Hi there,So as we all know, HHH won the match (and the belt) six falls to five. But here's the thing: HHH shouldn't have won the title, because the deciding fall was a *DQ.* Because as Gorilla would always remind us "titles in the World Wrestling Federation can only change hands on a pinfall or submission." And yet, I don't think I've ever since this mentioned in any recap. I can't be the only one who's thought this, can I?Dan
That particular bugaboo was overturned for 2/3 falls matches with the Brainbusters tag title win. Plus iron man matches have always been "most falls in x time" regardless of how the fall is won. So sorry, but nitpick DENIED.
I think the more obvious problem is that by the time undertaker got down to the ring, the time had actually expired.
ReplyDeleteBecause as Gorilla would always remind us "titles in the World Wrestling Federation can only change hands on a pinfall or submission."
ReplyDeleteSo Flair couldn't win the title in the Rumble?
Or that the finish of that awesome match was the return of the Undertaker in a shitty Biker gimmick.
ReplyDeletePlus didn't Triple H get himself disqualified after hitting Rock with a chair during the match as well? Going by that logic, Rock should have won 5 to 4.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Scott, its the most falls in a match regardless of how they occurred. This case has no argument.
ReplyDeleteExcept there have been plenty of 2/3 falls matches where the heel champ got disqualified in the third fall and kept the title. As with most things in wrestling, it's most falls regardless of how a fall is won, except when it isn't.
ReplyDeleteThat's not fair to Flair.
ReplyDeleteAnyone know what happened to Mears Raw recap? Did he burn out that quickly?
ReplyDeleteNeither were his wives cleaning him out all those times.
ReplyDeleteRock got a countout fall, as well. Woulda been a 4-4 draw. I remember them being adamant for whatever reason that there would be no OT in this one.
ReplyDeleteScott you don't have any Meth'ed out Jesse Baker emails we can laugh at?
ReplyDeleteThis email is just sad.
He also went over the ropes and to the floor. That too would hamper your chances to win the Rumble and thus the title, though they covered themselves by an on the fly ruling of, "You must be 'assisted' over the ropes."
ReplyDeleteWas wondering the same thing.
ReplyDeleteIs the new qotd coming up as an older post for anyone else, or is it just my shitty google chrome app? Its posted before yesterdays
ReplyDeleteI said he just just empty out all his Baker emails on here one day and just let the BoD orgy over them
ReplyDeleteWell those girls had to finish the nursery rhyme and all.
ReplyDeleteIt's most falls within the time limit, period.
ReplyDeleteAnd that it's the the deciding fall is irrelevant - the title doesn't go back and forth, per fall, during the match. The champion remains champion throughout the match until the end, and if the challenger has amassed more falls through whatever means, then (and only then) does he become champion.
dan fail
ReplyDeleteKane is still a participant in the 1999 Rumble
ReplyDeletethe M being highlighted in rumble 02 was to signify that maven really should be considered the winner since he was never eliminated over the top rope
ReplyDeleteWhen the Hart Foundation beat Demolition for the belts, wasn't that a best of 3 falls match and Demolition was DQed for one of the falls?
ReplyDeleteHave there been "plenty"? I can't think of any. Not saying they don't exist, but I certainly don't know if there are loads of them.
ReplyDeleteIm a sucker for this match. Love it. Even though the finish is disjointed and they had to improvise it, still fucking awesome.
ReplyDeleteShawn is hands down the greatest guest ref ever. This, Taker/Bret, WM 28, all fucking great performances by him, especially WM 28.
ReplyDeleteToo much too soon. Maybe keep it to two-three per day.
ReplyDeleteI want them ALL. I want to let all Bakerness overtake and engulf me one day.
ReplyDeleteThis was basically a "talk to the hand" from Scott. Well done
ReplyDeleteAre people really nit-picking the rules in a 13-year old match in a fake sport?
ReplyDeleteThe only one I can think of off the top of my head is a Dolph/Kofi match on Raw a couple of years age, but I distinctly remember it happening multiple times. Regardless of how many times it's happened, my point stands: "a fall is a fall" hasn't been consistently enforced.
ReplyDeleteIs this your first time here?
ReplyDeleteYou thought Shawn's performance at WM28 was great? The people at the bar I watched it at were laughing at Shawn's attempts to be dramatic.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wwe.com/videos/raw-dolph-ziggler-vs-kofi-kingston-us-championship-2-out-of-3-falls-match-part-2-25021978
ReplyDeleteNote that Dolph loses the final fall by DQ but still retains the title. So even in multi-fall matches, the title can't change hands if the last fall is a DQ...except when it can.
Within the context of the match and the story it was fantastic.
ReplyDeleteThe nitpick for that finish is that Shawn CLEARLY didn't call for the DQ until after the clock had expired, as you hear the buzzer going off while UT still has Trips up in the Tombstone delivery position. So it should've been a 5-5 draw with the title staying with the Rock.
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ReplyDeleteWhy you're just Mommy's clever little man, aren't you Doog?
ReplyDeleteDQ = fall, a fall = a point. the highest number of points gets the win I don't know how this is hard. The dq didn't get him the belt, the point from the DQ did.
ReplyDeleteDamnit man, you'll never make it!
ReplyDeleteAs bad as that gimmick was, I sure as hell missed when we suddenly were dealing with a mute Taker with crazy magical powers.
ReplyDeleteTechnically the title was held in abeyance. There was no title to change hands.
ReplyDeleteThis makes perfect sense, unless this guy is doing the math for the falls.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ReplyDelete#bakedtoolong?
ReplyDeleteBack then, the term abeyance was held in abeyance. I approved and bought the RR92 PPV for that alone.
ReplyDeleteso what was worse, the Kid Rock or the Limp Dick music?
ReplyDeleteNo, he's actually stupid. /Larry Literal
ReplyDeleteDidn't he say he'd be away or some shit?
ReplyDeleteThe way I always saw it is that Shawn saw the chokeslam prior to the clock expiring which is what the disqualification is for. Although you're right, he did signal for the bell following the Tombstone, which was after the buzzer.
ReplyDeleteStill one of my favourite match endings ever though. I remember just marking out like crazy for Taker's return.
Yup watched it the other day
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