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July PPV Countdown: WWF In Your House #16 (Canadian Stampede)

The Netcop Retro Rant for In Your House: Canadian Stampede.

- Me and my big mouth. I make an offhand comment about this being the last great PPV before Wrestlemania XIV for the WWF, and I suddenly get deluged with e-mails asking for the rant on it. I’m not a machine, people. (Yes I am.)  But because I love each and every one of you equally (except CRZ), I figure I’d capitulate to my adoring public and finally do the long-awaited Canadian Stampede rant.

 

But first, the minor details: This was the last PPV to bear the “In Your House” moniker as the primary title and was the last two-hour PPV for the WWF, as all of them from Ground Zero on were given catchy names first and foremost and were three hours long. It was also one of the highest grossing shows of the year for the WWF, even with our shitty exchange rate.  (UFC also is discovering how much Calgary loves to spend money this weekend.)  It was also the last WWF PPV released on Coliseum Video before the changeover to WWF Home Video. I was actually supposed to be there live, but work intervened and I had to get left behind here in Edmonton to tape about 4 copies of the show at once. Everyone else did a road trip to Calgary and apparently had a great time (not that I’m bitter), (Yes I am.) including having drinks with Shawn Michael’s then-fiancĂ©e Julie and wardrobe chick Terri Fittipelli. The setup for this show came on the heels of Bret Hart’s massive heel turn…in the US. See, up here in Canada, his anti-US stance was interpreted as being an ultra-patriotic Canadian answer to the usual jingoistic American bullshit that we’ve been swallowing in our own media and TV shows via the US for the past fifty-some years. Whereas the US had many people to represent them in wrestling, all Canadians ever had were the goofy Rougeaus (who were massively over in Canada), the lumbering Dino Bravo and the occasional flash of brilliance from Bret Hart. See, the US as a whole doesn’t really deal well with opposing points of view to interfere with it’s blissful xenophobia, so when Bret started going off about how fundamentally unfair the US justice and health care systems are and how Canada might actually have a better one, that was interpreted as the actions of a heel.  (And you’ve got ObamaCare now.  So Bret was right.)  But up in Canada, what we heard was someone actually standing up for us instead of making us the butt of back-bacon and maple-syrup type jokes, and a result, by the time Bret and family returned to Calgary for this show, they were literally national heroes. (I can’t overstate enough that they were literally NATIONAL HEROES.  It was crazy, especially now considering how apathetic the country and population in general is towards WWE these days.)  The United States as a whole didn’t really understand that because Steve Austin’s anti-hero was the prevailing trend at the time, which was kinda Bret’s whole point with his tirades against the eroding family values of the US to begin with, and in fact the cynicism built into the American mindset of Generation X and the greedy baby-boomers was such at that time that an all-American hero probably would have been booed out of the building anyway. Witness Kurt Angle. Sure, the Patriot worked in the short term as the foil for Bret Hart, but that wasn’t because people liked it, it was because they hated Bret. And the climax of all this was Bret’s triumphant return home, in what would end up being the last time that the real Bret, the Canadian hero and the man that I truly respected and would follow through almost anything, would show his face before life beat him down into insanity and a web of his own paranoia and self-loathing. I think this show stands as pretty much the best memory he could have gone out on, anyway.

- Live from Calgary [dramatic pause], Alberta, Canada.

- Your hosts are JR, The King and Mr. McMahon.

- Opening match: Hunter Hearst Helmsley v. Mankind.

This is a rematch from King of the Ring where HHH went over Mick to win the crown, turning him face in the process. The crowd is AMPED, and as a result everyone cranks it up a notch for this show. And when Mick Foley cranks it up a notch, look the fuck out. If long play-by-play bores you, too bad, because I’m doing it for every match here. Slugfest to start, won by Mick as he hits a quick slam, legdrop and double-arm DDT. Zen (my roommate) sighting #1: He walks by the camera at various times in the night carrying very prominent signs. The first one is “Everything Zen”. (Not surprising.)  Mick tosses HHH and drops a Cactus elbow, adding a “bang bang” for fun, and to foreshadow his impending transformation. It gets two. He tosses HHH again, allowing HHH to head for the hills. Mick chases and they brawl on the ramp, with Mick getting a suplex there. HHH sunset-flips back into the ring, but gets caught with the Mandible Claw. Chyna saves him. Mick chases her and HHH nails him from behind, allowing Chyna to hiptoss him into the steps for that nasty spot he always does. HHH clips him for good measure as he climbs back in and goes to work on the knee. Figure-four (rope assisted) gets two. Mick breaks it and comes back. An accidental low blow gives us a double-KO. Mick is up first and hits the charging knee to the corner, then puts HHH in the Tree of Woe and drops an elbow on his nose. Pulling piledriver gets two. Cactus clothesline sends both out, where Hunter nails Mick in the knee with a chair, and when the ref is distracted with him Chyna adds a clothesline for good measure. Back in and Mick catches HHH with the Mandible Claw again as he tries a top rope move, but Chyna posts him to break it up. Mick chases her again, and HHH follows for a brawl on the floor, which ends in a double-countout at 13:09. Super hot opener and a great match to boot. **** (Sounds a bit high to me, actually.  They would do better later in the year.  I’d probably go ***1/2 or so now.)  That would be enough to make a two-hour show thumbs up right there. But I guess they were in an over-achieving mood tonight…

- TAKA Michinoku v. The Great Sasuke.

The idea was to push SASUKE as the light heavyweight champ, and Taka was just some jobber he brought along to make him look good. Funny how that one turned out. But first, Mick and HHH continue their brawl as they return from the dressing room and fight into the stands and the penalty box. Zen sighting #2 in honor of the match: “This is Workrate”. It was my goal in the pre-show planning session to make *the* definitive smart mark signs, and I think it worked. Feeling out process to start. Crowd seems a bit disinterested. Taka works on the arm but gets caught with a spin kick. Sasuke goes into a half-crab. Sasuke uses some stiff kicks, so Taka nails him and dropkicks him in the face, twice. KAIENTAI~! Sasuke backdrops Taka to the floor and follows with a tope. Both are down. Back in and Sasuke hits a viciously stiff kick combo, the last one right in the mouth, drawing the requisite “oohs” and “aahs”. Taka blocks a kick and legwhips him, then dropkicks him out of the ring and debuts the springboard plancha to a big pop. Beautiful camera work there. Back in and Taka reverses out of a german suplex and hits a rana for two. Sasuke comes back with a handspring elbow, sending Taka out. Quebrada (Asai moonsault) follows. Back in, Taka gets a belly-to-belly for two. Ohtani-like springboard dropkick gets the crowd going, and the Michinoku driver gets two. Taka goes upstairs and gets dropkicked coming down and a moonsault press from Sasuke gets two. Thunder fire bomb and tiger suplex finishes it at 10:00. Stars for everyone! We’re having a 2-for-1 special tonight! ****1/2 They would then proceed to TOP that match the next night on RAW, with Sasuke debuting the Space Flying Tiger Drop on North American TV, an event I was lucky enough to be there for this time.  (This was indeed crazy for the time.  Again, I’m probably a bit too high on the rating, but it blew away everything else on the show as far as pure work went.) 

