The SmarK Rant for WWE Royal Rumble 2011
I’ve had requests for a Royal Rumble Kindle book, but this is the one show I’m missing. So here it is! I wasn’t even watching the product at the time, so this is basically all new to me aside from knowing who the winner was. My exposure was limited to WWE sending me DVDs to review, and otherwise I was exclusively watching Classics on Demand for my fix. I barely even remember who the champions were or what the issues were, so I’m kind of looking forward to going in blind!
Live from Boston, MA
Your hosts are Michael Cole, Matt Striker and Jerry Lawler.
World Heavyweight title: Edge v. Dolph Ziggler
The spear is BANNED tonight during one of Vickie Guerrero’s reigns as Smackdown GM. Given the way Edge’s neck turned out, he probably should have heeded that warning. Dolph is noticeably more ripped here than he has been in recent times. Not that I’m accusing anyone of anything. Dolph slugs him down to start, but gets whipped into the corner and kneed for two. Edge with a gutbuster for two. Knee to the gut gets two. To the floor, but Dolph catches him with a cheapshot on the way back in to take over, and gets two. To the chinlock, but Edge fights out, so Dolph gets a sunset flip for two, reversed by Edge into a catapult for two. Ziggler puts him down with a neckbreaker for two. Back to the chinlock, as Dolph channels his inner Randy Orton and grinds on that for a while, but they collide on a bodypress attempt and everyone is out. Dolph recovers first and misses the blind charge, but Edge isn’t allowed to spear him. He hits a flapjack instead and makes the comeback, with a bulldog for two. Ziggler counters the Downward Spiral with something like a Franchiser, and that gets two. Edge counters the fameasser with a powerbomb for two as Striker is already getting on my nerves with his melodramatic clichéd commentary. They fight to the top and Edge fights out of a superplex, but Dolph rolls through a bodypress for two. Ziggler with a dropkick for two as the crowd starts to get on his side. Edge takes him down with his Edgecution submission, but Dolph makes the ropes. Edge charges and clotheslines himself, and Dolph hits the fameasser for two. The crowd is really buying into the near-falls here. Edge puts him down with a big boot and sets him up for a spear, but Ziggler catches him with the sleeper. Edge turns it into the Impaler DDT for two, but Vickie makes the save. Edge rolls Dolph up for two, but Kelly Kelly beats up Vickie to get rid of her, while Dolph hits the Zig Zag for two and freaks out the crowd. Another try at the sleeper, which Striker completely mis-explains. The sleeper doesn’t cut off oxygen, it cuts off blood via the carotid artery. A choke cuts off oxygen. Unless he meant that it cuts of blood to the brain, which carries oxygen, but really he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Edge escapes and bumps the referee, and with everyone unconscious he takes the opportunity to use the spear, which has Heel Michael Cole aghast. Edge finishes with an Unprettier as a shout-out to Christian at 20:44 to retain. Turned into a hell of a match to hook the crowd and keep everyone on the edge of their seats, pardon the pun. **** Dolph would soon end up with the belt in the most backhanded way possible.
WWE title: The Miz v. Randy Orton
Oh yeah, Miz used to be WWE champion. I seriously forgot about that. I will say, at least Miz as champion had confidence and swagger that is totally missing today. Like, a totally different person now. That being said, he was treated like a fluke champion and, dare I say, a B+ player next to the likes of Randy Orton and John Cena. Orton beats him down in various corners of the ring, but Miz’s lapdog Alex Riley gets a cheapshot from the outside and allows Miz to take over. Miz with the corner clothesline for two. We hit the chinlock, and Miz puts him down with a knee for two. Miz boots him down for two. Elbow gets two. We get a horrendously dull heat segment on Orton with Cole openly cheering for the Miz, but Orton fights back with a superplex for two. They slug it out and Orton tries the draping DDT, but gets backdropped to the floor as a result. Back in, Miz with a double axehandle for two. He goes to a chinlock as this thing drags on, due to Miz having no idea how to build to a climax in this kind of environment. Back to the floor, where he catapults Orton into the post, but he recovers at 8 and makes the comeback. So yeah, more clotheslines and the Garvin Stomp (which thank god he’s retired now) for two. A-Ry gets involved yet again and Miz gets a neckbreaker for two. Orton with an Angle Slam for two to escape the Finale. Miz grabs the belt and takes a walk, but Orton cuts him off, only for Miz to get a DDT for two. Orton rolls him up for two and follows with the draping DDT, but now the Nexus comes out and distracts Orton. Randy gets rid of Riley by tossing him onto the Nexus losers, but CM Punk runs in and hits Orton with a GTS and puts Miz on top at 19:53. That was WAY too long for that stupid TV finish. **1/2 Miz was like a lost sheep out there, struggling to stretch the match out to 20 minutes with his 5 minute offense. And they STILL put this guy out there to die in the main event of Wrestlemania! No wonder that show sucked ass.
Divas title: Natalya v. LayCool
The anonymous RAW GM buzzes in before the match and adds Eve Torres for some reason.
Divas title: Natalya v. Layla v. Michelle McCool v. Eve Torres
This earth-shattering announcement gets no reaction from the crowd, since Eve had not yet developed a personality. LayCool gets rid of Eve and Natalya fights them off alone, but the heels are left to face each other. It’s like a really shitty Royal Rumble! The babyfaces chase off LayCool, but Natalya gets a bizarre double Sharpshooter on Eve and Layla. I have no idea who that was supposed to hurt. Nattie fights off Laycool , but Eve dumps Natalya and moonsaults Layla for the pin at 5:13 to win the title. ½*
Meanwhile, a clean-shaven Daniel Bryan and girlfriend Gail Kim (WTF was that about?) offer comments on the Rumble, but the Bella Twins interrupt with apologies for their previous shenanigans. That ends up very badly for everyone.
