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SummerFest Countdown: 1995

The Netcop Retro Rant for Summerslam 95.

(I had actually redone this show a few years back, but when I was typing it up I realized that I was basically doing the exact same review over again.  I did notably change one star rating, however.) 

Let's take a trip back to 1995, when the major players of today were minor players, and the WWF hit it's lowest nadir.

Live from Pittsburgh, PA, once described by Bret Hart as the place you'd have to stick the hose if you wanted to give America an enema.

Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jerry Lawler.

Backstage, Dean Douglas is grading the matches.

Opening match: Hakushi v. The 1-2-3 Kid.

More X-Pac than Lightning Kid at this point, the Kid was on the verge of the heel turn that would reinvent his entire career. Hakushi is Hayabusa's buddy Jinsei Shinzaki, and has become one of the worst wrestlers on the international circuit through years of dedicated laziness. (It’s good to have goals in life.)  Hakushi was in the midst of a heel push at this point, although the fans were pretty apathetic. (Tensai!) Quick start as the Kid does a flip out of a wristlock using the ropes, impressing the crowd. Nice Van Dam-ish sequence goes nowhere. Another criss-cross goes nowhere. Hakushi gets a cheap shot to take control, but the Kid flips out of a powerbomb, only to get dropped with a backbreaker. Hakushi hits a handspring elbow, ironically leaving Kid in the position he usually puts people in for the Broncobuster. And even more ironically, Hakushi does it! Stalling follows, however. Hakushi kicks away at the leg and hits some stiff kicks to the neck. Pump splash gets two. Too much resting here -- Hakushi was made to look VERY good by Bret Hart in their feud. Hakushi superkicks the Kid out of the ring, then debuts the elusive Space Flying Tiger Drop on North American PPV. He tosses the Kid back in and nails a shoulderblock off the top for two. A diving headbutt misses, however. Kid comes back and dumps Hakushi out, then nails a dive from the second turnbuckle to the floor. He comes in with a slingshot legdrop for two, and a splash off the top for two. He goes for a leg lariat, but gets caught in mid-air and dropped on his head for three at 8:49. **1/2 for the highspots.  (This was pretty good, actually, about ***1/2). 

Mabel cuts a pretty decent heel promo for the main event, promising a surprise.

Hunter Hearst Helmsley v. Bob "Sparkplug" Holly.

Oh, man, where do you start with this one? One goes from aristocrat to degenerate, the other goes from race-car driver to Hardcore. Who knew Holly actually had a personality? And may I also point out that HHH has put on about 50 pounds since then. (Only 50?  I guess it was only 1998 at that point.)  HHH does his Steve Regal impression here, refusing to lock up with Holly. HHH was, shall we say, not very good at this point. Mainly punching and kicking going on here. Holly bumps around pretty good, and HHH marks a milestone: His first ever knee-related move on PPV. In this case, a kneedrop. And thus a grand legacy begins. They fight over an abdominal stretch, crowd couldn't care less about either guy. This, in a nutshell, was what destroyed the WWF in this era: Gimmicks instead of characters. People care about characters, not gimmicks. More on that in the King Lear Rant, coming soon to WrestleLine. (Geez, this guy’s worse than Tout.)  Sloppy sequence allows Holly to come back. He makes the mistake of trying a backdrop, however, and Helmsley turns it into the Pedigree for the pin at 7:11. 1/2*

Jacob & Eli Blu v. The Smoking Gunns.

The Blu twins were last seen in the WWF as DOA. (And then again in WCW as a bunch of lame teams.)  Billy Gunn you know, and you know Bart Gunn. (Does anyone really know Bart Gunn anymore?  REALLY?)  You probably don't associate them as a team, however. For reference sake, the Gunns won their first tag titles in January of 1995, and lost them at Wrestlemania XI. This was a nothing tag match to put the Gunns over. Billy still had the long hair and moustache at this point. Billy hits a fame-asser quickly on a Blu twin for a two count. Nice double-team sequence from the Gunns gets two. Billy gets caught with both Blus and dropped on his head to become ass-in-peril, however. Kick, punch, kick, punch. No matter how many times Vince repackages the Harris brothers, they still suck. See also: Knight, Dennis. (Mideon.)  See also: Bradshaw, Justin. (Written six years before he ended up getting the World title for a year.)  Bart gets the hot tag and hits a bunch of left hands (if it was Steve Williams in there, the match would be over) and the Gunns hit the Sidewinder (legdrop-side slam combo) for the easy pin at 5:31. Bleh. 1/2*

Skip (w/ Sunny) v. Barry Horowitz.