- Meanwhile, outside, Mankind and a bloody HHH brawl into the parking lot before finally being seperated. This would set up the cage match at Summerslam, and then finally their wild brawl at the MSG RAW that saw the return of Cactus Jack the first time. As a side note, Foley debuted another personality 8 days after this, as his alter ego Dude Love helped Steve Austin regain the tag titles from Owen & Bulldog in San Antonio.

- WWF World title match: The Undertaker v. Vader.

This was supposed to be Ahmed Johnson’s big breakthrough match after his heel turn, but (and here’s a shock) he was injured, so Vader took his place, thus actually promising to give us a GOOD match. Undertaker pummels Vader to start, and hits a stinger splash for two. Ropewalk gets two. Vader comes back, but Undertaker hits the flying clothesline for two. Vader goes to the headlock. Undertaker boots him out. They brawl on the floor and Undertaker goes to the stairs. He necksnaps Vader from the apron, however, and comes in with a clothesline off the top for two. An uppercut puts Vader on the floor again. Taker chases Paul Bearer (who has been screaming “Murderer!” all match in reference to the angle that introduced the Big Red You-Know-Who) and Vader jumps him. Back in and Vader boxes his ears. Flying clothesline from the second rope gets two. Splash gets two. They rest for a bit, and Undertaker mounts the comeback. Vader knocks him down again. Undertaker keeps fighting up and tries a chokeslam, but Vader kicks him low to block. Undertaker tries the tombstone, but Vader falls on him for two. Vaderbomb misses, and Undertaker returns the low blow and then CHOKESLAMS HIM OFF THE TOP ROPE. Awesome. Another chokeslam gets two. Tombstone finishes at 12:37. Crowd goes NUTS. Guess what? This earns worst match of the night honors…at ***1/2! When have you EVER seen that outside of Japan?  (Oh man, the WWF champion doesn’t even get to main event!  What a mid-carder.) 

- Farmer’s Daughter sing “Oh Canada”. Zen and HSB got to hang out with them, too, lucky bastards. The Fink introduces Ralph Klein (Alberta’s premier and the only politician in the whole fucking country with the guts to stand up to Quebec) and the Hart family.

- Cue the magic.

- Main event: Goldust, Ken Shamrock, The Legion of Doom and Steve Austin v. Brian Pillman, Jim Neidhart, British Bulldog, Owen Hart and Bret Hart.

Everyone from the US team gets SERIOUS heel heat. Steve Austin is nearly booed out of the building. The Hart Foundation is introduced one-by-one, with the ovation building with every guy, until the roof is nearly ready to blow off the place when Bret comes out. It gives me a lump in my throat to watch it. (This was probably the high point of Brian Pillman’s life, and I’m glad he got this moment before his death.  The look on his face when he get to play a straight babyface while basking in the ROAR of the Calgary crowd one last time is something to behold.)  Austin & Bret start. Oh, by the way, the announcer make mention of a little documentary being shot at ringside. Something about “wrestling” and “shadows” or something like that. Bret beats the hell out of Austin, drawing INCREDIBLE face heat in the process. The crowd literally boos Austin’s every move. I mean, literally, when the guys MOVES they boo him. Austin quickly gets the cobra clutch, and they do the reversal spot in the corner for two. Austin misses the rope run, and Anvil tags in. Austin gets the Thesz press and tags Shamrock in. Zen sighting #3: He gets my masterpiece, “What’s Kayfabe?” on screen for a good chunk of time, and then had it confiscated by Adam (of George and Adam fame) about 10 seconds later.  (Today of course no one would care about such a sign, but we were REBELS back then, dammit!)  Shamrock controls easily, so Pillman tags in. He uses a blatant cheapshot and gets CHEERED for it. I know wrestlers always say that they like playing a heel and riling up the crowd, but Pillman had a grin about 4 miles wide on his face the entire match because of the babyface heat he was drawing. Backbreaker gets two. Shamrock hits a belly-to-belly, and everyone tags out. Owen & Goldust go. Enzuigiri gets two for Owen. Crowd starts with a VERY loud “Austin sucks” chant, and Austin wisely plays off it for fun. Hawk comes in with a legdrop on Owen for two. Flying splash gets two. Owen quickly comes back with the Sharpshooter, but Animal breaks. Big heel heat. Bulldog comes in with a hanging suplex and powerslam for two. Bret & Animal go next, and Bret kicks his ass. Goldust comes in and gets his ass kicked, too. Then he gets caught in the corner and a mass-beatdown results and the crowd is rabid and I’m nearly standing up and cheering even now. Owen comes in and hits the post on a blind charge, but comes back with a leg lariat on Animal and a missile dropkick. Rana is reversed into a powerbomb and powerslam. The LOD hits the Doomsday Device fro two, and another brawl erupts. Austin posts Owen and smashes a chair into his knee, then takes a shot at Bruce Hart in the front row. Crowd lets Austin know how much he sucks as Owen heads to the back for medical attention. Austin gets pummelled in the corner to the delight of the crowd, but he fights free. Austin and Pillman go and a quick stunner ends that fight pretty quick. Bret bails him out and posts Austin, then smashes a chair into HIS knee and applies the ringpost figure-four as the announcers gasp in shock at the bloodthirsty crowd. Back in the ring, Bulldog crotches Hawk on the top rope for two. Austin heads to the back for medical attention, too. Animal & Anvil get into a test of strength. Anvil wins and the Harts double-team Animal. Bret gets caught in the corner, but Shamrock plays to the crowd and Pillman sneaks in and clotheslines him. Hey, Ken, you’re a HEEL here. Shamrock then gets caught in the Hart corner and sent to the floor, where Pillman gleefully launches him into the Spanish table. Pillman is just having the time of his life out there. Sadly, this would be the last great match of his career. It’s nice to actually see a smile on his face for an entire match, ya know? Hart gets the russian legsweep for two. Bulldog comes in and pulverizes Shamrock, but a low blow turns the tide. Ah, now you’re catching on, Kenny. Goldust comes in to clean up with a bulldog on Bulldog and the Curtain Call, but Pillman interferes again. Goldust goes aerial and gets superplexed down for two. Austin makes his return. It’s Bret v. Austin again, and Austin wins this round. Suplex gets two. Bret DDTs him and goes for the FIVE MOVES OF DOOM. Sleeper is escaped with a jawbreaker, and it gets two. Bret comes back and gets the Sharpshooter, but Animal saves, and the crowd is PISSED. Austin does his own version, and Owen returns now to make the save. Austin clotheslines him out to the floor and they fight there. Austin takes a shot at fomer referee Wayne Hart, and they end up brawling as Wayne jumps the railing. Bret comes over and nails Austin for hitting his brothers, then rolls him into the ring. Austin has some choice words for Bret, which lets Owen roll him up for the pin at 24:30. Like you need to ask what this gets. *****

