Greetings.
Today we have a question from Farva, regarding organized athletics. Or as you may know it "sports"
I actually don't have an answer, because outside of pro-wrestling, I'm not into sports. Although, there was a period when I was really into arm-wrestling, and seeing Lincoln Hawk go over the top in Las Vegas was incredible! That was a hell of a tournament. I do like to hear stories or watch specials on passionate sports fans, because they take that shit deathly serious.
How say you?
Also, for anyone who digs True Blood, I do a review every week. So if you're interested in finding out what the Caliber man thinks about the going ons in Bon Temps, you can get my latest review here
Today we have a question from Farva, regarding organized athletics. Or as you may know it "sports"
"Caliber, hope all is well. Haven't had any sports QOTDs so figured I'd send one in. What's the most ecstatic and most depressed you've ever been after a sporting event?
Spending summers in New England, my most depressing was the Aaron Boone home run in game 7 vs the Yankees. Just fucking heart breaking as a Red Sox fan. Close second is the Eagles losing at home to the Bucs as favorites in NFC title game.
Best moment was the Sox winning game 7 vs the Yankees the next year. Not only had they come back from an 0-3 defecit but it was vs the Yankees. Just awesome.
OfficerFarva "
I actually don't have an answer, because outside of pro-wrestling, I'm not into sports. Although, there was a period when I was really into arm-wrestling, and seeing Lincoln Hawk go over the top in Las Vegas was incredible! That was a hell of a tournament. I do like to hear stories or watch specials on passionate sports fans, because they take that shit deathly serious.
How say you?
Also, for anyone who digs True Blood, I do a review every week. So if you're interested in finding out what the Caliber man thinks about the going ons in Bon Temps, you can get my latest review here
Reverse Farva's answers for me. Fucking Sawx.
ReplyDeleteDepressed--When Terry Porter called PI against UM in the Fiesta Bowl in 2003.
ReplyDeleteEcstatic--Jeremy Shockey catches the game winning td against FSU in 2000/the entire 2002 Rose Bowl.
Ecstatic was Tracy Porter intercepting Peyton Manning to win Super Bowl 44 for the Saints. A close second would be Tracy Porter intercepting Brett Favre in the NFC Championship the game before.
ReplyDeleteDepressed was that whole week in January of last year when LSU decided that Jordan Fucking Jefferson was their best choice to play QB for the National Championship, then the Saints lost to the 49ers the following Saturday in the playoffs.
Francisco Cabrera/Sid Beam Game 7 1992 NLCS
ReplyDeleteClose second Game 6 1995 World Series
I liked that NO team but lost a lot of money picking the Vikings to cover that game. The Favre pick was a terrible play but it was that fucking 5 yard penalty right before that for too many men on the field is what killed them.
ReplyDeleteAs a Torontonian, this is easy.
ReplyDeleteEcstatic: Jays winning the World Series.
Depressed: Leafs eliminated by Kings in Game 7 of Conference Finals. Gretzky bloodied Gilmour with no penalty called.
Depressed:
ReplyDelete1. Referees buy into Lute Olsen's bullshit whining about Illinois being too physical, call roughly 493 fouls in 2001 Elite Eight. Arizona beats No. 1 seed Illinois- the first Illinois team in 12 years that had a legit shot at a national title. We'll get back to Illinois/Arizona, don't you worry.
2. Not a game result, but Eric Gordon decommits from Illinois and commits to Indiana. This was the biggest kick in the nuts in the history of Illinois basketball. I can't even begin.
3. Derrick Rose tears his ACL in the first game of the 2012 NBA playoffs.
4. Super Bowl XLI, Bears v. Colts. Fucking Rex Grossman. With a slightly-above-average QB- your garden variety Joe Flacco- that Bears team is a top 10 all-time team and kills that Colts team. (Tommy Harris and Mike Brown being healthy would've also done it.)
5. Penn State 35, Illinois 31 in 1994. I was at this one and was 11 years old. Penn State was No. 1 in the country, but we were up 21-0 after the first quarter and still up 10 going into the 4th. Penn State gets the ball at their own 4 with a little over 4:00 left and Kerry fucking Collins takes them the length of the field for the win with about 30 seconds left.
Ecstacy:
1. Illinois 90, Arizona 89 (OT) in 2005 Elite Eight. Down 75-60 with 4:04 left, one of the greatest comebacks in college basketball history commenced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTbE4eC-AIc
2. White Sox win 2005 World Series.
3. Behind a flawless performance from Juice Williams, Illinois beats No. 1 Ohio State in the Horseshoe 28-21. After a blowout over Northwestern the following week, Illini earn a Rose Bowl bid for the first time in 24 years. (Only to get blown out by USC, but oh well. At the time, we thought it was the start of huge things to come in the Ron Zook era. Fuck.)
4. The Bulls titles all kinda run together, but MJ over Russell in '98 and Paxson's jumper to beat Phoenix in '93 stand out.
5. Blackhawk's 2010 and 2013 Stanley Cup wins.
Most ecstatic: Seeing Kevin Garnett win an NBA title
ReplyDeleteMost depressed watching John Starks shoot the Knicks out of an NBA title.
Being a dirty foreigner on here..... with no concept or clue about American sports I have NO appreciation for any of the comments below though I'm sure they are all valid. We really should have made this a split blog question one side Americans can discuss, the other side 'The rest of the world' can discuss their fave/worst sporting moments.
ReplyDeleteWrestling may bring us together, but our real sports very much seperate us again.
Top moment for me was when the Tampa Bay Lightning won game 7 of the 2004 Stanley Cup finals. First and only time a team I cheer for has ever won a championship.
ReplyDeleteDisappointing was Milwaukee Brewers losing Game 6 of the NL Championship series in 2011. Was bummed out for weeks. Someday brew-crew, someday.
Man, I had to go back and look at the box score from that 01 Zona game, all I remember was Brian Cook getting hosed early with a few quick ones and playing like 9 minutes. Fucking SIX Illini guys fouled out.
ReplyDeleteThat Terry Porter BS still depresses me. What a fucking joke that was.
ReplyDeleteI still think the '01 Canes are the best college football team ever.
ReplyDeleteNothing is more distressing than supporting England in any international football (soccer) tournament
ReplyDeleteI agree, that PI call was so fucking awful.
ReplyDeleteAs a Dodgers/Chargers fan, those two haven't really been in a position to break my heart just yet. But the San Antonio Spurs seem to give me one to even every championship they win:
ReplyDelete--Derek Fisher's 0.4 shot in the '04 WCF (right after Tim Duncan hit a miracle shot to take the lead)
--Manu's stupid foul on Dirk that allowed the Mavs to win the '06 WCF
--And the worst one, the one that still hurts right now, the Spurs gagging the five point lead with less than a minute to go in Game 6 against the Heat. That still fucking hurts.
