Survivor Series:
95,000 North America
84,000 International
179,000 total
So yeah, it's not Daniel Bryan that's the problem. What's the other common denominator here...?
This is waaaaaaay down from last year, for those wondering.
95,000 North America
84,000 International
179,000 total
Id have to blame Miz and Truth.....
ReplyDeleteDateline: Sometime soon
ReplyDelete"WWE has decided to part ways with the Survivor Series franchise. We welcome the newest addition to the WWE PPV family, WWE Showdown."
Dateline: soon after
"We have heard from our worldwide fans, however, we believe that the Survivor Series name is best left in the past. We hope you will join us on Sunday, November (day) for WWE Showdown."
Dateline: late December 2014
"WWE Showdown came in at under 150,000 buys worldwide. WWE officials are unable to explain the poor showing, as this is the third straight month of such low PPV buys. They do not consider the main event, John Cena vs Randy Orton for the WWE championship in Match 7 of their "Best of 15 Championship Series", a primary cause however."
Is there a literal giant flashing red sign we could have installed at Titan Tower?
ReplyDeleteI found the problem! Big Show was copying a B+ gimmick with the whole 'Yes' thing. Now if Big Show copied Randy Orton's A+ gimmick, the show would have done a lot better. Daniel is once again to blame, even if it's indirectly.
ReplyDeleteI hear voices in the authority
ReplyDeleteThey council me
They understand
They talk to me
You got your money and your resources
All designed to purchase PPVs
But when buyrates start getting lowered
Noone questions anything
I have a voice that is my savior
He loves to play the Game
He knows the fans have no knowledge
And deserve this shitty product as their fate
I hear remotes clicking
I see business dying
I taste ambiance that's drying
I feel boredom rising
I hear voices in my head
They say push Punk and Bryan
But fuck those vanilla midgets
WWE is for me
I'll buy this if you can prove they weren't going up against a football game of importance those years.
ReplyDeleteClearly, a lack of Puppet H is to blame.
ReplyDeleteHis initial face run didn't flop due to HHH. His initial face run flopped because he was incredibly bland and boring, and as often happens in recent times when they turned him face they stripped him of everything that helped make him an interesting character in the first place.
ReplyDeleteFarva's girlfriend.
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Well, in his defense he did write that article well before the Bryan/Orton/Authority/Big Show angle went completely off the rails.
ReplyDeleteThe guy had a massive head injury and admits to memory problems so yeah, he might not be the greatest source but he certainly kept things entertaining, which is all I really ask for in a shoot interview.
ReplyDeleteUnder the right conditions, and with a good deal of luck, Paul Roma could have been molded into a star.
ReplyDeleteHow was the buyrate of that PPV that Barbarian headlined?
ReplyDeleteNeeds more Jimmy Wang Yang.
ReplyDeleteYou're an interesting man.
ReplyDeleteWhenever I see one of these mirror-flipped videos, I try to convince myself that they're working like they're in Mexico.
ReplyDeleteI think most of our Orton hate has to with what we've seen over the last several years. But, with an unjaundiced eye, it's hard to find fault with what he's done since the latest heel turn.
ReplyDeleteAlso, he was on top of his game in 1989. He had some prtty damn good matches that year. His SNME match against Savage comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteI don't even understand how any of that makes sense. Beefcake was a face, so was Warrior - and he's saying that they were going to
ReplyDeletea) have an incredibly rare face vs face match
b) have Beefcake go over
c) have this happen on a house show?!
According to him, yes.
ReplyDeleteSeems like a bait-and-switch tactic to be honest though but Brutus did state how the Warrior throwing a tantrum got him the IC belt, which was supposed to go to Brutus. I think that he meant he was told that he would eventually get the belt but they made the decision to cancel the match.
Faces of Fear > Powers of Pain
ReplyDeleteTell me the long term heel who was booked better during that timeframe.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying Orton was booked great, I'm saying FOR A HEEL he was booked well (better than anybody I can think of).
Agreed. That was part of what made Orton such a great heel in 2009. Self made man. He didn't look for help from authority figures, he targeted the authority figures and brutalized them.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed his matches with Curt Hennig.
ReplyDeleteWhat time frame?
ReplyDelete2003-2004?
Almost nobody. Orton was booked very well. At least as well as Angle, Lesnar, HHH, etc.
2004-2007? Preeeeeeeeeetty much everybody.
2007-early 2010? Pretty much nobody. He was booked well, took the ball and run with it.
