The SmarK Rant for Clash of the Champions XXX (January 1995)
Oh god, THIS show.
Live from Las Vegas, NV.
Your hosts are Tony Schiavone & Bobby Heenan
World TV title: Arn Anderson v. Johnny B. Badd
So as noted, Honky Tonk Man got fired before Starrcade and Arn got the title shot there instead, and then went on to win the belt a couple of weeks later. This is the rematch DEMANDED by those dumb enough to pay $1.49/minute to the WCW hotline to vote for it. So you would think they would have to change the title to justify the gimmick. Badd puts Arn down with a kneelift, but Arn takes out the knee and goes up. Badd dropkicks him to the floor and follows with a dive, and back in controls with armdrags. Enzuigiri gets two. Arn tries his own in a cute spot, and of course misses badly and allows Badd to get a rollup for two. Finally Badd charges and gets clotheslined on the top rope, and Arn chokes him out and allows Parker to get a cheapshot. Arn stomps him down for two and goes to the chinlock. Badd slugs back, but Arn goes up and they set up for the “babyface gets his foot up” spot, but Arn actually evades it and drops an elbow instead. Sadly, he makes the mistake of pointing to his head to indicate his intelligence, and Badd makes the comeback. Well, baby steps. Badd with a rana and he puts Arn on the floor with the knockout punch, but Parker revives Arn with cold water. I’m dubious on the medical science behind that. Maybe he should have dropped a big elbow on him instead? Badd chases Parker and walks into a DDT at 7:37 as Arn retains. Note from WCW to fans voting on the hotline: Fuck you. Solid opener. **1/2 Given I couldn’t remember who beat Arn for the belt, I made the mistake of looking it up, and got all depressed about this year again.
Meanwhile, the Faces of Fear have some words for Hogan & Savage. I will say that it really makes me respect Mean Gene’s ability as an interviewer to control things, rather than today’s morons who just start with “How are you feeling after that loss?” or something equally vapid.
Alex Wright has a music video and it’s pretty terrible. Maybe if he had more than the one dance move?
Beautiful Bobby v. Alex Wright
Eaton would soon be repackaged into Earl Robert Eaton as Regal’s tag partner, and unlike guys like Ricky Morton, Eaton COMMITTED to the role. He changed his name, haircut, and manner of dress. Just wanted to bring that up because Eaton is great and underappreciated. Wright controls with an armbar while the announcers talk up his big Starrcade win over some jobber named Jean-Paul Levesque. As if that goof will ever amount to anything. So Wright is just all over that arm, but Eaton slugs him down and goes to the chinlock until Wright escapes with a suplex. He makes the comeback with a back elbow and goes up with a missile dropkick for two. Crossbody gets two. Eaton puts him down with a neckbreaker and goes up to finish with the Alabama Jam, but it only gets two. I would have bet money on that move missing. Eaton gives him an annoyed look and pounds away in the corner, but Wright comes back with one last crossbody to finish at 7:33. Weird finishing sequence, as I think Wright really was supposed to move there and missed his cue. Match was fine. **1/2
Vader joins us at ringside because he bought seats. And they announce his as being there, just in case we didn’t see the run-in coming from far enough away.
WCW World tag titles: Harlem Heat v. Stars & Stripes
So now Ric Flair also joins us at ringside, also WCW comps him seats four or five rows back so that’s something of a misnomer. To show how far in advance they were taping at this point, this was advertised as the Heat’s first title defense after winning them from Stars & Stripes 10 days before, but in reality that title change was taped at the beginning of DECEMBER, a month before. Saved them money, I guess. The babyfaces clean house and get a double hiptoss on Booker for two and double-team him for a bit, but Bagwell gets caught in the heel corner and you could say it’s a Harlem Heat Segment. Booker with a chinlock as they do a super-basic match for a dead crowd. Booker and Bagwell collide on a bodyblock attempt as we get a funny bit with Heenan (“I’m gonna report on my hotline what I did with Flair after the Clash and it’s gonna be X-rated!” “Brain, you couldn’t even stay awake for the All Nighter last week!”) Pier-six brawl and Sherri gets bumped, allowing Bagwell to roll up Booker, but Stevie sidekicks them over and Booker grabs the tights for the pin at 9:30 to retain. This was fine and totally unremarkable. **
And now the show goes off the metaphorical cliff, as Mean Gene interviews the Megapowers (whoops, sorry, I mean “Monster Maniacs”) about tonight’s main event.
