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Ranting and Raven

Hey Scott,

     I was wondering if you can give me your take on a couple wrestling thoughts I've had for a while.  I'd really appreciate it.  Any ways, first question: Do you think WCW dropped the ball on Raven as far as not pushing him enough and maximizing the most out of his potential when he was at his peak?  Or was it problems outside the ring that derailed him?  His "What about me? What about Raven?" gimmick drew great heel heat and it led to some quality programs with DDP and Benoit.  But as soon as he dropped the U.S. Title to Goldberg, his career fizzled and he never really got a chance to bounce back as a serious player even though his loss to Goldberg wasn't a total squash (it was Goldberg's longest match at that point).  Even when WWE brought him over after, he was relegated to the Hardcore crap but at that point, he didn't seem to care about the business anymore.

     Next question which you've probably been asked but I'd like to know: Why didn't Owen Hart resign from WWE after what they did to Bret at Montreal?  I mean, not to pass judgement on someone who passed away but if I were Owen then, I would want to support my brother and wouldn't stand for what Vince did to him.  Maybe he tried but Bret talked him out of it?  Even so, I'd still resign and jump to WCW with him.  I'm sure WCW would've relished the thought of getting both Harts.  With that in mind, how do you think WCW would've (mis)used Owen? At the very least, they wouldn't have sent him to his eventual death. 

     Last question, any chance Vince Russo comes back to WWE in some capacity? Not that I would be in favor of that but stranger things have happened, right?  What would you say has a better shot of happening, that or Savage going to the HOF?

1.  Well, I mean, the problem with Raven of course was that pushing him was a dangerous proposition.  The guy suffered from serious mental issues (bipolar disorder and depression to name two) as well as a serious drinking problem and enough drugs to where even other guys in ECW would be like “Whoa, that dude does a lot of shit.”  That’s a lot of risk with not a lot of potential reward.  Heyman at least knew how to harness his evil and keep up under control, but the other two did not.  So I would say that making him US champion for a bit was pretty much as high as they could reasonably be expected to go with him in case he turned up dead at the bottom of a river one random day.  By the time he got to WWE he was even more broken down and was basically a small guy trying to compete with roided superheavyweights.  Today, yeah, that Raven would do fine, but even back in 2001 he just wasn’t going to break through that level, even with the lifts in his boots. 

2.  Owen did try very hard to escape his contract, but Vince wouldn’t let him out of it.  Owen would have had to quit, pay a huge penalty for breaking the deal, and then sit for the 90 day no-compete, and he was willing to do all that.  Bret did in fact talk him out of quitting and costing himself all that money, and Vince also made promises of a World title program against Shawn Michaels and a huge push.  Of course, neither promise was worth anything.  Bret later said that he regrets talking Owen out of quitting, and I have to agree.  Even if Owen had retired to escape the contract and pursued his teaching career or firefighting, he could have always come back later. 

3.  McMahon was apparently willing to do business with Russo shortly before he signed with TNA in 2002, and even bought out his WCW contract to do so, but it was an incredibly limited and edited role and he basically got himself fired for pitching the most ridiculously stupid and expensive idea ever devised.  Basically Russo suggested a main event stable of Steve Austin, the Rock, Undertaker, Mick Foley and a whole bunch of other A-level guys, some of whom would have to be signed to big money deals to do business with them, and it was such a dumb idea that McMahon fired him more or less on the spot.  Thus, he was out of his contract and free to negotiate with TNA.  Now, some have speculated that he deliberately sabotaged his own career so he could get the WWE to break their contract voluntarily and leave him free to go elsewhere, but he’s never seemed that devious to me.  Plus the idea as described at the time sounded eerily similar to the eventual Main Event Mafia storyline we got in TNA years later.  Now obviously Russo couldn’t come out and say “I sabotaged my own career to break a contract” because Vince McMahon is the kind of guy who would still harbor a grudge and sue over it, so you’re kind of left to judge for yourself.  That being said, if McMahon was willing to hire him after the way he left in 99, I see no reason why he wouldn’t do so again.  Everything old is new again, Russo included. 