This would be Horowitz' one and only brush with stardom, as he scored a fluke pin on Skip to set up this feud.  (And then fell in love with Eve, but got chokeslammed by Kane a million times…oh wait, wrong guy.)  Barry goes right after Skip with a jawbreaker and a dragon-screw leg whip to start, then he clotheslines him to the floor. He misses a blind charge, but compensates in time and gets a rollup for two. Skip takes a nice bump as Barry suplexes him from the ring to floor, prompting Sunny to throw in the towel. Ref doesn't buy it. Sunny trips Horowitz, allowing Skip to come back. Man, Candido has NO ring presence at this point. Again, Vince was pushing a gimmick with Chris "Bodydonna Skip" Candido, while he was pushing a character in Barry Horowitz. Guess who the fans responded to? (Steve Austin.)  Skip controls with some basic stuff. Fans don't care about Skip. Horowitz comes back with two shouldertackles for two counts, but runs into a clothesline. He comes back with a Thesz press for two, but runs into a powerslam this time. Skip keeps wasting time. Skip hits three sloppy legdrops for two. He needs to get the Kid to show him how to do those properly. Both go for a dropkick and we get a double-KO spot. Crowd keeps chanting for Barry. Skip gets knocked off the top rope, but Horowitz can't capitalize. Skip hits a diving headbutt...and picks up Barry at two. Big mistake, Skip. Barry comes back and goes to the top, but the crack whore pushes him down, allowing Skip to hit the superplex. Hakushi wanders down, since he has issues with Skip. Skip yells threats at him, so Hakushi springboards in...right over both men. Skip is so confused that he doesn't even see Horowitz behind him, and Barry small packages him for the upset win at 11:11. This was Perfectly Acceptable Wrestling, and it's too bad that Barry's push was aborted even faster than I thought it would be. **1/2

Dean Douglas defines "Vivify" while analyzing the last match. Those who say that Dean Douglas was somehow a bad character is either full of shit or falling for Shane's ECW propaganda. It drew great and instant heel heat. The problem was with Razor Ramon and clique politics. More on that in...wait for it...The King Lear Rant. (You’d think I would have held out for some money from Wrestleline given how hard I shilling for it.) 

WWF Meaningless Women's title match: Alundra Blayze v. Bertha Faye.

As a continuation of what I writing in the 94 rant about the women's division being buried, Vince decides to switch from pushing actual wrestlers to using his normal strategy in the men's division: Pushing freakishly huge monsters. See also: Mabel. Bertha Faye no-sells and screams a lot. Picture Roseanne Barr in a technicolor dress. Bertha destroys Blayze, but misses a splash. Alundra gets a victory roll for two, but Faye is JUST TOO FAT to keep down. Blayze gets the HAIR SLAMS OF DOOM, but the ref is talking to Harvey Wippleman. A chase ensues, and we head back in the ring as Blayze gets two off a rollup. Bertha actually takes a rana for two. Blayze hits two dropkicks off the second rope, but misses a third and gets powerbombed for the pin and the title, a finish NO ONE wanted to see. That's 4:53 of my life I'll never get back again. Blayze regained the title a couple of weeks later, then showed up on the upstart WCW Monday Nitro the next week and dumped the belt in a garbage can, which is where it belonged. Well, at least it was clean. *1/2 (RIP Bertha Faye.) 

Casket match: Kama v. The Undertaker.

Kama took the urn-stealing angle a step further, actually melting it down and wearing it as a chain. Kama = Papa Shango = Kama Mustafa = The Godfather, by the way. Nice psychology right away as UT dumps Kama over the top, right on the casket, causing Kama to freak out and get back in the ring. UT hits a splash in the corner and the ropewalk, showing a lot of energy for that time period. UT asks for the casket to be opened, and tosses Kama into it, but can't get the lid shut. Kama hits a clothesline off the top, which is no-sold by UT. UT tries another splash in the corner, but gets caught and slammed by Kama. UT goes into the casket, but manages to pull Kama in. Dibiase makes the save. Kama and Dibiase double-team UT. Like I care. UT comes back but Dibiase keeps distracting him and Kama rams him into the post backfirst. He suplexes Undertaker on the casket to work on the back. Psy-col-o-gy? He follows with a baseball slide. Man, did I suddenly tune into lucha libre or something? Kama goes for a piledriver on the casket, but UT backdrops him into the ring and comes back. Kama hits a powerslam, but forgets it's a casket match, which allows UT to sit up. Chinlock ensues. Taker escapes and comes back for real. Flying clothesline, and both guys go tumbling into the casket, and the lid is closed. Kama tries to escape but can't. Now UT escapes, but can't shut the lid. UT chokeslams him, back in the ring, and tombstones him. Into the casket at 16:25, match over. Ye gods, whose bright idea was it to give these guys that much time? ** for the psychology.