- In a glorious end to the whole thing, the entire Hart family clears the ring of Team US, and then Austin makes another go at it with a chair and gets the shit beat out of him 10-on-1. That’ll learn ‘im. The Harts continue the beating until security finally gets in long enough to arrest Austin and drag him back to the dressing room in handcuffs. Austin flips off the crowd behind his back as the Harts celebrate, end of show.

The Bottom Line: Some quick match puts the average match rating at a little over ****. 4.19 stars, to be somewhat exact. That means there were no matches on this card that were anything under “fucking awesome” in layman’s terms. If this show had any sort of long-term historical significance it could very well be considered the greatest PPV ever. I still think it got screwed over in the 97 RSPW awards in favor of the sentimental favorite ECW show, but that’s life. At any rate, it’ll always hold a special place in my heart, and if nothing else will serve as a reminder that all-too-brief time in 1997 when Bret Hart was motivated again and happy. It also provided a brief window when Canada could express it’s own unique form of patriotism, because sometimes heroes still do exist, even if they do get screwed over in the end. Canada won’t forget him, though, even if Vince wants to.

Strongest recommendation.

(As a bonus, here’s the RAW from the next night, via my 24/7 rant)

The SmarK 24/7 Rant for Monday Night RAW - July 7 1997

- Live from EDMONTON, ALBERTA! My first ever live RAW, although you'd probably have to be looking really closely to see me.

- Your hosts are Vince McMahon, Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler.

- This show, and the Canadian Stampede show from the night before, absolutely represented the pinnacle of Bret Hart's hero status in Canada. You wouldn't even believe how over Bret was all night long.

- And of course we start out with none other than Bret Hart, wearing an Oilers jersey to really suck up full force. Bret gives a pretty famous speech here, thanking us for letting him be our hero and how he loves to leave the US. He clarifies that he's not anti-American, he's pro-Canadian. Although playing the gun control card in Alberta doesn't go over too well, because it's the Texas of Canada. He promises to regain the WWF title for the fifth time at Summerslam. In retrospect, I wish he wouldn't have. Next up, Owen Hart, who is readying to defend the Intercontinental title against Steve Austin in another match that kind of changed the face of wrestling forever. British Bulldog also joins us, and we get a rousing Canadian national anthem on the TitanTron. Which allows Steve Austin to run in and lay them all out with a chair to a big heel reaction. Like they weren't having the time of their lives with this stuff.

- Taka Michinoku v. The Great Sasuke. Sasuke was still being pushed as the great white hope of the light heavyweight division here, although that would quickly change. Brian Christopher joins us on commentary to really amp up the annoyance. Taka attacks to start but gets kicked to the floor, and Sasuke quickly gets a tope con hilo. Oh man, he's totally ripping off the Undertaker. Back in, Taka tries to work on the arm and they go the mat for two, where Sasuke reverses to an anklelock. Taka makes the ropes, so Sasuke puts him down with a spinkick combo and Taka bails to regroup. Taka pops backin with a missile dropkick to put Sasuke on the floor, but he blows the somersault moonsault and then does it again. Well, it popped the crowd so I'll forgive it. Taka suplexes him back in, but Sasuke reverses to a german, which Taka flips out of and into a belly to belly for two. Michinoku Driver and Taka goes up, but whiffs on the moonsault. Sasuke tries a Lionsault, but Taka dropkicks him in mid-move. Taka charges and gets dumped, and Sasuke follows with the SPACE FLYING TIGER DROP. This is about as far from Tommy Rogers v. Bobby Fulton as you can get, yo. Back in, Taka reverses a suplex, but Sasuke gets a bridged german suplex for two. Crucifix powerbomb finishes at 5:45. Taka gets basically written off a jobber by the announcers, but he'd be back and Sasuke wouldn't. Highspot extravaganza, although still really short. ***

- Savio Vega v. Crush. This is the official start of the Gang Warz period, as Crush and Savio introduced their posses the week before. Interesting that DOA were mostly the precursor to Undertaker's 2000 revamp. Savio attacks Crush to start, but gets booted down and pounded, as the crowd makes Crush into the defacto babyface early. Backbreaker and Crush holds it as a submission move, but Savio comes back with a leg lariat to put Crush on the floor. This triggers a showdown between the factions, and back in the ring Crush comes back with a bad clothesline to put Savio out. DOA attacks him for the DQ at 2:21. * Just storyline stuff.

- Meanwhile, Paul Bearer continues to insist that Undertaker's brother, Kane, is still alive. And Undertaker is a murderer. A MURDERER! Man, who knew that silly idea would last 11 years and counting?

- [Blur] Tag team tournament finals: Faarooq & D-Lo Brown v. Owen Hart & British Bulldog. Love that blurred graphic. Winner faces Steve Austin and a partner of his choosing next week for the tag titles. Steve insists that Mankind will never be his partner because he's an earless freak. Owen hiptosses D-Lo to start, but gets elbowed down. Over to Bulldog, so Brown brings Faarooq in and we get a posedown. Bulldog with a powerslam and clothesline, but D-Lo gives him the cheapshot as you get a pretty good shot of Zen with a "Lawler's Hardcore" sign at ringside. The Nation works Bulldog over in the corner, but he comes back with a faceplant. D-Lo cuts off the tag and suplexes Bulldog for two, then goes to the chinlock, but Bulldog fights out and then runs into a knee. Back to the chinlock and Owen gets suckered in to break it up, allowing more shenanigans from the Nation. Faarooq with his shitty powerslam for two, but a splash hits the knees and D-Lo has to cut off another hot tag. Brown chokes Bulldog out and pounds him down for two, but Bulldog escapes the Dominator and it's hot tag Owen. Leg lariat for D-Lo and Faarooq and the crowd is losing it, especially when Pillman attacks Kama with the Canadian flag. They all brawl on the floor and Owen beats the count at 6:49 to win the tournament. Weak finish that really dragged a hot match down. Mankind (with an Austin 3:16 shirt) comes out and promises to see them next week in a funny bit. Kind of neat seeing uber-heels Owen & Bulldog wrestling a total babyface formula here and popping the crowd the whole way, but it worked. **3/4

- Meanwhile, a pissed-off Austin gives his thoughts to Vince McMahon, and when Vince finishes with "Thank you for joining us", Austin tells him to shut up. That's the kind of touch that made him a superstar.

