March 29, 1986
Your hosts are Bruno Sammartino and Vince McMahon
Tonight, Hulk Hogan will be wrestling on the show, still selling the effects of the attack he suffered from King Kong Bundy on “Saturday Night’s Main Event.” Plus, the Funk Brothers, British Bulldogs, Randy Savage and Paul Orndorff are all in action.
Lord Alfred Hayes gives us an update on all of the celebrities that will be appearing at WrestleMania 2. They include Lee Majors, Ray Charles, Robert Conrad, Dick Butkus, Ozzy Osborne, Joan Rivers, Herb from Burger King, Clare Peller, Susan St. James, Cab Calloway, Joe Frazier, Darryl Dawkins, Cathy Lee Crosby, Elvira, and G. Gordon Liddy, who cuts a promo about being the judge for the Piper vs. Mr. T match. It was incredibly wooden.
Andre Malo vs. “Macho Man” Randy Savage w/ Elizabeth
The announcers hype the feud between Savage and George Steele as Savage backs Malo against the ropes. He snaps Malo’s neck off of the rope and follows that with a suplex as an insert promo by Elvira is shown, hyping her appearance at WrestleMania. Savage tosses Malo outside then follows him out with a top rope double axe handle. Back inside, he hits another axe handle but pulls Malo up then goes up top and finishes him off with the flying elbow drop then covers him with one foot for the win (1:58).
Thoughts: Another great squash from Savage. Man, he was the most entertaining guy in this promotion during 1986.
Mean Gene is with Hulk Hogan and Mr. T, who talks about how he has never been so mad in his life and promises to beat Piper at WrestleMania for what he did at “Saturday Night’s Main Event.” Hogan then talks about Clubber Lang is a wimp compared to the real Mr. T. Not that much of an interview but they really hyped the shit out of WrestleMania 2.
Bob Bradley vs. “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff
Orndorff works a hammerlock until Bradley reaches the ropes. Orndorff works the arm as Vince puts over his upcoming WrestleMania match against Don Muraco. We get another G. Gordon Liddy promo, which was awful, as Orndorff is still working the arm. Vince brings up how there will be celebrity commentators at WrestleMania as Bradley hammers away on Orndorff. They fuck up a hiptoss spot then Orndorff tosses Bradley to the floor. He suplexes Bradley in the ring from the apron then hits a clothesline before he finishes off Bradley with the piledriver (3:28).
Thoughts: Nothing more than a backdrop to hype up all the celebrities appearing at WrestleMania. Interesting to see how a year ago, Orndorff was involved in the hottest match at the show and this year, he is in a match against Muraco that was slapped together at the last minute. After milking his feud against Piper for all it was worth, he had done nothing until he eventually turned on Hogan. To be fair, he was never meant to be a face.
Mean Gene is with several of the WrestleMania Battle Royal participants including the Hart Foundation and football players Jimbo Covert and William “Refridgerator” Perry, who cut a promo that needed subtitles at the bottom of the screen. Christ.
Ivan MacDonald & S.D. Jones vs. Terry & Hoss Funk w/ Jimmy Hart
I’ll say it again: MacDonald looks like Jim Carrey’s character from “Dumb and Dumber” on steroids. Bruno calls Hoss “Dory” at first before correcting himself. Terry chops S.D. against the ropes but gets caught with a slam. Hart grabs S.D.’s leg then Hoss stomps him on the floor. S.D. is selling the leg then goes inside where Terry attacks it some more. Cathy Lee Crosby gives us an insert promo about working with Monsoon at WrestleMania as S.D. mounts a comeback. He tags MacDonald, who Hoss knees off of the apron. The Funks take turns beating the shit out of MacDonald until Hoss makes him submit to the Boston Crab (2:43). After the match, S.D. chases Hart out of the ring as he attempted to brand MacDonald.
Thoughts: A dominate showing by the Funks, who will be facing Tito Santana & Junkyard Dog at WrestleMania.
Mean Gene is with Bobby Heenan and King Kong Bundy. Heenan said the whole plan was to send Hogan to the hospital and they knew that he would be dumb enough to put up the title in a match against Bundy, who says that getting into a steel cage with him will be the biggest mistake of his life. Heenan predicts that Bundy will be the new World Champion.
