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July PPV Countdown: The Great American Bash 1992

(2012 Scott sez:  And now…the Bill Watts era.) 

The Netcop Retro Rant for WCW Great American Bash 1992

- Live from Albany, Georgia.

- Your hosts are Tony Schiavone, Magnum TA, Jim Ross and Jesse Ventura.

- Eric Bischoff interviews Bill Watts to start, who defends the "off the top" rule and basically wishes everyone in the NWA tag title tournament good luck.  (Funny that Bill was already on the defensive about his stupid rule changes at this point.) 

- This is very much a special interest show:  It features the NWA World tag team title tournament and a World title match between Sting and Vader, and nothing else.  The first round of the tournament was held at Clash 19 a few weeks previous to this show, and as well Steve Williams and Terry Gordy fought the Steiners in a quarterfinal round match on that same show, which was won by the MVC (Miracle Violence Connection, their Japanese team name.), sending them to the semi-finals on this show.

Opening match: Brian Pillman & Jushin Liger v. Nikita Koloff & Ricky Steamboat. 

Good enough choice for an opener, but it has two distinct portions:  The portion involving Ricky Steamboat (which ROCKS) and the portion involving Nikita Koloff (which SUCKS).  I wish I could have seen Ricky Steamboat v. Jushin Liger before Steamboat retired.  Not much to say about this one, back and forth with good action until Pillman tries a flying bodypress and Steamboat rolls through for the pin.  ***  (Oh yeah, it’s 98 Scott all right.) 

- I should mention that Jim Ross had managed to oust Dusty Rhodes as the booker at this point, so everything is clean no matter how boring it may be.

- The Freebirds v. Hiroshi Hase & Shinya Hashimoto. 

The tape I'm watching cuts out almost the entirety of this match, but it's the Freebirds AND Hashimoto in the same match so it's safe to say it sucked. (Professional wrestling reviewing at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.  Although to be fair this was before the days of Youtube where you could just look something up if you tape cut out.)  The Japanese team shows up later in the night so I guess the 'Birds jobbed here (yay!), which is good because I hate their guts.

- My tape cuts back in just in time for the intros to...

- Rick Rude & Steve Austin v. Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes. 

This would be approaching the zenith of the Windham-Rhodes team.  The Dangerous Alliance was in decline, as Rude spent all his time with Austin and Madusa instead of Paul E.  Decent enough match, everyone was pretty much at the top of their game at this point.  Rude even pulls off a top-rope dropkick!  Interesting note:  Rude is US champion and Austin is TV champion at this point.  Rude lost his belt to Dustin Rhodes and Austin lost his to Barry Windham (albeit briefly and before this match).  Life is funny sometimes, no?  Long headlock sequence in the middle really kills this one.  Hot tag to Dustin, who cleans house.  Austin tries a piledriver on Windham, but Rhodes is the legal man and comes off the top with a clothesline for the pin on Austin.  ***  Lots of goofy graphical effects interject themselves for some reason.  (I saw this one a few years ago on 24/7 or Vintage Collection or something, and it’s pretty badass, like ***1/2 – ***3/4)

- Bischoff interviews the Van They Call Vader and Harley Race, in preparation for Sting.

- Semifinal #1:  Nikita Koloff & Ricky Steamboat v. The Miracle Violence Connection. 

Williams & Gordy were in the midst of the monster push of a lifetime here, and had recently beaten the Steiners to win the WCW World tag titles.  Bill Watts just LOVED these two.  (Who didn’t really?  You put Steve Williams and Terry Gordy together and get them to beat the piss out of people, what’s not to love?)  Extended armbar here. The crowd dies here and never really gets back into it for the rest of the night.  Mat wrestling exhibition.  This is why WCW fired Jim Ross as a booker in the first place.  (To be fair, I don’t think Ross ever had THAT much power, since Watts was really the main decision maker.  JR certainly had his ear, though.)  Really long and dull match.  Blame WCW for the onset of 6 match PPVs, as this one goes about 20 minutes plus. Semi-hot ending has Steamboat going for the bodypress, but Gordy pushes him off, into the arms of Dr. Death, who Stampedes him for the academic pin.  **  (Another one I saw later where I short-shrifted the original viewing.  Outside of the dull middle portion, this was a hell of a tag match, again a ***1/2 affair.) 

- Semifinal #2:  Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes v. Shinya Hashimoto & Hiroshi Hase. 