- Steve Austin v. Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Some doofus at ringside has a sign that says "Hunter: Future World Champion". Yeah right, Nostradamus. And I suppose he'll marry Vince's daughter and take over the promotion after that, too, because that's about as likely. Lockup to start and Hunter gets all in Austin's face, so Steve decides to out-wrestle him. Austin offering a formal bow is great. Austin starts working the arm, so HHH goes to the eyes and slugs away, forcing Austin to fire back and interrupt his wrestling exhibition. Hunter bails and Austin follows to dump him on the railing, then offers another bow. This one was weird because we (the crowd) really WANTED to cheer for Austin, but it just wasn't the right place for it. Back in, Hunter with a rollup for two, but Austin flattens him with a lariat for two. Austin with the facelock as we take a break, and return with Austin going for a superplex, as Vince puts forth my theory about the crowd wanting to cheer for Austin but being afraid to. Weird, I'm thinking like Vince now. And yet I don't have a creepy childhood neurosis about getting beat up by muscular men, so that's good. Hunter stomps away in the corner and adds the kneedrop for two. Austin comes back with an atomic drop, but walks into a clothesline, as the crowd now starts cheering for Hunter to overcompensate. Austin comes back with the Thesz Press and clotheslines Hunter out of the corner, but Chyna trips him up and draws a face pop. Hunter grabs a chair, but Mankind runs out to save his buddy and take the chairshot in his place, and KICK WHAM STUNNER ends it at 6:15. This was pretty good, with the weirdest crowd dynamic you'll see outside of Goldberg v. Lesnar. *** Austin, impressed with Mankind's moxie, offers him a spot as his tag partner, and turns on him after a hug. DTA, Mick, DTA. Mankind promises that drastic measures will be taken next week and he'll never be the same again. Gotta say, given that buildup it should have been Cactus Jack introduced to the WWF as the payoff.

- Eric Shelley v. Brian Christopher. Shelley is representing all of Canada, according to ring announcer Sunny, which doesn't say much for us. Christopher attacks after offering the handshake, but Shelley monkey-flips him and goes to the armbar. Christopher comes back with the Stroke and a northern lights suplex, but Shelley gets a bad rollup for two. Dropkick puts Christopher on the floor and Shelley tries to follow with the highspot, but splats on the floor and looks stupid in the process. Back in, Christopher with the missile dropkick while Lawler does Polish jokes about Ivan Putski. Shelley comes back and misses a corner splash by a mile, allowing Brian to finish with an inverted DDT and flying legdrop at 3:45. Shelley was pretty awful here. *1/2 They were trying to do a "WWF-ized" version of the cruiserweight division with storylines and heels, which shows how they didn't get what made it work for WCW in the first place.

- More with Steve Austin, as he promises that if he doesn't win the title from Owen Hart at Summerslam, he'll kiss Owen's bare ass right there in the ring.

- Bret Hart v. Goldust. Bret attacks on the floor, and into the ring for an atomic drop and clothesline, but Goldust slugs back. A slam is reversed by Bret for two and he whips Goldust into the corner and works the back with a backbreaker, then hangs him in the Tree of Woe. Goldust bails as DOA heads down to ringside now. The Hart Foundation also joins us and we take a break. Back with Goldust and Bret brawling on the floor, and back in Bret drops the elbow for two. Russian legsweep gets two. Goldust slugs back as this drags on, and we hit the chinlock. And now LOD & Shamrock head down as Goldust gets the lariat for two. And back to the chinlock. Much of the match has been taken up by people looking menacing, which I'm sure works great for TV but isn't exactly enthralling viewing. Bret comes back with a suplex for two and then blocks a sunset flip for the pin at 7:24. ** And we're out.

Comments

  1. Is there a more bittersweet moment in wrestling than the Hart Foundation's entrance at Stampede? I don't think so.

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  2. The end of Wrestlemania 20 is right there, IMO.

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  3. Imo the best American media representation of canadians is the terrance and Philip show.

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  4. The whole switchover from Coliseum Video to WWF Home Video was odd.  Was there any point to it other than branding or accounting?  As I recall, CHV was setup as a secondary company, but they were still operated by the WWF.  Although I think they released a few non-wrestling titles as well.

    Summer Slam 1997 and Survivor Series 1997 were both also Coliseum Video releases -- but some of the IYH shows preceding those two shows were WWF Home Video releases.  I assume they were released after the Survivor Series 1997 video came out.  From Royal Rumble 1998 on they are WWF/WWE home video.

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  5. So what was it that made them go with Taka instead of Sasuke? Sasuke always seemed like he would end up being hard to work with and wouldn't adapt well to the different style, but he could have gotten over by selling a bunch of those masks. Basically I think he would've been Sin Cara. But still, what made them decide otherwise?

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  6. Man taka was pretty fucking awesome back in the day. I wish he ended up in wcw so he could have worked with rey etc.

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  7. What non-wrestling titles did coliseum release?

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  8. I really need to see this show. 

    Also, Bruce Hart just seemed to be his own worst enemy according to Bret, as he got overzealous in the finish and just started attacking all the Americans at ringside, going as far as to really punch Austin hard in the kidneys. Supposedly he was the next member of the Foundation to be brought in, but after that little stunt, Bruce was once again told to fuck off. 

    Oh well, at least he got to ref the Vince/Bret match?

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  9. I ordered this PPV (after my mom gave me permission, of course!) when I was 11 years old. I invited a couple of friends over and we watched it with my 8 year old brother. After the PPV ended, we all acted like what Stone Cold pulled at the end was the craziest shit ever. We were going NUTS. 

    With that being said, this is seriously my favorite show of all time. I'm happy I was able to order it at the time. I remember looking forward to Ahmed v Taker so, SO damn much. 

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  10. I can only assume that it was a money thing. The same thing that made the Bulldogs go to Japan for thousands of dollars per week, instead of the crappy $500 spot show in America.

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  11. Supposedly sasuke bragged to the Japanese media that he was only going to defend the wwf light heavyweight title in japan. Vince got wind of that and went with taka instead because of his impressive ring work to that point.

