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Thunder - December 10, 1998

Thunder
Date: December 10, 1998
Location: Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, Tennessee
Commentators: Lee Marshall, Tony Schiavone, Mike Tenay, Bobby Heenan

Reviewed by Tommy Hall

It's a taped show because I must have done something horrible in a past life to earn this punishment. We're getting closer to Starrcade but most of that won't mean anything here as they can't let anything significant happen on a taped show. There is actually an announced match though as Rey Mysterio will face Juventud Guerrera for a shot at the Cruiserweight Title at Starrcade 1998. Let's get to it.


The announcers talk about how awesome the Mysterio vs. Guerrera match will be. We also get Black and White vs. Black and Red tonight! Be still my beating heart.

Chris Jericho vs. Bobby Duncum Jr.

Bobby runs him over to start as the announcers talk about Ralphus more than for the rest of his career combined. A chinlock has Duncum in control as we take a way too early commercial. Back with Jericho getting his head taken off by a hard clothesline out of the corner but he catches Bobby with a drop toehold to send him throat first into the ropes.

Now it's Jericho with a double arm crank but Bobby turns it around, only to have Jericho flip forward and kick Duncum in the chest in the process. Nice counter. Off to a backbreaker from Jericho as he bends the Texan over his knee in a rare power display. The Lionsault misses and Bobby scores with a hard slam for two. Instead Jericho grabs a rollup and puts his feet on the ropes for the pin.

Rating: D+. Much like most feuds that go on for too long, we've seen all of this before and I had no desire to watch it again. Duncum could have been something interesting if used better, but having him fight Jericho over and over wasn't going to get him there. Jericho was going to steal the spotlight from anyone he worked with through sheer talent and that's what's happening here.

Post match here's Konnan to tell the referee what happened so the match restarts. Jericho tries a rollup but Konnan hits him in the head with the belt to give Duncum the pin.

Video on Bischoff vs. Flair.

Glacier vs. Saturn

The ice dude takes over with a quick kick to the ribs but won't follow up, which is enough to make Heenan stop talking about Goldberg for a second to complain about Glacier. They hit the mat for a decent wrestling sequence before Saturn goes after the leg with a few holds. Can't blame him for bad psychology at least. Back up and Saturn fires off chops in the corner and Glacier heads to the floor, only to be sent hard into the barricade.

Back in and Sonny Onoo is here in a neck brace to help Glacier because what would WCW be without him. Glacier takes over with a suplex and elbow to the jaw for two before totally missing a kick to the face. Saturn sells it anyway and we hit the chinlock. Saturn fights up and hits a nice t-bone followed by a middle rope knee for another near fall as Onoo is freaking out in a bad stereotype. They trade standing switches into the Rings of Saturn, drawing in Sonny for the DQ.

Rating: D+. The match was acceptable but good night can we please have Sonny sent ANYWHERE else? He's been doing the same schtick for like three years now and is just annoying. I can see why he sued WCW over his character as well given how it's as stereotypical of a Japanese tourist as you can get.

Post match Saturn beats up Onoo while avoiding an attack from Glacier. He suplexes Ice Boy to the floor and stands....not very tall actually.

Kaz Hayashi vs. Norman Smiley

Norman stalls to start before easily taking Hayashi to the mat with a headlock, meaning it's DANCE TIME. Back up and Hayashi punches Norman in the face and takes him down with a headscissors. Kaz's offense is short lived though as Smiley launches him into the air and lets Kaz crash down to the mat. A bunch of stomps in the corner set up the spinning slam followed by a butterfly suplex for two.

Smiley is acting far more heelish than I remember him doing recently, including stopping to yell at some fans. Kaz gets caught in a belly to back suplex followed by a surfboard before Norman sends him to the floor. Instead of following up though, it's time for more dancing. Back in and Hayashi scores with a kick in the corner followed by a nice dive from the top. They trade some rollups but Smiley grabs the crossface chicken wing for the submission.

Rating: D+. Norman is another guy that could have been something interesting for the TV Title but too bad because there's no way it's getting out of the NWO anytime soon. Hayashi was a good enough guy in the ring but there were too many people who could do what he did much better than he could.

We see part of the main event on Nitro which was barely a match in the first place.