Comments

  1. I think Raven's biggest problem was jumping to WCW instead of the WWF in '97.  Yeah, Vince was never a fan of the guy due to his corrupting Shane in the early '90s, but it was probably something he would've gotten over since he's done just that with everybody else who has ever crossed him.  Had Raven jumped, I think '98 would've been a lot different.  You had Russo pretty blatantly cribbing from Raven's ECW run with the Ministry stuff by turning Taker into a gothed out version of Raven.  So it stands to reason that had Russo had the real thing Raven might have gotten a sizable push out of it.

    In fact, I'm amazed a lot of ECW guys didn't try to jump to the WWF in '97.  RVD is the one that really blows my mind.  It's pretty clear the WWF had an interest in the guy.  He was pretty heavily featured in their Light Heavyweight Title tournament and was positioned as an ally to Lawler, but he just sort of disappeared and went back to ECW until it folded.

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  2. Raven's WCW run was one of my favorite midcard to upper-midcard periods for a guy in wrestling.  I had no access to ECW outside of Barely Legal, so I had pretty much only heard about him at that point and I was pretty much sold on the idea that he was awesome based on his stuff on that PPV, so I was pretty excited when he signed up.  WCW was sorely lacking in heels that had an edge to them that weren't in the NWO at that time, so it was a refreshing addition to the roster, plus he had a bunch of really good to great matches.  I think my favorite was his Halloween Havoc 1998 match against Chris Jericho, but he also had a great match with Benoit at Souled Out 1998 and several against DDP that were a lot of fun and of course the Goldberg match which had awesome booking and made Goldberg look like a million bucks.

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  3. I absolutely think they should hire Russo. But only have book NXT and lower mid card guys on Raw and Smackdown. One of my main problems with WWE is that outside of 6 guys, no one has a character or direction. Russo, even with all of his faults, would fix that.

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  4. If WWE signs Raven I wonder what happens to Edge? It's pretty clear that Edge was supposed to be a WWE version of Raven. Who knows how they bring him in if Raven is already there. Pretty interesting what if.

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  5. On Raven's WCW run:

    If I were booking WCW I would have kept the Wolfpack as Nash, Sting, and Savage only. Maybe add Benoit & Guerrero later as they were coming into their own. As a main event group, they would have been faces, feuding with the old guard of Hogan, Hall, Stevie Ray, Hennig, Bret Hart etc. in nWo black & white. If you want to continue to push neutral WCW stars like DDP and Goldberg (of course you would) you can keep the Wolfpack more of a tweener to heelish group but theyd still get big 'cool heel' face pops.

    Yeah Nash and Savage were old but it could easily have been believable that they were trying to escape Hogan's shadow since they had to sacrifice their careers for Hogan to reap the success in the early nWo. As stupid as we think it was, that being the whole color-of-t-shirts-feud between the NWOs, it was very hot at the time and I would venture to say that along with Goldberg, was WCWs last hot program. Its at least when I remember I stopped watching, with the fingerpoke of doom being a catalyst.

    Therefore Luger is the odd man out. For whatever reasons Luger was still over as a semi legit main eventer at times and got loud pops as late as 1997. Just look at the pop he gets when he upends Hogan on the first 3 hour Nitro. I would have Raven team with Luger after he falls on hard times and isnt allowed to join the Wolfpack. He loses to Sting maybe and stops believing in himself. Him being of a feeble mind, he joins with the devious Raven and they win the tag titles. There could be all kinds of fun stuff here with Raven brainwashing Luger, telling him what to do in the ring, and basically having him fight his battles for him. Sting could even stand up for Luger out of the pity for what has become of him (a caricature of himself) and he's preoccupied to the point that theres tension between he and the Wolfpack, and there's weeks of storylines right there.