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  12. Dude, yes, you do.

    It's a great show already but the crowd is like, the crowd at One Night Stand pales in comparison really. It's totally bizarro-world.

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  13. What a show. Every match offers something different, and every one succeeds in its own way.

    Sidenote: It frustrates me that the homogenised WWE-style is so prevalent now, when variety is a big part of why Canadian Stampede flows so well. I think that may be part of the reason why gimmick matches are so heavily relied upon nowadays. They're no longer the result of a developing feud, but rather a means of distinguishing one match from the next.

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  14. I would call it "Hartbreaking", but that's way too easy.

    No, man, it certainly is the saddest sort of happiness watching this show. The most heartbreaking part is knowing the paths these people would take in the next 5-6 years, where Brian, Owen, and Bulldog would die under extremely tragic circumstances. From there, the Harts had to deal with the passing of Helen, and then Stu Hart. Couple that with Anvil's divorce, Bret's stroke, and fighting within the family...

    It's a very sad story in pro wrestling, probably the saddest.

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  15. Man, I wish X-7 didn't so perfectly close the biggest era in wrestling otherwise this would easily take my spot for favorite show of all time.

    It's just so much ridiculous fun from start to finish and represents the last great moments for so many people, obviously Team Canada but even for Austin since this is his last big match before having the specter of paralysis hanging over his head every day. It sounds corny but this PPV, for me anyway, is probably one of the last times wrestling was "innocent" in my mind. After this people started dying and Bret left and the show became Springer.

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  16. I'm not your guy, friend.

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  17. For me, it turns surreal/morbid when Nancy and Daniel show up.

    We're about 1,000 days out from when Chris kills those innocent souls. I can watch his matches, and I appreciate Chris Benoit the Wrestler. But to me, that celebration has about as much worth as a Tom Gugliotta rookie card.

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  18. Bret hart v golddust? What a shitty match to give that crowd as a main event. Should have at least been shamrock.

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  19. Here is one:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Were-the-New-York-Giants-VHS-1987-Original-Music-Video-From-Coliseum-Video/320883395785

    Here is another:
    http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-Gretzky-Hockey-Way-VHS/dp/B001U2HHYO/ref=cm_cmu_pg_t

    Those are the only ones I know of, outside of the WBF tapes if you want to count those.

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  20. Wow that's cool. Never knew that.

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  21. Actually, the last WWE PPV to have the "In Your House" moniker was Backlash '99.

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  22. Hammersmith vs. Calgary

    Sorry, Calgary isn't THAT bizarre. Besides, they were cheering on National Heroes.

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  23. Weren't they pretty much cheering Evolution the entire night at the expense of Eugene, Benoit, Jericho, and Edge?

    Although, I remember the WAVE during JBL/Taker.

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  24.  ...Von Erichs? I dunno it's a wash there.

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  25. Seriously, with all the shit Bret Hart had to deal with after Montreal, just from his family alone, he should be nominated for sainthood. 

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  26. That was really well said.

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  27. Great work from Scott here, but the typical chip on our shoulder insecure Canadian rant made me chuckle. To quote Daniel Tosh, "If Canada were really that great it would be another state."

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  28. That 10-man tag is in my personal Top 5, great crowd and you can tell all the guys are having a blast, especially Pillman and Austin.

    One of my favourite spots is after Pillman hits the backbreaker on Shamrock, and instead of going for the pin he grabs Shamrock's hand and "taps" for him. And after the ref tells him to knock it off he yells "he's tapping out" with that grin on his face.

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  29. Funny thing is I remember being 13 & watching that Raw, and Taka was the one that stood out to me, not Sasuke. Of course I don't remember WHY, but I don't know something about Taka clicked in a way that Sasuke didn't. Maybe it's the mask, and that Taka shows a lot of personality.

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  30. WM20...just the thought of Benoit & Guerrero happy, surrounded by confetti...knowing one's body will crap out a little over a year later, and the other will gradually lose his mind until he does the unthinkable....I need a fucking beer

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  31. You're absolutely right.

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  32. Shut your fucking face, uncle-fucker!

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  33. I went back to watch the entrances of the Hart Foundation and I couldn't believe that the Calgary crowd was so hot, Bret's theme music was almost drowned out.

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  34. I miss Pillman. I enjoyed him when he was "Flyin'" and really wish he was around for the Attitude Era. It would be interesting to see what he would have been like in the face of D-X.

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  35. I always read it as being, at least partially, a way to help erase Bret Hart from WWF cannon.

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  36. The wedding of AJ and Daniel Bryan will surely top that.

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  37. I think Coliseum was a separate company. I remember reading the switch from Coliseum to bringing things internally had to do with a philosophical shift. Coliseum thought the money was to be made in selling tapes to rental places like Blockbuster (and this was '97 so there were also tons of smaller outlets as well), the WWF wanted to sell to retail outlets and eschew the rental market. WWF was right about that one. 

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  38. Toronto 2004 takes the cake for BIZARRO crowd. Usually the "bizarre" crowds are just smarts rooting for bad guys.

    SummerSlam 2004 was an entire crowd making no sense at all for 3 hours. It wasn't like Cena getting booed at WM 22, when you could sense people were getting suck of Cena (and isn't that funny 6 years later.) But I dont remember Evolution being cheered anywhere before that SummerSlam.

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  39. Bruce was NEVER going to be the next member of the Hart Foundation. I think, if I remember Bret's book correctly, he was going to get a backstage job w/ the WWF and blew it. Maybe an agent role.

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  40. I wonder how different this show would have looked if Shawn Michaels were involved.

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  41. Didn't the WWF eventually make a big deal about signing Taka, even having one of their rare "press conferences"? How long was it after these matches before they gave up on Sasuke and focused on Taka?

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  42. With how over Bret was, they could have fed him the Brooklyn Brawler and the crowd would have gone batshit.

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  43. The Saddledome would have needed a new roof.

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  44. BTW, the Space Flying Tiger Drop was seen in a Raw match in July of 1995, between Bret Hart and Hakushi. Great match. Here it is, the Tiger Drop is at the 9:30 mark.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJqXPyLihQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL360F9076058FF72B

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  45. Yeah, I'm an american, and I find all the cultural posturing a tad ridiculous, mostly by fellow countrymen, but comeon canada, get real, you're our hat.

    p.s. Having your national hero be a pro wrestler is unbelievably lame.

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  46.  I'd say Shamrock was kind of green for that spot, but he was main eventing by December. I'm guessing they didn't want to job him this early in his run, either.

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  47. Except it wasn't the main event they gave that crowd, it was Bret, Owen & Bulldog vs. Steve Austin & the Road Warriors.