Here are Ernest Miller and Sonny Onoo with something to say. Miller brags about how awesome he is at karate and challenges any fan to come try him. Sonny is annoyed at him for not being there when Saturn attacked him on Monday. They tease fighting before Miller goes to the back to get Saturn. Just let them fight already so Saturn can move on to anything else.

Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Juventud Guerrera

They lock up to start until both guys hit the mat for a bit. The feeling out continues as Juvy takes Rey down with a shoulder block before scoring with a Rocker Dropper. Rey is taken into the corner for some chops and whipped into the ropes, only to come back with a headscissors for his first advantage. Juvy bails to the floor and we take an early commercial break.

Back with Rey hitting a splash in the corner and stomping away before hitting the Bronco Buster. Mysterio hammers away in the corner but Juvy comes out with a sweet Liger Bomb out of the corner. This brings out Eddie and the LWO to surround the ring as you can feel the screwy ending coming from here. Rey kicks himout of the air and nails a nice springboard moonsault for two, only to get caught by a quick cross body. A dropkick to the knee puts Juvy back down and a guillotine legdrop gets two more for Mysterio.

Back up again and Juvy avoids a charge into the corner and drapes Rey over the top rope. Mysterio shrugs it off and runs into a boot in the corner to put him right back down. A bulldog gets two more for Guerrera but Rey catches him coming off the ropes, only to get caught in the Juvy Driver. The 450 takes too much time being set up though and Rey crotches Juvy to set up the hurricanrana, only to have the LWO run in for the REALLY annoying DQ.

Rating: B-. They were starting to rock out there until the LWO had to do their thing. Mysterio and Guerrera are two of the best in the company at this point and I'd love to see either of them against Kidman, but having to put up with the LWO is getting really tiresome. At least we got a solid match before the run in though.

Kidman runs out to save Rey from the beatdown.

We see Giant talking trash about DDP from Nitro.

Lodi vs. Booker T.

Booker destroys Lodi like the comedy jobber he is to start before hitting the forearm and ax kick. Here's Stevie Ray for no apparent reason though to ask Booker what he's doing. Lodi tries to remember what planet he's on until Stevie blasts him with the slap jack to give Lodi the DQ win.

Kanyon vs. Chris Benoit

Kanyon does his schtick before the match and thinks the fans say everyone is better than him to make him mad. Speaking of being mad, Kanyon is mad at Raven because the depression is starting to bring Kanyon down as well. “What about me? What about Kanyon?” The fans still don't seem to care.

The match starts with Kanyon grabbing a quick armdrag and celebrating like he just broke Goldberg's streak. Benoit takes him down by the arm with ease and grabs a headlock. Kanyon reverses into a neckbreaker but gets caught in the Rolling Germans. He's able to break it after the first suplex though, only to have his chest knocked off by a chop. Benoit hammers away in the corner before taking Kanyon up for a nice superplex. The overwhelmed Kanyon rolls to the floor but Benoit follows him out for even more chopping.

Back in and Benoit stays all over Kanyon with an elbow to the jaw and some hard whips across the ring. That stiff clothesline drops Kanyon again but Benoit misses a charge into the corner. A Russian legsweep puts him on the mat and Kanyon hits a sweet slingshot elbow for a two count. Benoit fights back in the corner and stomps the heck out of Kanyon, followed by a backbreaker for two. The fans actually chant boring at this for some reason.

Kanyon comes back with a rake to the eyes and a middle rope Fameasser followed by a chinlock. The fans chant boring again despite these two beating the tar out of each other for the last seven minutes. I think they've earned a breather. A fireman's carry pancake gets a close two on Benoit. It's so close that Kanyon loads up another, only to have Chris counter into a rollup for two. The Swan Dive is broken up but here's Raven with a can of paint to knock Benoit silly for the DQ.

Rating: B-. Egads did Russo start booking already or something? These DQ's are getting really annoying when you have solid matches going before them. The match was solid for the most part though with Benoit being all intense as only he can. Kanyon's offense was stuff we've seen before but it's so different from anyone else's that it's still very entertaining.

Kanyon yells at Raven and gets Crossfaced for his efforts.