The most ecstatic though are all the championships they've won in the last 14 years. And they have resiliency, because they won the title the year after the first two heartbreaks I listed, so here's hoping the third time brings more good fortune. Also, when Man U beat Chelsea in the Champions League on PKs, with John Terry sending his somewhere into space....oh man, that was fucking awesome. Everyone in the pub drank the night away, I tell you that, grown men were dancing on tables, one dude bought EVERYONE in the bar a shot (that's close to 100 shots), we were chanting for a long time after the match....awesome day.
Top moments in sports in my life:
ReplyDelete1. Red Sox FINALLY winning the WS, but really, the comeback against the NYY down 0-3 was even more remarkable and truly the top moments. Bloody sock says it all.
2. Spain winning the World Cup. Originally from there and moved to the US when I was a kid. For as long as I can remember, Spain was always the team with talent that either choked or got ripped off by the refs, but never even sniffed a final. After suffering for 30+ years, it was an ecstatic feeling watching them win, specially since the winning score came in OT.
3. Though I've been a Heat fan from the teams inception, as a kid, I was a hardcore Celtics and Larry Bird fan. The 1984 finals were great. Finally beating the Lakers and as an 11 year old, it felt like the greatest thing ever.
4. Game winning drive. Rothlisberger to Santonio Holmes. Steelers over Arizona. SB win.
The worst?
1. 1986 Bill Buckner.
2. 2001 NC, Miami-Ohio St. (UM got ripped off!!)
3. 2003 Aaron Boone.
4. South Korea world cup, Spain gets robbed in OT.
5. Steelers lose at home to the SD Chargers in the AFC Championship. I still picture Alfred Pupunu running down the sidelines for the TD.
Yeah, that roster is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteThat shit sucked. I remember drowning my sorrows in about 8 billion Natty Lites that evening b/c that's all I could afford at the time.
ReplyDeleteMost Illini fans are far more likely to bitch about the refs in the '05 title game against UNC, with Sean May (hereby known as "fuck Sean May" in these parts) running wild and James Augustine playing nine minutes and fouling out.
ReplyDeleteObviously the national title game is a way huger deal than the Elite Eight, but that Arizona game was the real screwjob. (In a wonderful bit of schadenfreude, Zona fans would be the ones bitching after the '05 Elite Eight game. Which, yeah, there should've been a foul called on the steal that led to Deron's game-tying three in regulation.)
But I never had a big problem with the refs in the UNC game. Augie was playing hurt and that team's one weakness was not having a physical big guy to deal with a bull like May.
You must be too young to remember the 1988 Dodgers. I wasn't a fan, per say, but I hated the Mets (Red Sox fan, still sour over the 86 series) and damn if that team wasn't magical.
ReplyDeleteThe opposite of your first one is I was depressed to see Keyshawn Johnson and Warren Sapp win a SB (doesnt help I like the Raiders). Just cause they could run their big yaps about that the rest of their lives.
ReplyDeleteI was at a bar in Plantation (FL) and the bar erupted, people were throwing beer in the air thinking WE HAD WON! Then...well, you know the rest.
ReplyDeleteI was there for every home game in 01 and nothing will touch the atmosphere for the Washington game. Everyone was primed to watch UM stomp UW in return for the 00 game we lost.
ReplyDeleteThat Spurs/Dallas WCF series is one of the all time underrated series. I've always been a Duncan fan but fuck they choked. As good as their run has been, I think they were the best team that year and it would have been the second in a three peat if I'm remembering correctly.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the 99-02 run was magical. I went to the VT game at the old Orange Bowl where UM won something like 47-20. Those rosters were insane.
ReplyDeleteI was living in Atlanta at the time and was actually going through a pretty rough time personally. I remember I worked two double shifts at the job I had then just so I could get off early for that night and see the game. When I thought we won, I thought, "well things kind of suck now but at least this is cool!" And yeah, we all know where it went from there.
ReplyDeleteI was 2 in 1988, so I can't really count that as part of my life no matter how many times I watch the series on tape or ESPN Classic.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. As good as that 05 Illini team was I just thought UNC was the best team that year. Loaded with NBA talent, although most of them turned out to be busts at the next level...looking at you McCants.
ReplyDeleteI had completely forgetting about the 01 Zona/Illini game till you brought it up. Shocked to look back at it and see 6 Illini guys had fouled out.
That one was great as well. I remember we got to the stadium at like 6:30 am to start tailgating. One of my friends knew the cops who policed the lots around the OB and they let us get there early. Do you still go games? I try to make it back for at least one or two home games a year and drive to any games close to me (UVa as I live in C'Ville, VT, MD, UNC, NCST, Duke, Wake are all games I go to).
ReplyDeleteMost ecstatic: Walking around the concourse of USCF for 30 minutes hugging seemingly 40,000 other White Sox fans after Scott Podsednik's walk-off HR in Game 2 of the 2005 World Series.
ReplyDeleteMost depressed: Chris Campoli's failed pass leading to the winning goal for the Canucks over the Blackhawks in game 7 of the 2011 first round after the Hawks came back from down 3 games to none. Or Collingwood losing to Brisbane in the 2002 AFL Grand Final. Both sucked. But the AFL one sucked at 2AM, so that's extra sucky.
I was really into baseball in my teens. In 1988, I was 14, so i was all over this and the Red Sox won the division that year, so that added to it. I can tell you from living it that no one thought the Dodgers had a chance against the Mets and certainly not against the A's. Hershiser was simply "da man".
ReplyDeleteI remember hating when Duke beat UNLV in 91. I couldn't stand Laettner. I wasn't a UNLV fan but growing up in ACC country, I just learned to hate Duke and UNC.
ReplyDeleteMost depressed: In a week's time when the Bombers are stripped of their premiership points :(
ReplyDeleteMost ecstatic: Australia qualifying for the World Cup (Aloisi's penalty)
Bombers in 2000
Agar's 98 runs a couple of weeks ago was a special moment as well
Best: Aaron Boone 2003 ALCS Game 7. Yankees got their comeuppance the next year.
ReplyDeletePats winning Super Bowl 36
Celtics winning 2008 NBA Title
Worst: Game 7 2004 ALCS
Super Bowl 42
Deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis. Boned the Celtics for many years to come.
I was going to go to some games last year, but that defense was so depressing, I decided not to. Word is that next year's class, with the commits already in, is going to be top 5. I think Golden is going to turn it around, he's mining Florida hard.
ReplyDeleteFor me the most depressing was game 7 Yankees D-Backs 01. Not even close. The 04 ALCS actually wasn't that terrible because at least with that you could see it coming.
ReplyDeleteMost ecstatic? The obvious answer would be one of the Yankees 5 World Series titles or Giants 3 Superbowl wins. that I have witnessed, (I was one year to young for the 86 one.) But in terms of pure in the moment excitement and joy I am going to go with game 2 Yankees vs Mariners 95 ALDS, and the Yankees winning on a Jim Leyritz in the 15th. I was at that game and it's still the best game I have ever seen live, (and maybe ever period) There were moments during that game in which I was shaking almost controllably from excitement.