Man, this is a no-nonsense PPV.  Just bang-bang-bang, one match after another.  (Wrestling is SERIOUS.  No fancy stuff!)  The arena is so dark it looks like Hardcore Heaven.  Dustin v. Shinya is the closest the world ever got to Dustin fighting his father.  (I don’t know what Shinya Hashimoto did to piss me off.)  Bad match which gets marginally better when Hase is in.  Hot tag to Windham about 15 minutes in, who beats up Hase and then nails the lariat for the pin.  *1/2

- Tony & Magnum interview Ron Simmons.

- WCW World title match:  Sting v. Big Van Vader. 

Vader still has that goofy helmet.  Setup:  Vader splashed and destroyed Sting in the Omni a few months ago.  Big staredown to start.  This is match #2 in a series of about 40,000, the last of which occurs at Fall Brawl 94 to quietly end one of the longest running feuds in wrestling.  This is like the prologue in a long novel, as Sting has yet to really meet Vader in a meaningful match and doesn't realize what he's getting into.  Sting starts out smart, sticking and moving fast, but gets dumb and never recovers.  Vader crushes him.  He even puts Sting in the Scorpion Deathlock at one point.  Vader is mauling Sting like a grizzly, with stiff rights and clotheslines.  Sting makes a comeback, but it takes as much out of him as it does Vader, and Sting isn't in great shape here to begin with.  Sting hits a fallaway slam, but it takes forever for him to execute and you can tell he's out of gas and the end is near for him. German suplex (barely) for 2, Stinger splash, and again, but Vader drops down on the second one and Sting slams his head into the ringpost.  He's bleeding and is a walking dead man and everyone can just feel it.  He takes a couple of big shots at Vader, but he just casually steps aside and Sting falls flat on his face and stays there.  Vader picks him up and powerbombs him, but it's just a formality because Sting wasn't getting up to begin with.  The three count is academic.  Vader claims his first WCW World title, and the crowd is in SHOCK.  ****1/4  This is one of the best fucking matches I've ever seen.  Vader just absolutely dismantled Sting here, and Sting's gotta be the biggest company man ever, because he did the mega-job, getting the crap kicked out of him for the cause of putting Vader over BIGTIME.  This is the match that *made* Vader.  (That’s how wrestling used to work, yes.  A big star puts over a guy who they want to be a big star and makes him into a big star too, and then they fight again for EVEN BIGGER MONEY.  Like Chael Sonnen v. Anderson Silva II.  I think Aries-Roode should rip off the finish from the first Silva-Sonnen fight, with Aries beating the hell out of Roode for 15 minutes before getting trapped in a triangle choke.) 

- Bischoff interviews the new champ.

- NWA World tag team title final:  Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes v. Steve Williams & Terry Gordy. 

Ole Anderson is the referee here, proving if anything that there *is* a job he can do worse than booking.  (High five!  Anyone?) I always thought the NWA tag titles looked better than the WCW ones.  The Steiners come down to ringside, but get chased off by WCW security.  I can appreciate the attempts from Ross & Watts to push mat wrestling, but it's sooooo boring to sit through it.  Crowd is dead silent throughout after that last match basically ripped out their heart.  Eyebrow-raising moment:  Mongo's name gets dropped in reference to Steve Williams' football career.  This is a slow, deliberate match which is 99.99% controlled by the MVC.  Headlock, armbar, submission moves...just about as basic as you get.  Dustin makes a hot tag to Windham, who immediately gets caught in a headlock and becomes the Face in Peril in Rhodes' place.  Hot tag #2 to Rhodes, who becomes Face In Peril in Windham's place.  God forbid the crowd should be excited about anything here. Windham never gets hot tag #3, as Williams goes for the Oklahoma Stampede, but Windham comes in and dropkicks Rhodes on top.  (If I were booking it, that'd be the ending right there...underdog win and poetic justice in one.)  Williams easily kicks out, however, ruining the fans' night by ripping Rhodes' head off with a clothesline and pinning him to become the first and last NWA World tag team champions, unifying them with the WCW version right out of the gate.  *1/2

The Bottom Line:

