffer for it after the fact.  That seems completely reasonable to me. 

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  49.  Most definitely.  That finish was so dramatic and innovative at the time.  And the way Shawn sells his logistical mistake is priceless.  By the way, your comments on this thread have been on target and entertaining.

    And livingonapear, I still enjoyed the match as well.

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  50. my favorite YouTube video - I seriously watch it at least once idea, it always cracks me up.

    SeƱor Joe!

    Kurt Angle KNOWS!

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  51. I didn't watch the show (I'll watch Punk/Bryan before Raw tomorrow), but WTF is up with a show we all agreed was built poorly with a boring main event angle having almost 500 comments in the live thread?! I thought we all agreed we were skipping this show. You guys lied to me!

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  52. I know they wouldn't have added any extra buys by announcing Brodus/Miz and Ryback/Camacho ahead of time, and it's not a huge deal, but impromptu matches on PPV always bug me. Makes it feel like an episode of Raw. I like knowing ALL the matches in advance, just like how it was when I was a kid.

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  53. Fun show. Skipped the 'main event', but in the UK it was one of Sky Sports' free PPVs (if that makes sense), so I don't feel in any way short chang'd.

    Punk/Bryan - let's do that again, many, many times. Bryan proved, as he did last month, that you can build a compelling match without overreliance on trademark spots, kicking out of finishers, or the piss-poor 'brawling' most others use to cover their lack of wrestling ability. Tremendous pro-wrestling.

    Pretty much everything else was fun aside from the women's match which was business-exposing at best. It amuses me that Layla tries (and normally fails) headscissor/springboard moves when she can barely execute a collar-and-elbow tie-up.

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  54.  Liked only for the Always Sunny reference name. Even though last season was by a mile the worst they've ever done.

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  55.  A good number of those were people making fun of me for being severely drunk.

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  56. That's how it was, too. I remember looking at the back of WM boxes and there were like, 30 matches listed. No matter how trivial. 

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  57.  Seriously...I almost choked to death on my protein bar watching this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Qr614o0Jc&feature=related

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  58. The_One_Millionth_VisitorMay 21, 2012 at 7:07 AM

    Glad you came back to us Dr. Banner.

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  59. The_One_Millionth_VisitorMay 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM

    yesa nother good one. the fat black kid in the background at 2:17 is just icing on the cake.

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  60. They've wasted Johnny Ace.  Nobody should have touched him for at least the rest of this year, especially Cena.  It's sad they had to use him just because he's the only character fans hate almost universally. 

    Also, why put him in with a top-tier guy?  He'd have been a more credible threat against, say Santino than the guy who just beat Lesnar.  He and Santino could have actually had a match without the fans calling bullshit.  Also, it might have been funny.  Cena just isn't funny.

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  61. The same thing happened for Brock though.  "He turned out ok."

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  62. There's no way in a million, billion years that they do this but it would make sense for Show to come out with Laurainitis and say that they were in cahoots the whole time and that the public firing was to snooker Cena. Have Big Show explain that he wanted a shot at the title and Laurinaitis promised him the title if he helped get rid of Cena.

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  63. Tazz debuted against Kurt Angle in an impromptu match on PPV and no one seemed to mind that one.

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  64. Between Brodus, Lesnar, Tensai and Ryback they're really good and f'ed in terms of creative directions for monsters, eh?

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  65.  While the Cena/Laurinaitis match wasn't deserving of main event, Big Johnny is the GM of both shows and he "dictates" which matches go where on the cards. It's only right that an egomaniac put his match last.

    Plus, he's still continuing that feud with CM Punk because he's snubbing him from main events and "devaluing" the importance of the title so he can show Punk that the titles don't matter to him anymore. It's the face of WWE that he cares about now.

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  66. But Johnny already has a big fat enforcer in Tensai...unless the plan is to surround himself with big fat enforcers, which is why I'm especially happy Mark Henry is finally taking the time off.

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  67.  I almost choked on my fiber lactose free, hormone free, granola free bar.