Royal Rumble:
This was the one year they tried 40 men, due to all the Nexus and Corre guys needing spots. CM Punk draws #1, and we suddenly get a giant Nexus v. Corre brawl until the anonymous RAW GM breaks it up with an e-mail. And then the #2 guy is Daniel Bryan. So that’s an awesome way to start. We get some teased eliminations as the crowd is heavily torn between these two internet geeks that no one cares about. Bryan misses a charge and Justin Gabriel is #3. He attacks Punk and quickly tries the 450, but it misses and Bryan dumps him at 2:35. Bryan goes back to beating on Punk as Zack Ryder is #4, long before he meant anything on TV. Broski boot on Punk and the Roughrider, but Bryan dumps him at 3:57. Sign at ringside: “Jobber Exit This Way” Now there’s some quality snark. William Regal is #5 and he wants to beat on everyone. I approve. He suplexes both guys around and knees Punk down, then has an awesome forearm battle with Bryan. And then everyone trades stiff kicks until only Bryan remains. Ted Dibiase is #6 and he’s throwing dropkicks! Bryan tries to get him out, and John Morrison is #7. He runs wild and hits Bryan with a C-4, but Dibiase dumps him…and he lands on the railing and hangs on! He jumps to the stairs (itself an amazing spot) and stays in. Why do they not throw money at this guy and bring him back? Yoshi Tatsu is #8 because, you know, 40 men. Regal gets eliminated at some point during the JoMo parkour show, call it 10:00. Husky Harris is #9 and he’s running interference for Punk, and he’s definitely in better shape these days. Chavo Guerrero is #10 as more filler, and hits the Three Amigos on Dibiase, Punk, Morrison and finally Bryan. Harris lays him out to end that run.
Mark Henry is #11 and splits wigs, dumping Chavo at 15:21 and Tatsu at 15:49. JTG is #12 because 40 men. Husky beats on Bryan, who promptly quits and joins the Harris family rather than fight on. No, wait, that’s not right, that would be fucking stupid. Michael McGuillicutty is #13, and he’s also Team Punk for those like myself who can’t keep track without a scorecard. He dropkicks JTG out at 18:10, and there’s a real accomplishment for your resume. The Nexus geeks backdrop Dibiase out at 19:08, and Chris Masters is #14. There’s another guy they need to get back again. Masterlock on Punk looks to put him out, but Perfect Jr. makes the save. David Otunga is #15, and Bryan gets dumped at 21:16, followed by Masters at 21:23, Morrison at 21:40, and Mark Henry at 22:05 to finish clearing the ring. Tyler Reks is #16 and he’s pretty much fucked given it’s the Nexus all alone in there. And they swarm Reks and toss him at 23:07. Vlad Koslov is #17 and he gives it a go, but as a comedy guy he gets nowhere and the Nexus destroys him at 24:35. R-Truth is #18 but he’s not high level enough and also gets mauled and thrown out with suitable snark by Punk at 26:30. I think we can all see the payoff for this gag coming. Great Khali is #19 and he manages to fight them off and toss Harris at 27:48. Mason Ryan replaces him as the Nexus guy at #20, however, and dumps Khali at 28:40 to leave it all Nexus, all the time.
John Cena has to be coming soon here to clear the heels out, especially with all the dead space of the Nexus waiting for their next victims. Booker T makes is surprise return at #21, however, and the crowd goes insane. Striker is marking out, bro. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. Booker manages to hold his own and gives us a Spinarooni, at which point Punk blindsides him and Ryan tosses him at 31:15. Punk is feeling confident about his chances at this point, and HERE’S John Cena to pay this off. OK, finally. Great Khali was one too many. And yes, Cena kicks the shit out of them and rids us of Otunga, Ryan and McGillicutty at 33:00 at one time. Punk is alone and tries a GTS, but Cena clotheslines him down and both guys are out. Hornswoggle is #23, pulling double duty after two anonymous GM e-mails, and I’m not liking his chances here. An irritated Punk kicks him down and goes after Cena, but gets FU’d to the floor at 35:40 to end his night. Cena makes peace with the midget and Tyson Kidd is #24. Hornswoggle takes him down with a flying headscissors in a physics-defying move, and then hits his own FU to allow Cena to finish him off at 37:23. Geez, poor Kidd. Heath Slater is #25 and he too is no match for MIDGET MADNESS, as he takes a 10 Knuckle Shuffle and frog splash before going goodbye at 39:08. Kofi Kingston is #26 to hopefully end the alleged comedy, and they’re STARING AT THE SIGN to really hammer home how serious this is. So Kofi controls with a dropkick and hammers away in the corner, but Jack Swagger is #27. He takes out both babyfaces, but stops to yell at Hornswoggle and gets Boomdropped as a result. This midget stuff is really killing the flow of the match. King Sheamus is #28 in his heel bully phase, and he beats up Hornswoggle to prove that. And thankfully boots him out at 44:11. Rey Mysterio is #29 as thankfully things can get serious again, and he runs wild on everyone until Sheamus cuts him off. Swagger gets eliminated via 619 at 45:59, and I’ve got some good news: Wade Barrett is #30. The bad news: There’s still 10 more guys to come.