Tiger Chung Lee & Mr. X vs. British Bulldogs w/ Capt. Lou Albano
Lee runs over Dynamite, who then sends him to the floor with a backdrop. Davey tags and connects with a dropkick for two. Cab Calloway is shown in an insert promo singing about WrestleMania 2 as Davey powerslams Mr. X. Dynamite hits a snap suplex and a backbreaker then tags Davey, who gets caught in a small package for two. Davey comes back with a couple of slams then places Mr. X on top and tags Dynamite, who hits a super back suplex for the win (2:38).
Thoughts: The crowd in Poughkeepsie loved the Bulldogs. They got a great reception and impressed in the ring too. No mention at all of their match for the Tag Team Titles against the Dream Team at WrestleMania.
A video montage of Roddy Piper training for his boxing match against Mr. T set to his song from the “Wrestling Album.” It ran a bit too long and was unmemorable.
Vince runs down the WrestleMania 2 card and most importantly, all of the celebrities. Shit, Vince was like the guy from the Micro Machines commercials here in how fast he spoke.
Mean Gene introduces a series of promos for the Battle Royal. The idea here is that the Battle Royal is the most dangerous match in wrestling. Danny Spivey got to cut a promo here and maybe he shouldn’t have. Same for King Tonga, who came off as someone who just finishes a round of electroshock therapy. A mix of promos from football players and wrestlers. It was fine for what it was and Neidhart was pretty funny too.
Moondog Spot vs. Hulk Hogan
The crowd went nuts for Hogan, who comes out to “Real American” on Championship Wrestling for the first time. Hogan shoves Spot away then hits a few punches then a clothesline. He drops an elbow but Spot targets the injured ribs of Hogan. He hammers away until Hogan hulks up then fires back. He hits a corner clothesline then hits a back suplex before putting him away with the leg drop (1:56). Hogan poses after the match
Thoughts: It was really cool to see Hogan appear on this show, as it was a rare occurrence. The purpose of this was to show the fans that Hogan has healed from his injuries that he suffered from King Kong Bundy and that he will be in fine shape for their cage match at WrestleMania.
Final Thoughts: This was basically and infomercial for WrestleMania 2. I don’t have a problem with that but the constant celebrity insert promos and the focus seemingly on the celebrities themselves and the battle royal is not going to get me to rush out and see this show. The rest of the card is underwhelming but they barely even mentioned the other matches, even when the guys wrestling in them were in the ring on the show. This was WWF star-fucking at its finest. Not a terrible show by any means but the constant gushing over the C-List celebs was grating by the end.
Yea, I'm really curious on the Sid/Luger thing
ReplyDeleteTJ: Worst member of the nWo of all-tme?
ReplyDeleteI'll say Booker T.
Stevie Ray.
ReplyDeleteOnly when it came to Bob Backlund
ReplyDeleteTony Garea on Tony Garea.
ReplyDeleteThanks for clearing that up!
ReplyDeleteWe established Flair and Ole hating each other in the last thread. Now we actually see it manifest. Riddle me this Batman....why would two people who hate each other book themselves to be in the same stable?
ReplyDeleteI never minded him. I never thought he was fantastic (like on par with Gorilla or Heenan), but I never thought he was outright terrible, either.
ReplyDeleteHorace Hogan.
ReplyDeleteIn a word, history. They had been booked by Dusty to be in the same stable in the mid-80s and it was terribly successful. And success, or the possibility of repeated success, will make people work together when they aren't too crazy about one another. See also: Cena vs. Rock.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they didn't hate each other as much in 85? And by the time they did start to hate each other Ole was already ingrained as a Horseman?
ReplyDeleteI dunno, I'd give Flair/JYD 5 stars.
ReplyDeleteI found Savage entertaining because he brought a lot of energy to the broadcast. The company really needs to fix the commentary situation because I can't imagine that it actually brings in new fans. Can you imagine being a casual and hearing 5 minutes of their banter? Their all-time worst moment is when they all took a selfie during a match a few months ago.
ReplyDeleteVincent.
ReplyDeleteBut... it was a clever satire of a bunch of political figures (and that damn dirty Democrat in office) acting like teenagers!
ReplyDelete... How can anyone convince themselves that is a good idea?
Didn't they realize that international object made no sense? Why not illegal object? Outside object?
ReplyDeleteCommentary is probably going to be one of the things that stays the way it is until Vince dies.