Sting v. Avalanche
Ray “Big Bubba Bossman the Guardian Angel” Traylor is the special referee for some reason. Avalanche is introduced from “Mt. Everest, Washington.” What the FUCK? Did they mean Mt. Rainier or Mt. Saint Helens even? Sting quickly dropkicks Avalanche to the floor, but Mr. Angel prevents him from chasing. Back in, Sting tries a slam and Avalanche falls on top for two. He pounds away in the corner as we get another great out of context quote from Tony: “Speaking of flopping, Avalanche…” Powerslam gets two. Sting comes back with his “accidental headbutt to the groin” spot, and the Stinger splash times four to set up the bodyslam. Scorpion Deathlock finishes at 5:20 as Nick Patrick randomly runs in and declares that Avalanche had given up. At which point Angel turns heel and beats on Sting for no adequately explored reason. * So with that gimmick another giant flop for Traylor, he gives an interview with Mean Gene afterwards where he declares that he’s going back to being Big Bubba Rogers again.
Kevin Sullivan & The Butcher v. Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage
This could probably be safely classified as the low point for Hogan’s rampant egomania, as he brings in Savage for a big money run and immediately marginalizes him as his wacky sidekick. Just to name one thing. Like really, how difficult would it have been for them to bring in Savage, keep him strong, and then redo the Megapowers angle? The Egomaniacs double-team Butcher in the corner as Savage is more fringe than man at this point. Tony trying to recap the Dave Sullivan “magic slippers” angle while not sounding retarded is actually kind of amusing. Butcher quickly caches Hogan with the sleeper, which would be more devastating had he ever been allowed to beat anyone with it in WCW, but he chooses to release the hold instead of having the ref check the arm. So, in a historic WCW moment, Savage goes to the top and drops the fucking elbow on Hogan to wake him up. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK? Yes, the REVIVING ELBOW. So he hulks up (because OF COURSE HE DOES) and they just continue with the match as though everything is totally cool and normal again. HE DROPPED THE ELBOW ON HIS OWN PARTNER! And we didn’t even get to the thing that made everyone irate yet! Savage gets caught outside and sent into the post, and sadly there’s no one around to drop an elbow on him to wake him up. So Sullivan beats on him in the corner and Butcher gets another sleeper, but Savage escapes without the need for his own tag partner to perform a finisher on him, and makes the hot tag to Hogan. Big elbow and legdrop finish Butcher at 12:00. What, the elbow didn’t instantly revive him? And speaking of instant revivals, Vader attacks to set up their Superbrawl title match and powerbombs Hogan, who instantly pops up and chases Vader off by himself. And then they had to try to sell that PPV with Hogan already having killed Vader’s finish! After he already wrestled a long match! So this was kind of stupid. AND IT WOULD GET WORSE!
The Pulse
An OK show that absolutely went into the crapper after the halfway point and pretty much sums up everything people hated about the Hogan character at this point. Strong recommendation to avoid.
The thing with planning is it relieves a great deal of the cognitive burden when performing and consequently affords you a great deal of attention to focus on nuance. I wrestle with the extent to which I should plan constantly when I do stand up comedy. Should I lay out an ideal set before I go up or should I just wing it and feel the audience out as I go? The latter of course appears to be much more romantic--just getting on stage and letting it flow--but the results can be uninspiring if things don't go just right. If you're lining up your set as you go, some part of you is going to be missing from the moment. You're probably going to forget bits that you really meant to use. And the nightmare of all nightmares, you risk freezing up. Setting a structure beforehand, one that you don't absolutely need to follow, but may if you get lost, is ridiculously practical.
ReplyDeleteConsidering Steamboat and Savage were in for the match of their careers, they would have been negligent if they hadn't worked out a script beforehand. You really can't argue with the results. And Flair can't really say he doesn't plan when he works with a formula. His body of work speaks for itself, but it wasn't packed with particularly creative spots.
" Maybe if he had more than the one dance move? "
ReplyDeleteWhoa there, buddy. It's not like he's a BLACK wrestler.