You didn't find blowing a 3-0 lead depressing? ;-)
ReplyDeleteI'd like to add that the Celtics losing out on Tim Duncan because of the stupid lottery set the franchise back pretty bad as well.
ReplyDeleteYeah the D was atrocious last year. We had quite a few guys injured though and they were forced to play a lot of freshmen. Plus some of the older guys just weren't any good. I think we'll be a lot better this year. All of the young guys in the secondary have more experience now and Perryman and Porter are healthy. Them being out for stretches last year killed the D as Perryman calls all the shots on D and Porter anchors the D-Line.
ReplyDeleteScotty Pods!
ReplyDeleteI'm jealous you were there for that. We watched Game 1 the night before at our Illinois football tailgate. Illinois was typically terrible and playing a night game against Penn St. We were already planning on leaving early to set up the dish to watch Game 1 outside out motor home, but being down 28-3 after one quarter made it a real easy call. Holy shit, was that fun. We probably had 40-50 people we didn't even know gathered around at our tailgate watching that game.
Funny to think that Illinois had the guy (Deron Williams) who turned out to be by far the best pro in that game.
ReplyDeleteBut that's why that game wasn't on my depressed list: Illinois has a rich hoops history but we aren't UNC, Duke, Kentucky, etc. Two all-time great teams played a classic game, and it's a shame someone had to lose. What's more upsetting is when I see good-but-not-great teams that the '05 Illini would have torn apart win it all; looking at you, '10 Duke, '11 UConn and '13 Louisville.
2004 was a hard pill to swallow, but 2001 is tough, too, coming just two months after 9/11. A Yankees win would have been nice.
ReplyDeleteThat 96 Braves team should've won it man. I was rooting so hard for them as they were my NL team for so many years before we had baseball in Miami. Growing up watching NWA/WCW on TBS, you kinda had to root for the lowly Braves until they suddenly became great.
ReplyDeleteAnother awesome series was the '91 series.
Not sure I would agree with your last sentence, but I was saying in addition to.
ReplyDeleteOctober 2005 was the best month of my life. That March my friend and I decided we liked the moves the Sox made that offseason so we decided to go in on full season tickets. I think I got to about 60 games plus every postseason game that year. Worth every penny.
ReplyDeleteIt was a fucking joke. As bad as that PI was, I felt just as terrible watching Willis slice up his knee in that game. I still thought they'd cover (think they were favored by like 13.5) but just felt bad for him personally. Potential top 5 pick, losing out on millions and the chance to play in a national title game).
ReplyDeleteOh very depressing. I drank heavily after game 7. Just not AS bad as you would imagine and 01 was still much much worse.
ReplyDeleteI've only really seen my sports teams fuck up so I have a long agony list. Like any 5 game playoff series the Oakland a's have played this century where they lose game 5 in the worst ways ever. Watching the warriors give monta Ellis a 6 year was agonizing too.
ReplyDeleteMy greatest joy as a sports fan was probably when baron Davis and captain Jack knocked off a 67 win mavs team, specifically the insane game 4 and the game 6 blow out in oracle. Unfortunately that was followed by my most agonizing sports loss ever, losing game 2 of the 2nd round to Utah in overtime. I'll always hate Carlos boozer and deron for that five game ass kicking. Say what you will about dwill but he ate baron Davis for lunch in the playoffs in barons prime. If the splash bros had beat the spurs that would have been #1 but even with Curry's injury you had to feel good abouttthat season
You must really hate Curt Schilling.
ReplyDeleteI hated that too. Willis went on to have a pretty good career anyway but I felt like he could've been a lot better. He was gaining momentum (tm Michael Cole!!!) after our O-line settled down a bit and then bam, knee shredded.
ReplyDeleteAnd the guy is a douchebag on top of everything else.
ReplyDeleteI love him for the bloody sock game, and really, he was very productive as a Red Sox; but yes, he's a giant douche.
ReplyDeleteLast season, in a cup game, at Coventry City losing 2-1 as we head into stoppage time when we score an equaliser to send the crowd into raptures. Just after they kick off to run out the last seconds, we steal the ball off them and our new signing scores to send Coventry into the semi-final and Preston North End home in tears. 30,000 people all share a simultaneous orgasm.
ReplyDeleteThe next round we are losing 3-0 at home at half time. Biggest let down ever. We gave up without a fight and our record-breaking crowd shuffled out in silence.
I'm a 49ers fan so that's given me lots offgreat memories outside of the Alex smith era but the most excited I've ever been over a win was when Steve Young FINALLY beat the packers in the playoff after losing three times in a row to them on a last second pass to TO who had been dropping passes all day. When they scored that TD it was my biggest mark out ever
ReplyDeleteTry being a Liverpool fan on top of that! It's a constant rollercoaster.
ReplyDeleteLiverpool winning the Champions League from 3-0 down against AC Milan in 2005... nuff said nothing will ever top that moment!
ReplyDeleteDepressing moment, anytime England ever play.
Oh mate, I'm an Arsenal supporter - heart attacks every season. Please give us Suarez?
ReplyDeleteMan, did you think D Will was gonna turn into a max contract NBA guy? I didn't watch aton of Illini games that year but I thought he'd be a serviceable NBA starter, with good size for his position. Remember thinking he was a system guy who lacked the elite athleticism to really make an NBA impact. Boy was I wrong. Was floored when all the talking heads were saying him and CP3 were a wash as far as projecting as an NBA player.
ReplyDeleteSo I'm assuming you switched from the Celtics to the heat in 1988 for the kevin Edwards/Ronnie seikaley era, or is it possible you only root for them when they sign dudes from other teams and have a good 4 year run :p
ReplyDeleteEngland winning the Euros or the WC would top that moment in a heartbeat and you know it. ;-)
ReplyDeleteYou must've gone crazy when Young FINALLY beat the Cowboys as well.
ReplyDelete" Say what you will about dwill"
ReplyDeleteHere's what I'll say: when he's healthy he's still as good as any PG in the game and regularly eats CP3's lunch head to head.
But I'm an insanely biased Illinois fan.
ha ha, no. I slowly stopped being a Celtics fan when the guys I loved started retiring (Bird, DJ, the Chief, McHale). The Heat were a harmless expansion team. By 92, I was pretty much all in with the Heat. Despite the bitter series between the Celtics and Heat, I still don't hate the Celtics and rooted for them in the '08 series against your Lakers.
ReplyDeleteI'm from KC and a Chiefs fan, so pick any of the Schottenheimer failures in the 90's, or Peyton carving up Greg Robinson's horrible defense during the 2003 playoffs. That was Vermeil's third year (same year he won the Super Bowl with the Rams) and we started 9-0. Losing to the Colts in the 95 divisional round (with home field advantage) sucked, too. Lin Fucking Elliott.