ReplyDeleteTypical Sid from what I could find. He wasn't cleared to wrestle until right around this time, so that may have played into the match length too, but it looks like he was also bring punished for no-showing a bunch of dates where he just had to be present at ringside... and for playing some softball instead.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind commentators having fun during the slow parts of the show, such as when two C-level workers are having a match as it helps humanises things, but I think the time they took the selfie was during a tag title match and it indirectly buried the division.
ReplyDeleteForeign = Illegal. [/Zeb]
ReplyDelete....this could be a 50 response question, each one I'd probably say "holy shit, he WAS in the NWO" for
ReplyDeleteOr Bret vs. Shawn.
ReplyDeleteBecause Ted Turner was politically correct to the point of insanity.
ReplyDeleteI just watched this show the other day, and the way JR pronounced Furnas (fur-NAS) bugged the hell out of me.
ReplyDeleteBret mentioned in his book that he once had a threesome with 2 Japanese women. I am starting to understand the Meltzer admiration for him now.
ReplyDeleteIt bugged the hell out of you that he pronounced the man's name properly?
ReplyDeleteI liked when Savage and Heenan were on the same commentary team, as one was a clear face and the other one was a clear heel... But they often agreed with each other. Sometimes faces and heels try too hard to not get along.
ReplyDeleteScott, you forgot to add that the sub-name for this show was "Coastal Crush" which I've always wondered if the name was the precursor to the names Beach Blast/Bash at the Beach. This was the first WCW show I recorded on my vcr back in the day so despite the show sucking, I've seen it a lot. My lasting thoughts are, Bob Caudle was the most boring announcer of all time, and I still feel ripped off because Luger-Sid was the match I wanted to see.
ReplyDeleteAnother question would be worst nWo incarnation?
ReplyDeleteA lot of people hated the nWo Red & Black with Luger and Sting just because it didn't make sense. The B-Team was also pretty bad for obvious reasons. The nWo where the Harris Boys were the main members was downright embarrassing. WWE's version of the nWo with Big Show and Booker was also pretty bad. TNA's version of the nWo in 2010 when they called themselves The Band was sad too as they were too old to pull it off and even more disturbing Kevin Nash became the best worker of the bunch.
It's really funny when the announcer would accidentally call it the "International Foreign Object".
ReplyDelete"The people are hanging from the rafters...although this Roman coliseum doesn't have rafters...but it has columns, and people are hanging from them."
ReplyDeleteHe emphasized the last part really hard. Not the way I'm used to hearing it pronounced.
ReplyDeleteI was speaking more to this latest reincarnation. They hate each other and they weren't really working the gimmick anymore. It was more in name only
ReplyDeleteI also think that doing the typical Horsemen run-in to save the title when the opponent is JYD single-handedly did more harm to Flair than all the other run-ins before and after combined by making Flair look the weakest he ever did. Just terrible.
ReplyDeleteIs there a reason they didn't make JYD wear a shirt? At least Sting doesn't have a gut.
ReplyDeleteGo watch Sting/Goldberg on Nitro from September 1998 and get back with me on that.
ReplyDeleteNothing beats Clash of the Champions XII: Fall Brawl 90: Mountain Madness.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have wanted to be the guy who had to tell JYD to put a shirt on!
ReplyDeleteRoss-Savage-Heenan was so good.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why sting just doesn't wear the singlet he wore during the crow sting era. It hides most of the unsightly bits anyways. If old man Flair can go out there with his grandpaish floppy man-titties then I'm sure that Sting can pull off the singlet without horribly looking out of place.
ReplyDeletelol. 2 names for the price of one.
ReplyDeleteWell, I watched the product the entire time so I know it as a fact.
ReplyDeleteIf Sting wasn't their most prolonged top babyface throughout the decae then who was? It's silly to suggest someone else. Goldberg was the only guy that got to his level and that was for a few months. Sting was the guy for YEARS....
And yes, Sting was the top babyface in 1997/early 1998...the peak of the war.
I still want to know who killed the Benoits.
ReplyDeleteThe Starrcade 97 buyrate?
ReplyDeleteI always wondered why they went from Beach Blast --> BATB. I guess it's more clear that it's a wrestling event? They did recycle most of the graphics and animations and such for it though.
ReplyDeleteIt was in really bad taste when Ole suggested a white shirt with a hood.
ReplyDeleteThat guy is awesome. I wish he wrote more about wrestling
ReplyDeleteMaybe Bash at the Beach was meant to carry on the use of the word "Bash" since there were a few years there where the Great American Bash wasn't held.