The Reviving Elbow is pretty much the most meta-move in pro wrestling history.
ReplyDeleteEverybody knows that Hogan's guaranteed to wake right up after kicking out of your finisher. It happened every night for 15 years. All those hundreds of heels should've been going for nothing but small packages.
I remember after this show I didn't watch WCW for a few months, although I came back a while later, because it isn't like the WWF was setting the world on fire or anything. As stupid as the reviving elbow was, what really pissed me of was that damn power bomb spot.
ReplyDeleteAnd fuck the Renegade, if that's who eventually beat Arn Anderson.
There are some booking meetings I would love to have been a fly on the wall for throughout wrestling history.
ReplyDeleteI think one of my top ones is the meeting where someone (Hogan?) pitched the "reviving elbow" plan just to see how anyone in their right fucking mind thought it was a good idea. I also pity the poor bastard who had to tell Savage.
Number of times Kevin Sullivan wished he were dead in 1995 - unlimited.
ReplyDeleteIt's cute you think they had booking meetings.
ReplyDeleteWell, no one ever accused of Hogan of not doing what's in his best interests.
ReplyDeleteAgain I say for all the shit we give WWE for protecting Cena, and sometimes rightfully so, they have NOTHING on Hogan during this time period. Imagine if Cena told a Bryan to hit him with the running knee to give him energy against the Wyatt's or something.
ReplyDeleteThat would actually be fucking hilarious, just for the reaction on this blog.
ReplyDeleteIf there was a period that probably *should* have killed WCW, this was one of them.
ReplyDeleteI can just imagine hogan losing wrestlemania 3 on a schoolboy roll up by Andre.
ReplyDeleteJust watched a Cactus Jack promo from ECW around this same time period, where Cactus states if he'd had known Kevin Sullivan was planning to turn on his idiot brother, and try take down Hogan, Cactus would've stuck around to help. Just great stuff from Mick, making WCW sound way more interesting than it really was.
ReplyDeleteI don't know, as an unabashed fan of Chikara and their batshit crazy story lines is found the DoD stuff hilarious in retrospect.
ReplyDelete"THERE ARE NO HULKAMANIACS HERE!!!!!!!"
WCW could have died a lot of times, except Ted Turner wanted WCW around.
ReplyDeleteJack would have been an interesting opponent for Hogan, unlike ANY of the guys they actually had in the Dungeon of Doom
ReplyDeleteI mean, I GET why in wrestling the reviving elbow works... but imagining Hogan explain it to those involved has to be insane.
ReplyDeleteI wish Savage could have just continued in the WWF in '95. The crazy old Macho Man going after Bret, Shawn, Diesel, and Razor would have made for MUCH better material than his "Hogan's lackey" shit in WCW.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Vince should have kept him around and kept pushing him as a wrestler. He could have still done the New Generation stuff just fine.
ReplyDeleteReading about the taping schedule makes my head spin.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I can't wrap my head around it. Who is the poor bastard that had to keep track of that shit?
Yep. It would have been great to see Randy get the chance to run wild with a new crop of talent, without Hogan around for the first time.
ReplyDeleteThe dumb part to me, is that he apparently wanted Savage to be an announcer and maybe occasional wrestler, to make way for the "New Generation", but he had guys like Nikolai Volkoff and King Kong Bundy around.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to say it earlier, but Bobby Eaton was awesome as Earl Robert Eaton. I really liked the Bluebloods run.
ReplyDeleteWell, whoever came up with it had to run it by someone, right?
ReplyDeleteLike Hogan came into a room with Bischoff and Sullivan and said "You know something brothers? Randy should come off the top and drop the big elbow on me, which gets me bouncing back and Hulkin' up just like at WrestleMania V in the Silverdome!"
"Wasn't that WrestleMania in Atlantic City?"
"No, that was WrestleMania IV, where I fought Andre in a rematch."
"I thought you said Andre died a few weeks after WrestleMania III because of how hard your bodyslammed him."
"He got better, brother! By the way, you got to bring his son in to work with me!"
The sad thing is that Hogan probably thought that reviving elbow spot was so clever. "Hey brother...I got a great idea for the match tonight."
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Backlund, though to be fair his whole character was anti-NG so it worked in that context.