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  48. The hate I've had for John Cena since 2005 is comparable only to how much I hated Bret Hart around this time. And I'm Canadian. I did attend a Raw a couple of weeks after this show and the heat was amazing. That was one fun summer.

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  49. I feel like last year's MITB shares a kind of spiritual kinship with this show: nuclear hot hometown crowd being the high point of an equally-nuclear hot storyline. Only six matches apiece and everything is somewhere between good and amazing. The presumptive top babyface dutifully (gleefully in Austin's case) plays the loathed heel. Two of, I'd say, the top five shows in WWE history.

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  50. Would've had more Shawn Michaels in it.

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  51. Ralph Klein stood up to Quebec and got nothing done. He can fuck off.

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  52. "you're our hat"

    Classic.

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  53. Truly an epic show. As someone else said it is very comparable to MITB 2011.

    Every match on this show brings something different to the table. 

    Triple H vs. Mankind **** Crazy brawl to get the crowd excited. Great pace and miles better than KOTR finals.

    Sasuke vs. Taka **** Highflying action not seen in the WWF at the time. Crowd was timid to start, but was into it by the end.

    Taker vs. Vader **** Complete opposite of the previous match, but equally great in my opinion. Two monsters slugging it out, and the hot crowd helped.

    10 man tag ***** What else must be said?

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  54. fuck this show, i was still NWO 4 life at the time.

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  55. I remember every time CNN or Nancy Grace talked about the Benoit case, they showed that confetti celebration with Daniel over and over again.  People murder spouses all the time, but it's so hard for me to grasp the father murders son part.  Jericho was truly great and poised in all his TV interviews.

    I have fond memories of renting and buying Coliseum Videos and Lord Alfred saying "for more information, write to...."    I actually sent for that list, but each one was $80+.   I remember Batman in 1989 being the first video priced to sell (under $20)   

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  56. Yeah 1997 nwo was still pretty solid in retrospect. 97 easily my favorite year for wrestling.

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  57. Not to mention Hammersteins a ballroom that only holds a few thousand and Calgary's an arena.

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  58. Yeah theres been some awesome july shows. Fully loaded 2k rocked too

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  59. I'd give the 10 man tag ****, but not *****.

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  60. Fuck that, Montreal happened because Bret caused it to happen, because he thought he was bigger than the business. "I won't job in Canada, and I will not lay down for Shawn" (I'm paraphrasing here, obviously not an exact quote). Though shit, when your promoter tells you to lay down you do it, no questions asked, especially when you're on your way out. I know I'm a bit biased here, Shawn is my favorite wrestler, Bret is far and away my least. But I don't recall Shawn ever putting Vince in the position where (to quote Triple H) "If he doesn't want to do business, we'll do business for him". Bret doesn't deserve sainthood, Owen and the rest of the family do for having to put up with the shitstorm that Bret created. 

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  61. Hell, I was watching WCW just for the fact that their main storyline didn't involve Bret Hart. And yeah, nWo 4 life!

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  62. You're right. What was Hulk Hogan thinking?

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  63. Night, he WAS the Attitude Era while Isaac Yankem was still jobbing to the Ultimate Warrior.

    Look no further than when he brought "relatives" out with him during his ECW run, and he pissed Shane Douglas off. Right as Shane goes to deck him, Pillman cowardly puts his "family" in front of him, which almost incites a riot at the ECW Arena. The sight of security, the kid crying, and Shane foaming at the mouth to get Pillman is what the Attitude Era was all about...crazy, unpredictable moments where lots of security gets involved.

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  64. Hulk Hogan was never a national hero, sorry.  Most popular athlete?  Definitely?  Biggest role model?  Yep.  National hero?  Yeah no.

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  65.  I've never had a horse in the Shawn-Bret feud.  I enjoyed both wrestlers immensely and could care less about their personal spats.  However, lets not pretend now that Shawn didn't squirm out of more than one job.  That's revisionist history.

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  66. I'm not saying he didn't squirm out of a job. But he never took it to the level that Bret did. What pisses me off is that while Shawn gets a well-deserved reputation for being a dick, Bret gets looked at like a saint. It's bullshit, Bret wasn't just as bad, he was even worse.

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  67. No cultural posturing but sincerely ...what makes the States so much better than Canada? I mean that as a sincere question too. As a Canadian I see a country with a collapsed economy and an abysmal health care system. On the positive side you have Hawaii. Honestly I'm open to being enlightened as to why anyone would prefer the US to somewhere like Vancouver.

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  68. The whole idea of one country being better than another comes down to values anyways, so I think that will inform your position.  These sorts of debates inevitably degenerate into people clinging to their nationalism and painting people with the broadest brush possible -- so hopefully this can be a fun discussion and not people spinning their wheels.  I'm sure there are things that are great in one country and not the other and things where both countries totally suck.

    Canada appeals a lot to me personally, but my one reservation is the weather.  Where can you go in Canada that rarely averages a temperature of below 30-40 degrees in the winter and averages 75 - 80 for June through early September?  If such a place exists, sign me up!

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  69. Does  every post on this era HAVE to devolve into the fucking boring "whose fault was Montreal?" argument. The respective cases against Bret and Shawn have been exhaustively aired and everyone is sure about whose side they're on. Personally I take Brets side, but I understand Shawn and Vinces side and have no real interest in arguing about it. I'd rather just focus on the in-ring aspect of WWE in 1997, which was awesome.

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  70. I've only been to BC once, but it seems to me that everybody smokes there.

    And listen, I really don't want to start a Canada v. US thing, so let me start off my response by telling you that the bits of Canada I've seen are mostly lovely (with the exception of Quebec) and your women are pretty damn hot.  But, to compare the United States and Canada, you have to realize that each nation is on a completely different scale.  Canada is like a tiny town in the country, it's pleasant, calm, relaxed and people are happy there, and the US is the city down the way, it's dirty, ugly, smelly, violent and awful, but the town still ain't shit to it.

    We're the US, we're the most powerful nation on the planet, and as flawed as we are (and boy, are we flawed) we're still better than you.

    Plus as nice as Canada is California is still better.

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  71. Bret was ok to do the job if not exactly happy

    Then Shawn said if the roles were reversed he wouldn't lie down for Bret. Bret not unreasonably decided that this, along with all the other reasons we're all familiar with, meant he wouldn't job in Montreal.

    Frankly I think that if any of us were in that situation of being asked to help put over someone who wouldn't do the same back, and we had a creative control clause in our contract, we'd probably do the same as Bret.