ReplyDeleteNon-KC related, I was heartbroken when the Giants beat the Pats in Super Bowl XLII, spoiling the perfect season. I think it's because I am so tired of the 1972 Dolphins acting as if they are the greatest team ever, just because they went undefeated. Yes, that is a worthy accomplishment, and even NFL Films ranked them #1 during that "America's Game" countdown, but really, if they had lost even one game, would they even be in the Top 10? The 1973 team was better, and lost twice.
I also hated Aaron Boone's home run, because I was just so sick and tired of the Yankees winning every year. Having the Royals as my hometown team doesn't help, either.
Not as crazy. The 1994 9ers were loaded up and they had just gotten Norton jr from dallas and deion from atl. They had the best secondary ever. We all knew Dallas was going down and they even beat them easily in the season. The green bay win was very unexpected which made it better
ReplyDeleteNope not for real football fans, club footie always always takes priority over Internationals. It's the bread and butter of the sport. It's played for 9-10 months of the year every year, the World Cup is every 4 years for a few weeks... it's just not the same.
ReplyDeleteWinning the world cup would be incredible but it's not as personal as your club team winning trophies.
Champions League > Premier League > World Cup
I'm an Illinois fan (obvious from my post, I know) and we were actually really good for once that year, finishing the regular season 10-1 and ranked No. 7 in the country heading into the bowls. (We got waxed by LSU in the Sugar Bowl.)
ReplyDeleteAnd I remember thinking- accurately- that we only had two guys (Brandon Lloyd and Eugene Wilson) who could've got on the field for that Miami team.
Highest point - Super Bowl XXXVI (Patriots wins!)
ReplyDeleteLowest point - tie between Game 6, 1993 Campbell Conference Finals (Gretzky doesn't get ejected) and Super Bowl XLII (Patriots blow perfect season, stupid fucking helmet catch)
I actually have the complete opposite thinking than that. Club footie has become a game of who has the most money. It's extremely impersonal at this point while there's more purity to the game at the international level.
ReplyDeleteMan, you might have seen the 04 collapse coming after a few Sox wins but after they got cock smacked at home in game 3 I thought they were just gonna roll over and die. I was hoping just to avoid the sweep at that point.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know he'd be THIS good, but I wasn't shocked. I thought he'd be Andre Miller.
ReplyDeleteI actually thought he was the opposite of a "system guy" because that was a pure motion that Weber ran with that team and he had to share the ball with two other All-American guards in Dee Brown and Luther Head. So he never got to run any of the pro-style pick-and-roll stuff in college that he was born to run.
I also knew he was more athletic than given credit for, because he had a body that didn't suggest NBA-caliber athleticism.
So I can't honestly say I thought he was a future superstar, but I knew he'd be a really good pro as far back as early in his sophomore season.
I'm a long suffering Arizona Cardinals fan and was living in Cedar Falls, Iowa (Kurt Warner's hometown) the year they made the Superbowl. All my friends were so excited when the Cards actually showed some promise early in the game. I told them not to get their hopes up because the Cards always find a way to blow it. Sadly, I was right.
ReplyDeleteLong suffering? They started playing there in 1988...
ReplyDeleteHighest point: Probably Tony Stewart winning the Sprint Cup in 2011. That or the Avalanche winning the Stanley Cup in 2001.
ReplyDeleteLowest point: 1999 Stanley Cup finals. I was there in person, worst experience of my life. Fucking choke artists, all of them...
That's being nice about it.
ReplyDeleteYeah I never understood why he's an afterthought to Paul and why guys like Rondo and Parker are ranked ahead of him. CP3 to my understanding has won one playoff series in his whole career, while D will has been out of the first round 3 times and even got to the conference finals in the year I was talking about (and played great against san antonio). Plus he's at least always in the playoffs expect for when he was traded mid season to the nets. I think he's gonna have a major year this year.
ReplyDeleteHowever I never considered him in contention for the best pg in the nba after he couldn't get past derek fisher in the 2008 playoffs. I though the lakers were gonna have to put kobe on him but Fisher D'd him up and that made no sense.
High Point: "It's Good! It's Good!" (Patriots: 2001)
ReplyDeleteLow Point: Tyree. 2007
Welcome to the Alex Smith era my friend, thanks for the 33rd pick in the draft. Trust me that sack of shit wouldn't have been worth the 33333333th pick in the draft. Do you like a guy that underthrows everything and takes forever to make a throw? Did you know he didn't complete one pass to a wide receiver in the 2011 NFC title game? Did you know your team has a ceiling of 6-10?
ReplyDeleteThat was a great game! What are you talking about? I wouldn't be ashamed to be a Cardinals fan that day.
ReplyDeletePS - how many of us are new-englanders here? Between this forum and 411mania I'm starting to think 90 percent of the IWC is based in New England.
ReplyDeleteI've seen United win countless leagues and cups, but never England win anything - so that would actually be a bigger moment for me I have to say.
ReplyDeleteIt's not even close. CP is a much better all around player than DWill. D Will can't play defense. He may be a touch better scorer, but he's supposed to be a PG.
ReplyDeleteTwenty five years of failure is a long time, my friend. Especially when you consider that's 75% of my life that I've been watching them lose.
ReplyDeleteIvan Drago killing Apollo Creed
ReplyDeleteIm a warriors fan dude, but when your team sucks you have to have a back up. The lakers have been mine since Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel but I always support the warriors first. But its hard to be as into the nba as I am and have your fucking team be in the lottery year after year. So I stay in state and hope the lakers do well when the warriors suck
ReplyDeleteWell, they went to the SB in '07, so that's not even 20 years. My point is, there are other franchises that have it much worse and truly fit the definition of "long suffering".
ReplyDeleteThe Browns and the Lions off the top of my head.
No its close. CP is not a much better all around player. He's a better player but not by much. And Williams has proven to be far more durable. Paul is much more aesthetically pleasing to watch but he's never played as well in the playoffs as Williams
ReplyDeleteHighest: 2008, Giants beat the undefeated Pats and prevent the perfect season.
ReplyDeleteLowest: 2008, being at the last ever game at Shea Stadium. All the Mets had to do was beat the mediocre Marlins. To end the regular season at Shea on a high note as well as make the playoffs. Instead they lost 2-0, ending their season and the Shea era.
Perhaps but Shilling is old and broke and besides most of my sports venom is directed towards A-Rod these days.
ReplyDeleteAside from 3-pt shooting percentage, Chris Paul is better in every statistical measurement you can think of. In fact, he's even a better rebounder!
ReplyDeleteTake Williams off Brooklyn and put in Chris Paul and they don't lose to a broken down Bulls in game 7.
There's not 1 NBA expert or former player that I have ever heard refer to DWill as a better PG than Paul. Not one.