He wasnt THAT bad of a wrestler in the 1980's. Once he teamed with Valentine he got better and he was over huge in 1989. Go back and watch stuff from that year and you will see how the crowds were going out of their minds for him. Sadly, the parasailing accident was the end of him, in all honesty. He never was able to get to that point again.
ReplyDeleteI love bwe because of the slow burn, and it's so damn aesthetically pleasing.
ReplyDeleteI got his shoot, anyone else see it yet?
ReplyDeleteI agree, Beefcake is someone who gets a bad rap as a worker. The whole point of putting him with Valentine was for Beefcake to learn to work and it worked. Beefcake during "The Barber" era was someone whose matches I looked forward to watching. Was he Bret Hart or Curt Hennig in the ring, no, but his matches were entertaining and rarely sucked. That's not something I could say about a lot of WWF babyfaces at Beefcake's level or above during that era.
ReplyDeleteShawn never did anything to me personally so I don't know what I'm supposed to be holding against him. In all these shoots all we read is people doing horrible things. It would take way too much effort to be mad at them for stuff that happened 20 years ago. If you think he's a terrible person then you are entitled to believe that, but as I said earlier, it's all in the past so why not leave it there?
ReplyDeleteOn the Dusty dvd they said she used to drive the wrestlers around the Kansas City territory. They heard she fell on hard times and gave her a job to help out some.
ReplyDeleteThe way these things go, I wouldn't be surprised.
ReplyDeleteI just want more from the 80's in general. I've heard enough people talk about Sunny and Candido and Shawn and Bret and Kliq's.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that anyone has ever argued that Shawn was anything other than a piece of garbage pre-comeback.
ReplyDeleteMy honeymoon. Three weeks boozing across 4 of my favourite European countries, and also Luxembourg.
ReplyDeleteFrom 2003 to 2004, Orton was a strongly booked heel. Some of his matches were cheap wins by distraction or Evolution help, but most were fairly clean or at least 'smart dirty'. That is, he came off looking cunning, rather than week.
ReplyDeleteHeels booked stronger than Orton: Angle, HHH. Orton was one of the best booked heels in the company during his evolution run, especially the latter part.
From late 2004/2005 through late 2007, the guy didn't win a match unless he cheated... and to be honest, outside of few notable wins against Understaker, and with RatedRKO, he didn't win. On TV or PPV.
Heels booked stronger than Orton: HHH, Kurt Angle, Edge, JBL, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho.... hell for awhile Mr. Kennedy was booked stronger than Orton, lol
From 2007 to 2008, when he got injured it was a mixed bag. He kept the title from Cena at Elimination Chamber by slapping a referee, he kept the title from Jericho when JBL attacked Jericho from the announce table to end their match. He beat HBK in a match where HBK couldn't use sweet chin music, and he beat both Cena and HHH at wrestlemia. The match outcomes favored Orton in general, even if he spent most of his TV time getting the worst of beat-downs.
Heels booked stronger than Orton:
From late 2008 to early 2010, there wasn't a heel booked better than Orton, and Orton made the most of that. The only blips on the radar were the feud with Shane Mcmahon, where Shane was booked to look way to strong, and the HHH/Orton WM match result. Neither were enough to derail Orton, who at that point was one of if not the most magnetic presence on TV at the time. He was essentially the last remnant of adult television in the WWE's PG era, and combined with how well he presented the character, he got over huge.
Yeah... but... there's a difference between being a dick to people (playing politics, starting bar fights, fucking a guy's girlfriend, etc) and THAT, right? Right?
ReplyDeleteLike, I feel if it really registered with people they wouldn't call him a "piece of garbage", they'd call him a rapist. Like they did/do with Roethlisberger.
I mean, he most likely fucked up some people's lives, maybe for life. For no reason (they probably would've willingly fucked him).
I had never heard this before, it's pretty jarring (to me, anyway).
Your from SC?
ReplyDeleteqotd needs more you in terms of coming up with questions
ReplyDeleteTGDGI
ReplyDeleteYes I am. You?
ReplyDeleteYes. I have lived in either Myrtle Beach or North Myrtle Beach at various times since I was 2 years old
ReplyDeletethat last part... i... don't follow, does not compute
ReplyDeletepft, and here i thought you were all gangsta from south central myrtle beach
ReplyDeleteI TOLD YOU THAT IN CONFIDENCE!
ReplyDeleteMasterbate with a piece of room temperature raw liver in your hand. It's not that far different.
ReplyDelete..I've heard.
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Yeah, it's pretty scuzzy, but I always assume that most any entertainer (athlete's included in that) has more than likely done some rapey stuff in their time.