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  68. I liken you to Bender from Futurama. You can properly post unless you ARE drunk.

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  69. Big Show is an enormous hole, alright.

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  70. actually, they might think they book him strong. because I am pretty sure he won't be top stars in a decisive manner. and if he does (for once) he'll return the job next week/next ppv. add the fact that he went from bad ass to goofball and it's no wonder he doesn't get as over as a legitimate powerhouse than the WWE probably like him to be.

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  71. agree. I was thinking the same thing while watching ("why does Bryan climb to the top rope that fast? isn't his leg hurting like crazy?").

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  72. screw an iron man match, just do a match with "normal" rules and then let them go for forty minutes or more!

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  73. The_One_Millionth_VisitorMay 21, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    ah but kurt was schedule to face someone and it was telegraphed that it was gonna be tazz.

    sometimes its cool. nowadays the card is built around 3 matches and the rest are unannounced leaving impromptu matches (upwards of 2-3 per ppv) with ppl we could care less about.

    thats not cool.

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  74. Wow Cena/Ace was the main? God, what a slap in the face to Bryan/Punk. I can't say I'm surprised but still. Ugh.

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  75. I don't think you understand what an "impromptu" match is.

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  76.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpm-WMSjE0A

    Batista's entrance here always makes me laugh - he's "selling" injuries by wearing bandage but isn't exactly acting like a guy who's in any sort of pain.

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  77. Yeah at least the last 100 or so...lol

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  78. Am I really the one person on the whole planet that caught the pre-show interview with Swagler?

    Is it possible I'm the only witness to the greatest promo in history? Can that really be so?

    I just can't imagine how, if people actually saw that, it isn't the most talked about subject of the day.

    The dude called himself THE SAUCIER OF SWAGGER. What the fuck America? 

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  79. If you had bothered keeping up with your totem pole of celebrity you'd know that Tommy Hall is no goddamn goof.

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  80. Hey Ryan, hopefully today wasn't too rough on you.  Seriously, I've never seen anyone so drunk that they couldn't type, wasn't trying to fuck with you too hard.  As for zingers, Cult was just killing it.

    Did you go back and read some of the posts?

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  81. The_One_Millionth_VisitorMay 21, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    maybe u had some of ryans famous dizzy juice.

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  82. It's buckdiddy...Guy makes fun of people about their grammar while butchering the english language.  Total troll.

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  83. And thank God they wouldn't. I don't want Big Show elbowing his way into my three months of Punk-Bryan.

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  84.  But the general wrestling audience cares about a match or two each show and just watch the other stuff just because it's a part of the show. So you can't really fault WWE for catering towards the bigger audience. Yes, it can be annoying, but it's wrestling and "impromptu" is something that wrestling has always been about.

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  85. That is an exceptional point, and one that should have been played up.  All it would've taken was 2 lines of dialog from the announcers.

    Monsoon:  "Jess, it's disgusting that the GM chose to make *his* match the main event, instead of the championship match."
    Ventura:  "Well Gorilla, I agree with you, but the boss has that right."

    Apologies for using the 80s broadcast team for the example, but I can't imagine the current group saying anything so relevant.

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  86. I'm meta and you don't get me. It's okay, because ten years from now you'll be nostalgic for me.

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  87. Mint chai acai pomegranate fusion.

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  88. You should've known that even our disgust over Cena-Johnny couldn't actually keep us away from Punk-Bryan.

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  89. Totem pole of mediocrity?

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  90. Mediocrity pole of mediocrity.

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  91. Ah, so this d-bag's back again to tell us all how WWE booking actually makes perfect sense, and it's all of us who're mistaken. Is this going to be a monthly occurrence, right after the PPVs?

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  92. Yes, because I'm thinking logically and putting the storyline first. Sure, I like good wrestling like the rest of y'all, but I also enjoy the character of John Laurinaitis and how from the first moment we saw him he was trying usurp the whole corporate side of WWE. Everyone hates him, everyone wants to see him get what's coming to him, and it's going to happen, but you guys gotta be patient. This is a television show and the longer the villain reigns over the heroes, the sweeter the outcome is.