I agree. It is tough to be a "good" fan when your team sucks every year. At least now, the Warriors are competitive. I still think they need a decent low post player, not sure David Lee is the solution.
ReplyDeleteHighest - Wales vs England in 93, 99 and this year or the first grand slam I was alive for in 05. Lions vs Australia in the last test a few weeks back was also pretty special.
ReplyDeleteLowest - England slamming us in the build up to the 2003 World Cup or Warburton's red card in the last World Cup
I don't think A-Rod will be around much longer.
ReplyDeleteYes, there are franchises that have been suffering longer. Heck, the Cubbies have been suffering for over a century. But that's not actually what I said. I said I was a long suffering fan. Again, when a team has been losing since you were in fifth grade and you now have kids in fifth grade, that's an eternity.
ReplyDeleteTheir career averages are almost identical, WIlliams gets 18 and 9, paul gets 19 and 10, they've both had two 20 and 10 seasons, Paul has a slightly better shooting percentage, however in the playoffs, in 11 more games (51 to 40) Williams is averaging 21.1 and 9.4 while Paul averages 20.9 and 9.5
ReplyDeleteBy the way Paul has some playoff clunkers, like when his hornets team got murdered in the first round by the nuggets.
In 2010 when Williams lost again to the Kobe/Paul lakers in the 2nd round he averaged 24 and 10. So while Paul is better to say "its not even close" is crazy. Its very close
I think this could be the best warriors team in my life time, if they can keep Bogut healthy and have Lee, fake AI and splash bros in the backcourt. It sucks they lost Jarret Jack though, he and Barnes were the entire bench
ReplyDeleteYou go back to 2009ish, and DWill/CP3 was a legitimate debate, to the point where it was the cover of an ESPN Magazine.
ReplyDeleteI'm as statistically-inclined as the next Hollinger disciple, but stats need to be taken into far more context in basketball than in baseball, obviously. CP3's PER in his NO days, for example, always got a big boost by how generous their hope scorekeeper was with assists; he was averaging something like 10.7 at home and 8.5 on the road, which is silly.
Chris Paul's rep as a defender is largely based on steals, which ignores how much he's gambled and missed. In Deron's younger days he was actually a better-than-average defender because his positional defense was excellent.
Rebounds? It's like three-point shooting for a center: like, the ninth thing I care about in a point guard. Especially in Deron's Utah days, it was a system thing: guards didn't crash the boards.
I think Deron/CP3 is a lot like Kobe/TMac: at their respective bests, it's a debate. One guy just stayed there longer: stayed healthier and had better teammates. (Though Deron was a lot healthier in the second half of this past season and was a killer again, so we'll see.)
I don't think Deron's better than CP3. Like I said, 3-4 years ago it was a debate. But it's closer than you think.
Either way, a healthy Derrick Rose is still the best point guard in basketball and (ugh, I hate saying this because I love advanced metrics, but basketball isn't baseball) the stat geeks who insist that it can't even be debated that CP3 is the best has become insufferable.
TGGI
ReplyDeleteDavid Lee is fine if you pair him with a dominant defensive center. Which, when healthy, Bogut is.
ReplyDeleteBecause I think I could get a post-up bucket or two on David Lee, and I'm 6'1", 235 pounds and almost 30 years old, and haven't been able to dunk for 12 years.
If Tmac ever did anything in the playoffs then maybe you can make that comparison
ReplyDeleteLee can get buckets and rebounds against any guy in the NBA, he's not a great defender but he is big and thats something that is always key.
ReplyDeleteOh, for sure. He's actually on my all-time "got my hopes up he was coming to Illinois" team with Eric Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Charlie Villanueva, Corey Maggette and Evan Turner. Very good scorer and rebounder. But he can't guard a chair.
ReplyDeleteI would think the down point in being a dodgers fan is going to any game around other dodgers fans. I like how you guys beat down a innocent dude and put him in coma, thats great, stay classy Dodgers! (Signed padres season ticket holder that hates all dodger fans)
ReplyDeleteHighest: 2008 NBA Finals. The Celtics finally ended two decades of choking.
ReplyDeleteLowest: 2009 NBA Playoffs. Excellent first round series with the Bulls notwithstanding, The Celtics reverted back to their old choking ways after they had an even more dominant regular season than the previous year. And don't even get me started on Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals.
At least LeBron James and Dwayne Wade have stepped it up since then and given me a second team to cheer for.
Yeah I mean at least he's not undersized so maybe as he gets older he can be more effective. I think he and Bogut are actually an interesting pair since they can cover for each others weaknesses
ReplyDeleteAgreed, they're a good match if they could stay healthy.
ReplyDelete3-4 years ago, that debate was legit, I agree. In the now, it's not. Even with the Clipps, CP's PER is top 10 while DWill barely makes top 20. I also don't agree on Rose mainly because I think he's out of position. He should be in the DWade role of SG that occasionally plays PG. He's not a PG, he's a shoot first type of guy.
ReplyDeleteWait, so the dodgers DIDN'T throw a parade for when their fans beat Brian Stow and put him in a coma?
ReplyDeleteToo small to gaurd any SG
ReplyDeleteWhat team was he ever on that should've done more? Maybe a couple of those good Rockets teams with him and Yao, but they never had a third piece and the West was loaded. He was a fucking superhero from '01-'03 in Orlando.
ReplyDeleteHe sucks at defense against PG or SG, so really, why not maximize him on offense?
ReplyDeleteBlew a 3-1 lead on Detroit and lost a 4/5 match up to Dwills jazz in 7 so theres two
ReplyDeleteSo pair him with another point guard? They sort of do that with Hinrich but they play KH at the 2 because he can play D. I think it might be a disaster to go small with Rose at the 2. Could fuck up that coach's whole defense. Rose is basically a much much better version of starbury
ReplyDeleteYes, 56,000 fans beat down Brian Stow and we're all proud of it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiN6yLiif-M
Basically. I'm sure the death threats his family got after were from the ones watching on tv since all the fans in the stadiums were busy resting from beating up a defenseless guy at the game with his kid
ReplyDeleteI'll take him over Matt Cassel, and I'll take Andy Reid over Todd Haley or Romeo Crennel, and ANYONE over Scott Pioli. I was scared to death that Reid and Dorsey were going to give him (Smith) an extension after the trade, since Pioli gave Cassel 6 years/$65 million as soon as Belichick sent him over in 2009. But we only have Smith through his old Niners deal through 2014 right now, so if he shits the bed, we can move on quickly. The QB draft class this year was awful - I don't think ANY of the QB's taken in this year's draft will be starting on an NFL team in 5 years. Alex Smith probably won't be, either, but I'll take him over any of the QB's in the draft.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't suck on defense. Really, there aren't many point guards you can point to and say "defensive stopper." There are guys like Rondo and CP3 that get reps as great defenders because of steals, but they aren't, really; the rules in the league today- and the preponderance of ridiculously athletic, gifted PGs- kind of preclude any PG from being great defensively. In any case, no system works on either end of the floor if the superstar isn't bought in, and Derrick does what he needs to do in Thibs' system for the Bulls to be great.