Aside from Vader-Sting, this was an utterly pointless waste of time. The MVC were already WCW World champions at this point, there was no need to put the NWA World titles on them as well!  Let a babyface team take them, like the Steiners, and then build to a big unification match. (I was just going to say that!  Thanks, 1998 Scott.)  Instead, we get boring MVC win after win, as they take out everyone and capture all the gold in one night and send the fans home bored and unhappy.  Wrestling is not a sport to watch the better team win with superior athleticism.  In the real world, Williams & Gordy were the best team in the field and would have won with solid mat wrestling, true.  In the wrestling world, however, the better team rarely wins, and even more rarely with mat wrestling.  The Steiners should have won this tournament to set up the big blowoff between them and the MVC that Ross was pushing all night.  It never happened. Wrestling is not the real world, and when it tries to be the results are a dull show like Bash 92.  For Bill Watts/Jim Ross wrestling "purists" however, I'm sure this show is exactly what anti-screwjob factions are screaming for.  If nothing else, I'd like to warn y'all that clean, basic mat wrestling is generally boring as hell.  As an interesting note, Williams & Gordy went on to lose the "Unfied" titles to Windham and Rhodes, the very team they beat to unify it.  (The cat burglar has been caught by the very person who was trying to catch him!) 

Recommended for Sting-Vader, but not really much else unless you're a big MVC fan.  (Don’t be a hater, 1998 Scott.  There was some SWANK tag team wrestling on this show and I’ll take a three-hour PPV of clean finishes and basic wrestling these days seven days a week and twice on Sunday.  This is another one I wanna YouTu…er, I mean, watch when a legal WWE authorized DVD copy comes out…and see if it the show looks any different to me now.) 

Comments

  1. Yeah, this is one of the better WCW cards from this period, and probably top three, period, when it comes to Great American Bashes. Track this one down and do a re-review.

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  2. That Sting/Vader match is awesome, one of the worst ass-whoopins' I've ever seen. One of the few times you'll see Sting blade too, in fact I can't can't think of another match off the top of my head where he juiced.

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  3. I don't care what anybody says...THIS is what I wish wrestling still was.

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  4. I like the Sting vs. Vader match from this show more than the other matches they had together, and their other ones were also very good to excellent.

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  5. If you want to watch the show from start to finish, try Dailymotion.com

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  6. http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xlmsz_hbkslush_1992-great-american-bash/1#video=x3enz1

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  7. These reports makes me want a best of the great American bash 3-disc DVD. We're such a thing to happen, thought we'd be treated to marches from the wwe versions, like The Undertaker v Paul Bearer and Batista V. Ken Kennedy.

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  8. I fell asleep watching this show on two separate occasions years and years apart

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  9.  I doubt we'd ever see a DVD set dedicated to the Great American Bash. Good idea though.

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  10. Given the DVDs they're producing lately, I wouldn't be shocked to see a "Best Of" anything in the future.

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  11. With regards to the top rope rule, Watts said in a shoot interview that he never banned moves from the top rope, he merely made them illegal. His logic being that, if every man and his dog does top rope moves at the drop of a hat then they stop being important. If you make them illegal, then it actually means something when somebody risks going to the top rope. The very act act of climbing the turnbuckles becomes a spot in itself because people are only going to do it if they're going to hit a potential match-ender.

    Of course, that's in hindsight - I don't think anything like that actually happened.

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  12. Seeing the compliments about Sting vs. Vader, I just searched it out on YouTube and it was awesome.

    I didn't get WCW up in Canada until Nitro started getting hot and although I did know who Sting was, I have to say that the guy does not get enough props as one of the greats. He was a solid worker, especially since the guy didn't really have work that hard because he had a great look.

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  13.  I just fired it up on Youtube myself. 

    And man, Vader's entrance music is awful.  Cheesy synth music doesn't quite matc-up with his monser heel persona.

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  14. This was around the time I started getting WCW on TBS, but I didn't get the pay per views.

    I liked how WCW was portrayed as being a sport at this point. I don't mind the over-the-top rule. It's a wrestling match, you're supposed to wrestle in the ring, not throw people over the top rope.

    Like I said in another thread, WCW did a great job of making titles mean something. Here, an entire pay per view is dedicated to crowning new tag team champions, and a lot of established successful single wrestlers are teaming up to chase the championships. 

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  15. http://goo.gl/c4Zlp

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  16.  You may be right.

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  17.  I give it three years before they release a "Best of the WWE's 'Best of' DVDs" DVD.

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  18. "Gets dumb and never recovers" could be the subtitle of a Sting compilation.