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  93. Agreed, what the fuck happened?  Charlie all of a sudden is kinda...I dunno...normal?

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  94. Yes, it appears it will be.

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  95. I dont understand why ppl keep bitchign about Cena being in the Main Event. The guy could wrestle a parapalegic (sp?) midget and still outdraw Punk. It sucks for Punk, but the truth is John Cena is the WWE

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  96. PS. Anyone see the distraught look on the face of that 40 yr old 400 lb Cena fan after Show turned on him?? Best part of the ppv imo!

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  97. I actually quite like this, and I would agree with this point except to say that one of the biggest parts of the storyline last night was that the board had taken away John's powers to dictate the matches and everything that went on in them, including choosing referees, setting stipulations, etc. If that is true, why would they allow him to book himself as the main event over the most prestigious title in the company? Taking your example to the next logical place, it doesn't make any sense. They would have insisted the legitimate main event went on last, and, according the angle, that is what would have happened. 

    Outside that, I have no problem with your example at all. I actually enjoy Laurinaitis' character as well and have no issue with him on the top of the bad guy heap.

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  98.  Because the only reason people believe Cena is more important than everyone else (and the WWE tittle) is because the WWE tells them so.  o course Cena out draws punk.  the crowds been conditioned to believe Punk shouldn't be in the main event over Cena, and that the WWE championship is worthless compared to Cena

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  99. I can hear them in my head using that exact dialogue. Aside from the Ross/Lawler tandem in the Attitude Era, it's tough to touch Gorilla with Jesse or the Brain.

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  100. Who said it had to be the WWE title? If its the WHC it gives it a bit more prestige for Show to want it that bad and I don't think Show and Sheamus would be terrible against each other.

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  101. Earlier in the Bryan/Punk match there was a perfect opportunity for Bryan to do "I have till 5" and it made me wonder why he's never busted it out in WWE.  It was way over in ROH, and it seems like the kind of thing the fans would eat up.  I wonder if he just doesn't want to rely on old tricks.  At any rate, when the ref started loudly counting on the figure-four, I saw the look on Punks face and I just knew he was going to say it and mock Bryan.  Needless to say I experienced a brief markgasm when that was exactly what happened.

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  102. Hell, same thing happened for Goldberg himself. He wasn't over overnight. 

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  103.  I haven't watched the PPV so I didn't know they've stripped away things from him.

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  104. remember the night after tlc where the main event had punk bryan n ryder in a tag that tanked ratings wise?? Punk has had the chance to draw and just simply hasnt since mitb. I do blame HHH and the booking committe alot for cooling his momentum, but the man has had the title for a long time now and is in the midcard?? Vince knows who draws and appropriately main events them.

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  105. SasukespecialmanMay 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Hey! Remember that PPV in February that completely tanked with some guy named John Somethingerother. Boy! Good thing that guy isn't around anymore to make the buyrates go drastic down! Oh! Hey, and remember those 2 guys, Shawn Whodunit and the Undertaker (what? his name isn't much good for this sort of thing...) who main evented and produced the lowest Wrestlemania buyrate in recent memory and yet still were part of the most (or second most) hyped match at this years Mania and get a big, dramatic sendoff? And yet, your argument for months of Punk getting shoved in the midcard is ONE bad RAW rating? Just because that is the WWE's logic doesn't mean it makes any sense. Please, don't lower yourself to such a level...

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  106. Yeah, I'm sure people being told by Michael Cole that all of the guys in the main event were losers (despite all being top title holders) didn't have an effect or anything.

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  107.  He did it at Extreme Rules last month.

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  108. Bullshit, everyone cares about Johnny Ace, they've built him up a s a great heel and countfold to Cena... actually Ace doesn't even do anything to be evil, he just acts like a boss and gets shit for it. The only thing that he did that could be considered evil is beating the shit out John Cena but Cena was being a bitch about "fighting" Brock Lesnar so he fucking deserved it. John gets great heat and I fucking love his character.  

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