ReplyDeleteAlso don't agree that he isn't a point guard. Being a point guard isn't about being "pass-first." It's about getting the ball from Point A to Point B: Point A being where the ball is now in his hands, and Point B being where it needs to go. There's different ways to do it. For the Bulls, they need Derrick's shot creation. If you go back and watch Derrick in college or even high school, he wasn't a scoring machine. He was a more athletic Jason Kidd. I don't think he's "shoot first" in that he's a pure scorer who has the ball in his hands all the time. He's a guy who just does what needs to be done. For the majority of his pro career, that's been shot creation for the Bulls, with his playmaking for others deriving from that.
So I don't think he needs a "real" point guard to play next to to slide him over to the 2 in a combo guard, DWade-type role. He just needs someone else, anyone else, at any position who can also create. Even LeBron and MJ needed that.
Three depressing ones...
ReplyDelete* just a couple of months ago, when the Leafs blew a 4-2 lead with under two minutes to go against the Bruins in Game Seven.
* Mike Weir missing at least four key putts to blow the Canadian Open in 2004, a loss that seemed to ruin Weir's career
* Gordon Hayward's hail-mary three-pointer in the 2010 national basketball championship title game JUST failing to connect. Had it gone in, I would've won $5000 thanks to a random bet made before the tournament.
Three great ones...
* Any Canadian medal at an Olympic Games, especially in big events like hockey, track (Donovan Bailey) or figure skating....yes, figure skating is a big event, dammit!
* The Blue Jays winning the World Series in 1992 and 1993, the latter being especially incredible due to Carter's home run
* Mike Weir winning the Masters
You might take him over any QB in the draft, but if Matt Cassel played for the 2011 49ers they beat the giants. Dude he's that bad. I'm glad for the chiefs they only have him under contract for one year. Dude is a back up quaterback IF you put him on an awesome team with a great coach
ReplyDeleteDepressing: Two way tie: The Mets '99 playoff run ending on Kenny Rogers ball 4 against the Braves. And St Joe's losing to Oklahoma St in the last seconds in the 2003 Elite 8 (alum and in attendance...knowing they'd most likely never get a chance at a final 4 again).
ReplyDeleteEcstatic: Notre Dame beating USC this past season to finish the regular season unbeaten. Granted everything after that sucked as an ND fan but, whatever....great night.
The '91 series was one of the best series in any sport of all time and it was just the final icing on the cake to Kirby Puckett's excellent career.
ReplyDeleteI have to give props to the '90 World Series as well just because of how great it was to see the end of the A's dynasty. Canseco and McGwire had become so insufferably unlikeable by then that I actually found myself rooting for a team owned by an insane bigot to win the World Series and it was funny to see the sports media go into complete shock because everybody and their mother figured the A's would beat the Reds that year.
I still remember being crushed by that 94 PSU team coming back to beat Illinois and I'm just a PSU hater....my condolences, 19 years later.
ReplyDeleteA Detroit team that was the No. 1 seed. If it had gone back and forth and Orlando loses in 7 while TMac averages close to 40, he'd be lauded as the megastar he was getting an undermanned team that close. At the end of the day, it's still a 7-game series loss as an 8 seed and he was the entire reason they were even close.
ReplyDeleteThe only time Kobe was the best player on an undermanned team like that, his season ended the same way at the hands of Phoenix in '06.
Kobe/TMac, through '07 or so, was a debate. Kobe obviously stayed at a high level way longer, but he indisputably had a better set of circumstances throughout their careers.
Everything after Adam Wainwright's curveball in 2006 has been a bummer for Mets fans. Then again...everything between the '86 WS win and that curveball wasn't that much better.
ReplyDeleteI just lie to myself that Harvey, Wheeler and Syndergaard will lead them to the promise land.
We'll disagree on his defense. Most analyst do not peg him as being anything more than an average defender that happens to play with excellent defenders (Deng, Noah) and in a great system.
ReplyDeleteThat was the '04 Elite Eight. /end nitpick
ReplyDeleteI guess it's different growing up in a soccer mad country like England.... literally the moment I was born I was indoctrinated by my Dad, and Liverpool were the be all and end all, England came second. Yes football has become ugly because of the money but that doesn't stop my passion to support the club I grew up adoring (Even if it wasn't my choice). It's religion over here, it's more than just a 'sport'... my life revolves around it from reading the backpages of the newspapers everyday to reading the news sites, tv channels etc... it's a way of life every day without a break even when the season has ended.
ReplyDeleteAs for United fans, well winning every thing over and over again shouldn't deter your passion, my best friend follows United and goes to every game around the world... with the strong hold of United fans they actually don't care about England at all. Though Paul I'm not calling you a glory hunter the vast majority of fans around the world are just that... which is very sad.
England winning the world cup would be a unique experience but the majority of those celebrating will be casual fans who don't give two hoots about the sport. (A bit like when Andy Murray won Wimbledon this year).
Ummm, I'm from Spain.
ReplyDeleteAverage? Sure, agree with that. I just don't think he "sucks."
ReplyDeleteTell me about it. 06, 07, and 08 each year ending on such awful notes.
ReplyDeleteyep, not sure how i messed that up.
ReplyDeletethe '03 St Joe's tourney loss was another depressing one. if they won we stayed another two days in Tampa.....if they lost we were taking the 24 hour bus ride home 6am the next morning. lost in overtime after being up 4 late.
Damnnn really? I always thought you were from the US!!! You're like the best commenter on here... wow, your grasp of English seemingly is superior to everyone on here.
ReplyDeleteI live in Philadelphia and 2007 and 2008 were pure torture. I left down for 4 days after the Phillies won the world series in 2008.
ReplyDeleteHigh Point: being in McFadden's at Citizen's Bank Park for the last game of the 2008 World Series and seeing the Phillies finally take it home. As well as McNabb and the Eagles beating the Falcons (and current Eagles' QB) to go the Super Bowl.
ReplyDeleteLow Point: That very same Super Bowl, not to mention the 2009 World Series.
I was a freshman at SJU and at that game too. What a kick in the balls.
ReplyDeleteHuge ND fan too.
Haha, much appreciated. Illinois football hasn't given me many moments of pure joy over the years. A few (the comeback win to beat Michigan at The Big House in '99 was close to making my list, winning the '01 Big Ten title, beating No. 5 Wisconsin and No. 1 OSU in '07 on the way to the Rose Bowl) but too far between.
ReplyDeleteThat '94 Illini squad should've won 10 games. Johnny Johnson was a good QB that year and they had maybe the best linebacking quartet in college football history: Simeon Rice (17 sacks that year), Dana Howard ('94 Butkus winner), Kevin Hardy ('95 Butkus winner, No. 2 overall pick) and John Holocek (longtime starter for the Bills).