ReplyDeleteImagine savages crazy "most dangerous man in sports" character being in wwf during the attitude era. I never thought of that but that would have been so fuckin awesome
ReplyDeleteDid anyone have a worse two years in 1995 and 1996 than Leon White?
ReplyDeleteVince?
ReplyDelete96 was a pretty good year for him to be honest. Got a monster push up until Spummerslam and still involved in the main event scene afterwards.
ReplyDeleteIt's so weird watching Goldust be all trim and in shape and looking like a 6' 6" cruiserweight at 45 with how we've seen him look throughout his career.
ReplyDeleteI guess but losing to HBK kind of killed his momentum in the WWF. He was never the same after that event. He went from monster heel to just another guy.
ReplyDeleteGood point
ReplyDeleteI remember an article in one of the Apter magazines talking about how Hogan had gone to Japan for experimental surgery to deaden nerves in his neck and back so he wouldn't be hurt by Vader's powerbomb.
ReplyDeleteI think Backlund worked fine, being the anti-NG guy, as you noted.
ReplyDeleteI remember the 1994 Rumble, where Tatanka beat Bam Bam, only to be eliminated from the Rumble by him.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least they tried.
ReplyDeleteI think his steam got wrecked during his "suspension"/injury between RR and WM. He got going a bit more but his biggest push was really just from right after KOTR through SS.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I see what you're saying. I like Shawn's philosophy better: You have certain spots that everyone knows is coming, but you can do different stuff in-between from match to match.
ReplyDeleteHogan hulked up when his partner gave him his finisher (Savage's top rope elbow)
ReplyDeleteI don't think Scott ever reviewed it, he skipped 31-34 IIRC.
ReplyDeleteRead the CZW one that linked at the bottom, it's even better.
ReplyDeleteHe was already injured heading into the WWF and needed that surgery. It gave him some time to drop the extra 60 pounds he put onto his already massive frame during his shit WCW '95 year. Vader was booked well,, I thought (killer during Rumble and after Rumble, won at Mania, won feud with Yoko, DQ KOTR loss, pinned Shawn on PPV) heading into SummerSlam.
ReplyDeleteYeah the beginning of his WWF tenure was awesome. Unstoppable monster. I think they could have gotten some more money out of it. Have him beat Shawn and have Shawn spend the next few months trying to win it back. Similar to what they did with Yoko and Bret but with a guy who could actual put on great matches.
ReplyDeleteYah he def needed the time off... just felt like it hurt his momentum coming off the awesome Gorilla moment.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that Jimmy Hart wrote both versions, this shouldn't be at all surprising.
ReplyDeleteThat elbow drop. Wow. They killed Savage's finisher in the event they do a program together, and Savage looks like a giant wuss IN HIS DEBUT by playing the Ricky Morton role to an out of shape part-timer and out of shape Ed Leslie. You were better off in WWF as Vince's color man.
ReplyDeleteI would have loved to have seen the look on the bookers faces when Hogan came back from the ring after that bullshit and said, "What did you think? Great match, huh?"
ReplyDeleteIndeed. Worst match of Arn's career. Probably.
ReplyDeleteI would pay $30 for a Timeline: Hulk Hogan's career, as told by Hulk Hogan. Fuck it, $100.
ReplyDeleteI think it's just something that was out there on RSPW back in the day that people turned into fact. I don't recall Flair ever saying it either.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think much of the match itself but it was a pretty clever finish.
ReplyDeleteThat six man tag at "International Incident" is the epitome of lost classic given the hurting status of WWF at the time. But man, it's just a half hour of classic "sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch some pure formula tag team wrestling".
ReplyDeleteThe meetings went like this:
ReplyDelete*pointing to Sullivan* YOU eat a legdrop."
*pointing to Beefcake* YOU eat a legdrop."
*pointing to Vader* YOU eat a legdrop."
*pointing to Savage* YOU eat a legdrop."
Savage: "But...but I'm your tag partner."
*Hogan stages at Savage, Macho looks down at the floor*
Hogan: "...like I was saying YOU eat a legdrop, then you all get the fuck out of the ring so I can pose for 15 minutes.."