    I think its a great use of the 2 talents natural personalities/abilities and its better than whatever Raven and Luger did after the heat of their characters wore off. Then again, WCW's talent pool dwarfed WWF at the time and Raven is surely just one of many misuses of talents, but theres a few things you could do with him just because he was such a convincing sick mind.

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  6.  Never thought of it that way, but I can buy that when recalling Edge & Gangrels original brood gimmick. Very interesting 'what-if?'

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  7. I echo all of that. The Raven-DDP program has been shitted on by Scott (probably rightfully so) in hindsight because it was just a rip off of better stuff Raven was doing in ECW. But for those of us who didnt get ECW it was at least interesting and a change of pace in the upper midcard scene.

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  8. "Even when WWE brought him over after, he was relegated to the
    Hardcore crap but at that point, he didn't seem to care about the
    business anymore."

    that implies that he never came back to care again which to me seems wrong. some of the stuff in TNA and the independents (his ROH feud with Punk instantly comes to mind) looked like he was still (or at least: again) motivated.

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  9. I don't think Russo sabotaged his WWE deal to go work for a small time wrestling promotion with no TV deal. No matter the circumstances, the statute of limitations is up, and McMahon would not be able to sue Russo if he did admit to doing this.

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  10. Raven: I never thought he was too small (same size as Bret Hart I think). He looked not so bad in the hardcore match against Kane and Big Show at WMX7 and a feud with a new flock against the Undertaker could have worked. He could have turned him again to the dark side or so.

    Russo: I think the Main Event Mafia was one of the best things TNA ever did and the ratings weren't that bad either. They should have even reformed the Stable together with Hogan when they went on monday. Can you imagine a Stable with Hogan, Nash, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Kurt Angle and Sting? The nWo would have been nothing against it - aside from that it would have been basically the nWo Wolfpack...

    I don't think that it would have been worked with Austin, Rock, Mankind and Undertaker, because their characters were so different. 

    But how could a WWE Main Event Mafia made today? Who would be in there? Cena, Orton... but then? CM Punk...?...Jericho..?..Big Show...?... Kane...?...Sheamus...?....Mark Henry?...Daniel Bryan? It does not look so good for WWE..

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  11. The vignettes for Edge are still impressive (eg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMVCKKKdM8 )

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  12. Cena,Orton, Rhodes, Ziggler, Show, and I think Punk would work. 

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  13. I remember hearing that one of Russo's ideas when he returned to WWF for a cup of coffee in 2002 was that The Rock's character become a homosexual.

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  14. oh boy. Heidenreich. So many thoughts. 

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  15. Cena, Orton, Triple H and Show wouldn't be a bad start, throw in Punk and maybe Sheamus and you'd be golden.

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  16. That wouldn't be a "Main Event Mafia" but more a "Midcard Mafia". It would be a great stable though, but the MEM thing was to put the biggest stars together. More like Cena, Orton, Rock, Brock, HHH, HBK and Undertaker or so. Problem is, that most of them are part timer...

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  17. Actually I think I could like the combination of Cena, Orton, HHH and Big Show. They could add Shawn Michaels and Kevin Nash. :);)

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  18. Wasn't the famous vince quote when the Invasion started, "who the F*CK hired Raven?" Raven and Rhyno had a really good PPV opener during his run.

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  19. My understanding was that Russo laid out a plan for a reboot of the Invasion storyline. This time doing it right with Goldberg, Steiner, Flair, and some other big money guys. He came into the meeting laid out a years worth of characters and storylines and was then sent home, reduced to a consultant role. I also understand that the reason McMahon did business with him was a planned tell all book that Russo was working on. Russo agreed not to release it due to being signed by WWE. A rather expensive cup of coffee for McMahon indeed.

    Personally I think much of Russo's booking, if properly controlled, would work well in today's WWE. I really miss some of the swerves, and shocking heel turns that made the 90's so fun.