High Points:
ReplyDelete1. Sergio Aguero scoring against QPR in the last minute of injury time to win the league for Man City after 44 years (30 of which I was a fan for) of soul-crushing awfulness and being overshadowed by our main rivals. If you'd asked me even 5 years earlier, I'd have told you that was probably something I'd never see in my lifetime.
2. I'm also a huge NFL fan, but like an idiot, my favourite team is the Dolphins. It might seem bizarre, but the greatest markout moment I've had as a Dolphins fan was Lemon to Camarillo in OT to beat the Ravens and thus avoid being the first team to go 0-16. Being a Dolphins fan is shit.
Low Points:
1. City beating Stoke 5-2 and yet still being relegated to the 3rd division (on goal difference) back in 1998. At that point I thought I'd never see City play in the premier league again, much less win it.
2. The 1994 San Marino Grand Prix. That whole weekend was just cursed from start to finish.
SJU basketball is good for at least 3 - 4 "kick in the balls" games a season.
ReplyDeleteDon't know Wilson but Lloyd could've paired with Andre Johnson on that 01 team for sure. The 2nd receiver that year was Daryl Jones who was ok but nothing spectacular. Not that he was needed much when you have Andre Johnson, Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow. Lloyd definitely would've been an upgrade over him.
ReplyDeleteTruly you have a dizzying intellect.
ReplyDeleteSspHi Andrew, I'm not a glory hunter - like you I follow United because of my dad - a genuine United fanatic.
ReplyDeleteI keep trying to write a longer reply but Android is pissing about. FWIW, I respect your view and know where you're coming from.
Lowest point:
ReplyDeleteCanucks losing to the Bruins in 2011. Blew the 1994 loss against the Rangers out of the water since this time we were expected to win. I remember when Burrows won Game 2 and we were up 2-0 in the series and for the first time in my life I thought "holy shit, they're gonna do it. They're REALLY gonna win this thing." Oh and the riot that followed which gave our city an embarrassing black eye didn't help. Nothing comes close, just like nothing could top it if they did win it someday.
Highest point:
Canucks again, this time the run to the Finals in 1994. Specifically Bure's double OT goal against the Flames, Greg Adams in triple OT against the Leafs, and Adams in OT against the Rangers in Game 1 of the finals.
I'd also throw in Lebron's performance against Boston in Game 6 at Boston. I don't know if there's ever been an athlete with THAT much pressure squarely on his back ever. And to see him come through (and the way he did, absolutely taking over), shutting up Garnett/Pierce/Skip Bayless was great to see. Of course it would've meant nothing if they didn't win the title so I guess that counts too. Plus Game 7 against the Spurs this year was pretty sweet.
I'm a Canucks fan first, but I've always liked the Leafs as well (never understood Vancouver's hatred of Toronto), and I felt really bad for the die-hards during that Game 7. Just curious, did Boston choking in the final 90 seconds of Game 6 in the finals ease the pain at all? That's what my (Leafs fan) buddy was telling me. He also said that most fans don't think they would've beaten the Penguins so it's not like they missed out on a chance at the Cup. Again, his words.
ReplyDeleteI think it was Bill Simmons who said Boston sports fans would've traded ALL the championships they've won since 2001 (in all sports), with the exception of the 2004 Red Sox, just to win that one game. True?
ReplyDeleteI think once you hit 2 decades of watching a (mostly) perpetually awful team you can call yourself "long suffering".
ReplyDeleteI came here to mention all of these exact same games. That 2009 Saints team was magical. As was the 2011 LSU team. If only the National Championship wasn't played in 2012.
ReplyDeleteThey play baseball in Miami?!?!?
ReplyDeleteThat's really interesting, and similar to the situation here in Canada. Obviously we're nuts about hockey, and people went crazy when Canada won gold on home ice at the last Olympics. But all the die-hard fans of NHL teams said as great as it was they'd trade it in to see their NHL team win the championship. It's only casual hockey fans that prefer Olympic gold.
ReplyDeleteBeing a Saints fan, I hate the 9ers with a passion. That playoff game in 2012 had several moments that were ecstatic followed by depressing and vice versa. One of the best playoff games I've ever seen despite the gut-wrenching loss. Though I doubt I could ever watch it again.
ReplyDeleteWell its better than Brian stows after dodger fans beat his brains into pudding. Dodger fans are by far and away the biggest scum bag sports fans. Frontrunnerism...check, shit team...check, violent dangerous fans...check, shitty old stadium...check, giant payroll...check
ReplyDeleteSeriously though the dodger fans almost won me back over with the "bang hoes, stomp stow" bootleg shirts they started wearing. Class fan base for sure
Minor nitpick, I'd say it was two decades of mediocrity, they weren't good enough to get in position to choke imo
ReplyDeleteThat saints team played no D. If you could have strung a few stops together that game would have been a saints blow out
ReplyDeleteI moved here when I was young, so I'm as "americanized" as the next guy; but I go back to Spain at least once every two years and my folks live in the US as well. I speak both languages fluently.
ReplyDeleteMy point is, I've been engulfed in the "futbol" culture my whole life and still think that there's more purity and pride on the international level than club football.
Touche!
ReplyDeleteThat Aguero moment is one of the greatest club league finishes in the history of soccer. At the same time, the loss this year in the FA cup finals was pretty rough. For the record, I'm a Barcelona guy, but I enjoy watching international soccer from any country.
ReplyDeleteAs a guy that lives in Miami, it looks like things are looking up for your team. Lots of good young talent finally there and if Tannehill works out, you may finally be a competitive team again.
The Saints not having a bottom-5 D has been their problem for most of the last 20 years. They've had a top-notch offense for at least 10 of those years with Brees and Brooks that just an average D puts them deep in the playoffs.
ReplyDeleteAs a Canucks fan, I agree with this. After they beat Boston in Game 2, I was like: No way, this might happen.
ReplyDeleteI went to a Paul Simon concert during Game 3 (I bought the tix in advance) came home and saw the game....yep.
I'm a Braves fan and I remember listening to that game on the radio. I went to Game 4 of that series.
ReplyDeleteOne of my friends was a diehard Mets fan, so the next day I would sneak up behind him and go: Here's the pitch by Rogers...AND HE WALKS IN THE WINNING RUN.
I got punched many times
Me and Jabber have a lot in common. I love the Canucks, but I went to uni in Toronto, so I have to root for the Leafs too.
ReplyDeleteInnocence died that night in May.
Boston gagging in Game 6 was glorious definitely helped ease the pain a little....but it still sucked. It was great to see, but why couldn't that have been Toronto doing it you know?
ReplyDeleteAlso, the Leafs would've played the Rags, who they could've beaten and then who knows.