ReplyDeleteYou get girls throwing themselves at you, and massive quantities of booze and drugs around, and that's the next logical step.
He tried, but couldn't find Roma in the airport so he gave up.
ReplyDeleteJust throwing it out there.
ReplyDeleteYour avatar is jarring.
ReplyDelete'Just throwing it out there.'
ReplyDeletei used that laid back argument, too, but it still didnt prevent an indecent exposure charge
Should've just stayed home with a bottle of wine, some filthy pornography, and a piece of liver.
ReplyDeleteAnother guy I'd say fits that bill is Tatanka. A great worker, of course not, but entertaining and had a good run with the right opponents.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for Cornette's 1989 WCW Timeline to be released
ReplyDeleteFor in-ring product, it's hard to beat 1992-1993 WCW. They were bleeding money, and the tapings did them no favors, but the main guys were working damn hard.
ReplyDeleteThe period's in which Orton's been dreadful have, without fail, been the ones where he had no creative direction and was clearly bored as fuck to be wrestling. Yes, it's a performer's job to perform no matter what they think of their material, but you try turning in an A+ performance when the material is impossible to find any connection or inspiration in.
ReplyDeleteOutside of that, this article is dead on and Orton has always been great at the little things (selling, facial expression, etc.)
Is he a bag shitting, drug taking moron who is probably an awful person to be around? Possibly. Probably.
He's a pro wrestler. There's a reason why people single out CM Punk for not shitting in gym bags or Daniel Bryan for being a vegan.
I just got this in the mail yesterday and watched it last night--I was looking forward to it, because 1989 was pretty much the peak of my wrestling fandom as a kid.
ReplyDeleteI pretty much agree with your assessment, though I do call bullshit on that story about him being suspended because he was supposed to beat Warrior (for reasons someone else already covered). Also he seems to be trying to rewrite history a little bit--he claims that Hogan handed the title to Warrior at Wrestlemania and the fans were booing? Um... which Mania was he watching, exactly? The crowd was going nuts for Warrior if I remember right. Also he makes himself out to be the number one heel in the company before his face turn, which is overstating things just a tad. The Dream Team was hated, sure, but a "household name?" Whatever you say, Beefer.
My parents live over at Market Common. Will be there Christmas Eve and day.
ReplyDeleteAh so the only nice area in Myrtle Beach. That is about 5 minutes from my apartment, I live at the next light south on the bypass.
ReplyDeleteLets get a drink!
ReplyDeleteAgreed
ReplyDeleteHe's sucked Hogan's dick from day one. It's just what he does.
ReplyDeleteI want one of the new tag-teams in WWE to steal P&G's finishing move. The superplex/splash combo was f'ing awesome.
ReplyDeleteSherri mentioned in shoots that sapphire was oblivious to how to handle herself with the boys and she often had to straighten her out. Maybe beefcake was just calling her a mark based on her attitude
ReplyDeleteI was at house shows in 89...although everybody was over back then, he was clearly #3 face for a while behind hogan and warrior
ReplyDeleteI see your point but tatanka was never the mainstream star or attained the popularity that beefcake did.
ReplyDeleteRead dynamite or bret's book...the bulldogs were notorious for shit like that. If I recall, some 90's wwf stars were also known for that.
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't a great worker but he was over legit with the mainstream WWF audience.
ReplyDeleteI could never find the ljn giant ring for them. I was always told by stores that they were discontinued due to choking hazards! Ughhh to poor 9 year old me
ReplyDelete"Pat Patterson used to mess with Brother Bruti because I wouldn't fuck him, brother." - Hulk Hogan
ReplyDelete"That's bullshit! Pat once confided to me, with tears in his eyes, that he wanted to fuck me, and that I deserved to be WWF Champion." - Bret Hart
The only story I remember about him is from Flair's book where Brutus gives Flair a lecture about selling too much for Eddie Guerrero and how Hogan wouldn't want his opponent selling for Eddie so much, and Flair thinking he was an idiot because of it....that and Warrior saying him and Hogan were gay. But from by years of being an internet wrestling fan I'm left with the impression that he's an idiot.
ReplyDeleteExactly, they should have gone way over the top with an ostentatious "Lex Express" style promotion campaign. Everything Orton. Just drive home the point that THIS is who WWE sees as a star, definitely NOT the little guy with the beard. Then pay it off with the underdog finally beating the golden boy in convincing fashion to give the Authority figures no choice but to promote him. Once he has the gold back, even HHH and Steph are forced to take notice and promote him for the 'good of the business'. Until HHH gets so fed up that he books himself against Bryan
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