So he runs wild and hits Cena with the bossman slam, but Kofi throws kicks in the corner as Dolph Ziggler is #31 and everyone gangs up on Cena with no success. Diesel is #32 for the mega-pop of the night, with freshly dyed hair. I know it can’t happen for a variety of reasons, but can you imagine the reaction Scott Hall would get coming out for a Rumble spot as Razor Ramon one last time? Nash beats on a variety of guys, but Drew McIntyre is #33 as the crowd is unabashedly cheering for Diesel. DO YOU SEE WHAT THIS CROWD DID?! If you want to point fingers for the way the Summer of Punk went, look no further than this crowd. THANKS A LOT, JERKS. Alex Riley is #34 as Barrett boots Diesel out at 52:44, and everyone starts ignoring the match while Cole sucks up to the Miz at the commentary desk. Big Show is #35 and we get a Show-Diesel staredown that thankfully went nowhere. Show chokeslams some people and tosses Ziggler at 55:09, and then Drew at 55:28. Big Zeke is #36 and he immediately throws Big Show out a 56:00. He’s still under contract, by the way. Just sitting at home doing nothing. Speaking of sitting at home doing nothing, Santino is #37 and foolishly goes after Jackson, resulting in him getting knocked out of the ring under the bottom rope. Alberto Del Rio is #38 and Riley gets eliminated off-screen. Del Rio’s entrance is so long that Randy Orton is #39 before he even makes it to the ring, and Orton lays out Del Rio on the floor. In the ring, RKO for Del Rio, RKO for Sheamus, RKO for Kofi and out at 61:00, Sheamus out at 61:06. And then Cena and Orton have the biggest Wrestlemania Moment Epic Fail in history, as they point to the sign and the crowd shits all over it. Awesome. And Kane is #40 to close out the bloated field.
Kane takes out Orton and dumps Jackson at 62:53, but Rey catches him in a headscissors and dumps him at 63:51, only to get tossed out by Barrett at 64:00. The final four: Cena, Barrett, Orton and Del Rio. Barrett gets Cena to the apron but can’t close the deal, and again we get the stupid Cena v. Orton tease. Barrett breaks it up with a suplex on Orton, and Cena hits Del Rio with an FU. This brings Miz into the ring to dump Cena at 66:54, setting up their epic Wrestlemania fail. So Orton is alone against Barrett and Del Rio, and he manages to hold his own. He bumps Wade at 68:56, but Del Rio dumps him right back at 69:00 to win the thing. However, TWIST ENDING, as Santino is still alive under the ring, and he loads up the Cobra, but also can’t close and gets eliminated for real at 70:17 to give Del Rio the win and MAIN EVENT OF WRESTLEMANIA. By which I mean the opening match where he did the job while the crowd was still coming in. This had its moments, but the whole Nexus segment was way too long, and the Cena-midget comedy segment that followed was also too long, basically filling up the extra time with unneeded bloat where a 30 man Rumble would have served the purpose much better. Still, it’s a Rumble, it’s generally pretty good even with the flaws of this year. ***1/4
The Pulse
Four matches, two were pretty good, two not at all, but that’s a good enough ratio for a recommendation. I literally couldn’t have told you any of the matches aside from the Rumble, though, which shows how forgettable this whole period was. And everyone forgot to buy Wrestlemania as a result.
Thumbs mildly up.
I kept waiting to read about the Michael Cole Rumble entry, but quickly realized that it was the next year... which brought me to the sad realization that we all had to endure more than a FULL CALENDAR YEAR of Michael Cole's obnoxious heel act. This company knew just how to troll their fanbase.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised at how good Ziggler/Edge was. I was someone who thought Edge wasn't all that great in the ring since his title reign ended in 2006 but he and Ziggler brought the goods here.
ReplyDeleteIt makes Dolph's current situation all the more perplexing. Look through all the times they gave him a "big match". Here against Edge, throw out star ratings, but the crowd is on fire and into it. They were having fun watching that. Look at Dolph's match with Punk on Raw and again at the Rumble. The fans were into it and they delivered before booking kicked in. TLC 2012 against Cena. Crowd is going nuts. His cash in on Del Rio and their match at whatever PPV they wrestled at.
Every big match they've given Dolph he has delivered. Not just with star ratings, but crowd heat and enjoyment. That makes it all the more confusing that's he's Zack Ryder.
I'd also love to see John Morrison return. He was killing it during his time on Smackdown in 2009 and by the time 2011 rolled around he did not look out of place in the main event. I don't know if Scott reviewed TLC 2010 but JoMo and Sheamus have an awesome, old school ladder match that reminded me a lot of Shawn-Razor in terms of the participants and their styles. The match is great too. One of the best singles ladder matches.
That match fucking blows. Easily Shawn's worst match, or at least the worst one I've ever seen.
ReplyDelete"And then Cena and Orton have the biggest Wrestlemania Moment Epic Fail in history, as they point to the sign and the crowd shits all over it."
ReplyDeleteWell, thank God they didn't end up feuding those two again.
Wait... shit...
The 2012 Royal Rumble match is one of my favorites. The booking really worked for me. Even the comedy stuff with Santino, Foley, and the announcers worked. Plus, Jericho and Sheamus going at it at the end was a great ending.
ReplyDelete"There have been matches just as bad but those had the decency to end in under 20 minutes."
ReplyDeleteSometimes even 20 is too much, look at HHH/Steiner or Sabu/Sandman. Though both of those are in the "so bad it's great" category for me.
Maybe with Batista back, he will want one of his favorite road whores brought back....
ReplyDeleteId have preferred Orton/Cena at Mania rather than the Miz/Cena/Rock mess we wound up with...
ReplyDeleteRE: Ziggler
ReplyDeleteApparently, all of that amounts to dick if you talk any kind of shit about the beloved Bella Twins or the cash cow that is Total Divas.
The first LMS match (at least in WWF/E, NWA/WCW and other companies have been doing them forever) was 15 years ago? Fuck, that makes me feel old.
ReplyDeleteWhat did he even say about Total Divas? I was tuned out at that point.
ReplyDeleteIt kind of does. It always bothers me that people kick out of the pins. Why? Fuck that, let him pin you and then get up at 9. Conserve your energy in a long match where ever you can.
ReplyDeleteThere's a whole ton of gimmick matches I'd never like to see again. Bullrope/strap/chain (only if it's touch all 4 corners, if it's pinfall rules I'm fine with them), I quit, casket/stretcher/ambulance, ironman, anything on a pole, and any match that doesn't take place in an actual ring. They can all piss off.
ReplyDeleteI liked how it only took Scott minutes into the opening match to bury Matt Striker. It was nice unintentional foreshadowing of what was to come in the Rumble. Of which basically cost Striker his announcing gig.