ReplyDeleteFrom the 6-25-90 WON:
ReplyDelete"Lot of heat of Sid Vicious for no-showing all of his dates (not to work but to be in the corner of the main events since he's not cleared to work until 7/1. At the TV dates he no showed, they don't even acknowledge him in the Horsemen interviews. Apparently, Vicious is playing in a softball league back home and bench pressing over 400 pounds but saying he can't wrestle (he's been out of action since November after a punctured lung) and also no-showing dates where he's in the corner."
Is he a Benoit truther?!?
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteHis other option was a glittery stormtrooper helmet.
ReplyDeleteyesssssssssssssssssssssss
ReplyDeleteLet's stay on topic, guy.
ReplyDelete"Well, I watched the product the entire time so I know it as a fact."
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't make it a fact.
Ahh I could see that. Dumping GAB for two years was such a random decision. I assume it was one of Bischoff's moves to rebrand it, though they obviously pulled it back into fold once they decided to expand the number of PPVs.
ReplyDeletelololololol.
ReplyDeleteSurprised we didn't get a show called "Clash of the Champions - The Great American Bash at the Beach Blast : Coastal Crush"
ReplyDeleteIt's pinned up next to his 'get well soon, Hulk' banner.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what his views are on 9/11?
ReplyDeleteWith Crush in the main event facing Shark.
ReplyDeleteDustin Harris • 7 months ago
ReplyDeleteStill waiting to see proof of what he did.
Not saying he didn't do it, but I reserve the right to crucify the man until I see evidence of his alleged crime.
"He drew money 7 years after the fact."
ReplyDeleteThat's specious reasoning. Thanks! I have this rock, and I don't see any tigers around...
ReplyDeleteLisa, I want to buy your rock.
We're talking about Sting. Not Benoit or 9/11.
ReplyDeleteWorse tragedy: The Hogan v. Sting main event at Starrcade or 9/11? It's a push
ReplyDeleteNo idea, but I'll say this, the visual of a ppv happening on a beach(95) was so very strange.
ReplyDeleteHe did a pretty good job of crucifying himself with the gym equipment.
ReplyDeleteClarifying Corporate Stupidity. Just one of the services I provide.
ReplyDeleteThis is around the time I started to tune out of wrestling in general and WCW in particular. I still have a hard time putting it into words, but both companies felt... too corporate? Like the WWF was starting to become this machine, where they felt they could showcase anyone and it would be alright because they were still the WWF. And WCW seemed to be trying to emulate them, trying to look more smooth and polished in their production values. I dunno, maybe it was just the huge turnover in talent both companies had at the start of the 90's. Plus by this time the AWA had pretty much died, and a lot of wrestling in general started disappearing from TV. Within a year or so of this the syndicated WWF shows had vanished from my local channels. Wrestling just kind of went away and it and I didn't really reconnect til my local cable picked up USA Network at the end of '94. The stretch of Clashes starting here, until around the time Hogan debuted in WCW, really all blur together for me.
ReplyDeleteWasn't Furnas pushed as "The World's Strongest Man" for a while?
ReplyDeleteIf by "Strange" you mean "Awesome", then I agree.
ReplyDeleteYES! YOU ARE A 9/11 TRUTHER AREN'T YOU!? I'm so excited.
ReplyDeleteI actually LOVE the look of that event, more than the Sturgis thing. They should have done some Nitro's that way.
ReplyDeleteSting vs Hogan was a controlled demolition.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a "truther" on anything.
ReplyDeleteI'm still gonna go with strange, lol. Does anybody know, did attendees have to pay? Or could anybody climb out of the water and walk up and watch?
ReplyDeleteWe can start calling that match building 7.
ReplyDeleteWho was responsible for 9/11?
ReplyDeleteThe Sturgis thing always looked really low-rent and tacky to me.
ReplyDeleteI never agree with anything Meltzer says, and this time is no different. Went with B, because while Savage was nothing special I never really felt he tanked a broadcast with his commentary either
ReplyDeleteI think the problem was that there were too many of them. Should have been a twice a year thing at most.
ReplyDeleteWilliams was one of the more overrated wrestlers of the last few decades. He was always hyped as a big thing but he was nothing special in the ring aside from working stiff, and he was a truly bad interview. No surprise that he fizzled out in the NWA, WCW and then finally in the WWF when Bart knocked his lights out.
