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Clash Countdown: #29

The SmarK Rant for Clash of the Champions XXIX (November 1994)

Back on the horse, and WHAT a show to pick things up again with. Yeesh. This is one I’ve never actually seen before, as Hulk Hogan’s title reign had driven me away from the promotion and Flair’s “retirement” sealed the deal. So there’s a chance that Hogan/Sting/Evad v. THE THREE FACES OF FEAR might not be terrible, much like Schroedinger’s Cat might not be dead. So yeah, since the last Clash, Flair has been retired and the mysterious masked man was unmasked as Brutus Beefcake instead of Curt Hennig. Good times all around.

Live from Jacksonville, FL

Your hosts are Tony Schiavone & Bobby Heenan

Robert Parker joins Mean Gene to start and challenges the winner of the tag title match to a match against Arn Anderson & Bunkhouse Buck on WCW Saturday Night, which pretty much gives away the result.

Titles v. Mask: Pretty Wonderful v. Stars & Stripes

You have to hand it to Marcus Bagwell in that he could be repackaged into whatever generic tag team wrestler they needed that week. There’s a certain amount of talent involved there. Orndorff quickly beats Bagwell down and Roma comes in with a bodypress for two, but the babyfaces clean house. Patriot controls Orndorff with armdrags and a hammerlock, but Roma comes in and gets a backbreaker for two. He gets cocky and Patriot gets an atomic drop into a Thesz Press for two, which is actually a nice combo. Over to Bagwell, and he immediately gets double-teamed and beat up on the floor to become hick-in-peril. Roma with a powerslam for two, but Bagwell gets a backslide on Orndorff for two. Bagwell with a sunset flip for two and Pretty Wonderful dumps Patriot, and then we get a very WCW ending as the champs try a Powerplex on Bagwell, but Roma gets tripped up and Bagwell lifts his shoulder while Orndorff lays there like a moron. So Bagwell & Patriot win the tag titles at 10:10 on a vertical suplex gone HORRIBLY WRONG. Yeah. **1/2

World TV title: Johnny B. Badd v. Honky Tonk Man

Honky in WCW was a Thing That Could Have Worked, but his demands were apparently ridiculous even by WCW’s low self-esteem-related standards. Think about that – someone from the WWF had contract negotiations so outlandish that even ERIC BISCHOFF, the guy who signed every ex-WWF employee from the wrestlers to the guys who ran the trucks for double the money without blinking, had to say “Hold on there, I don’t think you’re worth that much money.” I know, Honky Tonk Man being hard to get along with, mind blown. Honky tries a headlock and Badd takes him down for a hammerlock and follows with an atomic drop to send Honky running away. Back in, Honk gets a classic cheapshot out of the corner and takes over. Fistdrop gets two. Shake Rattle N Roll is countered by Badd (and how could they call it that without getting sued, anyway?) and he makes the comeback. Badd pounds away in the corner and a kneelift gets two, but TRAGICALLY, the ref is bumped. Honky lays him out with the guitar and draws the DQ at 6:11. Man, watching Honky go out there and do all his dated 80s Memphis bullshit was pretty sad. * This was supposed to set up the final showdown at Starrcade, but Honky got fired (gleefully, according to Bischoff) and Badd wrestled Arn Anderson instead.

Meanwhile, The Three Faces of Fear have some generic, vaguely threatening words for Hulkamania. Brutus Beefcake as a supposed top-level heel was just…I don’t even have the words. The first problem I suppose was that he looked like someone’s dad out for a run after a day at the natural health food store.