ReplyDeleteThe first HITC is my favorite match ever, which is weird when you consider that I hate one of the people in it.
ReplyDeleteFor anyone who doubts WWE's commitment to Bryan, his on-screen character has boned for divas than John Cena's character. Think about that for a second.
ReplyDeleteI always though HBK/Y2J was great, like ****1/2. Though I'm a huge mark for both guys.
ReplyDeleteGAMEJACK!~
ReplyDeleteThe first 30 respondants to this post will be entered in the First Annual Zanatude Royal Rumble Invitational. I will draw random numbers for each respondant, which will correspond to the number of the entrant in the Royal Rumble, who will be your avatar in the match.
The winner will receive...uh, something. Maybe. We'll see.
Will only do this if 30 people respond.
And...go!
Here's how I feel about it: if Kane just became another Yankem/fake Diesel, I would knock 1/4* too. But considering that Kane is still in WWE 17 years later, I think we can give it a pass.
ReplyDeleteI can't see myself ever watching that again, it's almost more of a snuff flick than a match.
ReplyDeleteGuessing it wont be a true BOD Royal Rumble if MR. TOP 16 himself isnt entered....
ReplyDeleteWhen Cena bones em, they wind up out of a job....
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll bite. I'm also guessing it won't be a true BOD Royal Rumble if Mr. Top Whatever My Rank Is isn't entered...
ReplyDeleteIt would still be a true BOD Royal Rumble if I didn't enter.
ReplyDeleteBut I will all the same.
Really, if you think about it, everything significant in the past 2 years has been the fallout of this Rumble match. Punk and Bryan spend the first portion tearing the house down and getting loud dueling chants, but Cena/Orton gets a crowd of crickets with their hands in their pockets? And then Punk and Bryan both get huge outside of our control? Fuck it, we're going to contrive a way to do Cena/Orton no matter how long it takes!
ReplyDeleteHmm!
ReplyDeleteYesterday I re-watched the Chamber match that Morrison was in from the February 2011 PPV. He was one of the first two guys in and lasted until the very end. He was involved in several of the big spots in the match, got to eliminate Sheamus, and really came off like a star. Unfortunately, the whole thing with snubbing Trish happened at Mania a month later, which in hindsight was terrible, terrible timing.
ReplyDeleteThe first HIAC holds up fantastic for me. I don't think I'll ever tire of watching it. Michaels' bumping and the story the match tells of HBK finally having nowhere to run and having to use his smarts to try to survive were great.
ReplyDeleteI like to be included in things!
ReplyDeleteReally hoping I get Zack Ryder.
ReplyDeleteMorrison should have won this thing. Miz/Morrison for the WWE title with Cena/Taker on top main eventing. Much better show.
ReplyDeleteI dunno - he showed against Austin that he could have a fantastic brawl if need be, and I think his heelish offense during the end of his time in WWE would have held up perfectly fine in the Attitude Era. Granted, he just didn't want to be there for that, so it's moot anyway, but I think he could have made it work had he wanted to.
ReplyDeleteHBK/Jarrett doesn't hold up?!?! You're fucking insane.
ReplyDeleteDean Malenko was like that for me. Objectively, I could look at a him as a talented worker, but he always bored me to tears.
ReplyDeleteOrton actually hasn't retired the Garvin stomp. He used it against Big E on Smackdown!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, though I think HHH/Jericho from Fully Loaded '00 is a notable exception.
ReplyDeleteBut then we would've been denied Triple H-Undertaker II!
ReplyDeleteSadly, I have to agree.
ReplyDeleteBut what's the point?
ReplyDeleteThat ladder match is probably the best match that I've seen the WWE do in the last couple of years. It was ****+. Unfortunately, Morrison just faced the Miz on RAW in a falls count anywhere match and jobbed clean.
ReplyDeleteMelina really screwed over Morrison's career. It was like a modern day Sunny-Chris Candido situation.
ReplyDeleteWhich is so stupid on a variety of levels because it's not like people aren't going to watch the show based on Ziggler not liking it.
ReplyDeleteHeel Cole caused me to just quit watching for about 2 years.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't really paying attention to WWE during this period. What happened with Trish that hurt Morrison's career?
ReplyDeleteI am announcing that I will be one of the 30 men participating in the Zanatude Royal Rumble Invitational.
ReplyDeleteMorrison from November 2010-the Trish snubbing was awesome and booked pretty well. The only thing I'd change is doing him vs. Miz at the Rumble instead of a throwaway on Raw.
ReplyDeleteThey were in a 6 person tag at WM. Word is that Melina thought she should be in the match with Morrison and Snooki instead of Trish. During the post match celebration, Morrison pretty obviously snubbed Trish when she tried to celebrate their win. He avoids her and it didn't immediately go down hill but soon thereafter his career departed off a cliff.
ReplyDeleteA lot of the charm of ECW was in the story telling on the show, because it really subsidized the matches with sub-par workers - of which there were a lot. Even matches with good-to-great workers, IMO, were hurt by the circle jerking, chain wrestle then wait for the fans to cheer moments.
ReplyDeleteWhen you watch ECW matches now, without the benefit of the story behind them, they lose a lot more than a WWF or WCW match of the same era.
I hath responded to announce my participation in the battle Royal
ReplyDeleteIt is with some reluctance, that I announce my (dramatic pause) candidacy, in the 1997 (& Zanatude's) Royal Rumble.
ReplyDeletewhere's Dude Love's "PICK ME STEVE" sign?
ReplyDeleteSo it was Boston, huh? Thanks, Massholes, for cheering Kevin Nash. Dicks.
ReplyDeleteWrestleMania XXVII is one of few WMs to have 1,000,000+ buys. Turns out no one forgot to buy it.
ReplyDeleteI'm hungry and I'm gonna forget my manners!!!! I mean, I'm in.