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  20. 98-99 WWF Everybody had something to do.

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  21. I prefer the version in my head...''Russo's just a fucking idiot and they fired him a day after hiring him when they realised this''

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  22. Scott, wasn't that Russo story in your "One Ring Circus" book? The way it was read, it was an idea so insane that Russo HAD to have cooked it up to be instantly fired so he could work in TNA. The sad thing is, you were right in that Vince brought in all the guys Russo wanted and used them less effectively than he would have.

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  23. I always loved the Raven character.  Just looking at him and the way he carried himself, you got the sense of a guy who didn't care about himself.  He was in wrestling to hurt and control others, and didn't always care about winning or losing.  I always thought he was the less cartoonish version of what Mankind was in the WWF - a guy who could get into his opponent's head and threaten them psychologically as well as physically.

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  24. what? who wouldn't choose Punk and Bryan over Hogan and Nash?

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  25. and when did that ever work? you need some of your biggest stars to be NOT included in that group. otherwise you have no credible opponents.

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  26. Actually...yes. He's not totally worthless, I mean he found something for Sean Morley to do after all. Just keep him FAR AWAY from the upper tier programs. And then fire him the instant he says "no one cares about the actual matches..."

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  27. I think it worked in TNA. It was the first times, when I think that there was somethin big happening and it seemed important.

    Yes one problem is, that there might be not enough credible opponents. BUT 1. the stable itself will draw big time AND 2. ANYONE who will feud against it, will be elevated to a new level.

    If they could make a stable of nobodies like Nexus to a legit threat, then the other way round should work too. 

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  28. Will you target the ROH or the casual fan? Ok, today Hogan is a little bit too old, but I think Punk and Bryan are not yet on a "Main Event Mafia Level". 

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  29. Raven/Goldberg= My favorite Nitro match.

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  30. It works if they put their opponents over.

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  31. Christopher HirschMay 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    What's this Raven corrupting Shane business?

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  32. I personally think that the WWE dropped the ball on Raven. In my arm-chair booking phaze, I had a can't miss angle for Raven. Forgive me if my timeline is off, as i wasnt watching wrestling as much due to job. It was around the time Raven was "banished" to heat. For a brief time, he was kissing up to the Biker-rtaker. I would have had him kiss up to Undertaker to and have undertaker use his juice to get him back on Raw. Little by little, have Raven try to upstage Undertaker. There was a ladder match with Undertaker and Jeff Hardy around the same time and after the match, the undertaker basically gave Jeff the respect handshake. This would drive Raven insane, who would have working in cahoots with Kane, teaching him how to talk (remember that?) Raven would ultimately form a group including Kane, Matt and Jeff Hardy and Lita. They would have took out undertaker, which would have allowed undertaker to come back in old-school 'taker form at wrestlemania

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  33. Yeah that's a good point.  There was definitely some ripping off of ECW concepts and some spots being done (the cardboard covered 'Stop' sign jumps to mind). 

    It would have been interesting to see if he'd gone to the WWF if that wouldn't have flown with a lot of crowds in the Northeast had he gone to the WWF, due to the exposure he had in that area.  On the other hand, I do think this "the WCW had mostly southern fans, so that's why angle x worked/didn't work" theory becomes less reliable once you get to the latter half of the 1990s as they were doing strong business and tours all over the country by then -- so it may have gotten over anywhere based on ECW's fairly limited television penetration.

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  34. The 12 year old me marked for this match. I always (and still do) prefer heel characters. Me and my best friend at the time kept saying that Raven should give Goldberg his first lost by taking the spear and turning it into the even flow for the pin. I guess my armchair booking wouldnt have been a profitable one, but neither was GIVING HOGAN AND GOLDBERG AWAY FOR FREE (sorry for the caps, but it needed to be stressed).

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  35. "Quoth the Raven United States Champion Forevermore!"