    They discussed this on the Bret Vs Shawn DVD and whilst Shawn said he couldn't remember saying that he said it does sound exactly like the kind of thing he'd have said at the time. He effectively held his hands up to it

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  72. Pillman in ECW is one of my favourite things ever. His cowardly antics at ringside, threatening to piss on the ECW arena, and the "smart marks" promo are just gold. I miss Pillman. A lot.

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  73. I really feel like Sasuke/Taka was the first big mistake of the Light Heavyweight Division- Taka was treated like a Job Guy (albeit a competitive one), then all of a sudden we were supposed to treat him like the Ace of the division. Then the WWF just hires the most generic wrestlers possible- Brian Christopher was just a small Heavyweight-style wrestler with no major high-flying moves. Totally missed the point.

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  74. "never took it to the level"? Shawn dropped HOW many Titles without actually losing in the ring?

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  75. Yeah, Taka was quite good, and WWF's shitty-ass LHWgt Division hampered him BADLY as a pro worker in the States. I feel like we never got to see how good he REALLY was.
    Granted, he never managed too  look like anything other than an underdeveloped 13-year old boy, so he was never going to be taken SERIOUSLY, but he could've been a great sympathetic babyface with that look.

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  76. I swear to God every time I saw Bruce on WWF TV, he was mugging for the camera and flying all over the place trying to be the focus of what was going on. He really hurt himself with that kind of shit.

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  77. I'm not even trying to start anything here but, in all reality, how many movies/tv shows/bands/sports (other than hockey) does Canada really have going?

    I live in Washington state, I fucking LOVE me some British Columbia and Alberta. Some of my favorite childhood memories come from camping and skiing in Canada but realistically, if we we're going to make a list of Best Countries the same way we make lists of "Best Bumps" or "Greatest Workrate" America's gotta be above Canada no?

    Not in terms of most peaceful or most green but just generally, that's all.

    I've been looking at moving to BC for a few years now, my wife is pretty much down for it if we can figure a way to make more money there than we do here.

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  78. pff. in a way 1997 felt like it was the reward for sitting through so many boring storylines in 1996.

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  79. I really don't understand how anyone could have been still into the nwo at that point. I hated the fact that seemingly every show ended with a nwo beatdown.

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  80.  Europe > United States AND Canada ;)

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  81.  I kinda remember feeling the same way, so maybe it's just that Taka really was destined for it. That Sakamoto guy that comes out with Tensai was trained by Taka, I wonder if he's any good.

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  82. The 7 year statute of limitations is up so at the very least, Tensai and Sakamoto can recycle the "Choppy Choppy Your Pee Pee" angle

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  83. Ground Zero and Bad Blood were both released under Coliseum Video...DX was the first PPV released under WWF Home Video

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  84. I totally agree with your last comment.  By the way, I have no problem with Canada and I don't think one country is better than the other.  I've been to Toronto, Niagara Falls, Sarnia and other parts of Canada and enjoyed my time in the country.  I just can't stand listening to rants about why one country is better than another no matter who you're defending.  Every country has strengths and weaknesses.  

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  85. I liked it at the time because it made Sting/Hogan a HUGE deal. Starrcade should have been a clean win for Sting.  I stayed motivated as a fan exactly as long as Sting stayed motivated as a worker.  Goldberg was interesting because he was someone new, but by that time I started paying way more attention to Raw.

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  86. Good point.  Weather kills me here too.  Vancouver is probably the closest and even then you're looking at 4-5C in the winter and 22-25C in the summer (sometimes with it being 19C).  I came from AB where it's just bitterly cold in the winter and stupid hot in the summer.  Can't imagine being in Sask or Winnipeg, which have it even worse!

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  87. SMAAAAAAAAAAAAART MAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRKS

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  88.  See, now the only thing I got from your post is that California is great.  But "we're better cause...uh...we're better" doesn't tell me much.  =)  Are we rating the countries on military capacity?  Okay, sure then the US is great.  But why would that make me want to *live* there?  That's what I'm looking to get out of this.

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  89. You're Canadian and you hated Bret during this time? Why so? Did he not give you his shades one time?

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  90.  Vancouver is awesome, you should move.  Though Washington State is awesome too, my wife and I go down there all the time.  Okay, you did remind me that  the US has a far better breakfast cereal selection so points there for sure!

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  91. HBK was my favorite wrestler until Steve Austin came along. I was on the Austin bandwagon after his first match against Bret, so I must have started rebelling early.

    But I really hated him. Top 3 most hated wrestlers in my life, when he won the title and Summerslam and was celebrating I literally wanted to kill him.

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  92. WWF In Your House: Loss of Innocence

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  93. I would also state that I dont think Bret Hart was a national hero by any stretch. A neat story that people reported on, but I lived in Edmonton at the time (just 2 hours from Calgary) and it wasn't nearly at that level. Literally a national hero kind of implies a level of recognition for this I don't think Bret Hart had; heck, even friends of mine who used to be into pro wrestling at the time werent even paying attention to WWF at the time. You can imagine then what recognition level there would have been from the average person.

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  94. Also Taka's offense is much more high-impact, whereas Sasuke is more flippy-floppy. That could be a contributing factor.

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  95. The light heavyweight division was a train wreck. Look who they had in that tournament.

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  96. Hall and nash were still pretty entertaining and the sting hogan thing. 1997 wwf was definitely superior though.

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  97. Thanks for posting that. That was a bad ass match.

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  98. Our police officers don't carry around electric cattle prods and shock people with them like jerks.

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  99. Also its too fucking cold.

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  100. You know what also pisses me off. Bret barely put Shawn over at wm12. Overtime wtf? And of course bret had to end regulation with shawn in the sharpshooter. After that half assed job I don't blame hbk at all for balking on wm13.

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  101. Depends where.  I'll use Spain as my example since I was born there, have been back a bunch of times and have grandparents, uncles, cousins that still live there.

    There's rampant unemployment, and I mean rampant, not like what you see in the States.  There's tons of burglary, you cannot have a nice car w/a nice music system and leave it parked on the street, ever.  Most cities are super dirty because there's no money to have a consistent sanitation system and most folks have zero issue of throwing their sandwich wrappers on the street.  I could go on and on. 

    Like Spain, I've heard the same thing of many parts of Italy, Greece, France, etc. 

    So, as a Spaniard (I have dual citizenship of US and Spain), no.

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  102. Dude, I'm from America, and there is a decent chance I'm older than you.

    The way Hogan captured people's hearts and imagination during 1984-1987 is NO different than what happened with Bret in 1997. You can say otherwise, but I just don't think you can be snide and rip on Canada for having their own Patriot.