Harlem Heat v. The Nasty Boys

Holy god these teams wrestled each other a lot from 94-97. The graphic actually identified “Harlem Heat with Sensuous Sherri”, thus giving away the big twist ending, because WCW. Tony clarifies that the Hoffman brothers are in fact true blood relatives, much like other real brother teams. Like the Andersons. Sigh. The Nasties clean house, but Stevie Ray pounds on Sags in the corner before getting caught in the Nasty zone. THEY BE CLUBBERING, TONY! Oh wait, Dusty’s not on commentary. I retract the clubbering. That gets two for Sags. Nasties go to work on the leg and we take a break. Back with Booker superkicking Knobbs out of the ring to take over. Spinkick and Booker goes up and misses an elbow, allowing Sags to get the hot tag. That was quite the heat segment. Stevie bails and tries to call his secret manager on the phone, but the Nasties beat up him up back in the ring as we reveal that Sherri is in fact their secret weapon. The Nasties get distracted and the Heat win somehow at 12:00 as no one on the crew was paying any particular attention. Because WCW. Thankfully Sherri was a much better fit for Harlem Heat and actually got them to the next level. *1/2

Vader v. Dustin Rhodes

Vader smacks him around in the corner and clarifies that it ain’t no tea party. Just in case Dustin was confused on that point, I suppose. So Dustin charges and out and beats on Vader in impression fashion, then rips off his mask and slaps the shit out of him. Now we’re talking! Crossbody gets two for Dustin. Clothesline puts Vader on the floor and they brawl out there, as Dustin puts Race on his ass for good measure and FINALLY wakes up the crowd. Back in, Dustin stays on him and if it was UFC the ref would be stopping it at this point. Dustin with a suplex and Vader takes another breather, clearly shocked that he’s in this position. Back in, Dustin takes another run at him and this time it backfires, and now Vader boxes him in the corner, but misses a charge and Dustin gets a rollup for two. Vader pummels him down again, but he charges and Dustin catches him with a powerslam out of the corner. Dustin with a lariat and he pounds away again, but Vader tosses him over the top and right into the railing in a vicious bump that the camera crew totally misses. Back in, Vaderbomb gets two, so he does it again, HARDER, and it also gets two. Vader unloads again in the corner, but Dustin is too stupid to stay down and comes back with another powerslam before winning a slugfest and going up with a lariat for two. A DDT off the middle ropes gets two. Bulldog gets two and he goes after Race again, but Vader hits him from behind and finishes with the inverted powerbomb at 11:54. I recall this being where smart fans accepted Dustin Rhodes once and for all. **** Jim Duggan makes the save to set up their Starrcade US title match, which also ended up pretty good.

US Title: Hacksaw Jim Duggan v. Stunning Steve Austin

End of the line for Austin. Steve with hair and a goatee is such a weird combo for him. Austin protests hairpulling a few times to start, and Vader runs in for the DQ immediately. I thought this show was running long.

Hulk Hogan, Sting & Dave Sullivan v. Kevin Sullivan, The Butcher & Avalanche

Mr. T is the special referee, dressed in what appears to be striped pajamas, complete with a nightcap. The Hulkamaniacs dominate Kevin Sullivan to start, but soon everyone is in the ring and the suck is running wild. Avalanche splashes Dave’s shoulder and he’s immediately taken back to the dressing room like a huge pussy, leaving Hogan and Sting alone. Wow, left alone against Brutus Beefcake AND part-time wrestler Kevin Sullivan? How will he ever survive? So Butcher pounds away on Hogan and Avalanche blocks a slam for two. Bearhug time, which allows me to ponder why they didn’t just do Hogan v. Avalanche for Starrcade, since that was at least a thing that popped a buyrate four years previous and thus had slightly more than a snowball’s chance in hell of being something worthwhile. Beefcake had barely even been active as a wrestler since that time and was mostly forgotten. Avalanche misses a splash and Hogan makes the tag to Sting, who hits Avalanche with a pair of Stinger splashes to no avail. Sullivan quickly comes in for the double-team to take over again, and Butcher unleashes a devastating choke. Like seriously, Beefcake couldn’t even be bothered to get into shape. Do some steroids and get a tan! If he had come in looking like the Disciple they might have had something. Sullivan goes up and Sting slams him off, but it’s hot tag Hogan and he quickly kicks Butcher’s ass. And then pins Sullivan at 10:54 because even 3-on-2 Hogan can’t do a job to build up the biggest show of the year. Nothing really to the match as there was no real heat segment and it was just a big mess. *

The Pulse

Welcome to the Hogan Era. Definitely check out the lost classic that was Vader v. Dustin Rhodes, and skip the rest with prejudice.

