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Its a freaking work...

Scott, second email from me in a week!  Lucky you.  I SWEAR im not reaching Baker stalker status, but have taken a week off from ER so have been spending WAY to much time on the BoD and watching wrestling in general.

The CM Punk pipebomb sucked me back into wwe after not really watching for 2 years.  Yea, I realize it was 100% work, but wasnt subscribed to Meltzer or keeping tabs online so have a few quickies, predominantly on the timeline of the whole situation. ..

- did anyone report when he actually signed his new contract?  He said on Bill Simmons podcast that it was literally the night if MITB.  I find this VERY hard to believe.

- its assumed by most that he wasnt under any type obligation to resign with WWE, even under a handshake agreement, at the time of the pipebomb.  Why would Vince even put Punk in a top headlining feud if he was unsure of his future status? Hes buried better for less. 

- has anyone said what the planned MITB finish would have been if Punk never agreed to a deal?

- I respect the fuck outta Punk for having the guts to walk out on wwe if thats what he thought was best, but the dude was a mult time world champ, and in him high profile feuds...wa

his biggest gripe at the time the "glass ceiling", money, etc.

He signed the physical contract at the MITB PPV, but he had a verbal agreement with Vince long before that.  But indeed the actual contract wasn't signed until he was ready to go to the ring.  

As for why he pushed Punk, I think he saw the money in the angle and saw that it was the right guy in the right place type of deal.  It was just one of those magic zeitgeist things that we'll likely never see again.  


  1. Work or Shoot... if Punk's not signing, we get a "true" Montreal II. Not Vince's piss-poor imitations over the years.

  2. Truly should have been the moment that ushered in a new era.

  3. Which would've meant nothing in the long-run.

  4. Punk didnt have creative control though, he might have been stubborn but considering hes always talked about retiring early, I bet he would have gone out there and joined the kiss my ass club if it kept him from a lawsuit.

  5. I think there was a legally binding contract in place long before they started the promotion for the PPV and the pipebomb promo.
    And as much as i like Punk, there was no way it could have been Austin levels again IMO.

  6. Your_Favourite_LoserOctober 3, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    'It was just one of those magic zeitgeist things that lasted about 3 seconds before they brought back punk after only a week and then got hhh and nash involved'


  7. Pushing Alberto Del Rio ruined that.

  8. Punk wasn't the champion going into MITB, so it's not like they needed a screwjob to get the title off him.

  9. Actually, ADR would have worked as a proper coroprate champion deal.
    Have him beat Cena in their PPV matches ( Instead of swapping the belt with him) and Punk beating him would have meant more.

  10. Anyone else notice Punk getting better pops now than when he was champ as a face? (counting MITB and the month or so after)

  11. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Dear e-mailer, if you haven't seen the fantastic Punk WWE doc "Best in the World", go on Netflix (or use a buddy's account if you don't have Netflix) and watch ASAP. Your questions are basically answered, but the quick and dirty answer was yes, the glass ceiling. He felt that he deserved to be a top-of-the-card guy and did everything to deserve it, but always seemed to be overlooked; he was bitter that The Miz was given the WWE title and headlined WrestleMania over him because he felt he deserved a shot, and although he was World Champ a couple of times, he was still always in the middle of cards and never given the top feuds and main events, something Michael Hayes and HHH cop to in the film. Hayes says that they had feuds bigger than the title (HBK/Jericho for instance) and HHH said that even he knew that they gave Punk a prop ("You're going to be the champion, but not really") and that frustrated Punk. They offered him money and Punk wanted to stay in the company, but felt that he was disrespected enough times that he didn't care. Then before that fateful pipebomb RAW, they told him to just go out and air his grievances and the rest is history.

  12. It was me David, It was me along! I wrote it, was going to watch the documentary but saw it was like 2.5 hours.

  13. Worth it, actually. The match from OVW on the set is a really good angle, as well.

  14. You mean HHH ruined it by injecting himself and Nash. One of the few times when ANY of the half baked fantasy booking ideas on this blog would be better than what we got. For instance, we can quibble over how many months Punk should have stayed off TV, but any of those ideas are better than coming back the next week and feuding with Nash over a text message.

  15. YankeesHoganTripleHFanOctober 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Yeah saw it on Netflix a few weeks ago. It was pretty good but he does come across as a bit whiny sometimes.

  16. "It was just one of those magic zeitgeist things that we'll likely never see again."

    And they managed to kill it within 2 months.

  17. Yup. He has refined his face character. Less pandering, more vigilante Wolverine (it's not just the mutton chops!)

    It's the face he should have always been. He found his niche. It also stands in contrast to every other face on the roster.

    It's actually one of the bet face characters in recent memory. A cerebral Austin with a different talk/violence ratio

  18. (Edited my post since I meant NOT counting MITB and right after. Meant more Survivor Series ---> Heel turn)

    completely as to the reasons. After the pipebomb it seems they were
    obsessed with him using his mic time to "get one over" on his opponent
    by making fun of them.

    Now he's just kicking ass, and even when
    he's on the short end he goes down fighting. They copied the
    Brock-Punk beatdown formula w/ Ryback/Axel last week (Punk starts with
    upper hand, gets knocked around, glimmer of hope, only to finally fall
    to the odds) and it worked beautifully.

  19. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    Absolutely worth it; I had put it for a long while too, but when I finally got to it, I was annoyed at myself for not having watched it sooner. Better use of your time than RAW or something =P

  20. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    At least he admits as much. He sometimes reminds of Walter in Big Lebowski, "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole!"

  21. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    The mutton chops do help, though.

  22. Yea, its even on youtube. Ill have to dabble

  23. That "pipebomb" really was an amazing moment - not just in and of itself, but for the way it basically transformed Punk into an overnight sensation.

    Everybody knew that Punk had the talent, he had earned tons of praise for his "SES" work and feud with Jeff, and he had actually been treated relatively well during his time with the company up to that point. However, I think a lot of people forget exactly what he was doing basically moments before cutting that promo: he was teaming with Mason Ryan (usually in losing efforts), and leading a group that consisted of Michael McGillicutty and David Otunga.

    Just night and day.

  24. Technically, Money in the Bank ended up being the REVERSE Montreal.

  25. He's also a lot more flawed. Or rather, his flaws are way more intentional. His whole family issue and endless attempts to get something that's impossible give his character much more depth and sympathetic value than Austin ever had (besides 2001).

  26. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryOctober 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    Hell, even Jesse would've come up with something better.

    Psh, I'm just kidding, I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

  27. "Treated relatively well during his time with the company..." I guess it depends on how you define relatively well, but they were burying him for a large chunk of his WWE career up until that point. Even as WHC he was losing a ton.

  28. That's why I said "relatively" - he was a featured mid-carder for pretty much his entire run up until that point, which is more than a lot of guys get.

    Sure, he wasn't being used to his full potential, but he also wasn't kept off TV, either.

  29. Fair enough. I was looking at the other side of the coin that says he's being underutilized cannon fodder for Orton, Show, etc. But I see your point.

  30. Yeah, I agree. He had a chance to be a decent corporate guy in that storyline.


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