ReplyDeleteHey look- Ole Anderson's book on pro wrestling has been re-released on Kindle! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JEIM92Q/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=21PUQ2HIC68TT&coliid=IAVK3MMEEUI57
ReplyDeleteI was just discovering wrestling at this point, but I think a LOT of 80s fans felt that way. The WWF definitely started to feel more and more like a machine once you got on the other side of WrestleMania III.
ReplyDeleteEven holding WM 4 and 5 at a casino because of their business relationship with Donald Trump and because they could escalate the price of the tickets for that crowd shows that change in mentality.
Certainly agree on the NWA points too -- they lost a lot of their grittier feel at the end of the 80s but between 89 and 90 in particular.
There is a crazy person in the Clash 10 thread who thinks Benoit is innocent and 9/11 was an inside job!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI feel that way about the current product. It's just too overproduced for my liking.
ReplyDeleteI always laugh at Gorilla at the 91 Rumble "still haven't seen the big guy, Tugboat... Toot toot!"
ReplyDeleteThere is a crazy person in the Clash 9 thread who thinks Flair vs Funk I Quit rules is overrated!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWelcome to the internet!
ReplyDeleteI know but i get so excited when I encounter one in the wild.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why people cannot accept the obvious - Benoit was responsible for 9/11.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if there is footage of Benoit vs 911 in ECW or WCW?
ReplyDeleteIt was a free show. Bischoff wanted a big crowd for the event -- it's always been estimated at about 10,000 people although I don't think any hard numbers were ever released. Of course they made Tony sell it like it was the biggest crowd ever -- although it def outdid all of the Sturgis shows.
ReplyDeleteYeah I found the show online and in the intro he says it's the biggest crowd ever for a wcw event?!? I was like, what?!?
ReplyDeleteYes, but it was destroyed years ago by the NSA.
ReplyDeleteBenoit was the driver of the black hummer too.
ReplyDeleteAre there any good alternatives to getting old?
ReplyDelete9/11 was an inside job. The people inside the jets did it.
ReplyDeleteDying young and leaving a beautiful corpse?
ReplyDelete*rimshot*
ReplyDeleteTJ: Jesse hath returned: http://disq.us/8ie38c
ReplyDeleteNo rape, but of course Zach Ryder is brought up as if he has meant anything for the last 3 years.
I always laugh at Hogan going after Tugboat in that match shouting "Former Friend!"
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's the first thing I think to shout at someone that's betrayed me.
Yeah not lol. Not even to that point -- the 94 BATB, 94 Havoc and 95 Superbrawl all drew more fans.
ReplyDeletenWo were the biggest babyfaces by a thousand miles
ReplyDeleteLaFon, easily. Furnas was a magnificent physical specimen but LaFon was a very good singles worker and seems to get the credit for all the match layouts. LaFon carried RVD to his best match ever, and I couldn't tell you the standout Furnas singles match if you held a gun to my head.
ReplyDeleteCorpse doesn't stay beautiful very long without help.
ReplyDeleteHe did it for Kurt Angle.
ReplyDelete"You know, I think one of those Baywatch girls winked at me." - Heenan
ReplyDelete"Yeah right" - Schiavone
"She did!" - Heenan
"She had sand in her eye." - Schiavone
"Both eyes?" - Heenan
I forgot Baywatch was there to film an episode during the ppv.
ReplyDeleteIt was corporate stupidity...sort of. TBS had coverage of the Goodwill Games (was bankrolling them, in fact) which was an Olympics knock-off that was set up after the respective boycotts of 1980 and '84. Anchors covering the Games were discouraged from using the word "foreign," and were encouraged to substitute the word "international."
ReplyDeleteThe term "international object" on WCW broadcasting was strictly an inside joke among the announcers. It was not an actual directive towards them--just towards other real-sports anchors.
Luger was hurt, too (that stuff about his knee at Capital Combat was not a work).
ReplyDeleteInside joke. The "foreign = international" thing was to apply to the Goodwill Games announcers. Ross & co. picked up on it to amuse themselves.
ReplyDeleteNSA lost credibility with me when they started adding jobbers like Virgil.
ReplyDeleteYour head will explode if you watch Mid-South and hear Bill Watts talk of Jim "Doogan" and Ted "De-be-ahs."
ReplyDeletePOTD
ReplyDeleteYes it was the beginning of the end for that particular at sea love affair
ReplyDeleteWow, Meltzer talking out of his ass. What a surprise! There were plenty of announcers worse than Savage, at or before the time. Since then he looks like Jim Ross.