Comments

  1. According to Honky Bischoff didn't even want him there in the first place.

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  2. I feel like I heard the deal was Honky decided to hold Bischoff up for more money the night of the show, and Eric was like, "no thanks."

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  3. I know there's one thing Hulkamania can't beat and that's a giant riding a mammoth!

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  4. Money in the bank 2011 is on the live feed. Will that go down as the greatest ppv/special of this decade? I think so!

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  5. Hulkamania also couldn't beat Linda's divorce lawyers.

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  6. Vader and Dustin always had good chemistry in WCW as Dustin was one of the few guys willing to take Vader's offense. It's a shame their Rumble '98 match was disappointing.

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  7. Haven't seen it in a while but I remember thinking that match was pretty good.

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  8. Punk/Cena remains the most recognized and talked about PPV Main Event (in a good way), so it's winning as of now.

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  9. I think it's comfortably #1 right now. It's gonna be so hard to beat. Molten crowd? Check. Huge main event with a big time story line coming in and a ***** performance? Check. **** performances from Orton/Christian and the MITB matches plus a strong story between Henry and Show with a fun match to top it off.


    Gonna be really hard to beat.

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  10. It wasn't bad, just disappointing I guess when you know both guys are capable of so much more.

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  11. Harlem Heat and the Nasty Boys proved you could work with each other a million times (slight hyperbole) and still suck every single time. I don't think one of their matches even touched 2-stars.

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  12. I haven't seen much of their WCW stuff. By that time Vader was a shell of himself in WWF and Goldust wasn't tearing the house down every night. I was surprised at the quality. But I plan on checking out their WCW stuff too.

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  13. To be fair, Dustin stopped giving a shit at that point and looked horribly out of shape, even under the guise of a full body suit.

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  14. I take a lot off of Orton/Christian for the ending, and MITB matches weren't THAT great.



    I've gotta give the nod to 2012 Extreme Rules.

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  15. 20 years later and seeing how WCW completely and utterly failed to see the potential in Austin is still absolutely mind-bogglingly idiotic.

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  16. I could easily say "Blame Hulk", but WCW was fucking with Austin before that, like breaking up the Hollywood Blondes because.... they got over?

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  17. And never really bought the whole "Flair was going to put him over just before Hogan came over" line given how Flair could be as bad as Hogan when it came to spotlight hogging and such.

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  18. Neither did the WWF. That Ringmaster gimmick was mid-card from the get-go.

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  19. Was Austin even on the radar for a World Title program when it came to the TV product? Seemed like he was always holding a midcard title or trying to regain it.

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  20. Yeah, think that line came up from those angered over Hogan sending creative in a tail-spin and 20/20 on how huge Austin later became.

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  21. I think Blame Bischoff is more appropriate. What's even mre frustrating is that even if Bischoff could see into the future and saw what a huge star Austin would become, I still doubt Bischoff would have pushed and would have only gotten him under contract so WWF didn't get him.

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  22. And they gave him Ted DiBiase. Two death blows.

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  23. Virgil's Gimmick TableJune 8, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    I still love the ending just because of Orton's facial expression after he realizes the mistake he just made and because of how insane the crowd was.

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  24. Imagine if Austin or Foley don't get themselves over in '96, cause face it, WWE had no cares in doing it themselves. I'm amazed Foley got Vince to change his mind on the original concept and name of his Mankind persona.

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  25. Much like Austin getting Ted DiBiase was a death blow to his character, Mankind feuding with Undertaker was a death blow to his because at that point, everybody who feuded with Undertaker, in kayfabe terms at least made it seem like Undertaker booted them out of the promotion because the wrestlers would soon disappear after the feud.

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  26. The defenders of the inner-gate believed in Hulkamania, Brother!

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  27. I'm pretty sure some other deity got involved there because we never saw them actually kill the giant.

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  28. Really? I ADD a lot to Orton/Christian because of the finish.

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  29. Eric refused the Road Warriors demands also. Not sure if you want to count them as WWF guys since they had more success in the NWA.