Vincent/Horace/Stevie Ray vs. Konnan/Lex Luger

We're ready to go after a bunch of catchphrases and a commercial. I guess Nash was too busy to make the match. Luger locks up with Stevie to start as Konnan plays cheerleader. A shoulder puts Stevie down and there's the big muscle pose from Luger. Stevie gets him into the NWO corner where all three are knocked around with right hands and forearms. Konnan is fine with letting his partner fight them all off. Vincent of all people finally gets in a cheap shot to slow Luger down and Horace takes over.

Horace hammers away but misses a legdrop, allowing for the lukewarm tag off to Konnan. House is cleaned for a bit until Horace knees Konnan in the ribs, allowing for a tag off to Stevie. The Black and White double teams Konnan and gets to make it a triple team when Luger tries to come in. Vincent gets in some ring time for a change with the generic offense you would expect from a bodyguard. Back to Horace who gets two off a splash with Luger making the save.

Stevie comes in again and chokes a lot before throwing Konnan to the floor. Vincent gets in a few more shots and Luger yells at the referee about it, allowing Horace to help with the assault. Back in and Horace nails a suplex to set up a chinlock for a few seconds before a double clothesline puts both guys down. A double tag brings in Luger and Stevie with Luger taking over via the usual. The Rack to Stevie is broken up by a Vincent jawbreaker but here's Scott Hall to break up a slap jack attempt. He knocks Stevie into Luger who puts on the Rack for the submission.

Rating: D+. Just a boring handicap match here but they followed all of the usual formulas. At the end of the day though, it's Vincent, Horace and Stevie Ray on one team which isn't exactly a team I can get behind. Hall coming in fuels his feud against the Black and White but it's still not the most interesting story in the world. Konnan and Luger were their usual selves here.

Overall Rating: B-. This was the best Thunder in a long time even though it had some very frustrating problems. First and foremost, we had two solid matches and far less time being wasted as a result. The DQ's got very annoying but it's something you have to get used to in WCW. This was a very nice surprise and an easy two hours to sit through instead of the usual drek.

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Comments

  1. Mayhem wasn't the worst show ever or anything, but I remember at the time, WCW fans were like, "Yeah, we're back!" Meanwhile, those of us with common sense were like, "No, you're not."

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  2. Looks like Clash of the Champions 1 is on the schedule for Monday. I know everyone wants everything immediately, but I prefer the slow-burn of material coming out and it's the smart business model.


    Maybe this will help Scott be complaint-free about the Network for a little while.

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  3. You can actually watch it now by going to it in the schedule and hitting watch. At least it worked for me in my phone.

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  4. I understand the reasoning, but damm all the repeats and edited (for time) shows are killing me. It would take them YEARS to put everything up with limited repeats.

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  5. Stranger in the AlpsMay 3, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    The Old School shows are a prime example of this. I would much rather see, you know, the ENTIRE card, rather than the whittled-down hour-long version.

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  6. Yeah, it worked for me, last night on my Roku, and this morning on my Xbox.

    They have been doing this for awhile on MOST things. Making them available thru the schedule before airing, and in the vault after they air.

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  7. Ah yes Vince Russo in WCW. Also probably around the time I stopped following them altogether.

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  8. I agree totally frustrating. I guessing the thinking is it's ok to cut the classic Lanny Paffo vs. Mike Sharp 20 minute draw, or whatever, but I still want to watch a full show.

    It seems to be getting better. the last few have been complete. I wish they go back and switch the edited ones out of the vault.

    I was really hopping for WWE Classic plus the PPVs and original content. If it doesn't get better, I'll cancel and come back later.

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  9. Whatever the hell happened to Ralphus and is Harvey Whippleman's wife involved?

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  10. Having Sting and Luger join the nWo was really stupid.

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  11. Yeah it was. Especially Sting.

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  12. The old, old school shows may be whittled down to an hour because the footage isn't great quality either, too. Just a theory.

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  13. There are a couple of good Steamboat vs Savage matches from the Boston Garden in the old school section. One from 1985 and another from 1986.

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  14. It's not a footage issue, with many of them. Some of them have aired more complete on 24/7. I think they just had limited programming to fil one hour windows, in the beginning.

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  15. While it's a bad idea for them business wise, I'm ecstatic they added the first Clash of the Champions!

    One down, 34? more to go!

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  16. Also worked on my Apple TV.

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  17. just wait until 2016 when they are all up!!!