    - Pre match Promo

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  36. I always felt he was at his best when he was Johnny Polo. To hell with the Raven character.

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  37.  LOL.  Sometimes it is just more simple to think of it that way.

    Although sometimes that's how these stories get simplified down to the point where they make it look like one guy was 100% in the right and another guy was 100% in the wrong.  The Warrior/Vince saga is a good example, where every detail is sanded away until the story becomes that Warrior was practically holding a gun to St. McMahon's head and holding him up unexpectedly for the net worth of the WWF. 

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  38. I liked that program, especially this one promo that Raven did about how Jake Roberts had mentored both him and DDP.

    "But the Snake...he gave me the DDT"...

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  39. Bryan maybe, but Punk's not? He's the #2 full-timer in the company right now. If Angle, Booker, and Steiner are on that level, so's Punk. He's been booked stronger during his current title reign than any of them ever were.

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  40. Dave Lagana said in an interview that Russo came into his first meeting when he signed back and wanted to vacate all of the titles like he did in WCW, then after Russo pitched his idea he left to go tend to some other business.  When McMahon asked what Russo said, Lagana said the writers told him his idea and said it was the exact same thing Russo did in WCW.  After that Russo was offered a lesser role and declined to take that role.

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  41. Wow, that would have been an awesome spot visually -- the spear countered with the DDT.  Very cool idea, I guess you could have it be that both guys are knocked out after it too (since they each took each others finisher)

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  42.  I did post this pretty recently, but for those who missed it since we're on the topic, here is that match and all the pre-match buildup and such:

    http://youtu.be/VgVNscmCXHk

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  43. I agree 100%. Johnny Polo was awesome!

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  44. The thing I liked about Russo's booking is that, for better or worse, stuff happened. Sometimes too much, mind you, but if I stopped watching for two months things would be somewhat different when I started to watch again. Now, if I could disappear for a year and come back to face Kofi feuding with heel Dolph over a midcard title and Cena doing the exact some promo/angle he always does.

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  45. Am I the only one who didn't like Raven?

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  46.  Good point -- Just watch Warrior's tribute to Randy Savage and you'll see a guy with a lot of substance -- Warrior played a role that seemed to get away from him at times but is a pretty intelligent guy -- McMahon, on the other hand, always seems in character, even when he's supposedly not trying to be...

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  47. Yeah, I remembering going nuts when he won the US title from DDP the night before, but than immediately brainstorming on how Raven can reasonably retain against Goldberg and thats what I came up with. Your way would have made the match that much more awesome. Lodi w. the Stop Sign FTMFW!

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  48. I liked his gait as he would prance around the ring at the time. Wow Im a Scott Levy Mark.

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  49. Love Raven, hell of a underrated worker. The Spring Stampede tag match is my second favourite WCW match ever behind Rey/Eddy. In 98 he was on fire, he had the best match on the card at Souled Out with Benoit, at Uncensored with Page and Benoit, at Fall Brawl with Saturn and at Halloween Havoc with Jericho, and of course there was the Goldberg match on Nitro.  

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  50. Also loved the skit he did with Kanyon about his rich parents and all the sick cars and clothes. "What about me?, What about Raven?"

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  51. When Raven was Johnny Polo supposedly he introduced a young Shane McMahon the joys of nightclubs, easy women, and ecstasy.

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  52. Christopher HirschMay 4, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    I was pretty meh about him. He received a lot of hype coming from ECW. He was entertaining enough, but I think he reached an appropriate level based on his talents.

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  53. also....he did the drop toe hold onto the steel chair. greatest. move. ever.

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  54. I always wished he would've gone the Mick Foley route with multiple personalities. Also, Polo's commentary on the Shawn/Marty cage match is hilarious, riffing on The Doors, Shawn's chubby physique, just too funny. 

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  55. As I get older, I find I enjoy the cartoonish heels more and more.  So I'm actually beginning to prefer his work as Johnny Polo.