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  103.  Yeah, it was a mess.  Part of the problem of course is that WCW had already snapped up a lot of the good ones - and they had a working relationship with NJPW and (I think) AAA in Mexico which limited the foreign talent they could bring in. 

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  104. Harts weren't fucked up drug addicts with suicidal tendencies, so...Von Erichs kinda created their own tragedy.

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  105. I agree, most people in Canada would have no clue who Bret Hart was.  He was far from being a national hero.  Maybe a hero to Canadian wrestling fans.

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  106. Ding ding.

    Not to mention the guy was about as clumsy as a three-legged giraffe.

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  107. That's hilarious, as I was in the same situation. I am Canadian, but I was a big HBK fan and a big Austin fan; while I had been a big Bret fan, I was kind of sick of his whining. I ended up getting into a huge fight with my friend while watching SSeries 97 and got in his face big time when Shawn "won". We ended not talking for a couple weeks. It wasn't until the next summer - when HBK was gone and I was quickly becoming sick of Austin - that I revisited the feud and really got behind Bret.

    I think for me the main issue was that I didn't view things nationally. I hadn't developed a strong national identity (in many ways, I still haven't) and really saw it as a personal feud between Bret (and his gang) and Austin or HBK. Pretty wild to think of it today.

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  108. Okay it being cold I'll grant you. As I mentioned below I moved to Vancouvet bc I couldn't stand the winter in AB.

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  109. I've always wondered why Sting was so unmotivated for the biggest match of his career. Was it because Hogan had taken over the company he had led for so long? A drug problem?

    It just seemed weird considering he was such a professional for so long.

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  110. Bret had every legal right to not even show up at Montreal. He worked every single one of his dates and was pretty much doing overtime at that point, just out of respect for the company.

    And come on, let's not pretend that the only time Shawn ever laid down a belt to somebody was when his name was Triple H.

    And let's not forgot that the lead up to Wrestlemania 13 turned into the cluster fuck that it did because Shawn's career was "over".

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  111. I just watched the Calgary Stampede match between Taka and Sasuke and you could tell that Taka had something. He was on offense for the majority of the match and the crowd was loving him. I honestly think he had a good charisma to him and now I can tell why Vince wanted him. Sasuke may have been the vet and the bigger name but Taka had that feisty young'un fire to him.

    I've always been a Taka mark. Wish they could have done more with him as I remember that he had a six-man with the Headbangers as his partners and dressed up and danced like them, which the crowd loved.

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  112. That's a fair point.

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  113. You guys have a nice ball team for the Olympics though. Too bad rubio got hurt but your front court is just as good if not better.

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  114. Halifax, on the east coast. Best time to go is in September. Gorgeous.

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  115. ...eep, I can't agree with any of this.

    Matter of fact, I love that ending. I think it sets up a rematch brilliantly.

    It's just too bad that, for some reason, Shawn felt very threatened by Austin/Bret.

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  116. Actually Clue was the first major studio film released for $20; it was one of the main reasons why Clue became a cult hit in that it was a budget VHS tape that had strong word of mouth for it that everyone ended up buying....

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  117.  What about Jack Jr. that died of electrocution when he was like 5?

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  118.  That sounds like any part of the east coast. I'm right across the St. Lawrence from Ontario and that's pretty close to accurate, most of the time. It's just occasionally that the thermometer spikes in the summer or bottoms out in the winter, but most of the time it's pretty even. Rains like a fucker though.

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  119. While awful, I meant in the context of wrestling.

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  120. I don't care what anybody says, the gun angle was fuckin awesome!

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  121. See, if Kaientai had been booked like KAIENTAI DX, that might've been fun.

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  122. Love that movie! Maybe the reason my parents owned it when I was a kid is because it was cheap!

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  123.  I'll check it out!

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  124. That sounds pretty good to me too.  It rains a lot here in the Pacific Northwest but it's never a torrential downpour -- it's more like 6-8 months of constant drizzle and gray skies.  The summers are beautiful and overall the weather is very mild, but I get so sick of the constant gray.

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  125. That was earlier in the book, but then he went and called Vince or Dillon and basically had the balls to say that his booking would save the WWF because everything they were doing was terrible.

    With the Hart Foundation, he was going to be brought in as the Junior Heavyweight Championship or something like that, but then he went hog wild and punched kidneys.

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  126. I remember reading in Bret's book about one of his nephews dying of a flesh eating virus after he scraped his thumb in the ring. The sad part was he was insanely agile and pretty much would have been alongside Tyson Kidd today in the WWE (if I'm not mistaken they were best friends and were training together).

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  127. This is the feud that got me back into it big time after straying away in the 95-96 period... I was a big Bret mark and lived close enough to the Canadian border in NY at the time to champion his cause.  The Raws from March to the end of the year (especially the summer ones), were just epic each and every week.  From top to bottom, the Raw's this year were better than most of the 98 and 99 ones... it just took a year's worth of good shows and the Tyson/Austin stuff to send it into the stratosphere in early 98.

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  128. America was just as stupid then.

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  129. We're not a nicer place to live.  But America has been the most powerful nation in the world for about seventy years now, our culture, our movies, our television, our music, our celebrities, our interpretation of success, the American dream, it's spread globally.  Justin Beiber only started selling albums when he got sponsored by a an American. 

    Canada is nice, but it doesn't matter.

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  130. How were you getting sick of Austin? That's just stupid.

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  131. Ah, now I know where you are coming from  at least.  "We're not a nicer place to live" == "not better" to me. 

    My "better" was "better to live, better to exist in, higher quality of life", not "most powerful, most influential".   But I can see where someone could see it that way.

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  132. Yeah, Canada still sucks my taint when it comes to that bit too.

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  133.  "We're not a nicer place to live."
    "Canada sucks my taint when it comes to being better to live in than the States"

    Uh...=)

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  134. Let me just say that Canada doesn't have a Missouri.  There's a lot of shit in America, but the best parts or the States are way better than you moose humpers.

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  135.  Are you sure?  The case for Ground Zero doesn't seem to indicate it, but perhaps the actual video includes the CHV opening?

    http://www.thecanadianconnection.biz/images/VHSTapes/Large/GroundZero.jpg

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  136. You're right about Ground Zero it was not a Coliseum Video.  Badd Blood  was released by Coliseum Video under the title 'Rampage 97'

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  137. That picture of Dude and Austin is priceless.

    Just a BMF and a fucking nutjob.

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  138. Shawn threatened to walk out on the main event of wrestlemania 14. Not to mention refusing to job the intercontinental title ... twice. Bret's not entirely guilt free. However Shawn was an asshole to the ninth degree, in my opinion far worse.

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