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  18. You seriously prefer the "slow burn" of material coming out? What are you a WWE employee? You can argue that it's smart business (although based on the reaction I'm seeing here and other places I'd say it is decidely NOT smart business and is pissing people off) but how does it benefit you at all? Afraid of too many options? Please explain how it benefits you. Does moving off the live feed frighten you?

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  19. there was some real strange brand loyalty during the monday night wars where fans almost took it personally instead of just watching what they enjoyed between two huge media conglomerates. Fans touted each ratings victory as if they won (hmm, similar to hearing how "we won" after a fan's team wins a pro sports championship) and took any criticism as a personl affront.

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  20. First off, why such a hostile tone to your comment? Secondly, I'm not a WWE employee, I just feel that there's a ton of material on there already, and there's no need to throw it ALL out there for consumption at once. I'm sorry if I personally offended you by formulating a coherent opinion, which is something you should try doing next time instead of being in attack mode.

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  21. Oh God...who could forget about the ECW Mutants...

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  22. but it's not coherent. You still haven't explained how YOU personally are benefitting from putting up content at a snail's pace. I get the wrong-headed argument that you and some others push about content pace, but that is a business argument and has nothing to do with your personal enjoyment of the network. So why do YOU personally prefer fewer options in your viewing. Does more content frighten you? Confuse you? I'm really curious here.

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  23. placetobepodcastMay 3, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    The Toronto one up? That one is fantastic.

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  24. Luger's explainable, as he HAD been a WWF guy at one point. But Sting? The guy who spent a year stalking Hogan and the NWO? Yeah, that was quite idiotic.

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  25. No, it doesn't "frighten" me. Geez, again with being condescending. Unlike you, possibly, I don't have 12 hours a day to watch the Network. I have it on maybe a few hours every other day. So I don't personally have the time to go through what I feel is a lot of content already on there. Furthermore, my comment was thought up from a business-oriented perspective. Wouldn't more people be likely to drop their subscriptions after 6 months if their ENTIRE library was on there already? Don't you think it makes sense to slowly release content so that people will RETAIN their subscriptions and wait to see what new stuff they put out there?

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  26. and once again there is NOT a "ton of content." There are ppvs. A few years of Raw being put up at a pace that amounts to 2 years to get them all up. Some ECW tv shows. Bunch of talking head shows. Pre and post game WM and Raw types stuff. And a few house shows. Oh and WCCW. I don't consider that a ton of content, particularly since the fans most irritated by the pace of content being added tend to have already watched or even own most of the ppvs. I think WWE is stuck in a mindset of old TV ways that most people will watch what is on the live feed and they like it that way. I think they want to train people to watch the live feed and possibly insert ads for WWE products (might be smart to even have the abiity to click links for instant purchase), or even non-WWE ads. I also they vastly overestimated the value of the ppvs, forgetting how many hardcore fans have already watched this stuff and how many newer fans don't give a crap about WCW Superbrawl 1991.

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  27. See, I have no problem with anything you've said here. You're entitled to your take on it, and I understand where you're coming from. As someone who didn't follow WCW or ECW much when I was younger, I find all the PPVs on there to be "a lot" of content. And I never saw WCCW as a kid, or much ECW TV. And I was never a 24/7 subscriber. Does that help you understand better how this can be viewed through multiple prisms? Or do I still seem "frightened"?

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  28. Who can watch their entire video library in six months?

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  29. you said you prefer the slow burn method AND it makes business sense To me that implied that you had a specific reason beyond somehow caring about the WWE business model for wanting product to be put up at a painfully slow pace. As for my viewing habits, first off I'm off work with knee surgery, but second how much I watch has nothing to do with wanting variety. Netflix doesn't dribble content out, why should WWE. The responses I am seeing, not just here but other places, is that people aren't going to retain their subscriptions because of the slow pace. They are pissed that it is going to take 2 years to post all the Raws. They are pissed about house shows being edited to 53 minutes. They are pissed at the lack of SMW, AWA, Mid-ATlantic, etc. This is all stuff already sanitized for our protection on 24/7.

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  30. And I'm more of the opinion that people would be more likely to KEEP their subscriptions with more content, rather than cancel.


    That line of thinking doesn't even make any sense.