Bret Hart v. Isaac Yankem DDS.

Remember what I was saying about gimmicks v. characters? Here you go again. The idea is that Isaac is Jerry Lawler's personal dentist, brought in as the final revenge against Bret Hart. He is, however, much better known for a gimmick that finally clicked for him in 1997: Kane. (And now you know…the rest of the story.)  And why did that one click? Because it was the character that the fans got into, rather than the gimmick. Yankem controls with some power stuff not unlike what he does today as Kane, with the same mannerisms. It's pretty weird to see, actually. He misses a blind charge and Bret hits an inverted atomic drop and three clotheslines, the third of which sends Isaac to the floor. Bret follows with a pescado (dive to the floor). Back in and Bret goes for the Sharpshooter early, but Yankem blocks. Rollup gets two for Bret. He comes off the ropes and gets press slammed, however, giving Isaac the advantage. Many shot of Isaac's bad teeth are shown, thus revealing the last refuge of a bad gimmick: Situational irony. See, he's a DENTIST, but he's got BAD TEETH! Understand how that's supposed to draw heat? Me neither. (At least there’s some minimal effort put into giving him something to distinguish him from Jackson Andrews or Abraham Washington or Fillard Millmore) Bret reverses a hangman's neckbreaker into a small package for two, but gets clotheslined to the floor. Yankem rams Bret to the post and hits him with the DENTAL BAG OF DEATH. Bret ends up draped on the top rope and Isaac legdrops him off the top, which would have looked great if it was hit properly. Bret dodges some sledges, but gets decked from behind. Yankem rolls out, and Bret follows with a tope suicida. They brawl outside for a bit, then back in for a Hitman bulldog for two. Yes kids, it's time for...wait for it....THE FIVE MOVES OF DOOM! (Still waiting on that royalty cheque.  So is JTG, apparently.)  Lawler helps his dentist make the ropes on the Sharpshooter, however. Bret backdrops Yankem to the floor, where they brawl. Bret gets whipped to the steps, and Yankem goes to the top. Bret slams him off, then whips him to the corner and posts him, tying his feet together with TV cable. He then goes after Jerry Lawler, allowing Yankem to drill (get it?) him from behind off the top rope, and toss him back in. Bret gets a flying forearm, but Lawler trips him up, and Yankem ties him in the ropes and beats on him, drawing the DQ at 16:10. Yankem definitely showed promise here, but then he was trained by Al Snow so that's not terribly surprising. He got REALLY bad during the Diesel II period, however. Still, not a bad debut at all. ***, thanks to Bret.

Ladder match, Intercontinental title: Shawn Michaels v. Razor Ramon.

Shawn is the champion here, not Razor, for those of you who keep asking me about this one. This was scheduled to be Shawn v. Sid for the title up to about a week before the show, but Vince felt the card sucked as it stood, and wanted to add, you know, a good match. The Sid v. Shawn match *did* go off a couple of weeks later, and was the infamous "He pins the big guy with three superkicks" match that marked the debut of Eric "Mr. Tact" Bischoff's guerrilla warfare tactics on Nitro. Dok Hendrix joins us for commentary, replacing the departing Jerry Lawler. Ramon ducks out of a superkick very early on. Ramon goes for the Edge early on, which Shawn escapes from. Things are even until Shawn gets whipped into the corner and takes a suicide bump over the top. They fight into the aisle where the ladder waits, but don't go for it. Back to the ring, where Shawn takes an absolutely sick bump and gets suplexed to the floor, full on. No landing on his feet here. Ramon goes for the Edge again, but Shawn wiggles out. Ramon ducks the superkick and they nail each other for an early double-KO. Ramon recovers first and hits a blockbuster suplex off the top, and goes for the ladder. Shawn misses the baseball slide he hit at WMX, thus showing that Ramon has learned from the last match. Ramon goes for the belt, but Shawn dumps him off, then nails him with the ladder. Shawn climbs, but Ramon yanks Shawn's tights down, and Shawn slips off the ladder and takes ANOTHER sick bump, wrenching his knee and getting it caught in the ladder. Ramon stomps on it, just because. He rams it into the ladder to further the damage, and clips Shawn's knee with the ladder when he stands up. Then he slams Shawn on the ladder, right on his knee. Just brutal. Razor sets up the ladder, but Shawn can't even stand up. So Ramon beats on the knee some more. Attaboy. Shawn kicks him into the ladder, but it doesn't last long, as Ramon drops him knee-first on the ladder. Ramon absolutely dismantles the knee, ramming it into the apron and wrapping it around the post. He even works in an indian deathlock, which is just about the only place where it's appropriate. Now back to the ladder, as Ramon drops it on Shawn's knee. Ramon is drawing great heel heat here. He goes for the climb now, but gets knocked off by a flying Shawn. Ramon climbs again, but is followed and suplexed off by Shawn. Crowd is torn as to who to cheer for. Shawn sets up the ladder in the corner and whips Ramon into it, then again in another corner, and a forearm smash for good measure. And the crowd BOOS. Amazing. Shawn moonsaults off the ladder onto Ramon, which was somewhat blown by Ramon. Shawn to the top of the ladder, but misses the splash that he hit at Wrestlemania X. Notice how the one match builds on the other? The ladder is set up in the middle, and both climb it, and both go crashing off it, with Ramon ending up on the floor. Shawn charges him with the ladder and misses, ending up on the floor himself. Then, in an odd moment, Razor grabs the spare ladder from under the ring and brings it in. Shawn, meanwhile, climbs again, but gets Edged off the top of the ladder. Ramon moves first, setting up his own ladder. Shawn sets up his, and we have a foot race. Shawn superkicks Ramon off his ladder, but then falls off and takes a nasty bump. That didn't look scripted. Ramon tries another Edge, but gets backdropped over the top and Shawn grabs the belt to retain at 24:56, after another aborted attempt. Shawn blew the ending twice, so minus a bit, but the rest was gold. ****1/2 (I boosted this one to the full monty on subsequent viewings, but others disagree, and that’s OK.) 