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  56. I don't entirely buy this.  I grew up about an hour and a half from Philly.  WCW regularly ran shows there.  They didn't venture much farther north, but they ran Philly/Jersey/DC on a consistent enough basis that I think a large portion of their audience probably already knew who Raven was, or had at least heard of him.

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  57. I was pissed Scott rated that match at only ****1/4 in the recent Scott Says. The Spring Stampede tag match was a WCW classic. I suggest he re-watch it. Raven was a huge part of WCW's non nWo midcard.

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  58.  I like the idea of Kane, Hardyz, & Lita being Raven's new Flock. At that time all of those guys needed someone to do promos for them, and Raven, honestly, needed someone to do more of the actual matches. That would have worked really well. In general it's kind of sad that we never got to see Raven have any interaction with Taker & Kane beyond the random X7 match, that seemed like a given.

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  59. Raven was so phenomenally over in 1998. Just amazingly over. I liked his matches and LOVED his promos. WCW should've taken a chance on him as a main event player, in my opinion. He was no more of a risk than Hall.

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  60. Does anybody else remember a strange segment in either 2001 or 2002 where Raven was talking to Steve Austin outside the building on Raw? It was really interesting, but it never went anywhere.

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  61. I agree, WCW seemed to have a pretty strong presence in Philadelphia in particular (some PPVs there even in the lean days, many Nitros at the Spectrum, etc) so I imagine Raven would have been over there no matter what.

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  62. Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong, in the wrestling world, Warrior deserves some of the flack he gets for being hard to work with, but it does irritate me somewhat how a lot of people are willing to wash away all the details of a situation in order to throw somebody under the bus just because they don't like them or get along with them.  A lot of wrestling people (maybe understandably given the nature of the business) seem to project the bad guy / good guy roles of the wrestling world onto their personal relationships, something even the Warrior himself is guilty of in reality.

    However, having read the back story of the Vince/Warrior stuff leading up to Summer Slam in the context of when it actually occurred and the court case between them, it appears Vince was in the wrong just as much as the Warrior, basically talking out of both sides of his mouth the way he sometimes does with wrestlers, making verbal deals with them when he has no intentions of honoring them.

    And I agree, Warrior's tribute to Savage was fantastic.

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  63. Holy shit this.

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  64. I missed most of his Johnny Polo period as I stopped watching for awhile there, but I do have a few CHV where he is a commentator and he was quite good, I thought him and Gorilla had a funky chemistry together.

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  65.  I remember the first time I saw him do that spot, I just about came out of my chair.  It just looked so brutal -- as long as the guy taking it (often Raven himself) can get his hands up as late as possible and sell it by flinging the chair halfway across the ring, it looks absolutely vicious.

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  66. The whole Raven/Saturn VS Benoit/Malenko VS Rey/Kidman era was fantastic, and created some of my favorite matches. Spring Stampede was awesome, as was the triangle tag match.

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  67. I cannot stand Russo as a writer...I'm really not even a fan of the Attitude Era. That said, there were some things he did right. Giving everyone a storyline was one of them. Nowadays their idea of storylines for almost anyone other than a main eventer (and even for some of them) is rarr for some reason I am fighting you. It's wrestling, there's nothing wrong with that sometimes, but when the storylines aren't any more interesting than that, wins/losses barely mean anything and they're usually 50/50 anyway, it's no wonder guys have trouble getting over and staying over.

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  68. Yeah the more we discuss it, the more I wish he would have got a little run at the time, selfish as that idea may be given his apparent mental health at the time haha. 

    One of the issues with a lot of the WCW mid-carders was that they were good in the ring, but not great on the mic (or just inexperienced) so it was always going to be hard for them to have a long-term feud with many of the top guys who were good on the mic.  Raven was decent in the ring and great on the mic though and he could lay out a match for maximum effect too, so I have no doubt that he would have had better matches with the 'past their prime' guys on top than they were having with each other.