ReplyDeleteI guess I was one of the few Cole Miners back then.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's because I feel that Ross jumped the shark back in 2003 with Lawler, but I've always liked him.
Shouldn't it be the first 40?
ReplyDeleteBut still, say that your company is big on a future project, and the media happens to ask you about it. What do you do if you're not a fan of it??
ReplyDelete*YOU FRIGGIN LIE!!!!!!!!*
But that match was barely 1 year after their long loooonnggg feud. 3 more years have passed since. For a lot of new fans, it's a fresh match, as hard as it is to believe.
ReplyDeletethe ending also worked pretty great because for a second there truely seemed to be the chance that they would give the win to Santino (of course, until he started to parade around the ring).
ReplyDeleteI guess it's because people are (well: were) really buying into Santino's "underdog" act (I guess it has been done too often without any good payoff now). just look at Elimination Chamber 2012 for further proof.
Yep, and at least it would have been a Face vs Face dynamic this time, so the match could have been slightly different.
ReplyDeleteThey were cheering for Diesel in an "I love watching him come back and kick ass for a minute in this jobber Rumble" way; not an "I want this guy in a 3 month main event program" way.
ReplyDeleteAgree too. Not to mention that at least Orton wouldn't be a third wheel in the whole Cena/Rock angle.
ReplyDeleteI always thought Morrisson should of faced Miz at the Rumble and goes to show WWE's creative shortsightedness: They thought that because Orton was a bigger name that beating him would turn Miz into a star, whereas the tv match Miz had with Morrisson, Morrisson managed to turn Miz into a star way more than his match with Orton.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but Rock basically saved the show for them. If it wasn't for The Rock who knows how the show would've went down.
ReplyDeleteWhat did he do to cost him his announcing gig?
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with anything? His point still stands.
ReplyDeleteI never understood why when Nash returned during the Summer of Punk angle that he couldn't have kept his Diesel monkier. Diesel was over. Nash was not.
ReplyDeleteWin.
ReplyDeleteI want in!
ReplyDeleteWith my luck, I'll get Xavier Woods
ReplyDeleteOoooh yeah!
ReplyDeleteYes, but the WWE can't differentiate.
ReplyDeleteSincerely, Hulk Hogan circa 2003
He was marking out, bro!
ReplyDeleteI'll also repeat my quote from that 2011 Rumble thread last week, when Big Show came in.
ReplyDeleteStriker: "To put this in perspective, The tallest player in the NHL is Zdeno Chara at 6'9", who plays in this building
Cole: "WHO CARES??!???"
Striker: "uh... And Kevin Garnett, 6'11, also plays in this buil....
Cole: "WWHHOOO CCAARREEESSS??!?!????"
I wonder if anyone in the back ever had a conversation with Striker about not coming off like that big a fan on commentary, maybe toning it down a bit. If he ignored them, then I understand the push back, but if no one ever spoke to him about it, it's not really fair to him.
ReplyDeleteI will point at a sign to announce my entrance.
ReplyDeleteThey had a great chemistry together.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I'd be game for another forty man Rumble. The roster is big enough to support it. This year alone, you could have...
ReplyDeleteCM Punk
Brock Lesnar
Daniel Bryan
Batista
Big Show
Alberto Del Rio
Big E. Langston
Dean Ambrose
Seth Rollins
Roman Reigns
Bray Wyatt
Erick Rowan
Luke Harper
Cody Rhodes
Goldust
Antonio Cesaro
Jack Swagger
Bad News Barrett
Rey Mysterio
Ryback
Brodus Clay
Fandango
Sin Cara
The Miz
Kofi Kingston
R-Truth
Xavier Woods
Curtis Axel
Damien Sandow
Heath Slater
Jinder Mahal
Drew McIntyre
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
The Great Khali
And then fill the last five spots with Legends. Maybe give the spots to Too Cool, Rikishi, and the New Age Outlaws. And there's your 40.
Although I suppose 30 allows for a better, more focused story for the match. But eh, I'm an unabashed fan of excess.
I don't know. There were some good Japanese matches that have pushed 60 minutes.
ReplyDeleteEither the average fan isn't conditioned for it in the US or the wrestler isn't capable of keeping the fans interested that long.
Can't upvote this enough; made me genuinely laugh out loud.
ReplyDeleteFrom a pure kayfabe perspective, why wouldn't he roll off those stats? He's playing up that Big Show is the world's largest athlete, much bigger than the big men of "real sports" that regularly play in that building. Makes sense to me.
ReplyDeletePlus the ending of Barrett/Orton at Survivor Series...
ReplyDelete"Cena's free!"
"Cena's fired..." (The "DUMBASS!" is silent)
I actually feel HHH/Foley is has the best storyline.
ReplyDeleteStop downvoting me, Bret.
ReplyDeleteBut that goes back to having a good dance partner.
ReplyDeleteI better get Dolph or Ryder
ReplyDeleteLawler's heart attack was in late 2012 and that's essentially when he turned face, so he was still a heel at RR that year.
ReplyDeleteSee, I really enjoyed the Nexus bit and thought it was booked perfectly. It annoys me from time to time that there isn't more of that kind of story in the Rumble because it would make sense for a tag team or a stable to dominate for awhile until the big megastar cleans house. The 40 man Rumble worked great for it too because it let them do that story and you still had another half of a match to go.
ReplyDeleteI was marking out thinking thet might let Santino win since there was no clear cut favorite in this one. Hoping they'd let him win then make him put the title shot up at EC or Raw since he hid under the ring or whatever. They easily could have later switched it
ReplyDeleteI kind of agree, but I think he took a bit too long to set it up. I was actually laughing when Cole totally destroyed him.