Dean Douglas critiques Ramon's performance, and Ramon storms his set and attacks him. (“I bought this Tupperware at your store last week and someone used it to smoke a bunch of crack!”)

Oh, man, do I *have* to watch the main event?

WWF title match: Diesel v. King Mabel.

This was set up because GOD HATES ME and wanted to see me suffer.  (No, that’s the three hour RAW era.)  Mabel pushes Diesel around to start, because he's JUST TOO FAT. Diesel can't slam him, but a shoulderblock sends him to the floor. Diesel then has the balls to pull out his no-hands pescado. Last time he did that was Souled 98 against the Giant, by the way. They fight outside the ring, with Diesel going to the ringpost and Mabel charging, but eating a foot to the face. Back in the ring, crowd is deader than...well, I'll resist my baser impulses. (And to think the list of people I could have gone to was significantly shorter at that point.)  Mabel hits a ugly Bossman slam and a buttdrop. Ref gets bumped for no adequately explained reason, and MOM double-team Big D. Lex Luger makes the save, but gets taken out by Diesel (who assumes that Luger is on Bulldog's side and thus is against him). Luger takes out Mo anyway, so no hard feelings I guess. And that is the last appearance of Mr. Luger in the WWF. Back in the ring, Mabel gets the belly-to-belly for two, but misses a splash off the second rope. Diesel follows with a shoulderblock off the second rope and gets the mercy killing at 9:10. Yay, it’s over.  -**

The Bottom Line:

Diesel drew no heat for this show, while Ramon and Shawn rocked the house, and Vince STILL didn't take the hint. That lesson runs true today in WCW, and some of the same people are even involved. The message was written on the wall, and Vince even delivered it himself during the IC title match: "It was originally supposed to be Sid v. Shawn, but interim president Gorilla Monsoon said that the people didn't want to see that, they wanted to see a ladder match". Did Vince listen? No. Why? It's in the rant. Coming soon to WrestleLine. Ain't I a stinker? (Dude, enough.)  Anyway, this show had it's ups and downs, with the "ups" very slightly beating out the "downs", but that's mainly thanks to the efforts of Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, rather than from the last hurrah of the cartoon character age. If you've never seen Ramon v. Shawn II, I'd recommend checking this show out. Otherwise, don't bother.

Comments

  1. "Diesel then has the balls to pull out his no-hands pescado. Last time he did that was Souled 98 against the Giant, by the way."

    I... I... WHAT? He didn't rip both quads and a pectoral doing it?

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  2. With all this shilling, you might as well re-post the King Lear rant on here. Would 2012 Scott Sez have any additional comments throughout it?

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  3. I still say this show is slightly over-maligned. Yes, the main event sucks, but even with pre-match interviews and entrances, and post-match activities, it still only takes up 15 minutes of a 2 hour 45 minute show. Meanwhile, you have a 5 star classic, and 4 matches in the decent to good range (Kid-Hakushi, Skip-Horowitz, Taker-Kama, Bret-Yankem). Not a top echelon Summerslam, but certainly solid.

    It wasn't until December that Blayze/Madusa threw the belt in the garbage can.

    And yes, you really should be doing a 2012 Scott Says on the King Lear rant. God knows you've hyped it enough (is it trending on Twitter yet?).