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  31. I enjoyed ECW because it was different and occasionally the live fans were entertaining, but the legacy of those crowds is just awful. Nothing worse than going to an indie show and having fans spending the whole show trying to be "witty" and ruining the rest of the show for everyone else, particularly the kids.

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  32. kbwrestlingreviewsMay 3, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    Indeed it was. At this point there barely were any WCW names of value. There's Page, Flair who isn't really active and then......Rick Steiner maybe?

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  33. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Time for Benoit/Malenko vs Saturn/Raven, should be fun.

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  34. Some people just like to bitch for the sake of bitching. There is no way that everyone could watch EVERYTHING at once and there's no way they could eve GET everything up at once. They made an excellent choice in terms of what would be available right away and are adding things every weeks (in the first five weeks we have a year of Raw added and a lot of ECW, WCCW and old house shows). They could have kept doing this and had 20 hours or new content a week for the next year.

    Now they are adding the old clash of champions shows (or at least the first one). People who are complaining about the pace of content being added really need to get a life.

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  35. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    I personally like the slow burn as well. I have been a wrestling fan since 87/88 and I haven't even come close to watching all the PPVs. I also (and I know to you this is going to sound stupid) like having something to look foward to with The Network. I also think they are going to be faster with rolling out stuff soon now that the initial launch period is over. I also want to see The Network do great buisness and I think this is the way. All the people bitching and saying they are going to cancel the subscription are the same people who bitch after a bad raw and swear they are done watching yet are back the next week.

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  36. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    "there is not a TON of content. There are PPVs" that's a contradiction.

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  37. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    A six hundred pound shut in wrestling fan?

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  38. You're honestly starting to sound like bignasty. And no, that's not a GOOD THING.

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  39. "Netflix doesn't dribble content out"


    Good grief, yes they do. I waited forever for Season 6 of Mad Men and Season 7 of Psych to come on - they were both added well after the DVDs were released. Hell, Psych season 7 wasn't added to Netflix instant until AFTER season 8 ended.


    Not to mention the movies featured under "new releases" have been in that tab for about 18 months...


    Some shows are better than others, but Netflix can be just as bad about adding content.

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  40. The Wolfpac was a faction AGAINST Hogan and the black and white. Nash turned face and even though it was still "NWO" it was a face faction against Hogan, Bischoff and the evil "NWO".

    I was 10 years old in the summer of 98 and in my school, church, and neighborhood, the Wolfpac was the hottest things going in large part due TO Sting and Luger joining.

    Just saying.

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  41. The slow burn also encouraged me to watch some of the docs and round tables I might have overlooked with all at once. I would love for SNMEs to start though along with Mid South.

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  42. Oh, I enjoyed ECW as well. I went to a house show as a teenager and it was one of the craziest things I've ever experienced in my life. I had a hell of a good time.

    You're right on the crowds, though. ECW was unique in the aspect that they included the crowd as a part of the product, and the interaction between fans and wrestlers was a breath of fresh air in the mid to late 90s. Of course, the result today is the "WWE Universe" and fans voting for matches and stipulations through the WWE App. It's as if the ECW fan base grew up and became part of a soulless conglomerate.

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  43. Is anyone else having a problem with on demand content freezing up? I basically can't watch anything without it periodically freezing up. This wouldn't even bother me so much, but it doesn't save my spot so when I refresh it it starts over and I have to figure out where I was when it froze. This has been happening since day one, but I've been fairly patient since I expected it to be worked out by now.

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  44. Not quite what I meant. As far as the movie thing, Netflix has pretty much given up on movies and focused on TV because the movie studios want a shitload of money to stream them (still living the pipe dream that we all go to Wal-mart every week and buy a stack of new dvds and blu-rays). But what I mean by dribble out content is that when Psych is ready the whole season goes up. When they get the rights to Cheers or some other old show, the whole run goes up, not two episodes per day or week until they all get posted. I understand that sometimes a season goes up later than we hoped (again probably due to costs because studios hoping we buy it at the store) but it goes up with all the episodes of that season.

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  45. sorry. not trying to bug anyone, just making a point. It probably has to do with me having so much free time right now with my knee surgery that the lack of variety on the Network irritates me a bit more than the average person. Once I go back to work I won't have nearly the time I do now to watch and it would be cool to watch some stuff like SMW or whatnot I might not have otherwise watched.