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  19. Just looked up that Vader only had the title for 21 days after this and lost it to Ron Simmons. Why would they give Vader such a short reign/

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  20. Watts wanted Ron Simmons, who was a face at the time, as his next champion, and just used Vader as the transitional heel champ. I know it's comical in retrospect, but Vader didn't get his big rep (at least as far as America was concerned) until his big reign through most of '93.

    And Watts had a big hard-on for big black faces who could talk. Much can, and has, been written about that.

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  21. The new rule wasn't about throwing people over the top rope (that was a WCW rule from like the beginning of the promotion until the middle of the Monday Night Wars). The rule that Watts put in place was that a wrestler couldn't come off the top rope for anything. This killed the Light Heavyweight Division and also hurt guys like The Steiners (top rope ddt/bulldog), Ricky Steamboat (top rope body press), Bobby Eaton (top rope leg drop or elbow drop) by taking away their finishers, and tons more by taking away a lot of their high spots. 

    Watts explanation is also stupid, that somebody "risks" something by going up top (getting dq'd), because guys always risk something going to the top because if they miss the move they really get hurt. 

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  22. You don't like Vader's original entrance music??? I always thought it was great. 

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  23. Are we getting a Destination X live thread? Ryan, maybe?

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  24. Just finished watching the title match in preparation for Destination X.

    Holy shit Leon was stiff as fuck. No wonder people were terrified of him. 

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  25. Steamboat v. Savage
    Hart v. Bulldog 
    Hart v. Michaels 
    Hell in the Cell 2.
    Ramon v. Michaels the Ladder match. 
    HHH v. Foley.  

    All the things you've seen on a bunch of other DVDs, remastered! 

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  26.  He was right in that argument with the over-the-top rope-is-a-DQ rule, but the problem was there was no way to do a top rope move sneakily, and most high flying moves were done by faces who wouldn't do an illegal move for a win. I'm sure that with all the back to basics mat wrestling he pushed he really just wanted to ban top rope moves, and now he's being a weasel about it.

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  27. "Austin tries a piledriver on Windham, but Rhodes is the legal man and
    comes off the top with a clothesline for the pin on Austin. "

    So where was the disqualification?  Was there no DQ because it was an NWA match, in which coming off the top rope was okay?

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  28.  That's surprising. I was only about 10 but I can vividly remember watching WCW Pro or whatever would've been on during a weekend afternoon when they showed how Simmons won the title. I remember at the time being shocked that he was able to beat Vader because Vader seemed unbeatable. I must have assumed he had held the title for a long time prior to losing it. As a young kid I really didn't think Vader could be beat - at best I thought Sting could hang with him long enough to squeak out a win.

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  29.  Maybe the thinking was the same as putting the IC Title on before the World Title - decide an important title first, then decide the more important championship.

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  30. It's still real to Bill Watts, dammit!

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  31.  Oh, I didn't know that.

    But if going off the top was a DQ, wouldn't the guy going to the top be sacrificing the match if he hits the move? It's not the usual high risk theory - big pay off if you hit it, you're fucked if you don't. You either miss it and you're fucked, or hit it and you lose?

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  32.  I was thinking the same, thought it might've been an overdubbed version or something. But it's the WCW Vader theme I remembered, and I loved it. It suited him.

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  33.  I just watched it to. Great match. It's crazy to see that type of match compared to what we get today. Sting's their top face and champion and he just loses to a monster heel. He was actually dominated at times and it makes Vader a monster. If that happened today Sting would have him beat, get the visual pin, the evil GM would cause a distraction and Vader would hit a low blow and finisher to steal the title. Or cash in MITB. And nobody would understand why Vader isn't being taken seriously.

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  34. I think the rule was you couldn't come off the top on to a prone opponent so bodypresses, clotheslines and dropkicks were still legal.

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  35. I know. They get way too clever. Monster heel mauls face, hero digs down deep and finds way to beat unbeatable monster in rematch. It's so simple and so effective.

    I'm gonna have to go find some of the others on YouTube now.

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  36. You know, I always found it weird that Foley and Michaels talked up how stiff Vader was but Sting, who took him on more times than anyone, never really said anything. And there was never any reports (that I've heard of) of Sting complaining about Vader's style.

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  37. It's like the Mark Henry vs. Randy Orton series of last year. Mark looked dominant in the one match he won the title but then Randy kicked the crap out of him in almost every follow-up (although he didn't win the title).