ReplyDeleteThe Nexus bit is one of the best things they ever did in the Rumble. Perfect way to clean out the dead space,
ReplyDeleteAnd the Khali thing works perfectly when you consider each new entrant is higher up on the totem pole. They even let Khali toss someone to make you think the Nexus run might end, only to make you hate them even more when Mason Ryan comes out. It's really great booking and having Cena come in and clear the ring is the perfect payoff.
His point was if things had remained status quo, no rock return after 7 years away, there's no way it does 1 million
ReplyDeleteI feel like they did it perfectly. The tease, the possible "feel good moment"... Then the rightful winner won. The Rumble is one of the few things they haven't really devalued yet, so I'm glad Santino didn't win it. (Sure ADR didn't set the world on fire, but he was on a major roll at the time).
ReplyDeleteI hate they easily could've switched it. Then you're just cheapening the Rumble and making the whole thing pointless.
ReplyDeleteCompletely disagree - he couldn't "outshine" Miz on the mic, but Morrison had a LOT of really good (and even great) matches. His DVD is seriously one of the best match-compilation sets they've ever released.
ReplyDelete(IMO, of course.)
See, I'm of the belief that they should let a midcarder win it 1 year just to reiterate the fact that anyone can win it. This would have been the perfect year. As long as they don't do not very often it still remains protected.
ReplyDeleteBut that's like saying "If Tom Brady didn't get 5 TD passes, then the Patriots would have lost to the Bills". He WAS there, so it's a really bad argument. He was just saying that Scott claimed that nobody bought WM, but people DID buy it. Doesn't matter for who, bottom line, it did 1 mill buys.
ReplyDeleteI still haven't totally gotten over the one that Vince won, it nearly ruined the entire thing. I mean if they wanna give a solid mid-carder like Kofi, where they could build it as his "one and only big shot", then fine. But a pure comedy wrestler like Santino? Meh...
ReplyDeleteIf they did it 1 year then it doesn't hurt the "prestige" of the rumble. They've protected it really well. I'm not for "switching the title shot" I'm for letting a mid carder win it once just to reiterate it the fact that anyone can
ReplyDeleteCount me in.
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't there at the time of the rumble. He came back at the go home for EC. I'm sure they were in negotiations but I doubt they every viewed his return as a sure thing until the day he signed his name on the contract
ReplyDelete"Speaking of sitting at home doing nothing, Santino is #37 and foolishly goes after Jackson, resulting in him getting knocked out of the ring under the bottom rope."
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, Santino owns what appears to be a pretty nice looking MMA/wrestling training centre, so he's likely to at least be doing something.
I actually didn't mind the Vince one. It wasn't what i would have booked but Austin/Vince was the hottest thing going, it was driving business, Vince was the #1 heel, and it set up the SVDM match so got their rationale at least. It was the follow up that was stupid. Vince should have put up the title shot vs Austins career at the ppv. Instead he just gave it up on Raw
ReplyDeleteDoes the winner get a match vs Jobber123 for the undisputed top spot for the BoD?
ReplyDeleteAnd......go!
ReplyDeleteIt was posted here a couple of days ago.
ReplyDeleteWas that the full show one? Then it shouldn't be hard to find.
ReplyDeleteYuppers.
ReplyDeleteMichael Cole's commentary totally ruined that match. He's like shitting his pants over a much less impactful chair shot not more than a fucking minute before Rock just starts whaling on Mick...then he undersells the really brutal part.
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, not really a particularly good match at all, and really, in retrospect, all of the big matches in that feud are really underwhelming. Certainly less awesome than I remember them seeming at the time.
They also no-sold the Cena/Orton standoff twice, so I think it evens out.
ReplyDeleteWhen your a kid, all of gimmicks look neat, then the older you get, they don't look as good as you remember them.
ReplyDeleteI was a kid when ECW was around, and even then it didn't really do it for me. Not that they didn't do some cool shit from time to time, but yeah, the lack of psychology and complete clusterfuck atmosphere just got boring after a while.
ReplyDeleteWE...THE PEOPLE!
ReplyDeleteJust looking at his live reaction in the background when Booker's music hits is so embarrassing. I understand his being a huge fanboy 'n all, but there's a time to be a fanboy and a time to be a professional. That was not the former.
ReplyDeleteDel Rio won... that guy just screams mid card.
ReplyDeleteSome of that's not his fault, though. Bret could have been absolutely awesome in WCW, but of course the bookers there completely fucked that up.
ReplyDeleteHaving two world titles at the time was a perfect time to let a mid carder win as you wouldn't even need to swap it out...
ReplyDelete.....in other sports, you sometimes have the cinderella story where a low seed comes out of nowhere and makes the finals and its a great story.....
... I feel with the right guy, its a fresh enough underdog story that the fans could and would buy into it and you make a guy in the process regardless if he wins or loses....
With Batista playing the role of Shawn Michaels?
ReplyDeleteCount me in
ReplyDeleteMiz & Morrison could have become a true main event tag team.
ReplyDeleteHogan came in and put over half the roster, not sure why he still gets hate over that run...
ReplyDelete...sure he got a nostalgia run with the belt for a month but I think in part it was Vince wanting Hogan to be the final WWF champion and Hogan definitely earned that...
The entire Wrestlemania XIX card has really grown on me and I seem to like it the more and more I view it.
ReplyDeleteNot at the time. He was undefeated, and he made Rey tap out in his debut match. He really should have won the WHC at Mania, no offense to Edge.
ReplyDeleteI will gladly be token comedy jobber.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Austin winning in 97 and McMahon winning in 99 didn't hurt it.
ReplyDeleteNash as leader of the wolfpac says hello. Before the finger poke dude was the most over he has ever been. Lets also not forget the worst year long title reign ever to boot as diesel.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to get into semantics. I know Nash drew more money in WCW than he ever did in WWF. I guess my point was Diesel in 2011 was more over than Nash in 2011.
ReplyDeletePut my name in the hat.
ReplyDeleteDAMN!