    For the guys that keep up with such things: exactly how many tv title matches did Arn wrestle?

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  30. His matches with Steamboat were given a lot of time and were pretty high up the card. Would've been tough to break that next level, but given Flair himself was working with Steamboat and Windham before Hogan it's not outside the realm of possibility that a guy like Austin would've been not too far away.

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  31. It's worth remembering that WWF didn't see shit in him either for a good six months as well

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  32. I'm pretty sure that's a bullshit line.

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  33. Did Mr. T's momma give him his striped pajamas?

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  34. I gotta wonder how much money is too much money for Bischoff.

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  35. I'm reading that LOLTNA history at work and man they were stupid from the word go:

    Syxx-Pac shoots on "sports entertainment" and how he was in TNA for professional wrestling again. He cut this promo immediately preceding an impromptu boxing match between Screech from Saved by the Bell and Tiny - TNA's obese timekeeper.



    ---It's going to be hard not to laugh out loud at my desk today. This is the best thread since the DVDVR sleaze thread.

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  36. I think part of why Austin survived in the WWF through the Ringmaster and Dibiase was because a lot of fans knew him from WCW and knew he was awesome.

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  37. Main event ending of 2012 Extreme Rules is so stupid that it kinda kills what came before it. And Cena never did take his promised leave.

    Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus is CHOICE, though.

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  38. Just 1 Clash away from the most awesome/surreal/horrible moment in wrestling history... (and yes, It was all 3 of those things at the same time)

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  39. 100% agreed with all of that. Awesome feud, awesome matches, awesome finishes. The Storyline was that Orton was simply better.

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  40. I would say so, yes. Extreme Rules 2012 is great but MitB finish just blows the finish to Extreme Rules out of the water.

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  41. I'm looking forward to Scott's review! I may not even look the clash up on Wikipedia!

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  42. What is the exact link/site for that? I keep seeing it, but i found nothing on wikipedia. is that there it is?

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  43. After Summerslam 1996, (still as a mark), I was absolutely 100% convinced that both Yoko and Taker were going to WCW after the way they lost their matches. I had definitely noticed a pattern, even pre-internet. (Of course, both guys were on Raw the following night. OOPS!)

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  44. http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History

    My joy at it being unblocked at work is unparalleled right now.

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  45. Thanks. I might not bother with it now, as I might literally get zero work done if I open it.

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  46. Lex Luger's arrival in TNA came while he was still under indictment for thirteen felony drug charges after the death of Miss Elizabeth happened in his home. TNA used this to their advantage and hyped this as his first match since the Elizabeth fiasco. Before his match he cut a shitty promo in which he called AJ Styles "AC" Styles. Luger then almost made AJ tap in the Torture Rack until Sting saved the day. Way to keep your top face strong, TNA.

    TNA didn't book AJ Styles as strong as a t-shirt gets booked in the indies. I bet he is very happy he made the move to New Japan.

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  47. That is the point for me today. I am openly trying to do about zero work. Pretty much all my co workers and I talk about is lining up interviews for other jobs and how much we hate it there. This site is a godsend. Apparently they have a LOLWWE too.

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  48. You should all pull a CM Punk.

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  49. People have pulled both a CM Punk and a Stone Cold Steve Austin here in the past. I am also phoning it in harder than Curtis Axel feud era Punk.

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  50. I was shocked they would job Yoko to a midcarder even if it was Austin and he was King of the Ring. That totally seemed like the kind of loss that they would send people out on to go to the competition; although I guess it was a "Lose some weight, fatty, because WCW won't hire you either." message.

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  51. I think Austin's U.S. title run in 1994 was definitely positioning him for feuding with Flair and Sting down the line. I also recall Flair and Austin having a lot of interaction when Flair had the title. I bet 94 Flair vs. Austin would have done great numbers on PPV.

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  52. The money I get from bottle and can returns is more than 90s HTM was worth.

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  53. ... Was the main event Hogan/Savage vs 2 members of the Faces of Fear?