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  4. This is where not turning Lex Luger at the previous year's SummerSlam really hurt them.  If Luger was a heel then I think he and Diesel should've headlined this show.  It would've been a helluva lot better than having Mabel in the main event.

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  5. http://goo.gl/BjBA4

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  6. I think it is not gimmick vs character, but good gimmick vs bad gimmick, because what was the character of Kane? Undertakers evil monster brother is even less a character than an evil dentist with bad teeth... but he was cool and with mask, not half as ugly as Isaac Yankem. :-)

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    I boosted this one to the full monty on subsequent viewings, but others disagree, and that’s OK."

    Count me as one the people that disagrees. Seeing that match just made me think that I'd seen it all done before, only better. 

    Only 2 dead people on this show, probably the best you're gonna see from this time period.

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  8. I think there are shows where the main event makes or breaks the show. And I think that Diesel vs Mabel was SO bad, that the rest doesn't matter. E.G. WM6 had a very bad card, but Hogan vs Warrior was so good, that it made the whole event great. Summer Slam 95 was the other way round. And matches like skip vs horowitz or hhh vs bob holly or bret vs isaac yankem was everything but not ppv material. Where were the bigger stars like Owen Hart, Lex Luger, British Bulldog, Sid, Bam Bam Bigelow, Yokozuna, Jeff Jarrett etc.?

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  9. Bertha Faye was awesome. About 10 years ago, I actually purchased a Bertha Faye comp from MANZERMAN. Good worker, athletic, and had the greatest ass in the history of wrestling. She'd definitely be a much more relevant star on the indy scene in 2012 as opposed to 1995. RIP.

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  10.  Still amazed Mabel and Hall are kicking around! Good for them.

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  11. Waltman vs hakushi was a pretty crazy for 1995 wwf

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  12. That would have been a major summerslam main event.

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  13. Scott Keith:" oh man i love this... FRUITY!! FRUITY FRUITY DELICIOUS!!! 95 DIESEL!!! SHAWN SHAWN!!! THE KLIQ BAH GAWD THE KLIQ!!!! KING LEAR!!!!"

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  14.  (“I bought this Tupperware at your store last week and someone used it to smoke a bunch of crack!”)How would you smoke crack with Tupperware? That shit's plastic, you cook crack in a spoon or, if you have a lot of it, maybe a coffeemaker.

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  15. The word "great" has many definitions, Night.

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  16. Has Breaking Bad taught you nothing about how to cook crack?

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  17. Scott Hall (or maybe Jake Roberts) is the Keith Richards of wrestling. No idea how the guy is still living and in an event of a nuclear attack, he and the cockroaches will inherit the Earth.

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  18. Anyone know where the Luger thing was supposed to go? It seemed odd, Bulldog turns, Luger only turns up here, Diesel takes him out, but he takes out Mo, and then he's gone. Was he turning heel? Staying face? 

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  19. According to a TV show I saw a few months ago the best way to do it is a saucepan and a Pyrex measuring cup. Funny thing was that guy used Grey Goose instead of water. "Other niggas use water, I use vodka, but you can't use the cheap shit." Waste of good booze, I say. Fucking crackheads...

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  20. I think part of the difference is also that Kane was given an actual motivation and reason to go out and attack Undertaker, and did actual stuff to make people dislike him.  Why would anyone care about Yankem's character?  Because he's Jerry Lawler's dentist???  We're supposed to say "I hate that guy, so I'm also going to hate his dentist"?  They could trot out Josef Stalin's dentist, and I still wouldn't care about him. 

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  21. I'm guessing this one went over my head too. Why do all of your messages have to have subtext, Stooge!

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  22. I think of Eve Torres when I think of someone with a fine booty.

    Bertha Faye? I think...well...hmm. She was well-fed.

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  23. How many times did he shill the King Lear rant in that one review?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBAXWZ6vLRc

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  24. Yeah i'd love to read an updated version of that rant.

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  25. I figured that the guy just hasn't stopped drinking.

    You know, the minute he abstains from alcohol, his body is going to shut down very quickly, just like Hawk and Eddie Guerrero. I've seen it happen in my own family.

    Sad, but I think that's the case.

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  26. If their Raw match from 1994 was any indication, I'm right with you, dude.

    But this is the WWF, and if Wrestlemania X taught us anything, it's that Luger wasn't getting a dream match anytime soon.

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  27. Why was Horowtiz's push aborted so quickly?

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  28. Well, he's still not as bad as Shawn Michaels. #MRA

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  29. LOL, where'd you have him going next, against Shawn Michaels at the September IYH?