ReplyDeleteHe did have one funny moment on the Raw were Miz interrupted Stone Cold. Cole climbed onto his announce table cheering and pumping his fist, then when he sat back down said in a super excited mark voice "I wonder if he saw me!" I thought that was one of the times they actually pulled it off pretty well because it was so over the top.
ReplyDeleteThe iron man match at wm12 gets better every time I watch it
ReplyDeleteWe had a crowd of about 10/12 people watching this rumble live and when Santino popped out and started loading up the cobra, everyone was marking out huge. The year later when it came down to Santino and DB in the Elimination Chamber, we were marking out like crazy again. I mean, I know they never intended to give Santino the World Title, but surely a one month reign for him would've been better than the Swagger or Khali runs.
ReplyDeleteHe used that great 2002 run where he was good guy Hogan to evolve into Affliction t shirt megadouche Hogan that we deal with now.
ReplyDeleteLate?
ReplyDeleteThat's all semantics, though. Everybody old enough to "mark out" for Diesel at the Rumble knew that Nash and Diesel are one in the same. Sure, he dyed his hair to have that "Diesel" look, but if Michael Cole had said, "Look! That's Diesel!" instead of "Kevin Nash" at SummerSlam, it wouldn't have made jack shit of a difference to anybody.
ReplyDeleteas mentioned before in this topic, just look at the crowd reaction he got in 2012s Elimination Chamber.
ReplyDeleteSantino seems to be one of the very few "comedy wrestlers" that has a "genuine" emotional connection to the audience.
(unfortunately I am afraid that ship has sailed. you can only do those "man, he is actually gonna pull this off!" moments so often and let the guy fail before the crowd stops caring enough)
I don't know if anyone said it below, but the DB Gail Kim thing was actually a big payoff to another story.
ReplyDeleteThe Bellas were pulling a Y2J Christian scenario where they were trying to see which one of them would score with Bryan to become his first. During one backstage segment, they barged into his locker room to see him kissing Gail Kim. There was an ok joke in there.
Bella: But I thought you were a V...
Bryan: Oh yeah, I'm a vegan. Can't eat meat.
The thing I loved about that match was that while Santino was the likeable plucky underdog... It was Daniel Freaking Bryan who was the overwhelming favorite to retain his World Title. That was pretty damn cool.
ReplyDeletepersonally, I love that.
ReplyDeleteHe was on the verge of crying.
ReplyDeleteI know everyone knows Diesel and Nash are the same person, but Nash/Diesel are two different characters. Nash plays his Nash role more as a
ReplyDeletecomedy character, whereas he plays the Diesel character
as an unstoppable badass. and if the angle played out exactly as it was it but they replaced Nash with Diesel it still would've turned to crap.
But if they ended Summerslam like this; Punk wins the match and celebrates, all of a sudden Diesel music plays and he casually strolls down the aisle and hits Punk with all his Diesel spots before ADR cashes in. I'm sure that would have gone over better than what we actually got.
"I've been a fan all my life, you live for stuff like this, LISTEN!"
ReplyDeleteI think that's awesome.
The moral of the story: Bryan traded down.
ReplyDeleteThe other moral of the story, Brie won.
ReplyDeleteI am incredibly jealous of Daniel Bryan (At least storyline wise). 3 of my biggest turn ons/fantasies are...
ReplyDeleteCrazy Chics (AJ)
Asian women (Gail Kim)
Twins (One of the Bellas).
So yep, BURY THE GUY, WWE CREATIVE... SHOW NO MERCY!!
That made me laugh.
ReplyDeleteisn't the Orton/Triple H LMS match pretty much the only good match these two ever had?
ReplyDeletewhat? ironman is an awesome stipulation.
ReplyDeleteabsolute agree on both of those.
ReplyDeleteAnd then Cena and Orton have the biggest Wrestlemania Moment Epic Fail in history, as they point to the sign and the crowd shits all over it. Awesome.
ReplyDeleteI'm smiling just thinking about it. And yet, they're STILL headlining shows and might even end up main eventing Wrestlemania this year. That says it all, doesn't it?
exactly. to me King of the Ring 1993 is the best example why I always thought Bret Hart was awesome.
ReplyDeleteyou're obviously right: that spot belongs to Randy Savage.
ReplyDeleteexactly. between 1992 and 1995 he was putting on good matches with pretty much everybody, Fatu, Isaac Yankem, Papa Shango .....
ReplyDelete'Why do they not throw money at this guy and bring him back?'
ReplyDeleteb/c melina would be mad and he's her doormat
wow, two different rumble crowds (this and '94) that influenced the booking of diesel
ReplyDeleteBecause of the rock
ReplyDeleteit should be noted hot freaking hot the crowd was for santino at the very end
ReplyDeleteOk
ReplyDeletei still want to know what the plan was in case rock didnt appear
ReplyDeleteno way miz walks out of the show with the title, and with no rock at all, i highly doubt miz even walks into the show with the title. as much i think the rock has overstayed his welcome, miz/cena doesnt put butts in seats, and rock was responsible for the buyrate
and reneke's epic meltdown (or was that the year before?)
ReplyDeleteI was into his heel schtick at first but it got grating after a while
ReplyDeletei'm someone else!
ReplyDeleteThe Vince one was stupid considering the next night he relinquishes his title shot and Austin gets the title shot since he's the runner up.
ReplyDeleteI'm in?
ReplyDeleteTotally. I think Cena-Taker would have made sense that year. HHH could face someone else. If Cena-Rock was always the end goal, maybe Rock's involvement helps preserve the Streak and sets up Wm28. Cena could still challenge Taker for another go-around at a later date (without Rock's interference). Miz-Morrison made plenty of sense.
ReplyDeleteI contend that Edge should have been a surprise entry and won the thing, after retainig the WHT in the opener. Then the build to "Elimination Chamber" could be "Will Edge still be WH champ when he challenges the WWE Champ at Wrestlemania?" Have Cena win the WWE title at the Chamber, then do a unification at Wrestlemania 27. The last couple years of two titles meant nothing anyway.