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  54. I thought that was done because both Flair and Dusty saw Austin as a top star and wanted to get him away from Pillman who wasn't viewed in that same light? If being fucked with is being handed the company's second most important title when it still meant something, being booked strongly against a guy like Ricky Steamboat and getting to pal around with Ric Flair on camera, then I think most wrestlers of that era would have been fine with WCW fucking with their career.

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  55. since we still have almost six years to go I wouldn't want to make any predictions yet.

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  56. There's a LOLCZW too.

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  57. Maybe he had some Ric Flair level loyalty? Plus he probably knew he was never going to WWE.

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  58. Well it wasn't his money remember. Vince was spending his own to make WWF a success.

    Funny how that works huh? Not saying that made Bischoff an idiot or anything, just that McMahon had much higher stakes in play.

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  59. Austin himself admits he wouldn't have been Stone Cold in WCW because it was that bitterness over being released that lit a fire under his ass. And if he never goes to ECW, I don't think he ever gets past The Ringmaster either. He needed those hurdles to get him to Stone Cold.

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  60. AverageJoeEverymanJune 9, 2014 at 8:26 AM

    The finish with the Vaderbomb while Luna was on his back is awesome, and I always thought more of it than the ratings Ive seen too.

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  61. AverageJoeEverymanJune 9, 2014 at 8:28 AM

    "Oh but please dont die"

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  62. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    Dustin was starting to put on weight around this time and Vader himself gained like 50 pounds between Oct-Feb so I'm high skeptical about (and intrigued to see) this 4-star Vader/Dustin match. This is the one Clash from 15 to 35 that I missed first-run. This is also during WCW's unwatchable year of everything between Fall Brawl 94 and Fall Brawl 95.

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  63. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    I feel like The Undertaker would have been renamed Grave Digger and wore neon green and black. And been the TV Champion.

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  64. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 8:59 AM

    I was also shocked during the pre-show but it was because T.L. Hopper found a turd in the pool.

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  65. well... this was about 1 month after the NWO started... would have been a perfect fit for them.

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  66. Marlena/Terri stole the show in that one. (at least for me)

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  67. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 9:00 AM

    Austin didn't want to be in the team. He wanted to be a singles star. They broke up the team and immediately gave Austin the US Title for like a year. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

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  68. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    Keep in mind from a business standpoint, Austin was going on 5 years with the company and had basically done all he realistically could do. I think everyone on this blog believe Austin was a super talented worker but WCW's focus on 1995 was not "have a great worker for Hogan to main event with" it was 1980's cartoon Dungeon of Doom cheese and Hulk being booked as a superhero. Austin was talent but he didn't fit into 1995 WCW. (As Stunning Steve) he fit more into 1998 WCW with all the workhorses all over Nitro.

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  69. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    No, he was never even a longshot challenger. I watched WCW every week. Closest he'd get was tag main events on WCW SN with Flair, Sting, etc.

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  70. I don't believe it either, Flair's full of shit.

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  71. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 9:07 AM

    Of this decade? Without a doubt and it's not even close.

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  72. Yet people act like breaking them up was the biggest wrestling travesty of the decade.

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  73. CruelConnectionNumber2June 9, 2014 at 9:11 AM

    Thought that was match was good and it's frequently talked about as a good opener.

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  74. Honky also didn't want to do any jobs on tv.

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  75. As a kid, i just KNEW that Honky would somehow win that TV title and hold it for like 2-3 years. I had pretty much accepted that it would happen... Thank goodness for contract disputes!

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  76. Beefcake turning on Hogan wasn't a bad idea in theory, and honestly WCW did a decent job with the build, but like Scott said Bruti looked out of shape and not credible in the least. Not helped by the fact of Hogan not giving anything to the heels of course.

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  77. Exactly. Austin himself says that Vince only saw him as a mechanic and brought him in to have good matches with people. It's revisionist history for anyone to say that Vince instantly knew Austin was going to be a megastar and signed him for that reason.

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  78. That wasn't why they were broken up. They were broken up because the Clash with Flair's return did a terrible rating, and the Blonds were blamed for it.