ReplyDeleteA side conversation in this thread made me hunt down Bash at the Beach 95 (the one on an actual beach). I'm about to find out what a lifeguard match is. I never saw this ppv back in the day, though I do remember the hilariously bad mini-movies that lead up to it. Sid Vicious in flip flops. Wrestlers playing volleyball with a beach ball and an evil midget. Oh mid-90's WCW...
ReplyDeleteIt was a lumberjack match. And the mini-movies were before Beach Blast '93.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing he was good at was babysitting the How Much Does This Guy Weight? guy.
ReplyDeleteI stand corrected. What was with the obsession with mini movies anyways?
ReplyDeleteWorst conceivable commentary team?
ReplyDeleteI'll go with Scott Steiner, Steve Lombardi, and Daffney.
"You know, I think one of those Baywatch girls winked at me." - Heenan
ReplyDelete"Yeah right" - Schiavone
"She did!" - Heenan
"She had sand in her eye." - Schiavone
"Both eyes?" - Heenan
You're not only right, you've made me sad that we didn't actually ever get that match.
ReplyDeleteSince mini-movies were produced under the regimes of both Watts and Bischoff, it had to be from somebody higher-up in the Turner conglomerate.
ReplyDeleteThe image of Vader coming down wearing his mastodon helmet on the beach is pretty funny.
ReplyDeleteThat is one lame-ass cage. It's only a foot taller than the wrestlers.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Maybe it's just what I grew up with -- but I miss little stuff like the natural lighting in the domes ala WM 3 or 8 or WCWs dome shows. The WWE is all about the grandeur which has its pluses, but I don't think it's always the best thing to turn it into some kind of hyper reality either.
ReplyDeleteSo you like seeing ron simmonds in short trunks? DAMN!
ReplyDeleteVolkoff couldn't afford tickets. The WWF were paying people to watch the show.
ReplyDeletePunk sure has gone downhill since his walkout!!!
ReplyDeleteThe lifeguard match was just a lumberjack match
ReplyDelete"Which one's the one with the headgear, Rick or Scott?" (refering to the Steiner Brothers)
ReplyDeleteSavage: "Lets see uh, the one in the middle."
Savage was awesome.
Vincent. I can't remember if Disco Inferno was a member, but if he was, that's a good answer, too.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Dusty Rhodes, because it was just stupid.
ReplyDeleteIt was worked, but they would be super stiff. The story of JT Southern as much as I remember as it's been awhile was that JT was injured during the match and refused to fight back. This is a big no-no in Japan as not fighting back is considered an insult, which led to his opponent hitting him even harder and JT went into early retirement.
ReplyDeleteWell i doubt anyone would have wanted to see Tully last that long in WCW at the time but i nice 1990-1993 run could have been fun.
ReplyDeleteI almost forgot that team existed and then you mentioned them again. They were the pits.
ReplyDeleteWhy would Antonio Inoki design a brand new gimmick for not only a WWF contracted wrestler but the WWF Champion?
ReplyDeleteI know Vince still did cross promotional work in this timeframe but i just don't get why Inoki would bother rebranding an international superstar or why Vince would allow it.
As for Sid, it's hilarious they job him out like this but in a few months he's main eventing Halloween Havoc. No shame in losing to 1990 Lex Luger of course but 0:23 is a straight up burial job.
I remember when you posted this back in 2002 @ 411mania; it was AFTER the Raw where Kevin Nash tore his quad.
ReplyDeleteYour teaser title: "Some leg injuries AREN'T funny." LOL
Vincent was certainly the most ineffectual ... though Stevie Ray was a close second in that department (meanwhile Norton should have been booked like Mark Henry in 2011).
ReplyDeleteFrom my perspective as a mark, the worst was Sting. No one was more ideologically opposed to what the nWo represented than Sting! Plus he looked awful in the red facepaint. A return to the surfer look might have helped.
"This was very, very soon after his WCW debut, and he was only about a year into the business at this point."
ReplyDeleteHuh? Mark was coming off a 4 year run in World Class and another year plus in the CWA/USWA. Hell he even beat Jerry Lawler for the strap back when they seriously pushed it as a legitimate World Title, in fact he was the first man to take the "World Title" away from The King.
What about gay Mexicans?