    The feud I always wanted to see was a feud with Bret.  They certainly had the occasion to pull that off too, since both guys were often on Thunder and since there seemed to be no real stable place for Bret at the top of the WCW card.

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  69. Would have been a great visual spot. Even if Goldberg was still winning, it'd be a great near fall.

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  70.  I also envisioned Raven countering the spear with the jackhammer, in anticipation of the big match.

    The fans "are bringing Raven back to the ring! They paid and want to see this thing!" So hokey and so great at the same time.

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  71.  I guess I'm in the minority but I never enjoyed Johnny Polo. He was so obnoxious, he was Michael Cole-level commentator to me. Raven was a great change of character.

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  72. I don't think he was talking about a lawsuit, more about the fact that maybe someday Russo would like the opportunity to not be on Vince McMahon's bad side, whether he wants to get rehired, wants to "consult" with them, or something else.

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  73. I agree. I can't stand Russo as a writer, personally, but there were some things he did right and that was one of them.

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  74. I do agree that almost any kind of shit-stirrer would be good. But here's the thing--there's better people that Russo available for that job. Heck, the WWE writers themselves are probably better than what we see on the air. None of it matters if Steph and Vince are still running the place.

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  75. That main event pitch definitely screams Main Event Mafia. 

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  76. Nah, Scott mentioned Vince being the type of guy who would harbor a grudge and sue.

    I agree with you tho, no sense in purposely burning a bridge by admitting to that if it is true.

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  77. Reason I chose them is because it's a nice group of Vets and Young guys. Granted, probably Cena wouldn't be in the stable he'd be their main  target. 

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  78. I remember that when Raven came into the WWF Kane had started feuding with Undertaker again and was desperately in need of a new direction.  I thought for sure Raven would be Kane's puppet master and it would be awesome.  Instead, they threw him into the Tazz/Lawler angle for no apparent reason and made him and Tazz a purposeless tag team.  Also, for some reason Raven started wearing leiderhausen (?).  The hardcore division was actually a promotion, since he occasionally got to hold the title, but he was never used significantly.  His last real chance to do something was when the ECW guys form their alliance during the invasion and it suddenly seemed possible that guys like Raven and Tazz might be made relevant.  But then they were immediately relegated to jobber status (I remember Angle absolutely destroying Raven on Raw) and that was that.  There were so many possibilities with this character, it's a shame the WWF didn't try to realize any of them.

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  79. Yes! He did a pretty sweet promo for a throwaway moment.

    "It wasn't Debra's family that had the emergency - it was Stone Cold Steve Austin's - in fact, it was Austin himself. Austin can conceal his pain no longer, because from my vantage point, no matter how cleverly he may sneak upon a mirror, his reflection is always right there to stare back at him. And do you know what he sees? He sees a troubled, tortured, tormented soul. I wish I could help him, Coach. But this is his destiny...and I feel his pain. Quote the Raven...nevermore." 

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  80. 1.) Raven was my favorite wrestler at that point. I still believe they could have done the "Three faces of Foley" gimmick with him and the matches would have been much better than the ones Mick put out.
    2.) I wished Owen would have asked Vince to be an agent or something in a backstage capacity.
    3.) Russo is very hit or miss, probablly because he gets overwhelmed. I would have liked to see him book a single division...not the whole roster.

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  81. I LOVED the skit in ECW where he was teamed with Tommy Dreamer and trhe Sandman attacked him:

    "Why did you let the drunk guy hit me, Tommy? I did the right thing"

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  82.  Funny story: I never saw Raven until he came to WCW and when I saw him, my first thought was: "WTF? Raven is Johnny Polo?!?!?!"

    Johnny Polo was IMO just joke and nothing more, while Raven had potential for much more.

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  83. Dirty_Dave_DelaneyMay 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    For some reason the Edge vignettes seem Lost Boys-esque in a way!

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