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  30. http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/video_reviews/32581/King-Lear-%28The-Fall-Of-The-WWF%29.htm

    There you are, gentlemen. Not updated, but just in case you were curious.

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  31. I still can't believe they actually booked Bret Hart against a WRESTLING DENTIST on their second biggest show in 1995. Mind-boggling. 

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  32. Of course not, but could have been a good lower mid-card guy.

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  33.  Thirded! Scott, I'll even click on a few ads too.

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  34. Just fucking with ya, brother.

    He ran for a while with this gimmick, even participating in the 1995 Survivor Series and 1996 Royal Rumble.

    I don't think anyone ever had long-term plans for him to be anything other than a glorified jobber. Barry getting those wins was a) punishment for Skip, and b) a reward for a dude who spent many years looking up at the lights.

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  35. Nothing wrong with a "well-fed woman. I'd tear Adele's ass up given the opportunity. Bertha.........not so much.

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  36. Haha, that was me trying to be politically correct.

    Nothing wrong with ladies with a little extra something-something, but I couldn't help but comment on Mad Dog's love for that Big Bertha Butt.

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  37. Well, they followed it up by booking him against a WRESTLING PIRATE the next month...over a stolen jacket.

    Bret had so earned that title by the end of the year.

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  38. While I agree with you on the lack of good usage on the roster (Jarrett had quit the company the month before), I still think the show was good enough to survive the main event. When I watched the whole show for the first time a few years ago, I was totally satisfied by the time the main rolled around. Even that match couldn't kill it for me.

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  39. I would've loved a Kane vs. Bret Hart match in 1997.

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  40. If anything, we would end up cheering Stalin's dentist. He may have been in on Stalin's death.

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  41.  In both your cases you're talking about WAAAAY more than one person, or even Scott Hall, could consume by themselves and then it just defeats the point.

    Incidentally I think I might have accidentally done bath salts the other night. I've always had bad impulse control when it comes to asking what stuff is before putting it up my nose.

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  42. I've always figured the Keith Richars of wrestling was Jake.  Maybe he's the Ozzy Osbourne of wrestling.

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  43. Bleak, but true.

    Like the hypocrite I am, I find it thoroughly wondrous that Lemmy of Motorhead fame was told by doctors that under no circumstances should he stop drinking and smoking, lest he die almost instantaneously. 

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  44.  The one thing that annoyed me is all of a sudden, they made him extremely ethnic, like something out of a Mel Brooks movie pretty much.

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  45. Kane in 97 was still kind of wonky in the ring. Now the 2001 version of Kane vs Bret would have been awesome.

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  46. Why was Skip being punished?

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  47. I believe that the plan was for him to stay face and feud with the Bulldog.

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  48. Yeah.....only to drop it to Shawn just a couple of months later at Wrestlemania

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  49. Thanks, I'll likely give it a read in a few days. I still stand by the possibility of a Scott Sez version, though. :)

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  50. The thing with the clique was that in the long run, they were right. They might have been jerks, they might have buried guys (legit reasons or not), they might have looked out for one another, but in the end they were right. They pushed for the show to have more of an edge. They wanted to drop the goofy gimmicks. They wanted to take it away from the old wrestling cartoon show and turn it into what eventually became the Attitude Era. I know Bret Hart's more popular online, and backstage, but if Bret Hart had his way the WWF would've been a show about Bret Hart defending the WWF Championship until the day he retired. They dumped Bret, went in the adult direction, hit the most successful era the company has ever seen, and Shawn Michaels goes down as one of, if not they, greatest wrestlers in history. Oh, and Nash and Hall lead the revolutionary angle that actually made WCW #1 for a while there. Say what you will about them but they weren't wrong. 

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  51. Jesus, I thought Scott got rid of these spamming trolls.

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  52. I always found the gimmick/character distinction to be tough to sort. Evil Brother. Is that a character? Or a gimmick? The way I figured it is that if a guy shows up and we're supposed to like him for no other reason that what he does (hard working garbage man) than he's a gimmick. I'd say Kane is a character. He's someone's brother, he has a backstory, he has motivations. He doesn't have an occupation that leads to him disliking someone with a different occupation. Something like Doink is tougher to define. I'd say gimmick because they never really gave any background or motivation as to why he was an evil clown. Or why he became a friendly clown.

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  53. Totally agree, Luger could have good matches depending on the opponents and atmosphere. He also had some good outings with Shawn Michaels, Jeff Jarrett, Bam Bam Bigelow and Bret Hart.

    His two main flaws were his own laziness and usually getting paired with horrible workers.

    I mean, Bret Hart couldn't have even had good matches with the likes of King Kong Bundy and the Harris Brothers, how did anybody expect Luger to?