    When you keep a babyface too strong, there's no suspense during a program.

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  38. There is NOTHING wrong with simplicity.

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  39. Yes, it was explained as all tournament matches being under NWA and not WCW rules.

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  40. Not quite, it was the NWA vs WCW rules thing here, and then later, when the rule was repealed, top rope knee drops to the head of prone opponents (and maybe one one more move) were the only moves still banned.

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  41. I don't have a kayfabe answer for you, but the real life reason is that the NWA Tag belts were of little consequence to most promoters and could basically be used by WCW however they wanted. However, the NWA World title was beholden to the interests of multiple promoters including New Japan and title changes had to be agreed upon by vote just like in olden times. More levels of bureaucracy means more time needed to determine a champion.

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  42. You never heard Sting complain about anything.  For a guy who's been as big a star for so long.  He's done very few 'shoot interviews'. His could potentially be an interesting autobiography.  He was in WCW from day 1 until it folded.  He was there for the UWF merger, the Turner buyout, the Horsemen's big run,  Flair's departure and return, Hogan's arrival, the nWo.  He worked with Steve Austin & Mick Foley 'before they were stars.  Plus he broke into the business with the Ultimate Warrior and was his early tag team partner.  I'm sure he'd have a ton of interesting stories.

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  43. Holy shit you're right, poor Sting, he's so easy to forget about.

    That tell-all would be AMAZING.

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  44. "You never heard Sting complain about anything. He seems like a guy who takes the high road, and doesn't air his dirty laundry in public."

    It's funny because the Sun asked him about the Starrcade ;97 screwjob  (which, if you think about it, would be at least as much of a betrayal as Montreal), and he just said something along the lines of, "Yeah, well, you hear things, but you never know, you know."

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  45. "Watts had a big hard-on for big black faces"

    .... in bed.

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  46. Isn't Watts allegedly racist?

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  47.  Well, one doesn't preclude the other.

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  48.  He was real tight with Ernie Ladd back in the day, and allegedly screwed up his marriage over a black valet.

    The interview that got him shitcanned was less "racist" and more "psychotic libertarian rant".

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  49. Yeah, I never really had an issue with his little talk.  I mean, are we really calling a guy racist because he says that people have the right to kick whoever they want out of their resteraunt?  I thought that there was something a little more...damning.

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  50. I wish I could quit you...

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  51. Sting/Vader: I can watch all day.

    The dynamic fucking works.

    They did it with Orton/Henry and it worked 20 years later. plucky babyface gets dismantled by strongman heel. MADE Henry years after no one cared.

    But i know Im late for this one everyone is talking about A-Double being the world champeen

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  52. That is what a lot has been written about, in both directions.

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  53. Could just be the same thing as stiff worker Greg Valentine said about Tito Santana; that they were able to have great matches because Tito wasn't afraid to get hit hard.  Similarly, stiff worker Steven Regal said that he liked wrestling Chris Benoit  because Benoit would let Regal hit him as hard as he wanted.

    Look, charisma, and skills are important to success, but having an actual pair of testicles doesn't hurt either.

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  54.  As far as I know, he's never really spoken about the Black Scorpion fiasco either., despite the fact that it torpedoed his first title run. 

    And you never hear anyone say anything bad about him - the worst I've heard are the claims that he was out of shape for Starcade '97.  Overall, he seems like a pretty classy guy. 

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  55. "I
    can't tell a fag to get the fuck out. I should have the right to not
    associate with a fag if I don't want to. I mean, why should I have to
    hire a fuckin' fag, if I don't like fags? Fags discriminate against us,
    don't they? Sure they do ... Do blacks discriminate against whites?
    Who's killed more blacks than anyone? The fuckin' blacks. But they want
    to blame that bullshit Roots that came on the air. That Roots was so
    bullshit. All you have to do if you want slaves is to hand beads to the
    chiefs and they gave you slaves. What is the best thing that has ever
    happened to the black race? That they were brought to this country. No
    matter how they got here. You know why? Because they intermarried and
    got educated. They're the ones running the black race.You go down to the
    black countries and they're all broke. Idi Amin killed more blacks than
    we ever killed. You see what I mean. That's how stupid we are." --Bill WattsDoes that fit your definition for "more damning"?

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  56. Yeah...that's pretty bad.

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