No, because it would have been worse (see below)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTUOEYgg88
Same here. I thought WCW was going to try and recreate his IC title run with the TV title. Honky seemed out of place in WCW to me though. Odd seeing as how you'd think his gimmick would be tailor made for a promotion based in the South. He just didn't seem to fit with WCW at the time in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteThat whole PPV was WWF's "we don't even care" show of 1996: No title matches, and a Main Event that had a predictable finish thanks to Cornette's "we'll refund everyone if we lose". Awesome main, poorest of poor shows booking wise.
ReplyDeleteVader should have been the one to win the title at Final a Four in early 97 and face Taker at Mania 13. Not saying it would have increased business but it was better than Sid.
ReplyDeleteCosigned 100%... tons of fun... forgotten classic for sure
ReplyDeleteI agree. I've always been in favor of a Vader title run. It would have made Shawn look more impressive in the rematch for the title
ReplyDeleteAt least they cut the fried chicken eating part out of the video.
ReplyDeleteAnd the close-up of the lips? WHAT ABOUT THE LIPS!?!
ReplyDelete"he gives an
ReplyDeleteinterview with Mean Gene afterwards where he declares that he’s going
back to being Big Bubba Rogers again."
don't forget that as he walked up to mean gene, before he even announced the gimmick change, mean gene blurted out "who's side is he on?! what is this, big bubba?!"
And the part where the guy thought he wasn't going to pay for it at the end.
ReplyDeleteThe mind of Vince McMahon, ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah I never got the Sid title run. Shawn really had the ego back then though. Not only did Sid, a guy Shawn liked to beat, get the transitional title run but he still had to win the match by cheating (and still got cheered).
ReplyDeleteWe could have a fantasy Egomaniac tournament and Shawn 1996-1997 and Hogan 1995-96 would be in the finals.
"Because WCW" will never get old. Scott should repost all his WCW rants again and tally all the "Because WCW" moments. Hell, one of us would probably do it with enough free time.
ReplyDeleteis that really a "because wcw" thing, though? or more just on mean gene
ReplyDeletethough one could argue that no matter how good you are, ince you join wcw, you get infected
Blowing a line during a live interview that spoils the interview and the reveal of a character change is probably the lowest level "Because WCW". That's what backstage promos where you can do numerous takes are for.
ReplyDeletewell, i don't know about all the bookers, but i bet one booker said, "hulk hogan, i'm comin' for you..."
ReplyDelete/thanksfortheperfectsetup
oj simpson?
ReplyDeleteVader's 1997 and 1998 sucked harder, IMO.
ReplyDeleteGod, I miss the Apter mags coming up with bullshit excuses for stuff. Like the bit at Halloween Havoc 90 where they try to explain how the Four Horsemen would know not only what tights Sting would be wearing that night but the style of his face paint for Barry Windham to pose as him.
ReplyDeleteHe was probably grateful he had a job.
ReplyDeleteWell without the 2nd rope elbow to the head the Sharpshooter makes no sense!
ReplyDeleteI like how Bret goes on about Metzler not knowing what he was talking about because he thought Flair was carrying Bret to great matches, and then spending the rest of the book citing every compliment Metzler gave him.
ReplyDeleteBut a lot of Flair's matches were like a Tom Petty show, no deep cuts just the classics. Flair flop, figure four spot, Going to the top rope and getting slammed.
ReplyDeleteEveryone gives Hart shit for his 5 moves of doom but realistically his matches made more sense than Flair's.
Hi pot. I'm kettle. You're black.
ReplyDeleteOr his temper tantrum in the Diesel IYH match. I watched it on mute while listening to an album one time, and I couldn't help noticing how pissy both Michaels and Nash acted toward Vince. With Michaels throwing a fit when the leg spot came up. I wouldn't be surprised if the match was supposed to end after the fake leg shot.
ReplyDeleteNo, because flair just threw shot against the wall to see what worked. So he would just keep going with whatever trick he had until the match got over. Which is why Bret hated his psychology. Because he wasn't telling a story, he was just trying to work the crowd
ReplyDeleteRegal has such a stupid argument. Most ppv matches are worked out at house shows before the big match...is that cheating? No
ReplyDeleteYup. Flair was more formulaic, I'd argue. Bret had his trademark moves, but the structure of the matches was usually mixed up pretty well. And he came up with plenty of innovative spots.