ReplyDeleteDidn't bother counting, but if we haven't reached 30 I'll play.
ReplyDeleteIt's still one of my favorites just for sentimental reasons, but there's way too much stalling in that match.
ReplyDeleteif the howl of the wolfpac hit same response lol.
ReplyDeleteHey yo
ReplyDeleteI count 33 at this point. If anyone draws a number higher than 30, I say we make them have a Michael Cole avatar.
ReplyDeleteThe Rock was ALWAYS returning....that's why they booked things the way they did.
ReplyDeleteThe point is correct: no one forgot to buy WrestleMania. In fact, it was the 2nd biggest wrestling PPV of all time at the time.
And the 1994 Rumble was in Providence, which is basically Boston South.
ReplyDeleteSo really...Kevin Nash's entire career could be blamed on Massholes.
Youre going to put that much effort in? Kudos to you, sir.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of the dumbest things ever posted on this site. And jesse Baker posts here. Please support this with facts of wwe "knowing" rock was gonna a return. They ALWAYS knew? Did they know in late 2020 when they were building up Miz and Morrison?
ReplyDeleteYou can only talk about how Big Show's hands are like frying pans.
ReplyDeleteQuite the revisionist history with the Miz here. He was pretty hot in 2010...it was only until the Rock showed up and the feud became Rock/Cena with Miz on the side that he turned into a sideshow.
ReplyDeleteAnd based on the buyrate for this show...and the MEGA buyrate for WM 28...I'm pretty sure no one in Stamford was losing sleep over the WM 27 mess.
This makes entrant #30. Thanks for your interest!
ReplyDeleteLater this week, I shall go to random.org to randomize the list, and announce the draw in some form or other.
Alternates in case someone below drops out for some reason:
1. Mar Solo
2. theJawas
3. nppyinzer
4. bignasty96
The thirty participants (NOT currently in order) will be:
YJ2310
JohnPetuka
Stephen Jones
Matt Hayden
Fistic Glory
cultstatus
LScisco
AmericanWolves02
Kyle Warne
Power_of_Hogans_HOF_Ring
nebb28
Andree Dean
Charlie Owens
MrJustinB
The Cooler
Stever Ferrari
Paul Moseley
OfficerFarva
kylelitke
Stuart_Chartlock
Knowwon Attawi
Stranger in the Alps
Knuckleberry Pinn
ThePat
Sirplss
ABeyAnce1
ziggaman730
PATRICKisLEGEND
jobber123
Your_Favorourite_Loser
' in case someone below drops out for some reason:'
ReplyDelete...or is *ahem* unable to participate
*dramatic music*
Yes and no. Having Cena come in and get beat down while fighting back valiantly would sell Nexus as a lot more of a threat, THEN eliminate Nexus guys when Cena survives long enough for some backup (Booker would have been PERFECT there, or an up-and-comer to get the rub) to get over the idea that Cena can take any member of the Nexus 1v1, but can't deal with them collectively. That, I think, would have been the better booking.
ReplyDeleteProbably Miz's best match ever, though.
ReplyDeleteOk, wow, I disagree. I think Morrison's the biggest missed opportunity they've had. Guy had great matches with Miz (a slug), Sheamus (mostly a slug), Bryan (obviously great), Ziggler (ditto), and Rey (pretty good). He was stupid over, and had a great look and unique style. And, while he stunk at WWE scripted promos, on the rare occasions when they let him be himself (Dirt Sheet, calling Miz Marty Janetty), he was pretty great on the mic. Guy absolutely could and should have been a main eventer.
ReplyDeleteI think it did. You had that four year stretch where three times they fucked with the Rumble winner and it started to make the whole thing seem less important in my eyes. At least in 2002 they just gave HHH the shot right back
ReplyDeleteReplace Miz and Khali with Generico and PAC and we're good to go.
ReplyDeleteI think he was being sarcastic.
ReplyDeleteWhat new fans?
ReplyDeleteMelina and Morrison were coked out of their minds?
ReplyDeleteThis perfectly describes the reasons that I hated the Attitude Era.
ReplyDeleteI fucking despise Del Rio and was hoping that somehow Santino (or Santonio as my step son calls him) would somehow win
ReplyDeleteYeah she must be a fantastic fuck for all he has given up for her... like she must make Angelina Jolie look like your hand.
ReplyDeletePretty much the whole "Attitude" era doesn't hold up for me.
ReplyDeleteTaker and HHH wrestled at WM17. This was II.
ReplyDeleteI read that Nash said if he never stepped foot in a ring again he could retire happily on that night alone, hearing a sold out 18,000+ crowd erupt & chant his name in unison.....just that one....last....time. Meh, idk. Good for him I guess. Is Nash overrated? I can't decide. A big player for sure though.
ReplyDeleteIt should be noted that I was makring the fuck out in my apartment.
ReplyDeleteScott's description of the Rumble makes it sound considerably better than ***1/4.
ReplyDeleteBut don't ever push the guy, even though he's fucking over.
ReplyDeleteIm not speaking of buyrates, as a fan I could give zero fucks how much money the McMahon family made on what is easily one of the top 5 worst WMs....
ReplyDelete....Miz was not as hot as you recall, if he was, he wouldve had another run with the title....
....And yes, Cena/Miz and Rock hosting was a mess....
If you are speaking of his TNA days, his name gets him paid and it should but they didnt know how to utilize him correctly....
ReplyDeleteIm guessing they knew he was coming back as he has a busy schedule and wouldve had to clear a spot pretty far in advance...
ReplyDelete...Im a huge Rock fan and his 3 year WM run really took away from his legend for me. His promos seemed forced and he didnt seem as comfortable as he once was...
...the WM 27 host thing was a giant fail in my opinion when it came to Rock, not to the bottom line...
That was epic, one of my fav threads to ever happen here.....
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