ROH ref Todd Sinclair unfriended me on fb for making marathon jokes afterwards
Let's not forget that the Saints turned it over four times in the first half and were down 17-0 almost immediately. They made a few stops to get back in the game. Gregg Williams just decided at the end to either have everyone 25 yards off the ball or let Roman Harper cover Vernon Davis one-on-one.
ReplyDeleteHey, Who Dat Who Dat! You are my new best friend.
ReplyDeleteIf the Saints had an average D, they'd give the Patriots a run for their money. God, I hate Gregg Williams.
ReplyDeleteWhat made LSU's loss even worse was Jefferson doing an interview about a month later saying that he made great decisions during the game, and basically throwing the coaching staff under the bus. His great decisions led to him accounting for about 50 yards passing and rushing in the game. I don't think any team that has had good seasons has had a more hated QB than LSU with Jefferson.
ReplyDeleteD-Will became irrelevant because he spent 14 months in basketball purgatory and then once the eyes were on him again, he struggled. People don't realise how great he was in the 2nd half.
ReplyDeleteAlso, he had nothing to do with Avery or PJ getting fired. They sucked
A-Rod helped you win a World Series
ReplyDeleteThat's what made the loss so much funnier.
ReplyDeleteYankee fans conveniently forget that. They must win every WS, every year. ;-)
ReplyDeleteNo, you root for your shitty team. How asinine.
ReplyDeleteThat's what being a good fan is all about.
ReplyDeleteI hope John Starks dies.
ReplyDeleteWHO DAT WHO DAT.
ReplyDeleteI broke down crying when they made it to the SB and then won.
Too many men in the huddle. When does that happen?
ReplyDeleteNot really and every circumstance is different. Why support a team monetarily that continues to put a crappy product on the field? It's entertainment after all.
ReplyDeleteHuh?
ReplyDeleteOh god that was so terrible. I was so mad about that, and honestly I still hate that they won
ReplyDeleteThe Vikings got called for too many men in the huddle. I had never seen that before and have rarely seen it since.
ReplyDeleteI am convinced there was divine intervention that game
As an Eagles fan and former Philadelphian I can feel your pain. My lowest point was being at the NFC championship game they lost to the Bucs. Fucking Jurevicious and Ronde Barber. I thought that game was a lock.
ReplyDeleteHow is it asinine? I grew up as a small child watching the Run TMC teams and loving them. Basketball is my favorite sport, they are my team. I am a giant fan of the NBA game. However, since I finished the 7th grade which was the chris webber season they have made the playoffs exactly TWO times. Thats in basically 18 years. I've watched at least 60 plus games of every season and I always follow and root for the team but they are literally never relevant, and they missed the playoffs for 13 years in a row. So if I want to see high level basketball I have to watch other teams play, and if I want to be even more excited about watching the playoffs I need a team to root for so I picked the lakers because I thought I played like Nick Van Exel when I was a little kid. If you aren't a fan of a really really bad team you would never understand this
ReplyDeleteYes it is. Rooting for a shitty team sucks, no questions asked. I've done it many times. But that's part of being a true fan, being there in good times and bad.
ReplyDeleteI've had my fair share of sports sins, but I've taken my lumps and it makes the payoffs worth it. Or the cunt kicks even worse
As a P.S. I saw your reply and was going to come here and get mad about you saying that was asinine but now that I think about it I am in very small group of people that actually are fans of terrible, terrible teams. When your an oakland A's fan and they aren't the least competitive pro team your a fan thats bad. You just may not be able to understand what its like. If you want to be engaged in the playoffs you have go to pick guys you like and cheer for them so I went with Kobe. But of course I would want the warriors to crush them when they play
ReplyDeleteYeah but if your team is out of it, why not pick another team thats good you like to make it more exciting
ReplyDeleteI see no issue with casual rooting, but it's not the same. Living in NY, and watching the Jets/Giants every week, I do pull them in the playoffs when the Saints are out, but it's not remotely the same. Don't care when they lose, etc
ReplyDeleteI'm just being an ass cuz I hate dodgers fans, but I do love DBSM posts so I guess you're not all bad
ReplyDeleteI'm a Saints fan. I wrote book on really bad teams
ReplyDeleteOk whose your team?
ReplyDeleteFootball: New Orleans
ReplyDeleteSo yeah they are pretty terrible, but they at least they made the playoffs once every 5 years or so back in the old nfc west. Yeah that is a bad one, but with basketball, which is a game thats on every night if you want to watch it, the amount of games make you pick and choose teams to follow more so than in the NFL
ReplyDeleteI understand your pain in the 80's and 90's but I don't know your joy since 2010. It may have given you a more rose colored view on the losing years.
ReplyDeleteYeah and I thought Tong Po vs Eric Sloane was pretty upsetting too
ReplyDeleteFrom 1993-2005, the Saints made the playoffs once. They were supposed to move. We had Aaron Brooks as a QB.
ReplyDeleteI was a Nets fan during the 12-70 year. I know what it is to root for shitty teams and you just watch other people enjoy it and hope it happens to you one day.
With the Nets, you get excited for every win, don't get upset when they lose close and just resign yourself to another shit loss and take advantage of the cheap tickets.
Rocky beating Clubber Lang.
ReplyDeleteI bet on Clubber Lang.
My view is everything that happened before the SB is water under the bride. That was a lot of water though.
ReplyDeleteGiven the amount of money thrown at the roster, a decent schedule and a fairly weak AFC I'd like to think that Miami have a shot at contending for a wildcard spot, but then I thought that a couple of times over the last few years too. To be honest I'm just counting dow the days until Brady & Belichick retire, the Pats go back to finishing 6-10 every year like they used to in the good old days, and we can go back to winning the AFC east every year then shitting it all away in the wildcard round.
ReplyDeleteOh yea. I've seen it called a few times but it is rare to see. To call it in that spot, Vikings just got in FG range with like 20 some seconds left in the NFC championship, was just insane.
ReplyDeleteMan at least the Nets made a couple of finals. I've never seen the warriors do better than lose in 6 in the second round. I just had to adopt LA as my 2nd team. And btw the warriors missed the playoffs from 1994-2007 so they have even out sucked the saints
ReplyDeleteNow what is great is living in a city where the team sucks but your not a fan. I live in san diego and the padres have been horrible every year since I came here but one and they collapsed at the end of that season historically. So you get really good tickets for cheap and can see every other big league team, in a half empty stadium, sitting up close, for less than a trip out to a bar.
All three of those teams in the AFC east are basically fucked until Brady goes away.
ReplyDeleteThe 02 Finals was great, but you knew in the end what was happening.
ReplyDeleteThe 03 Finals just sucked. I still think they could've beaten San Antonio.
Nets games in Newark were disgustingly cheap. I sat 15 rows behind the bench for $10. Amazing. I miss that, but I like the winning.
I could imagine, but I may never know.
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