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  54. Yeah, nowadays he tears both of his quads just from tweeting about how his WCW booking run was a huge success that got undermined by the corrupt incompetence of the Turner/Time Warner higher-ups.

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  55. They could have even done Luger vs Diesel as a face/ face match and it would have been a huge improvement over Mabel in the main event. That could have at least had the fun dynamic of Luger being the pure all American face while Diesel represented an edgier variety of good guy. Bull-dog's intereference would have been the wildcard. Of course The Great Kahli would go on to wrestle for the title twice at Summerslam so I guess the company was able to use Mable's shot to permanently lower the bar.

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  56. The Horowitz/Skip match is everything I miss about the WWF days. Listen to Vince's commentary in this match, aside from all the usual Vince-isms, he was talking about how Barry Horowitz "hopes to win a contract with the WWF" with a victory. I miss the announcers talking up the matches like we're watching a legitimate sport, yes we watching at home know "wrestling is fake," you don't have to remind us over and over again that we're watching a TV show. And also Barry's theme... "Hava Nagila"...classichttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbwtUgGKOAo 

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  57. "This was set up because GOD HATES ME and wanted to see me suffer.  (No, that’s the three hour RAW era.)"

    No that's your time when you recapped Thunder IN 2000.

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  58. I'd tell you what I was going to say in the comments, but you'll have to go to Wrestleline for the full analysis.

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  59. So I looked up the original Horowitz upset on YouTube, it wasn't there, so I checked out Skip/Horowitz from Summerslam.  In the pre-match intro, Todd Pettengill does some shilling that even Michael 'Tout' Cole would find egregious.

    "Now Skip and Sunny look to Stridex out that imperfection on their flawless records!"

    Stridex, of course, was Summerslam's sponsor that year.  I have no words.

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  60. "Mr. Burns, you have....well, everything."

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  61. It's unfortunate the fates were not aligned, brother.

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  62. I know around this time, there was a confrontation with Candido and Michaels. That's what I thought was the issue.

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  63. "(Geez, this guy’s worse than Tout.)" 

    Yeah maybe, but the payoff was a lot better than a crappy TOUT video. 

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  64. That figures, though this was the only time that Candido had any sort of heat on his own while in the WWF. Rest of the time all the heat was for Sunny.

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  65. "once described by Bret Hart as the place you'd have to stick the hose if you wanted to give America an enema."

    Wasn't that Kurt Angle? Or did Kurt rip off Bret for that line?

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  66.  I want to wear that shit like a gas mask..

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  67. Roderick Strong vs. Mike Mondo ***1/2 - awesome match

    Matt Taven vs. Q.T. Marshall vs. Antonio Thomas vs. Vinny Marselgia **
    Adam Cole vs. Brutal Bob Evans in a non-title match **
    Michael Elgin vs. Charlie Haas **1/2

    Mark & Jay Briscoe vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Steve Corino ***1/4

    Jay Lethal vs. Tommaso Ciampa in a 2/3 fall match ***1/4 - the torn acl.. work?? shoot??
    Eddie Edwards & Sara Del Rey vs. Mike Bennett & Maria Kanellis ***
    KEVIN STEEN~! vs. Eddie Kingston for the ROH title ***3/4 - i bought the kingston injury until he hit Steen with that 1st worked punch.. well done..

    Steen decking the fan is what pro wrestling is missing.. looked like an open hand slap ala Dr. D but i can't rewind the show and fear the footage will be cut when ROH reposts the show.. shades of Freddie Blassie being stabbed and whatnot.. good shit.. fine show..

    UFC 150 was solid.. enjoyed the main event, the Guillard/Cerone fight, and Okami's victory..

    and the giants gained a game on the Dodgers and retook sole control of first place.... a fine Saturday afternoon..

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  68.  Boiling Point was a fun, if odd, show.  I also think you WAY over rated that first match, but i'm pretty much with you everywhere else

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  69.  But they were wrong as fuck about a lot of guys and whether or not they had "it"  See Rock, The

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  70.  Maybe I hate the show, because of the ppvs before. I hated the Rumble, because the rumble itself was only 30 minutes and the arena was too small. I hated Wrestlemania, because it had only 7 matches and LT vs Bam Bam as main event. I hated the KOTR even more because of the Mabel and Savio Vega push. And then came the Summe Slam, where we had matches in the past like Warrior vs Savage, Hart vs Bulldog, Luger vs Yokozuna, Bret vs Owen, LOD vs Money Inc, Razor vs Diesel... and we got the worst of the worst they could offer for this card with HHH vs Holly, Smoking Gunns vs Blu Twins, Skip vs Horowitz, Isaac Yankem and MABEL in the Main Event! At the IYH before they had Owen & Yoko vs Bulldog & Luger and Diesel vs Sid. THAT were the kind of matches I wanted to see at Summer Slam. Not Mabel, and not Bob Holly and not Isaac Yankem.