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  46. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    Just put on Mayhem 99, thanks for the suggestion Starnger. By the way, it took me a looooong time to get the joke of your name. To be fair I rarely watch Lebowski on basic cable. Oh sweet, a tournament!

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  47. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM

    Even with the knee surgery (hope you're doing better btw) and the extra free time there are so many freaking PPVs on there. I don't see how you could not find something to watch.

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  48. No NBA Game 7 thread. Who is in charge on Saturdays?

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  49. And don't forget the massive levels of misogyny and homophobia!

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  50. Stranger in the AlpsMay 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Don't look at me.

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  51. Stranger in the AlpsMay 3, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Apparently, there is some guy who comments on a movie blog with the same name. Here I thought I was being original.

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  52. I was incredibly guilty of this, but I was a teenager during that period so I suppose I deserve a little slack. But yeah, it was pure war with me and my wrestling buddies, take no prisoners. We were WWF soldiers and mocked the shit out of WCW and its fans any chance we could get.
    Of course not only were we total goofs for doing it, but also hypocrites - we played the everloving hell out of the N64 WCW games during the same period. None of us ever dared to broach the subject.

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  53. I will never forget when WCW Thunder came out. I was all hyped and here in Michigan the weather was..Michigan and the truck was delayed at Software Etc. or whatever the hell it was at that time. Finally got the game 4 days late, put it in and I swear that I never played it again after that first day. Just abysmal.

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  54. Heyman has some issues with misogny. Then again wrestling has a long and storied history of racism, sexism, and homophobia. Watching old WCW ppvs it is amazing some of the stuff they did. Some real xenophobia. Lots of homphobic remarks and the Johnny B. Badd character that just debuted at Superbrawl 91, and they have an awful storyline involving Missy Hyatt wanting to get in the locker room and WCW mocking the idea and insinuating that she just wants to look at naked men. And off course we know the history of hard heads for black wrestlers and Samoans, sneaky asians, etc. Not sure that ECW or the crowd was that different. Don't forget WWF fans chanting fag at the Beverlys and Goldust around the same time period as ECW.

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  55. it isn't so much not having anything to watch as hoping to watch it differently. I had not seen the majority of the WCW ppvs before 94. So there is that to watch. But I think it would have been a lot more fun to be able to watch the build up to each show on WCW saturday night and the clash of the champions. Same with wwf ppvs I might revisit them if i can watch primetime and SNME and syndicated shows to see the build.

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  56. That one is not up yet, but if you have Best of the WWF Vol. 9 it is on there too.

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  57. Finished up WWF 2000 PPVs today with Armageddon. I personally liked the Six-man HITC. Wasn't great, but mildly entertaining. On a side note, how brutal was Road Dogg at this point? Was teaming with K-Kwik and it was just embarrassing.

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  58. You are not curious, you seem offended that someone could possibly have a different opinion to yourself. You can debate with people without getting personal.

    Personally, I prefer the slow burn approach too, having to search through loads of content can be time consuming and also overwhelming at first. Putting it on gradually gives you a reason to come back and something to look forward too. If they put up their alleged 100000 hours all at once then what do you have to look forward to?

    As a society, we seem to have become incapable of waiting for anything.

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  59. not offended, just trying to figure out how a slow burn is better than putting up content. It's not hard to find content. Click on WCW, hey there is all the ppvs by title or year and Clash and WCW Saturday Night. Again find them by year. Doesn't seem hard. Raw and ECW? All the shows by year in order. It isn't rocket science. I guess I come from the school of thought that the more options the better for everyone. If you don't want to watch something then don't. Stick to the live feed if it makes you happy. But for me, and seemingly quite a few others, more options is a good thing.


    As far as getting into larger societal questions about our ability to wait, this is hardly the time or place. Ultimately we pay 10 dollars a month for a product. If the product pleases us, we keep paying. If it doesn't, we don't. Any discussion of sociological issues about an instant gratification society seems misplaced.

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  60. What, you didn't learn your lesson from playing WCW Nitro?

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  61. didn't play that one. I had just got a ps1 after having a sega saturn

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  62. Fair enough. Anyone who did saw WCW Thunder coming from a mile away. They somehow took Nitro and managed to make it even shittier. That takes talent.

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