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  79. The Blonds and the various Heavenly Body incarnations were pretty far and away the best tag teams in the country. Maybe even the world, as Misawa was in a transition phase from Kawada to Kobashi. They were pretty clearly broken up before their time.

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  80. As CruelConnection basically said, US Title singles push > Tag titles push.

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  81. Not really sure it's cut and dried like that, like it is with the WWF and IC tag belts. WCW was always a tag team promotion. Plus the US title had recently been sitting vacant for what seemed like 6 years. Plus as a Blond, Austin got an *actual* feud with Flair as opposed to the hypothetical fantasy one he got as US champ.

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  82. At least they could have gave him a proper name and outfit and not a black something as "The Butcher"...

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  83. Didn't even remember Honky Tonk was in WCW.

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  84. Butcher actually made sense, like a Barber gone evil. So that part, I had zero problem with.

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  85. his theme music was a very similar version of his WWF theme. sort of like Hogan's was.

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  86. Yeah his name change was pretty clever. But as a heel he just came off as cartoony which is probably what they were going for but doesn't make for a compelling top heel character.

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  87. It would have been fine for a Clash blow-off something, but the biggest show of the year (or, one of them, anyway)? No, thanks.

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  88. Well it didn't help that Bischoff downplayed Starrcade when he got in power. Yeah I know the whole Christmas season argument and he had a point but every wrestling promotion needs a Super Bowl level card. Either move SC back to November or promote HH as the big one.

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  89. Yeah, one Mankind was actually booked to look strong in that feud, I didn't know how to react. I was sure it was going to be just another Undertaker feud.

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  90. Did Flair ever actually say that? It wouldn't surprise me if he did, but I always thought that was something that sorta developed organically from fans.

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  91. I don't think anyone believes that. The dude was called the RINGMASTER, got himself over without being punished for it, and did nothing until they finally relented and booked him with Bret Hart. He won the KOTR because Helmsley was being punished, and worked a dark match (FFA = dark match) at SummerSlam in a match designed only to embarrass Yokozuna for being horribly out of shape.

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  92. They pretty much always promoted Superbrawl and Havoc as bigger shows than Starrcade. Exceptions being 96, 97 and 98, perhaps.

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  93. No, I totally get what you're saying. McMahon couldn't give midcard guys $600,000/yr just because. He actually had to pay them less because it was his money. And now, he pays them less because he can.

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  94. Exactly. Austin and Bischoff talked about this recently on his podcast.


    Also Eric said it was never an issue of not seeing any potential in him, just that Steve wasn't the best value or employee at the time.

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  95. TOTALLY agreed. Smoking hot, as she would remain throughout her WWF tenure.

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  96. US Champ Rick Rude was the company's top heel throughout 91 and 92. US Champ Sting was the company's top face.


    It was a big deal, arguably bigger than the IC strap at the time.

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  97. This is true.


    Although it doesn't fit the narrative that Flair was always a massive draw and if WCW just would've trusted him everything would've been great.

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  98. I actually would have been fine if they wanted to make the Great American Bash/Bash at the Beach the big shows, or maybe a true "Big 4", with those two, HH, and Starcade. It just seems, as fans, we didn't really know what the biggest show was supposed to be.

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  99. I'd accept that bet.

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  100. I'm with you on this one.

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  101. Extreme Rules 2012?

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  102. Eh, not really. Sure, he had a ton of potential, but it's hard to fault for Bischoff for going with Hogan and guys, since having Hogan opened doors that were previously closed to WCW. I know, they still could have pushed Austin, even with Hogan on top, but that just wasn't on Bischoff's mind.

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  103. THIS! It was literally the perfect finish for that match. WONDERFUL heel work from Christian, and Orton at his absolute best in the ring.


    Great match.

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  104. I know this will get me heat, but I think that MITB match is actually in the bottom tier of Cena-Punk matches from a work perspective. I liked Summerslam, Night of Champions and the Raw match more.


    Still an excellent match. *ducks for cover*

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  105. Came in, had a bad match or two, a cheesy promo or seven and left.

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  106. That was the problem, there was no defined biggest show of the year.

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