ReplyDeleteWhere did Shawn say this? During his hatred 96-99 phase? I don't see that in his book
ReplyDeleteVader match
ReplyDeleteI honestly never cared for any of regal's matched. Loved his persona tho
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you
ReplyDeleteYeah, he was one of those "he's technically good & all, but his matches are boring as all fuck" types.
ReplyDeleteHe said it when he was talking about Bret working with Nash. He talked about how Nash is creative and needed to do different things in a match but his Bret's inflexibility and selfishness kept him from doing it.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Regal isn't correct in his argument (Although, I don't think he's wrong, either. It's a matter of opinion.), but the amount of money drawn is rather irrelevant to the point.
ReplyDeleteI like how you spell Meltzer.
ReplyDeleteFlair, with tear in his eye: "no no no, pull my tights down, and let me hump the turnbuckle."
ReplyDeleteFTFY
I think whether or not a guy draws money is based way more on his character/gimmick and popularity than the quality of his matches.
ReplyDeleteThe hip-hop comparison is a great one. The fact (rumor?) that Biggie never wrote any lyrics and did everything on the spot definitely adds to his legacy and place in the game. Since the worst thing a rapper can have revealed is that somebody else wrote their lyrics, which I guess is the wrestling equivalent of having a superior worker "carry" you to a decent match.
ReplyDeleteI really miss the battle rap version of John Cena. He was such a natural for it and was entertaining. He's just so bland now.
ReplyDeleteI honestly wish Vince would take that attitude some more now. Maybe some of the mid carders would develop a personality if the writers weren't writing everything for them.
ReplyDeleteI really wish Eddie Gilbert had made it; he would've been something special.
ReplyDeleteI usually call it in the ring, so to speak, when I do a stand-up set, but if I have to do a longer one, I may plan it out.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time, how many bad Randy Savage matches can you think of? His planning usually led to a great match.
ReplyDeleteWould've been fucking hilarious if all of a sudden Avalanche claimed it was him doing the attacks.
ReplyDeleteHe worked quite a few TV tapings, (September through early December) so it wasn't like he was a blink and miss it guy.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, but if you ask around today, you'd find that supposedly back then EVERYONE knew he was going to be a megastar--Jake Roberts, Bret Hart, Ted DiBiase, Marc Mero, Pat Patterson...
ReplyDeleteI almost always wing it at open mics because I think it's good practice, but if I'm doing more than 7 minutes I'll try to map out what I think I want to do. I don't take notes up with me, but just writing out a set beforehand gives me a good idea of which bits I definitely want to include.
ReplyDeleteI got cocky at a comedy festival a couple months ago and tried putting together a 10 minute set on the fly and wound up doing a terrible bit that I never wanted to do again just because it was what came to me in the moment. Then I did the exact same thing in my second set. It sucked, hearing myself start this terrible joke and knowing that I'm now bound to waste the next minute finishing it.
Exactly. Same can be said for DDP as well. And wasn't Michaels known for planning as well?
ReplyDeleteWhole thing is a work anyhow so if a guy is at his best planning everything then it's not going to affect my opinion one bit.
Exactly. Isn't it like Bret said when you've seen one Flair match you've seen them all? Flair as you said had a formula, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't act all high and mighty.
ReplyDeleteExactly it doesn't mean shit now, but in 1995 that table spot at survivor series 1995 was pretty innovative for the time I'd say.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes ECW, but I and many other didn't get ECW.
I wonder if their realization that both are a bit hypocritical plus the realization that there are more important things in life since having close family die, is what led to there being back on okay terms.
ReplyDeleteWrestlers are just such a funny bunch when you think about it.
No love at all for those TV matches with the child killer and CM Punk?
ReplyDeleteHow ironic that Sting shows up to Starrcade 1997 slightly out of shape and Hogan acts like it was the biggest betrayal in wrestling history. His pal Brutus isn't in shape for Starrcade 1994 and Hogan didn't say boo.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Savage drew a lot of money while he was planning everything beforehand, but it's not like he drew money because he planned everything out.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I give credit to guys like Savage and DDP and anyone else to who this applies. If you realize you aren't very good at one way of doing this, try a different way.
Hart could be an ass sometimes, couldn't he?
ReplyDeleteWhen you're on the booking committee, as many as you want.
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