ReplyDeleteYeah, Wolfpack Sting was ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI'll give him credit -- he had a LOT of personality which goes a long way as a commentator.
ReplyDeleteThe guy is my favorite of all time as a wrestler -- but I just can't say he offered a lot of insight as a commentator. Personally I thought he made a good third guy in a three man team, but can you imagine listening to him for two or three hours as the main color guy?
I will say my favorite period was post WrestleMania VII till his reinstatement in the three man team with Vince and Piper. He played a tweener for most of that until the big Jake angle and I thought it fit him better than the "The new WWF Generation!" MC/schill thing Vince had him do in 1994.
Did he really have boots with his initials on them while doing a Mystery Masked Man gimmick?
ReplyDeleteWe only really got the pussy version in T&A that I can think of. Very few Monster Heel teams have been around, oddly enough.
ReplyDeleteMacho Midget deflowered Stephanie McMahon, you know.
ReplyDelete"Brilliant psychology from the manager here Monsoon. Lesnar is looking that that pudgy little baby blonde face and he thinks it's a mirror."
ReplyDelete"Oh, and The Kid has sharted! Brock has staggered backwards and over the top rope from the smell!"
"That's an illegal move! The referee should be stopping this right now and awarding it to Brock."
"It doesn't matter! Lesnar is on the outside! The ref is now at 7! But Brock Lesnar can't get that smell from out of his nose! 10! What a shocker! This one's in the history books, folks."
You sir, forget the Duke of Dorchester, Peter Doherty. UGH!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI recall Austin being carted off after Rikishi ran him over with his car.
ReplyDeleteBig Show's never been stretchered out, I don't think. Bret and Hogan might also be on the list of never being stretchered out.
ReplyDelete"The parade's over, Patterson's here."
ReplyDeleteWhen they talked about Briscoe's Auto Shop Ross said Patterson worked there too and he specialized in "rear end work."
ReplyDeleteDinner and a Movie Guy is the only answer.
ReplyDeleteGreat Khali, Giant Gonzales, and Kamala. This would also be my answer for how the Dungeon of Doom should have been. Problem is Gonzales is dead and Kamala doesnt have a leg to stand on.
ReplyDeleteNot early on... it took them a while, but yeah, they did end up pseudo-faces at times.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to disagree on Norman. I loved that big doof. Still do. He was one of the few dumb gimmicks I think that actually worked. And outside of Makahn Singh, was probably Shaw's best gimmick. The crowd usually got behind him, and he was an underrated worker that could really go especially when tossed in with the other hosses for wild brawls.
ReplyDeleteFavorite Norman moment: He teams with the Road Warriors at one of the future PPVs for a six-man against Cactus and the Freebirds. The Road Warriors ride out to the ring on their motorcycles so Norman stumbles down on a scooter. It makes me laugh every time I see it.
Probably because monster heel teams that are good end up faces pretty quickly.
ReplyDeleteHe showed up in great shape for the Funk match at Slamboree. It's a shame that didn't turn into a run for him.
ReplyDeleteYeah, he's a massive troll. Sting was HUGE for WCW. I live in the heart of WCW country, and Sting was most people's favorite wrestler.
ReplyDeleteStarrcade 97 drew largely because of him. He sold a bunch of merch in 97, too, and he was one of the only WCW guys who moved merch in the early '90s.
Well, "never" is simply false. WCW crowds in 99 and 2000 were way more into Sting. In their one Nitro encounter in 98, Sting got at least a comparable ovation, if not louder.
ReplyDeleteI'd have been interested to see them feud with each other. Sting never feuded with anybody in his WCW career who didn't get booed against him.
The I Quit match is not that great. I'd go ***1/2. At best.
ReplyDeleteBash was way better.
Luger-Flair? Oh man, do I disagree. I think they called the exact same spot 45 times in that match. Far off from their 88 stuff.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't they call themselves "Revolution"? That would kinda make more sense now...
ReplyDeleteOh, God call on Sting. I hated the Giant joining, too, for similar reasons. The guy gets beat up for months, and instead of being a pissed off, well, Giant, he joins the group he can't beat.
ReplyDelete10/10
ReplyDeleteHungry fanboiz? I hear there's a place you could get a great serving of crow. (I know, we have to wait to see the acting, but this is a big plus.)
ReplyDeleteAnd Keaton before that.
ReplyDeleteYeah that's just Meltzer finding a target (preferrably a WWF one) to pick on.
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