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  71. Definitely a Bret line.

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  72. Wrestlers punching fans at ringside is what wrestling is missing? O...k.

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  73.  Here's the original win: VQ's kinda rough, but it exists.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8cB01ANFk

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  74.  that post is like the cliffnotes version of American history.  The United States wanted freedom.  We fought for independence, invented everything, made our people wealthy, won two world wars, won the cold war and now are the number one nation in the world.  Much like your assessment of the kliq, there is a wee bit more in that story.

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  75.  It was Bret.  I remember seeing that episode of RAW.

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  76. The Kliq helped groom HHH in terms of his mentality for wrestling. So they are to blame for his past, present and most likely, future, reigns of terror.

    So as a wrestling fan, I say fuck the Kliq.

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  77. Speaking of the Kliq, one thing I never understood is the Undertaker's status on them. Was he not a "locker room leader" yet? Or did they not find him a threat because he was off in his own world, wrestling giants and big stiffs? Taker didn't really get into the mainstream storylines until he faced Bret at RR96 (although he had the odd foray into them once or twice a year).

    Maybe he just didn't care since he was off so much anyway.

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  78. That's actually a good question, and I've been wondering the same thing myself. The only thing I recall is that UT was the only person in the locker room that could keep Shawn in check when needed (intimidation, not politics), but I don't recall hearing any stories about that except during the post-Curtain Call era. '94-'95 era Kliq dominance, however... you got me.

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  79. "We call it Three Stooges Syndrome."

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  80. I think he's saying that the element of unpredictable craziness is missing. I don't know if beating up random people accomplishes that goal. It'd be better if it was a relative to Kingston or something, I don't know, make it personal...

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  81. I'm okay with the educated guess that when Undertaker returned in 1994, he was the man in the locker room. There was so much turnover between 1992-1994 that it would only make sense that The Undertaker would be the guy that people would look up to when the new crop of stars appeared.

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  82. Except that's completely wrong. The point of the Kliq was "we hog all the main event spots by working with each other only and only we make the big dollars". Bret's mindset was "everyone deserves to make money if they can earn it."

    And that successful era was thanks to guys like The Rock and Steve Austin, guys the Kliq didn't want to work with.

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  83. For my 1000th comment...

    I think Jake reminds me of Alice Cooper. Perfect pairing...they dig snakes, they're not bad at golf, and they seem to have eternal life.

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  84. Up until this, I totally forgot they actually had the balls to run The Great Khali and Triple H for the WWE Title at Summerslam.

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  85. LOL. Alright, have at it brother.

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  86. Which makes you wonder about the future of the wrestling biz. If there is a strong Kliq influence, and it seems like there is...(Nash coming back briefly, HBK getting offered a job, X-Pac showing up on a couple of TV appearances)...

    The question then becomes...who's going to be held down next? What miscalculation will they make that will cost them business?

    The short-term answer? Brock Lesnar.

    Even if Shawn Michaels throws in the towel (as I suspect will happen), it's NOT A FUCKING PIN.

    That's the thing, like Michael Bolton says in the movie "Office Space" ..."I always mess up some mundane detail.." The Kliq, and WWE in general, FUCK UP the the most mundane detail that would be the difference between "Clean" and "Questionable". LAY THE FUCK DOWN CLEANLY.

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  87. How could you not love the comedy stylings of the Jewish straight man setting up the lines for the Japanese guy who doesn't speak English well?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84ynz_hakushi-barry-vs-skip-rad_sport 

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  88. What happened to Rosie? She had a can of soda in TNA and vanished.

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  89.  I didn't watch because it just seemed like a house show that they figured, ah fuckit, put it on iPPV. Nothing really out of the ordinary happened. I'm not gonna lie though I was hoping for more out of the Briscoes vs. S.C.U.M. match.

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  90.  Shawn (and his ghostwriter) talk about Taker in his book, he just really had a lot of respect and a little bit of fear for the guy and the way he carried himself, and they just knew not to fuck with him. Plus Vince loved the character and wouldn't hold him down anyway.

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  91. I think they had taped some stuff already, but Luger jumped to WCW the following night or week. What made the Monday Night Wars good was when they first started, you could have a guy from one promotion show up in another and it almost was a instant push depending on the promoter. Having Luger on Nitro was a coup. Seeing Hall and Nash show up six months later was a even bigger coup. I would still have loved seeing Luger turning heel and putting the USA trunks back on and hanging out with the outsiders.

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